Home › Game Forums › ArcheAge
Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
Why I'm Glad I Don't Listen to People On MMORPG.com
This discussion has been closed.
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Comments
So, still no actual response to the original point made?
ok.
It was repeated simply because it was part of the original point that you ignored and very relevant to the attitude that's displayed by stated it's an 'ok' approach to take. So, yes, relevant, in order, and on topic.
I am glad that's cleared up.
ok, let us try one more time and see if you are brave enough to engage on the actual point... To recap;
I called you out on your hypocrisy regarding your 'policy' of it being ok to dismiss a player's positive opinion on the basis of it being in the first month, the 'honeymoon', but you seemingly being fine with taking a hater's opinion at face value based on 2 hours or whatever play.
I suggested it was double standards to do this and that it potentially valued the sneeringly cynical and negative over all else.
Anything to say about that?
First of all, before I can respond to your question, I need to be on the same page. So, which hater's opinion based on 2 hours or whatever play that I took at face value are you talking about? As well as where I actually took it at face value, too. Since I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about, here.
Archeage is a great game, but the execution is terrible. It represents itself as a Sandbox, but it anything from the truth. Archeage is a gold grind game, nothing more and nothing less. To do anything in the game you need gold. To make matters worse, the game is over-run with hackers, cheaters, exploiters all contributing to making sure that the amount of gold you need to do these things is extremely high.
Want a farm? Need 500+ gold.
Want a ship? You need a farm for that. 500+ gold.
What to craft? You need a farm for that. 500+ gold
Want to fish? You need a farm for that. 500+gold
You have 2 options. Grind gold to get that farm or join guild and leech off their land. Welcome to "Sandbox".
5) People that don't like PvP games.
6) People that don't like F2P games with P2W options.
7) People that played the subscription only version of the game, like me.
8) People that don't find it fun.
9) People that know it isn't a new game and thus shouldn't have the release flaws of one that is actually new.
10) People that don't like everything, just because its new.
The world is more diverse than you want to believe.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Honestly I think advertising itself as a sandbox is a bit laughable, but you have a few options out there like Wurm Online and uh Minecraft?
I'm not exactly sure what to classify it as, but hopefully the PvP will be the meat and potatoes of the game, and I honestly don't know but I hope there is some type of dungeon or raiding in the game.
--------------------------
Playing:
FFXIV, TERA, LoL, and HoTS
My Rig:
GPU: GeForce GTX 770, CPU: i7-4790K, Memory: 16 GB RAM
AA is not a sandbox, its a Themebox. A sandbox inside a themepark and the F2P conversion made into more themepark than sandbox.
Farms, boats and whatnot are end game goals but like most themepark players they want it now now now so force themselves to grind money to get it all quickly. There is a reason why it takes so many points to increase a skill like gathering, farming, mining...its supposed to take a long time.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
These things are intrinsic to a sandbox, as it's players who drive the costs of such things. SWG was in most respects a credit grind game, as credits are what were needed to more or less advance your elder game abilities. Eve isn't much removed from such a premise either.
Not to say one way or the other on AA's standing as a sandbox. It's just not such a premise that would detract from it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yes, absolutely. However, the problem in AA is 2 fold.
1. The ability to inject real money into a player economy undermines it.
2. The rampant hacking, botting and cheating.
Yes, I know all games have it. SWG was no exception. But the scale in AA is off the charts.
I think we'd like to see a visual aid...
Well in comparison bots were condoned in SWG, most guilds had dancer/doc buff bots, many crafters created shout bots to peddle wares in Mos eisley or some other hub. There was always a toon in plain sight doing some kind of bot grind.. There was also many duping or other cheats done ( over powered loot off imp npcs by typing /open on them being one widespread exploiting issue.) The major credit dupe that ruined the games economy early on being another.
THat kind of thing was really bad in SWG..
also SWG had all kinds of real money injected into it's economy, IGE and sites like it were huge back then.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm having the most fun that I've had in many years in ArcheAge. There is so much to do and strive for that I feel that I've only scratched the surface of the game. I'm a crafter at heart and this game has really met my expectations. Even my spouse who mostly a themepark guy loves this game. Each achievement is meaningful.....building my house, building my farm cart (lucky to get a thunderstruck on my 6th crop), acquiring gold, mastering a profession. I love that I have to plan my play sessions, manage my resources and can't do it all in a month or so.
