No doubt there will be millions of sales, me included, but Blizzard don't really deserve us because they now take us for granted. And mugs we are, like an abused wife that sticks around for more.
In the early days, when growing their subscriber base, they put in the effort. Now, we're taken for granted. Subs every month for no content and then we need to pay for content. Other games add content regularly and even those that you didn't have a sub for.
I'm at the edge on this one and although I have pre-ordered, my expectations are not as high as they were and my excitement for the game isn't either. The good thing is that unless Blizzard buck their ideas up and get the content flowing again, then this will be my last spend on their products - I need to be wooed again.
If we turn Ops logic around, 46% of the members on this site will buy WOD. Then add those, me included, that already have bought it.
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You are already included in the "will buy/play WoD on launch". It's a same thing. Won't make much difference if people buy the game a month, 3, 2, 1 week or 2 days after launch.
All the OP truly cares to know is who WILL NOT BE purchasing/playing WoD. The fact that there are those that are/have are not relevant.
To the OP, even if the poll said 100% no, Blizzard would still be selling at the very least 2.7 million copies. They're not losing any money on this.
Pepeq, the fact I've been part of and invested in the game for 9 years, with leveled characters, accumulated wealth, your logic of me caring about only those who will not be purchasing/playing the game Is completely flawed.
In fact I wouldn't care at all about the game and bothered to make a useful poll about it if your logic was correct. Finally, they might not be losing $ on this, but they will surely lose $ on me this time and apparently from a lot of other MMO players from here.
Originally posted by FrodoFragins That's a higher percentage than I'd expect considering you posted it in general on a site with lots of sandbox only fans.
Yes, it's good from you to say that the majority of this community prefers sandbox over themepark MMO's and obviously there is a very good reason why. That doesn't mean the fact those who prefer sandboxes (included me) cannot enjoy a well done themepark MMO.
I recall vividly how hyped this community was for SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 as well. So, I have to disagree with you. This community is about all MMO players (who love MMO's sandbox or themeparks) and they made their votes.
The community has voted. The minority will be playing WOW:WoD next week, 46%. I'm very interested to hear the majority and their top reason why they won't be involved with WOW:WoD. For me it's the cost. The value is not worth what I'll be receiving in return from WOW:WoD.
I would've been persuaded and took WOW:WoD seriously again, playing it hopefully for at least a year if the expansion fee was removed and the sub cost me $10 a month top ($15 if I was not left without content for half the expansion period, which is year+ in this case). For me this is still more than what I'm paying for any other game at the moment, and only cuz it's WOW. Otherwise $5 monthly would be the top I would pay for every other MMO that is on the market atm.
If I choose to play WOW:WoD right now for at least the next 4 months would cost me at least 3x more than that. $50 exp + $60 for 4 months = $110 = $27.5 USD, with the fall of the CAD $ that's $31.
The community has voted. The minority will be playing WOW:WoD next week, 46%. I'm very interested to hear the majority and their top reason why they won't be involved with WOW:WoD. For me it's the cost. The value is not worth what I'll be receiving in return from WOW:WoD.
I would've been persuaded and took WOW:WoD seriously again, playing it hopefully for at least a year if the expansion fee was removed and the sub cost me $10 a month top ($15 if I was not left without content for half the expansion period, which is year+ in this case). For me this is still more than what I'm paying for any other game at the moment, and only cuz it's WOW. Otherwise $5 monthly would be the top I would pay for every other MMO that is on the market atm.
If I choose to play WOW:WoD right now for at least the next 4 months would cost me at least 3x more than that. $50 exp + $60 for 4 months = $110 = $27.5 USD, with the fall of the CAD $ that's $31.
No, the community hasn't spoken. You didn't give all the options. If you look at the thread, you'll see some of us preordered so we didn't vote due to a poorly constructed poll. If you'd like us to add our vote to the "buying" category, we can go ahead and do that for you
Not everybody played WOW for 24/7 in the last few years... Some people, like myself, play it a few months here, a few months there... And end up buying the expansions, one here, one there... So, even people that might not buy it NOW or that may not have preordered it, might still end up buying when that time of the gaming cycle dictates that one goes a few months again into WOW.... That's one of the things nowadays. Most people don't loose themselves inside a game for years to pass... Instead they switch in between a variety of games, trying to keep things fresh and fun for them (specially people that are not in the teen-age anymore and have less time to spend and can't really be a hardcore at one single game).
With this i just mean that, although i am undecided, eventually I might go there, and give them a few bucks to have a few months of fun and stuff... That is what gives them profit? Dunno, but it's a LOT better than games that have a huge BANG at launch and then die rapidly. WOW has its issues, but, hey, its been 10 years, and for most people that play it, either hardcore or casually, it still provides several hours of fun... And isn't that the whole purpose of gaming? Fun?
