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Quitting because of blatant cash grab and p2w features. What now though?
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"Where the carcasses is, the vultures gathered".
You are not the only one who had been milked greedily by the vultures.
"Whoever have an ear, let him hear".
There are also factors involved. Like Scale and keeping the honest players honest.
ELUA violation RMT happens in all MMOs. But the scale is very different.
Your average JOE gamer isn't going to go and drop 500 bucks on an account he knows will be perma-banned or basically insecure.
Then there are all the other complications surrounding the account. 3rd pary hackers who knows who has tyouched this accout or even if the guy selling it didn't steal it in the 1st place.
We've all heard about the guys who ebay'd their WoW accounts only to later change theri minds and go back and show proof of ownership and reset their default email accounts and take back the accounts they sold.
So what's JOE gamer gonna do? Best he can hope for is a "Fuck you" back to the seller by trying to reveal the account was sold, but he's out regardless, the guy who sold the account doesn't care, it's a chance he is willing to take since he loses nothing.
The odds are always stacked against the RMTer in those cases and they almost NEVER have any recourse.
Almost all of my former guildmates across all games for years were openly anti-RMT in games where it wasn't acceptable, even in the games with Cash Shops, it was made clear that only the in-game RMT was aceptable.
TLDR:
% of players using RMT against ELUA in Sub only is/was no where near % of players using Publiser based RMT in F2P games
Actually, the OP was asking for advice on what game to play next. You'll note DMKano didn't even recommend the OP spend any money in the cash shop, which isn't what a representative at Trion would likely do.
What is amazing is the amount of false accusations made on this website that don't get moderated out of existence.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Hypothetically speaking, if the representative's purpose was to try to keep the population as high as possible in general (whales need their fodder, you know) despite knowing that the P2W business model results in a downward spiral, seeing someone leaving the game because it's P2W and recommending they stay without paying is exactly what a good representative would do.
If you know someone's beliefs, you're supposed to cater your message to those beliefs. The whole "Oh, you don't have to spend money to have fun and be competitive." to someone who just said "This game is too P2W!" is doing exactly that). Hell, it's eerily equivalent to that time in that South Park Freemium episode when Stan's cell phone starts blaring saying "You got cash credits... FOR FREE!!!!" in an attempt to encourage him to start playing the game again in the hopes that he'll start spending like crazy again.
"You can still have fun... FOR FREE!"
Hmm....
Maybe I'll start a new business "Cannon Fodder's R Us"
For a fee I'll start supplying cannon fodder for the whales. Maybe some of those poor souls in places like Bangladesh would rather play games than make clothes for $40 a month.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Because blatantly telling him to go spend cash on the shop would surely clear everything up right? ever heard of 'subtle' marketing? you must be new to the internet or just completely blind sided by your love for this game.
All but the most outrageous flames seem to be complaint driven... I'm assuming that DMKano is not complaining to the mods about the flames.... and he easily could since a lot of posts in this forum or chunks of posts are nothing but flaming.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I heard it's F2P with no cash shop
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
So what your saying is expect million dollar games and don't pay a cent
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
Blizzard and 7.6 other million people are laughing at this statement
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
And thats the point. Time is money and you keep twisting an arguement because your wrong like in multiple other threads.
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
No its not but nice try.
When I wake up, the real nightmare begins
I don't know since when pointing out that certain individuals very well could be working for specific companies is outrageous flaming? as if such things do not happen at all. I am not the only one who is saying that by the way.
Sigh, there isn't evil intent behind everything on the internet, and there really are no black helicopters following you home in the evening.
DMKano is just a fan who is very strong in his beliefs, and he enjoys crusading both for and against (see ESO) MMO's on the forums.
And this opinion comes from "years" of experience....
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Agree with this. I played it during beta a year or so ago and was having a blast with the game but wound up getting involved in other games a lot and didnt have time for Firefall. Now after leaving FFXIV due to time issues / schedule change having to drop my raid group, and spending a few weeks screwing around in various other games and immediately being bored I decided to reinstall Firefall a couple days ago. It's definitely a nice change of pace from playing regular MMOs.
Think of it as kind of a PvE focused version of Planetside. Lots various missions and dynamic events. The Campaign missions / instances are fun as hell. And though it is F2P, it is definitely not P2W as you can access everything aside from some cosmetic stuff without paying a cent.
