OK, I gave it a 2nd chance

Bladestrom · November 2014

oh I'm very clear about the fact I have 0 respect for a company they earns 1 billion a year and gives nothing back. I also don't make up crap like 'no fixes made since release' I do have respect for a company however that is clearly working very hard to improve a game and is actually pumping out content. So yes il support ESO and rip into blizzard, deal with it.

Rollermint · November 2014

The whole post reeks of bullshit.

This is coming from someone who never even reach lvl 10 in ESO coz I realised its just not the game I was looking for.

Thestrain · November 2014

Originally posted by Bladestrom
oh I'm very clear about the fact I have 0 respect for a company they earns 1 billion a year and gives nothing back. I also don't make up crap like 'no fixes made since release' I do have respect for a company however that is clearly working very hard to improve a game and is actually pumping out content. So yes il support ESO and rip into blizzard, deal with it.

It has nothing to do with 'deal with it'. Just that the level of hypocricy and irony went through the roof.

Spankster77 · November 2014

Originally posted by Bladestrom
oh I'm very clear about the fact I have 0 respect for a company they earns 1 billion a year and gives nothing back. I also don't make up crap like 'no fixes made since release' I do have respect for a company however that is clearly working very hard to improve a game and is actually pumping out content. So yes il support ESO and rip into blizzard, deal with it.

Dude what exactly has Zen "given back"? Both WoW and ESO have a $14.99 a month sub fee, both release content on their schedules, etc.

I can't see what your beef is with Blizz if you're so elated about Zen??

Thestrain · November 2014

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Did it really, you should contact blizzard, they love people like you.. but ye back on topic eso hav indeed fixed a shit ton of bugs, it's pretty well accepted by those that actually play the game.

Yes indeed. All the way through the roof and now touching stratosphere.

By the way all companies love someone like me who spends money on their games so it is not just Blizzard.

Thestrain · November 2014

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Bladestrom · November 2014

Originally posted by Thestrain

Thanks for that.

I fell off my chair laughing since i clearly remember all your posts on wow section of this forum.

No, you are not commenting on the thread topic, you are poster about myself. No sense polluting this thread with our crap however.

Moar61 · November 2014

I've never had any issues with the ESO community, that's for sure. One of the most competitive guilds out there (can't remember their name anymore lol) picked me up as a healer and brought me through the ropes of the endgame content, and worked with me very patiently through the hardmode of Dragonstar, never losing their temper or being too cynical. Ultimately left the experience feeling grateful for such nice people. I understand we all have our different experiences though.

Also, there is very clearly intent to balance magicka/stam builds. Buffing stamina builds is one of their biggest goals in the upcoming updates.

Nothing to say on the character deleting limit. You can make 8 characters before you have to delete. Didn't even know this was a thing because it has never happened to me

I think it has more to do with the game not being for you than it does for the game being bad.

Bladestrom · November 2014

As I said that had nothing to do with this thread, and I stand by my comments that eso have I. Fact fixed bugs since release, and there is indeed very little foul behaviour in game chat. re the rest of your comments, whatever makes you happy.

Octagon7711 · November 2014

Right after beta people who created and deleted their first character lost their perks because it was only sent to the first character on your account, it caused a lot of problems.

I created a lot of characters because I like to run lots of alts to explore everything. And I know of crafters who created lots of characters just for the extra inventory space.

Never had a problem with other players in chat.

There updates haven't been all that great. Testers complained because untested updates are released and feedback on the tested ones has often gone ignored in an effort to just put it out there in time for the big announcements.

rojoArcueid · November 2014

i just bought a month of gametime a couple days ago and i am having more fun now than i did before (probably because all the bug fixes they have done, since the game has nothing new that i can see). But i am definitelly having fun with my vampire.

Right now there are two things i find really annoying in ESO:

1) People dont use the LFG so its hard to get a group to run dungeons (i dont waste time spamming chat with lfg)

2) Zenimax still havent fixed the frame skipping while jumping.... Its been there since the first closed beta they did. Its depressing to jump in ESO.

Other than that, im enjoying the questing related to Elder Scrolls

EDIT: i do experience lag and both skill and attack delay but it doesnt happen often. A few times per playthrough..... ive seen worse.