What about a poll regarding how many more threads the OP can make about why WoW won't be getting his money anymore and laying out the dollars involved. You act like WoW has really wronged you in some way.
Originally posted by Oberholzer What about a poll regarding how many more threads the OP can make about why WoW won't be getting his money anymore and laying out the dollars involved. You act like WoW has really wronged you in some way.
If WOW has wronged me I would've not been posting a single msg related to it. I would just let it die like every other MMO in the past I've lost interest about. If all, on the contrary World of Warcraft will benefit the most if it read forums like these from it's playerbase, something known as "feedback" to attract that 54% of the current MMO market it's failing to attract as well as create a new market with its innovations and quality.
IMO, Blizzard should've scrapped a lot of unnecessary things to further lower the cost of their product. Price plays significant role in consumers decision with everything in life and it's why the cheaper product will always be sold faster. Computer hardware, clothes, houses, cars list goes on and on...
I know when I bought MOP I didn't even raid. I just did the PvP and I was content. There are so many things I didn't touch from that game that I'm sure majority has not as well. Maeby Blizzard can allow more control for the player to decide what to unlock in the game through their cash shop. So, those who prefer to PvP or PvE only will be still spending $ on the game but far less. Things like these is where competition is shown and Blizzard is failing to see this.
They got...Challenges, Scenarios, Garrisons...eh I never did much pet battles when MOP came. Bottom line is, 2014 has A LOT more cheaper options than WOW for the gamer. So, I'm sure if I made more threads like you want me to Oberholzer we would find out exactly the main, top reason why 54% of this community won't be playing WOW;WoD on launch.
No sir, that is not correct! Your statement with 54 % for this community isnt correct.
118 persons that have answered your poll will not play, 38 %.
139 persons have answered that they will play and 50 persons have not decided yet.
Undecided = won't be playing ON LAUNCH (which is in few days), so no difference. Poll is accurate, 54% won't be playing on launch either because they are still undecided or because they've decided not to play already, bottom line. So, yes sir it's correct imo.
No sir, that is not correct! Your statement with 54 % for this community isnt correct.
118 persons that have answered your poll will not play, 38 %.
139 persons have answered that they will play and 50 persons have not decided yet.
Undecided = won't be playing ON LAUNCH (which is in few days), so no difference. Poll is accurate, 54% won't be playing on launch either because they are still undecided or because they've decided not to play already, bottom line. So, yes sir it's correct imo.
I really wish I had your brain and your calculator. Its almost as E=m*c2 is understandable now.
2 903 939 members = 311 persons that answered this important poll, and 54 % of them have decided, or maybe not decided, that they will NOT play or maybe they will, if they make up their minds. But anyhow 54% of these have made up their minds, or maybe not yet, that WOD isnt their cup of tea or mass or energy or something.
Of course I am going to. It has the most content and is the most polished game of it's type. High entertainment value for very little money.
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Probably because it's been out a decade?
So what?
WOW has BY FAR more content than any other theme park mmo, for the same monthly subscription. Other gaming companies better start realizing you're not going to compete with WOW by cloning it then only adding a fraction of the content or by ignoring most of your potential customers by forgetting to add casual content.
Even with having to buy expansions, WOW is the best bang for your buck.
I have not decided yet upon WoW:WoD, but am leaning towards not purchasing it. I stopped playing as a subscriber long ago, but I do go back to play as free-to-play time to time. I still enjoy WoW in spurts, & occasionally when Blizzard gifts me some free play time I really appreciate playing on my old account.
I have all 5 previous Collector's Editions & the collector in me wants this one too, but since I do not play as a subscriber anymore & cannot reason why they jacked-up the CE another $10 I think it would be wasted money.
Subscribing again seems like it could be too much of a disparity between beginning from scratch, for myself & any brand new players, compared to the enduring current players. WoW is vast with content & still a good game, but there are more & more good free to play games nowadays too.
Once I read about the Robin Williams memorial being released with WoD & if done respectfully I'll subscribe for 1 month just to give the deserved kudos to his memory & Blizzard for honoring him.
Of course I am going to. It has the most content and is the most polished game of it's type. High entertainment value for very little money.
edit: This is my opinion!
Probably because it's been out a decade?
So what?
WOW has BY FAR more content than any other theme park mmo, for the same monthly subscription. Other gaming companies better start realizing you're not going to compete with WOW by cloning it then only adding a fraction of the content or by ignoring most of your potential customers by forgetting to add casual content.
Even with having to buy expansions, WOW is the best bang for your buck.
I have been saying this for quite some time now. WoW should be the benchmark other new games base a sub fee off of. You can't start a new title and pay the same as another that has so much more to do. Especially with the unpolished titles that have recently released.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I have not decided yet upon WoW:WoD, but am leaning towards not purchasing it. I stopped playing as a subscriber long ago, but I do go back to play as free-to-play time to time. I still enjoy WoW in spurts, & occasionally when Blizzard gifts me some free play time I really appreciate playing on my old account.