With that said though, ArcheAge certainly has some serious growing pains as do most new releases. I'm a bit concerned that this game has been out for several years already and things are still in a rather rough state. I'm also a bit concerned about Trion's ability to affect changes. As a land owner, I'm comfortably set with my thatched farmhouse built and a small scarecrow farm. I can comfortably manage my labor points with the amount of land I own. I'm not sure I could recommend the game to a new player though....especially one that may be interested in owning land. My server is jam packed and it is disconcerting to see so much wasted space, houses grabbed up by the same folks and general inability to acquire land. As a new player, it would be incredibly rough and a tad bit depressing. We still have folks in my guild who aren't property owners and have been looking every day. There just isn't any easy way to acquire land. If you weren't in at headstart and grabbed your stuff, you are kinda SOL.
The game certainly isn't for anyone. I'm a casual player who loves a sandpark game. I can tend my farm, do some trade pack runs, explore a bit, socialize, fish, etc. I have so many goals in the game that it will be hard to get around to completing all of them. That is what keeps me playing for months if not years. If ArcheAge doesn't work out, I will look at other sandpark games coming down the line. ArcheAge has pretty much ruined themepark games for me and I'm not sure if I could play them at this point. I just hope that fun content is added at a good rate. I don't know much about XL and as I said, I'm uneasy with the XL/Trion alliance.
Hey, I'm sorry if you misunderstood my reasoning for writing the post. I just wanted to share that I am having an enjoyable time playing a game that many trashed on. As an attempt/encouragement perhaps to give some games a fair and honest try, in lieu of negative user posts. I know for me, with this and other games it is easy to initially write off a game based on an overwhelming number of negative comments. Maybe I'm alone and dumb for that idea, or maybe there are others like me. But once I marched through the tutuorial, kept an open mind, enjoyment set in. Is the community of gamers not for sharing our fun experiences? We play games for fun and just wanted to share my fun and opinion. So I hope I answered your "Why else would he have made this post?" question
I'm not sure what led you to believe I was seeking anyone's approval, I was just saying, "hey, give it a go! This and other "bashed" games and I hope you have fun!"
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
Daranar... Glad you judged the game by playing it.
What I do on this forum and any forum, when I read peoples reviews is this:
1. If anyone is praising a game and does not see/admit faults (fanboi) I will ignore.
2. If anyone is complaining about a game and does not see any good, I will also ignore.
So I only pay attention to people who admit a game has good/bad in it. To me they seem to be the ones with a more balanced/objective review of how a game is, but the final decision for me is when I try the game. That will be the point where I will either like or dislike it.
I do recall these issues in SWG, but not to the same scale. Maybe my memory is faulty or I was sheltered. Either way, it still doesn't make the situation any better now.
Also, wasnt' the botting in SWG only condoned if it was done using the game's macro system? I thought it was still bannable to use 3rd party software.
You simply cannot trust the OP or the few people left in the AA army. Look at any single person who is defending this game in this thread and then look at their post history. They have spent countless hours white knighting and apologizing for AA. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of complaints about this game, and its always the same handful of people that defend it. Im curious just how many hours this small group of people have spent trying to defend themselves against the horde of dislike that AA has earned.
You say dont listen to the haters, well most people are, and theyre not as emotionally invested as this small minority who rabidly defend it. I think most people just say their peace and walk away, and I trust them to be more objective than the people who spend their time defending the game more than actually playing it.
Seriously look up these posters and ask yourself "Is it normal behavior to invest that much time into damage control for a game that has nothing to do with you?"
Me personally, Trion burned me after 3 years of being a loyal customer, and tried to run off with my cash, so at least my stance has some merit as to why I spend a bit of time supporting the many people who have converted from fanboi to "hater".
Lets hear why this niche group so faithfully keeps pounding out posts like this.