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Hackers and goldsellers own this game ?

SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916

I have been enjoying AA immensely, but lately the continuous stream of hacking and exploiting reports is getting me down a bit.

 

Of course, AA is an absolute magnet for cheaters, exploiters and hackers:

  1. It's a heavily PVP-based game, which automatically means loads of cheating in any way, shape or form
  2. Non-instanced land ownership with land changing hands for large sums of ingame and/or real cash
  3. Cash Shop that allows items purchased with real money to be sold ingame for gold
  4. Game subscription with associated benefits can be paid for with ingame gold

 

The problem with AA appears to be that it was written to be played primarily by a Korean audience. That means that the majority of players are not playing via their own PC's, but in internet game "cafes" (PC bang). Player accounts are also linked to their social security numbers, so a ban for cheating or violating ToS is a very serious matter, regardless whether the game is F2P or not. Hence the need for security and anti-cheat mechanisms in the game code are greatly reduced.

 

However, outside of Korea this lack of security and countermeasures means the game is literally going to be torn to pieces between the individual players that want to cheat and the goldselling companies that want to make money from the game. 

 

It is very likely that XLGames won't make a huge effort to solve these security issues unless they have a significant impact on the Korean market, because the additional cost and risk associated with large core changes are simply not worth it.

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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    Don't kid yourself, Majority of the land issues stems from gold farmers snatching up land and selling them ingame for outrageous prices. This problem could be easily solved if trion or xlgames had a cap on land ownership, but that would make too much sense.
    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • asdarasdar Member UncommonPosts: 662

    I don't think either Hackers or gold sellers are a problem.

    The gold sellers are there, but only in the main faction chat. Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway. You still have to get the gear and then fight.

    If you're looking for problems then I think you'll find the problems, but if you're not you won't.

    Asdar

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by asdar

    I don't think either Hackers or gold sellers are a problem.

    The gold sellers are there, but only in the main faction chat. Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway. You still have to get the gear and then fight.

    If you're looking for problems then I think you'll find the problems, but if you're not you won't.

    "Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway"

     

    Quite correct !

    All you can do with gold in AA is:

    • Pay your patron subscription
    • Buy labour potions on the AH to increase your crafting capacity
    • Buy rare items (e.g. thunderstruck trees/logs) on the AH
    • Buy tax certificates on the AH so that you can maintain multiple pieces of land without affecting your labour points
    • Buy more plots of land
    • Buy blueprints of items that cost 250+ gilda stars
    • Buy top quality rare procced crafted items
    • and so on and so on...

     

    Gold is power in AA. 

     

    The goldsellers know it and the players know it. That's why hacking and botting is so rife.

  • asdarasdar Member UncommonPosts: 662


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by asdar I don't think either Hackers or gold sellers are a problem. The gold sellers are there, but only in the main faction chat. Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway. You still have to get the gear and then fight. If you're looking for problems then I think you'll find the problems, but if you're not you won't.
    "Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway"

     

    Quite correct !

    All you can do with gold in AA is:

    • Pay your patron subscription
    • Buy labour potions on the AH to increase your crafting capacity
    • Buy rare items (e.g. thunderstruck trees/logs) on the AH
    • Buy tax certificates on the AH so that you can maintain multiple pieces of land without affecting your labour points Buy more plots of land Buy blueprints of items that cost 250+ gilda stars Buy top quality rare procced crafted items and so on and so on...
     

    Gold is power in AA. 

     

    The goldsellers know it and the players know it. That's why hacking and botting is so rife.


    ...and you can pay for all of that and still lose every 1 vs 1 fight you enter. You can't buy the skill and the gear only means so much. It doesn't ruin the game unless you choose to make excuses for why you're not King.

    The gold buying is not in your face, a typical person never sees any of it.

    On the server I'm on is one huge guild with 500+ players, they don't have to buy gold to dominate, they can just zerg it. I have a larger problem with zerg than I do with any gold buyers.

    If I'd ever seen a hacker then I'd think it could be a problem, but I've never seen one. I'm sure they're out there because they seem to be in every game.

    Asdar

  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977

    The only reason people can buy stuff with in-game gold on the AH is because of fellow players, not bots.  You have a bunch of gilda stars and don't need them, you sell them on the AH.  You have a bunch of materials but don't need them, you sell them on the AH.  You have a bunch of credits but don't need them, you purchase some items from the cash shop then sell them on the AH.  

    I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS.  IT'S THEIR STUFF, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT!

    It's all part of the game.  

    Don't like it, find another game. No one is holding a gun to your head, other than yourself. 

     

    Honestly, the gazillionth thread stating the obvious that has been obvious since it was released in Korea over 2 years ago.  The game isn't going to be any different.  

     

    In the voice of Gomer Pyle... "Surprise... Surprise!"

  • babacbabac Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily. 
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910
    Originally posted by babac
    Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily. 

     

    That seems a little backwards in a FFA/Full Loot Sandbox game.

     

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689
    Originally posted by lizardbones
    Originally posted by babac
    Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily. 