I have all 5 previous Collector's Editions & the collector in me wants this one too, but since I do not play as a subscriber anymore & cannot reason why they jacked-up the CE another $10 I think it would be wasted money.
Subscribing again seems like it could be too much of a disparity between beginning from scratch, for myself & any brand new players, compared to the enduring current players. WoW is vast with content & still a good game, but there are more & more good free to play games nowadays too.
Once I read about the Robin Williams memorial being released with WoD & if done respectfully I'll subscribe for 1 month just to give the deserved kudos to his memory & Blizzard for honoring him.
Salute!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Throw in all the little new systems and WoW is the same game as it has been for a decade. Lvling is meaningless and dull. Get to max level, grind reputations, a bit of dungeon running, and grind out raids/pvp for best gear. Rinse, repeat...look back at every expansion in the last 10 years and its the same. Garrisons won't change this.
I left WoW after we downed Ragnaros in cataclysm. GW2 was for for 1.5-2 years...bounced around the likes of Neverwinter and warframe...playing a bit longer in Diablo 3. Picked up ESO and im absolutely loving it there.
The more things change in WoW, the more they stay the same.
I already got it a while back, so I guess I'm going to give it a go. I skipped Cata and Panda rainbow Expansion, so am hoping it will seem a little fresh when i return. I don't have high hopes.
I imagine I'll do the 90-100 grind, do some raiding and get bored. 1-2 months play time, tops. It will at least keep me pre-occupied till 2015 rolls around and I can start looking forward to new horizons.
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No doubt there will be millions of sales, me included, but Blizzard don't really deserve us because they now take us for granted. And mugs we are, like an abused wife that sticks around for more.
In the early days, when growing their subscriber base, they put in the effort. Now, we're taken for granted. Subs every month for no content and then we need to pay for content. Other games add content regularly and even those that you didn't have a sub for.
I'm at the edge on this one and although I have pre-ordered, my expectations are not as high as they were and my excitement for the game isn't either. The good thing is that unless Blizzard buck their ideas up and get the content flowing again, then this will be my last spend on their products - I need to be wooed again.
If we turn Ops logic around, 46% of the members on this site will buy WOD. Then add those, me included, that already have bought it.
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You are already included in the "will buy/play WoD on launch". It's a same thing. Won't make much difference if people buy the game a month, 3, 2, 1 week or 2 days after launch.
Pepeq, the fact I've been part of and invested in the game for 9 years, with leveled characters, accumulated wealth, your logic of me caring about only those who will not be purchasing/playing the game Is completely flawed.
In fact I wouldn't care at all about the game and bothered to make a useful poll about it if your logic was correct. Finally, they might not be losing $ on this, but they will surely lose $ on me this time and apparently from a lot of other MMO players from here.
Probably because it's been out a decade?
Yes, it's good from you to say that the majority of this community prefers sandbox over themepark MMO's and obviously there is a very good reason why. That doesn't mean the fact those who prefer sandboxes (included me) cannot enjoy a well done themepark MMO.
I recall vividly how hyped this community was for SWTOR and Guild Wars 2 as well. So, I have to disagree with you. This community is about all MMO players (who love MMO's sandbox or themeparks) and they made their votes.
The community has voted. The minority will be playing WOW:WoD next week, 46%. I'm very interested to hear the majority and their top reason why they won't be involved with WOW:WoD. For me it's the cost. The value is not worth what I'll be receiving in return from WOW:WoD.
I would've been persuaded and took WOW:WoD seriously again, playing it hopefully for at least a year if the expansion fee was removed and the sub cost me $10 a month top ($15 if I was not left without content for half the expansion period, which is year+ in this case). For me this is still more than what I'm paying for any other game at the moment, and only cuz it's WOW. Otherwise $5 monthly would be the top I would pay for every other MMO that is on the market atm.
If I choose to play WOW:WoD right now for at least the next 4 months would cost me at least 3x more than that. $50 exp + $60 for 4 months = $110 = $27.5 USD, with the fall of the CAD $ that's $31.
No, the community hasn't spoken. You didn't give all the options. If you look at the thread, you'll see some of us preordered so we didn't vote due to a poorly constructed poll. If you'd like us to add our vote to the "buying" category, we can go ahead and do that for you
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Just a thought but....
Not everybody played WOW for 24/7 in the last few years... Some people, like myself, play it a few months here, a few months there... And end up buying the expansions, one here, one there... So, even people that might not buy it NOW or that may not have preordered it, might still end up buying when that time of the gaming cycle dictates that one goes a few months again into WOW.... That's one of the things nowadays. Most people don't loose themselves inside a game for years to pass... Instead they switch in between a variety of games, trying to keep things fresh and fun for them (specially people that are not in the teen-age anymore and have less time to spend and can't really be a hardcore at one single game).