As an example of the way the cash shop & game works: You start with 1 of 4 basic batlleframes (classes) each with thir own levels, unique equipment, and unique abilities. You can unlock a variety of advanced battleframes, which are upgraded / specialized versions of the basic ones. These can use the abilities from the basic class as well as their own new abilities specific to the advanced frame, and they also have access to new types of weapons (for example a Recon frame upgraded to a Nighthawk frame uses sniper rifles). The various battleframes also unlock a variety of Perks which once unlocked can be used on any of the other frames as well. Perks are sort of like bonus stats that you can slot up to 10 of on each frame. You will get things like increased speed, increased damage, increased defense, special procs, etc.
Advanced frames can be bought in the cash shop, however you can also unlock them completely free by earning Pilot Tokens in game. You can earn them a couple different ways such as reaching certain levels or completing certain missions. They have also been doing free trials of advanced battleframes, allowing you to test certain ones out for a few days to see how you like it before investing any money or pilot tokens into unlocking it.
It does have PvP as well, but it seems to be fairly dead for now. The upcoming patch is going to be adding some improvements to the PvP zone though so maybe it will draw in some more people for PvPing. From what I did experience of PvP for a couple hours it seemed like it had huge potential to be one of the better PvP games around. It's sort of a smaller version of Planetside. One big zone with several outposts and watchtowers to fight for control over as well as PvE objectives and resource gathering (to upgrade your base defenses). Not too sure yet exactly why PvP is as unpopular as it is, maybe it runs horribly with lots of people or something. There was a small number of people there when I went. Wound up fighting our way back and forth across the map a few times trying to take over bases quicker and stop the enemy.
Multi-quote is your friend.
I'd like you name one that's not by the way, rather than just say "no it's not"
Keep in mind, before you say FFXIV or something like that, I can always buy someone's high level account and be standing at the top of the hill.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I know you're not. It has become the mmorpg.com AA forum sport. And you know damn well that they're personal attacks. You are all continuously calling him a Shill without actually using the term, You think that just describing the act of shilling and "speculating" continuously about DMKano in that context is somehow different. They're personal attacks, plain and simple.
I don't agree with a lot of his posts and argue with him but what many of you are doing is targeted and personal.
I don't feel a need to try to destroy his arguments with questions about his honesty or motivation. The arguments should just speak for themselves.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I mean come on now, If were going to go to that extant... I can be like that guy with the electric razor from Remington "I liked it so much I bought the company"
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Regardless of what your personal experience have taught you fact is that Astroturfing is a very real thing.
How can you even tell the difference these days regarding who is who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
I think that is the point people are trying to make. When your arguments are so dishonest and in your face with favoritism with specific company..it is natural for your motivation to be questioned.
I am a fan too.. i love WOW, EVE, GW2 just to name few. I have no allegiance to one company. That is what MMO gaming and being fan is all bout..even you must hate certain MMOS no doubt but i am sure you love just more than one game or company? to me personally this whole thing smells very fishy because i have personally come across certain individual on SWTOR forums who later turned out to be one of the staff member of Bioware.
Of course it's a real thing, but what you haven't done is come up with anything but unfounded accusations that he is shilling for a particular game. (because he supports it "too much?")
Where I come from you don't accuse people without solid proof, but that apparently is a lost concept for most folks on the internet these days.
I think that is the point people are trying to make. When your arguments are so dishonest and in your face with favoritism with specific company..it is natural for your motivation to be questioned.
I am a fan too.. i love WOW, EVE, GW2 just to name few. I have no allegiance to one company. That is what MMO gaming bad being fan is all bout..even you must hate certain MMOS no doubt but i am sure you love just more than one game or company? to me personally this whole thing smells very fishy because i have personally come across certain individual on SWTOR forums who later turned out to be one of the staff member of Bioware.
Are you sure he doesn't like other games? I think he does, but he is definitely an ardent defender of AA, because I think he's currently playing it.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I've run into DMKano and agreed or disagreed with him in many other forums here that had nothing to do with Trion. He had a love/hate relationship with ESO. He loved it at first when his Dragonknight was godly but got bored and went over to Wildstar.
And I was also accused of being a shill for ESO just because I argued loudly and frequently against some of the stupider criticism against it.
Accusing people of stealth marketing around here is pretty common ad hominem when you can't think of anything better to say.
If he's full of shit just tell him why - I certainly do lol. No need to undermine your own argument with petty cliches.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You are confusing me with someone else? i didn't even post on this topic up till now when i read your post. I am not accusing anyone but then again i don't trust anyone either because i have been burnt once before in SWTOR with the very same posting strategy.
I just like to keep an open mind and believe that anything is possible. You just made it sound as if believing in 'astroturfing' is same as believing in 'black helicopters'. So i had to comment on that. This not some conspiracy theory or paranoia but a fact of marketing and happens more often and more frequently than you can ever imagine.