     

    That seems a little backwards in a FFA/Full Loot Sandbox game.

     

    Archeage isn' full loot.

     

    But yes, gear-based power in an open-world PvP game is a very VERY bad thing, as shown by Archeage in other regions where the gear difference has only grown over time.

  • EveIsStillBetterEveIsStillBetter Member Posts: 18
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming
  • Bad.dogBad.dog Member UncommonPosts: 1,131
    Originally posted by EveIsStillBetter
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming

    Makes me wonder where you go to find all these negative reviews ....I see more negative reviews here at mmorpg  by folks that don't even play the game then all the other sites put together .

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Member UncommonPosts: 1,131
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    Originally posted by lizardbones
    Originally posted by babac
    Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily. 

     

    That seems a little backwards in a FFA/Full Loot Sandbox game.

     

    Archeage isn' full loot.

     

    But yes, gear-based power in an open-world PvP game is a very VERY bad thing, as shown by Archeage in other regions where the gear difference has only grown over time.

    I can't quite follow this train of thought ....in other posts folks are telling us the grind is to difficult to make anything of value yet here you are saying the gear difference has only grown over time and is a Very bad thing ,, I'm not sure which group thought to follow but it appears the folks that have a bone to pick with AA don't like it because you can't craft best gear in game or because you can craft best gear in game ?

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by DMKano

    I own this game - and am neither a hacker or gold seller.

    Then do something about the hackers and gold sellers

  • cheeseheadscheeseheads Member UncommonPosts: 73
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by EveIsStillBetter
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming

     

    ArcheAge is positively reviewed on metacritic. Trion didn't make the game either, as far as a single company ruining online gaming - lol

    just checked metacritic and it shows 3.7  not real high

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by Bad.dogI can't quite follow this train of thought ....in other posts folks are telling us the grind is to difficult to make anything of value yet here you are saying the gear difference has only grown over time and is a Very bad thing ,, I'm not sure which group thought to follow but it appears the folks that have a bone to pick with AA don't like it because you can't craft best gear in game or because you can craft best gear in game ?

    No wonder you are confused when you put into peoples mouth they never said... Your own words make no sense, huh? Not suprising though...

  • ThestrainThestrain Member CommonPosts: 390
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by EveIsStillBetter
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming

     

    ArcheAge is positively reviewed on metacritic. Trion didn't make the game either, as far as a single company ruining online gaming - lol

    Heh.. so metacritic matters only when AA is in question? otherwise who takes it seriously right?

    2 critics reviewed it positive (yes just two) while user reviews scores it at 3.7 which is utterly bad.

  • Bad.dogBad.dog Member UncommonPosts: 1,131
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Bad.dog

     

    I can't quite follow this train of thought ....in other posts folks are telling us the grind is to difficult to make anything of value yet here you are saying the gear difference has only grown over time and is a Very bad thing ,, I'm not sure which group thought to follow but it appears the folks that have a bone to pick with AA don't like it because you can't craft best gear in game or because you can craft best gear in game ?


     

    No wonder you are confused when you put into peoples mouth they never said... Your own words make no sense, huh? Not suprising though...

    I'm sorry I don't have the same agenda as you ..... I find my time too valuable to make multi negative post about any game, particularly on a game I don't play.

  • ThestrainThestrain Member CommonPosts: 390
    Originally posted by Bad.dog
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by Bad.dog

     

    I can't quite follow this train of thought ....in other posts folks are telling us the grind is to difficult to make anything of value yet here you are saying the gear difference has only grown over time and is a Very bad thing ,, I'm not sure which group thought to follow but it appears the folks that have a bone to pick with AA don't like it because you can't craft best gear in game or because you can craft best gear in game ?


     

    No wonder you are confused when you put into peoples mouth they never said... Your own words make no sense, huh? Not suprising though...

    I'm sorry I don't have the same agenda as you ..... I find my time too valuable to make multi negative post about any game, particularly on a game I don't play.

    And how making multi white knight posts saves your valuable time?  image

  • CallidorCallidor Member Posts: 371
    Originally posted by DMKano

    I own this game - and am neither a hacker or gold seller.

    Your rabid defense of the game leads me to believe it owns you. Just sayin. No matter what valid argument anyonemay have, there will soon be an apologist there to try and prove you wrong. 

    If you add up all the negative responses posted on MMORPG, and then all the positive ones, there will most likely be a HUGE discrepancy that favors the negative.

    You arent a Jedi, you cannot force other people to change their opinions with sheer willpower.

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  • XssivXssiv Member UncommonPosts: 359

    It's becoming quite clear that a truly player driven economy in a AAA MMO simply isn't possible these days.

     

    It's also clear (based on other AA posts) that a good portion of the MMO community is not ready for the freedom that a sandbox game offers.

     

    Within a couple of months, people will be begging for restrictive themepark mechanics again.   

  • CallidorCallidor Member Posts: 371
    Originally posted by Xssiv

    It's becoming quite clear that a truly player driven economy in a AAA MMO simply isn't possible these days.