With this i just mean that, although i am undecided, eventually I might go there, and give them a few bucks to have a few months of fun and stuff... That is what gives them profit? Dunno, but it's a LOT better than games that have a huge BANG at launch and then die rapidly. WOW has its issues, but, hey, its been 10 years, and for most people that play it, either hardcore or casually, it still provides several hours of fun... And isn't that the whole purpose of gaming? Fun?
If WOW has wronged me I would've not been posting a single msg related to it. I would just let it die like every other MMO in the past I've lost interest about. If all, on the contrary World of Warcraft will benefit the most if it read forums like these from it's playerbase, something known as "feedback" to attract that 54% of the current MMO market it's failing to attract as well as create a new market with its innovations and quality.
IMO, Blizzard should've scrapped a lot of unnecessary things to further lower the cost of their product. Price plays significant role in consumers decision with everything in life and it's why the cheaper product will always be sold faster. Computer hardware, clothes, houses, cars list goes on and on...
I know when I bought MOP I didn't even raid. I just did the PvP and I was content. There are so many things I didn't touch from that game that I'm sure majority has not as well. Maeby Blizzard can allow more control for the player to decide what to unlock in the game through their cash shop. So, those who prefer to PvP or PvE only will be still spending $ on the game but far less. Things like these is where competition is shown and Blizzard is failing to see this.
They got...Challenges, Scenarios, Garrisons...eh I never did much pet battles when MOP came. Bottom line is, 2014 has A LOT more cheaper options than WOW for the gamer. So, I'm sure if I made more threads like you want me to Oberholzer we would find out exactly the main, top reason why 54% of this community won't be playing WOW;WoD on launch.
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Undecided = won't be playing ON LAUNCH (which is in few days), so no difference. Poll is accurate, 54% won't be playing on launch either because they are still undecided or because they've decided not to play already, bottom line. So, yes sir it's correct imo.
Made by Activision Blizzard?, no thank you and never again. Unless all purchase and subs refunded.
Thank you for your locked-up patronized.
I really wish I had your brain and your calculator. Its almost as E=m*c2 is understandable now.
2 903 939 members = 311 persons that answered this important poll, and 54 % of them have decided, or maybe not decided, that they will NOT play or maybe they will, if they make up their minds. But anyhow 54% of these have made up their minds, or maybe not yet, that WOD isnt their cup of tea or mass or energy or something.
I completely get it now. I stand down corrected!
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So what?
WOW has BY FAR more content than any other theme park mmo, for the same monthly subscription. Other gaming companies better start realizing you're not going to compete with WOW by cloning it then only adding a fraction of the content or by ignoring most of your potential customers by forgetting to add casual content.
Even with having to buy expansions, WOW is the best bang for your buck.
I have not decided yet upon WoW:WoD, but am leaning towards not purchasing it. I stopped playing as a subscriber long ago, but I do go back to play as free-to-play time to time. I still enjoy WoW in spurts, & occasionally when Blizzard gifts me some free play time I really appreciate playing on my old account.
I have all 5 previous Collector's Editions & the collector in me wants this one too, but since I do not play as a subscriber anymore & cannot reason why they jacked-up the CE another $10 I think it would be wasted money.
Subscribing again seems like it could be too much of a disparity between beginning from scratch, for myself & any brand new players, compared to the enduring current players. WoW is vast with content & still a good game, but there are more & more good free to play games nowadays too.
Once I read about the Robin Williams memorial being released with WoD & if done respectfully I'll subscribe for 1 month just to give the deserved kudos to his memory & Blizzard for honoring him.
I have been saying this for quite some time now. WoW should be the benchmark other new games base a sub fee off of. You can't start a new title and pay the same as another that has so much more to do. Especially with the unpolished titles that have recently released.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Salute!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
A big fat no for me.
Throw in all the little new systems and WoW is the same game as it has been for a decade. Lvling is meaningless and dull. Get to max level, grind reputations, a bit of dungeon running, and grind out raids/pvp for best gear. Rinse, repeat...look back at every expansion in the last 10 years and its the same. Garrisons won't change this.
I left WoW after we downed Ragnaros in cataclysm. GW2 was for for 1.5-2 years...bounced around the likes of Neverwinter and warframe...playing a bit longer in Diablo 3. Picked up ESO and im absolutely loving it there.
The more things change in WoW, the more they stay the same.
I already got it a while back, so I guess I'm going to give it a go. I skipped Cata and Panda rainbow Expansion, so am hoping it will seem a little fresh when i return. I don't have high hopes.
I imagine I'll do the 90-100 grind, do some raiding and get bored. 1-2 months play time, tops. It will at least keep me pre-occupied till 2015 rolls around and I can start looking forward to new horizons.