BailoPan15 · November 2014

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Did it really, you should contact blizzard, they love people like you.. but ye back on topic eso hav indeed fixed a shit ton of bugs, it's pretty well accepted by those that actually play the game.

I suppose the same can be said about every game with any amount of active players. They do play it because they accept it.

bcbully · November 2014

Originally posted by Octagon7711
Right after beta people who created and deleted their first character lost their perks because it was only sent to the first character on your account, it caused a lot of problems.

I created a lot of characters because I like to run lots of alts to explore everything. And I know of crafters who created lots of characters just for the extra inventory space.

Never had a problem with other players in chat.

There updates haven't been all that great. Testers complained because untested updates are released and feedback on the tested ones has often gone ignored in an effort to just put it out there in time for the big announcements.

I would tend to agree with you. Past patches have been buggy, Update 1,2 and 3 sure were. Update 4 was better. It almost seemed like they had their system down. The patch today has been just about perfect. This is the first time the forums haven't have been flooded with tech issues. I haven't heard of any in game.

Bladestrom · November 2014

Ye i think the game had big problems at release, probably because they rushed it a bit. The next big push looks really promising, and hopefully they keep going in the right direction.

R.Lima · November 2014

Originally posted by codejack
I bought the game back when it came out, and didn't even finish my free month; the game was that bad. But with so many people claiming that it has gotten better, I figured it was worth a few bucks to check it out, since I am such a fan of the ES franchise.

Spoiler: Nothing is fixed, and many things are worse.

The biggest problem by a country mile is the lack of any reason to group, at least before end game, and even that is an assumption since I never made it anywhere near end game. I did get spammed with guild invites almost constantly, but they were all new guilds that were also spamming zone chat for new members. Given the lack of group content and my disinterest in crafting, there was no reason to join a guild, either.

Instanced group dungeons, public dungeons, dolmens, and elite monsters most definitely are reasons to group up in PvE. Granted, DDO involves a lot more grouping than ESO, but they are very different games, with DDO focusing mostly on dungeon crawls with a party.

Next up, for me, anyway, was the character deletion limit. I am a character builder; my main game for the last several years has been DDO, and on my main server I have 18 characters that I am constantly reincarnating, changing, and tweaking, but only after I've rolled up a new character with that build to test it out for a few levels. The deletion limit makes this impossible, or at least such a long process that it would literally take me a month just to create a level 1 character that I had any desire to play. In retrospect, had I known about this, rather than resubbing, I would have just bought a whole new account, but even then, I would have run into this barrier quickly.

The purpose of the character deletion limit is to hinder and deal with gold spammers and botters. It's actually a well thought system, since most players don't normally go on a character deletion frenzy. Also, if you are assuming it would take 18 character deletions to get your character right, then the one month time frame is incorrect since the amount of times you can delete your character regenerates once every 24 hours.

But I still have my old main character, right? Wrong. Part of the reason I quit before was that I kept hitting walls in game; I have a 31 S&B/TWF Templar that has no quests available below level 35. A group might help, assuming that I can find someone who happens to be in the exact same predicament, but asking questions in game or on the forum is just asking to be flamed, which brings us to...

Unless you are deliberately skipping content, then I do not see how you are stuck with no quests to do. When I leveled my first character, I actually severely out-leveled most of the content since there was just so much to explore in the game world (I didn't even PvP). For instance, at level 30 I was still doing level 24-25 quests. Open the map, and do some exploration. I'm sure you'll find something.

The community. I've run into some negative communities in MMOs before, but I've never filled up my ignore list so fast in any game I have ever played, because not only would they mock me in zone chat, but they would barrage me with whispers telling me to just quit and go play something else. Asking questions on the forums brought on yet more flamers, which brought in the moderators, which effectively killed the thread.

Frankly, I prefer playing with my chatbox minimized, and I only open it up when I need to speak with someone near me, find a group, or try to buy/sell something. The times I do have chat activated though, it seemed like a normal MMO community, with a fair share of idiots along with a fair share of reasonable people.