     

    It's also clear (based on other AA posts) that a good portion of the MMO community is not ready for the freedom that a sandbox game offers.

     

    Within a couple of months, people will be begging for restrictive themepark mechanics again.   

    seems like to me its not about being ready for the freedom of sandboxes. It looks to me like people arent ready for bots, hackers, 3rd party programs to unfairty get land, Trion sanctioned player harassment, unacceptable queue times, computer wrecking issues with the game itself, and elitist attitude from land owners. Id go on, but AA has so many problems to list that I would succumb to carpal tunnel before finishing the list.

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  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144
    Originally posted by Xssiv

    It's becoming quite clear that a truly player driven economy in a AAA MMO simply isn't possible these days.

     

    It's also clear (based on other AA posts) that a good portion of the MMO community is not ready for the freedom that a sandbox game offers.

     

    Within a couple of months, people will be begging for restrictive themepark mechanics again.   

     

    In your universe EvE does not exist?     

     

    If you stated it isn't possible with a cash shop based game, then I might agree to this.  However,  I don't think developers have fully explored this payment model yet, but it still stands that they have failed for the last 14 years.

  • CallidorCallidor Member Posts: 371
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Thestrain
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by EveIsStillBetter
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming

     

    ArcheAge is positively reviewed on metacritic. Trion didn't make the game either, as far as a single company ruining online gaming - lol

    Heh.. so metacritic matters only when AA is in question? otherwise who takes it seriously right?

    2 critics reviewed it positive (yes just two) while user reviews scores it at 3.7 which is utterly bad.

    User reviews on metacritic - lol

    Also lets wait til more reviews roll in - I bet you they will be above 3.7

     

    You bet do you? so from one of your earlier posts you bust on someone for saying something negative in future context saying they counldnt possibly know the future. But hey you do? /cough

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  • ThestrainThestrain Member CommonPosts: 390
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Thestrain
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by EveIsStillBetter
    this game is terrible, nothing but negative reviews everywhere I go.  Trion is a company out to make money pure and simple, they dont listen to their gaming community , every game they offer sucks,  stop supporting greedy companys that ruin online mmo pc gaming

     

    ArcheAge is positively reviewed on metacritic. Trion didn't make the game either, as far as a single company ruining online gaming - lol

    Heh.. so metacritic matters only when AA is in question? otherwise who takes it seriously right?

    2 critics reviewed it positive (yes just two) while user reviews scores it at 3.7 which is utterly bad.

    User reviews on metacritic - lol

    Also lets wait til more reviews roll in - I bet you they will be above 3.7

     

    Not a chance until you plan to make thousands of multiple accounts to vote on metacrtic. But i like how suddenly metacrticis becomes so relevant for 'critics' reviews or otherwise. image

  • CallidorCallidor Member Posts: 371
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Callidor
    Originally posted by Xssiv

    It's becoming quite clear that a truly player driven economy in a AAA MMO simply isn't possible these days.

     

    It's also clear (based on other AA posts) that a good portion of the MMO community is not ready for the freedom that a sandbox game offers.

     

    Within a couple of months, people will be begging for restrictive themepark mechanics again.   

    seems like to me its not about being ready for the freedom of sandboxes. It looks to me like people arent ready for bots, hackers, 3rd party programs to unfairty get land, Trion sanctioned player harassment, unacceptable queue times, computer wrecking issues with the game itself, and elitist attitude from land owners. Id go on, but AA has so many problems to list that I would succumb to carpal tunnel before finishing the list.

    Bots - imagine that - a newly released game in the west that has bots /shocking

    Hackers - again - hackers in are a minority and exist in every MMO

    3rd party programs - again how many use it in Archeage - 0.5%??

    "Trion sanctions player harassment" - can you make more stuff up? Trion (nor any game company) does NOT sanction player harassment - make a RL threat and see how fast you get banned from any Trion game - no game company sanctions harassment. Get real. Player collision mechanics are not harassment - grow a pair, it's easy to aviod. Someone puts a cart on your farm - just leave and come back in 15min. Easy.

    Unacceptable queue times - where?? what queues? You mean launch week?  Also where are the guidelines for what is "acceptable"

    Computer wrecking issues with the game itself - Zero problems here - again what % of players are having computer problems and how does it relate to ArcheAge?

    Elitist attitude from land owners - overgeneralize much - as in every land owner is elitist? lol

     

    Your entire post is conjecture

     

     

    Just like your entire post is a PR spin apologist letter. So theres that. Frankly "well every other game"

     doesnt fly with me.  Its an apologist cop out. Oh well its launch week so queues......they knew exactly how many founders packs sold, you cant tell me they had no idea this was going to happen, another apologist excuse.

    You can stick your head in the dirt all you want, do me a favor, go and count every negative article posted on here about AA ,then find every positive, and tell me, really tell me who wins for the most posts.

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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247

     

    Same posts/rants every game on these forums. On these boards, the first three months AT LEAST of any new MMO is posts like the OPs. As someone else said, if you're looking for problems you'll find problems. 

    I'm currently enjoying the game, so I'll see y'all sometime in December.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

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