Lag. Dear god almighty, the lag. I thought DDO had bad lag problems when one or two guild raids a week wiped due to lag, but I was getting lag-death 10 times an HOUR. I run a nice system, pushing 70 FPS on high settings with <50ms latency over VERY high speed Internet, but I would get wildly varying lag every 2-3 minutes that would last anywhere from 5 seconds to a minute and a half. I can still look around and move, and my FPS never drops, but when the lag ends, I teleport back to where I was, and if I was in the middle of a fight, unless the lag was very short, I would be dead.

I have not experienced that sort of lag. Perhaps do some troubleshooting. Seems like a connection issue, which I rarely experience. I do believe, however, that ESO needs to improve its performance in terms of FPS. While WoW is far less technically demanding and far less visually appealing, it runs super smoothly, and that just feels great.

Magicka/stamina builds are still not balanced, nor does it look like there is any intention to do so; the quests are all standard WoW-type garbage, suited only to the lowest common denominator; classes.... of course, that there are classes at all is an abomination in an ES game, but none of the class skill lines are at all interesting; new items make the graphics look even more cartoonish....

The developers have acknowledged the issue and are actively working on balancing stamina and magicka builds. The Guild Summit covers a lot of this if you would like to see what to expect in the near future.

I'm the kind of player that reads/listens to every single quest in every MMO, and I can tell you this: ESO has far better quests than WoW, for instance. The delivery, the plots, and the act of conversing all vastly improve the experience.

While I would have preferred a classless system, I still understand that the class-based system was ZeniMax Online's way of balancing the game (it is online, after all). Even so, I appreciate the fact that any given class can perform any given role, and the amount of customization offered is far more than your average MMO.

Discussing aesthetics is rather complicated, but I do believe the game does justice to its name. To me, it very much so looks like an Elder Scrolls game.

So, the question now, is: Does ESO deserve a 3rd chance? Someone feel free to get back to me if and when ZOS pulls their collective heads out of their ***es.

At its core, the game is what it is. There will be changes made and improvements implemented. Even so, whether or not the game "deserve[s] a 3rd chance" is entirely up to the player to judge. With trials coming up, I wager that won't be difficult to gauge.

Scorchien · November 2014

Strongly disagree with every single point the OP raises , And i wonder if he has an agenda ...

Belgaraath · November 2014

Originally posted by Scorchien
Strongly disagree with every single point the OP raises , And i wonder if he has an agenda ...

He is entitled to his opinion even though I pretty much disagree with EVERYTHING he wrote. I have no trouble finding group content, a guild is more than crafting (PVP, socializing, making friends, group runs for world bosses, etc), the delete thing he mentioned is ridiculously dramatic and hasn't crippled me at all (not to mention it was a smart decision with the bot issue that is now a thing of the past), the questing is top notch. The community for me has been the most helpful since the Landroval Server in LOTRO. Maybe he just has horrible social skills and thats why he gets negative reactions from folks?

BalianWolfie · November 2014

Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by codejack
Next up, for me, anyway, was the character deletion limit. I am a character builder; my main game for the last several years has been DDO, and on my main server I have 18 characters that I am constantly reincarnating, changing, and tweaking, but only after I've rolled up a new character with that build to test it out for a few levels. The deletion limit makes this impossible, or at least such a long process that it would literally take me a month just to create a level 1 character that I had any desire to play. In retrospect, had I known about this, rather than resubbing, I would have just bought a whole new account, but even then, I would have run into this barrier quickly.

Character Deletion limit?

i don't understand why ESO would do this ..

i test out new characters in the mmos i play and delete them often

Lol ok...? You have eight slots and three deletion and it generations rather fast.

You know, before you make some comment on some feature, you need to understand what it's for. Bot/spammer combat rings a bell?

Anyways, I am waiting for my flaming report, but yea, read that.

azzamasin · November 2014

Originally posted by Spankster77
I have also tried ESO many times and each time I am faced with the same reality, the game is missing something. While the voiceover quests are nice and the storyline is good I find the gameplay slow and it's really easy to miss questlines which will leave you under leveled without any idea how to rectify it.

This game would be worlds better if they made the combat a lot faster paced and they limited the voiceover quests to the main questline, I mean lets face it no one wants to spend 3 minutes getting a quest to collect meat for soup. The other thing they could do is allow for more skills on the action bar.

For me the combat is just so painstankingly slow. Which is a really big deal for Action Style reticule combat. IMO and this is my opinion if ESO had Neverwinter's combat it would be an amazing game.

mithrillion · November 2014

The community. I've run into some negative communities in MMOs before, but I've never filled up my ignore list so fast in any game I have ever played, because not only would they mock me in zone chat, but they would barrage me with whispers telling me to just quit and go play something else. Asking questions on the forums brought on yet more flamers, which brought in the moderators, which effectively killed the thread.

The community is the best I've seen since the more civilized half of EVE's community. It's one of the few recent games that you can expect the majority of random players to be friendly. People say XIV has a good community yet I still see loads of l33t players around. I've seen none in ESO.

The only reason people mock you or even private message you to quit is you have been bashing the game in public chat. People don't like individuals who does nothing other than spreading negativity.

The.agG · November 2014

Originally posted by ohioastro
What an odd post.

You didn't join any guilds, and didn't attempt any group things, and thus concluded from your experiment that there is ...nothing to do in a group.

The deletion limit - huh? People like you complain about things like bots and then get antagonized by even the mildest form of anti-bot design choices. There are only 4 classes and 3 alliances and 8 slots. This is not a huge burden.

Community - based on your posts here, I'm willing to bet that you spammed trash-talk about the game into general chat and antagonized people. Because when i ask for help with something, people come to help. When someone asks for advice they get it. ESO is &$*%)(% talk is unlikely to get a positive response in a sub game....

Your talk about quests and your talk about having no quests clues me in that you simply don't understand how to play the game. The quests have dialog, choices that impact the world that you see, and you are not led around by your nose from one to the other - you have to find them. There are always logical reasons why you're being asked to do things even if they fall into typical MMO tropes. In fact, they reminded me a lot of ES quests in general: it's one of the strongest points of the game for me.

If you're level 31 with 35+ quests you skipped a ton of them, and you didn't bother to do any social play whatsoever (e.g. even attempting to do something like a public dungeon solo). Hint: if you say "dolmen xxx up - anyone want to join" in chat, even in the VR zones, people come and help. If you see someone else in a delve or public dungeon you can run alongside them and help them out. And you...level up this way.

None of the class skills interesting? Huh? Did you try and combine the various weapon and class skills, with dodge + block + interrupt + light + heavy? I found some really fun combos by playing around.

Lag - turn off all addons and get back to us. I have practically none and there are not a lot of complaints on the forums about it. When this comes up occasionally in guild chat it is always someone using an obsolete add-on that plays poorly with some recent patch.

There have been classes in ES games before Skyrim and they mattered a lot.

Look - not your game, fine. If you'd like suggestions on how to have a more enjoyable game, glad to help.

Well said

The community of ESO is very good and the guilds i found were even better.

Orious · November 2014

It's probably the same thing plaguing the game at the start... Myself and a group of 10 friends didn't have very many issues at the beginning. Gold spammers sometimes, but we out leveled them and my friends level snail slow. Quests couldn't be completed about maybe 1 time per 2-3 zones. Unless it's an issue with today's patch, I've never experienced lag in the game except when all three factions are fighting at one keep in cyrodiil. I've been playing since the game launched.

The character deletion issue sucks I guess... I typically create 1 character after a bunch of research on skills to determine my playstyle. I really don't like alts. Still running with that same character too. 8 character slots completely filled is pretty crazy lol. You really only need 4 as classes are the only things that one character can't have them all. Trying new weapons out? Switch them on the current character.

I also have one level 35 ish character in the level 38+ zone, but that's because I breezed passed a lot of stuff to get skill points for crafting. My main character reached VR1 without even finishing the main quest line because you can level pretty fast in cyrodiil solo. I'd try that out if you haven't.

Most people still playing probably never experienced these issues. I don't know anyone that has, honestly.

Telondariel · November 2014

Originally posted by codejack
I bought the game back when it came out, and didn't even finish my free month; the game was that bad. But with so many people claiming that it has gotten better, I figured it was worth a few bucks to check it out, since I am such a fan of the ES franchise.

Spoiler: Nothing is fixed, and many things are worse.

I almost stopped reading there, because that statement is absurdly ridiculous. Anyone who has been playing the game, or even simply reading the patch notes, knows that you pulled that line from your nether regions.

The biggest problem by a country mile is the lack of any reason to group, at least before end game, and even that is an assumption since I never made it anywhere near end game. I did get spammed with guild invites almost constantly, but they were all new guilds that were also spamming zone chat for new members. Given the lack of group content and my disinterest in crafting, there was no reason to join a guild, either.

There are many group dungeons and content. Not joining a guild will cripple you if you ever want to trade, barter, or sell.

Next up, for me, anyway, was the character deletion limit. I am a character builder; my main game for the last several years has been DDO, and on my main server I have 18 characters that I am constantly reincarnating, changing, and tweaking, but only after I've rolled up a new character with that build to test it out for a few levels. The deletion limit makes this impossible, or at least such a long process that it would literally take me a month just to create a level 1 character that I had any desire to play. In retrospect, had I known about this, rather than resubbing, I would have just bought a whole new account, but even then, I would have run into this barrier quickly.

This has been answered fully in earlier posts.

But I still have my old main character, right? Wrong. Part of the reason I quit before was that I kept hitting walls in game; I have a 31 S&B/TWF Templar that has no quests available below level 35. A group might help, assuming that I can find someone who happens to be in the exact same predicament, but asking questions in game or on the forum is just asking to be flamed, which brings us to...

The community. I've run into some negative communities in MMOs before, but I've never filled up my ignore list so fast in any game I have ever played, because not only would they mock me in zone chat, but they would barrage me with whispers telling me to just quit and go play something else. Asking questions on the forums brought on yet more flamers, which brought in the moderators, which effectively killed the thread.

Weird. I've found the ESO community, in general, to be one of the best that I've come across since EQ, EQ2, or DAoC.

Lag. Dear god almighty, the lag. I thought DDO had bad lag problems when one or two guild raids a week wiped due to lag, but I was getting lag-death 10 times an HOUR. I run a nice system, pushing 70 FPS on high settings with <50ms latency over VERY high speed Internet, but I would get wildly varying lag every 2-3 minutes that would last anywhere from 5 seconds to a minute and a half. I can still look around and move, and my FPS never drops, but when the lag ends, I teleport back to where I was, and if I was in the middle of a fight, unless the lag was very short, I would be dead.

I don't have any lag issues whatsoever. /shrug

Magicka/stamina builds are still not balanced, nor does it look like there is any intention to do so; the quests are all standard WoW-type garbage, suited only to the lowest common denominator; classes.... of course, that there are classes at all is an abomination in an ES game, but none of the class skill lines are at all interesting; new items make the graphics look even more cartoonish....

I have yet to see a WoW-type quest in ESO. Cartoonish graphics? Sorry bud, this paragraph is just full of BS.

So, the question now, is: Does ESO deserve a 3rd chance? Someone feel free to get back to me if and when ZOS pulls their collective heads out of their ***es.

Honestly, it's not the game. It's you. I'm sure there are other communities that would nurture and foster your particular personality type, but ESO isn't the one. Good luck in your adventures.

AsalzSy · November 2014

Originally posted by Scorchien
Strongly disagree with every single point the OP raises , And i wonder if he has an agenda ...

It's obvious..just read the two front pages of the op's history..
Is really sad that more & more ppl moving to Reddit not only for Eso but for all games because of guys like him..this site will end up like mmosite at best..

Belgaraath · November 2014

Originally posted by Telondariel
Originally posted by codejack
I bought the game back when it came out, and didn't even finish my free month; the game was that bad. But with so many people claiming that it has gotten better, I figured it was worth a few bucks to check it out, since I am such a fan of the ES franchise.

Spoiler: Nothing is fixed, and many things are worse.

I almost stopped reading there, because that statement is absurdly ridiculous. Anyone who has been playing the game, or even simply reading the patch notes, knows that you pulled that line from your nether regions.

Honestly, it's not the game. It's you. I'm sure there are other communities that would nurture and foster your particular personality type, but ESO isn't the one. Good luck in your adventures.

Actually I recommend he plays DarkFall. That would be the appropriate community I think lol.

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