Originally posted by Snakex Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the problems faced by new players when joining the game and why they do not feel the incentive to advance into the game. This video in no way is suggesting 'wow is too easy' or any other conclusions surrounding that statement people wish to force upon the video. The same goes for 'rose tinted goggles' or special snowflake' and any other nonsensical arguments that are not mentioned in any way
Mis representing the video when the uploader clearly states what it is about?
good point
Some Reminders: No friends/guidlies etc were in the dungeons. I did 0 damage for the 5 mans and all of the initial LFR's until ToT I did horrific Damage to appear on the dmg meter in ToT I was kicked a grand total of once after using /follow as a test.
You missed some of it...
WoW haters who cry "ZOMG game is dumbed down and too easy now" in a nutshell:
Gets presented with a few difficulty levels: Very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard.
Many in this thread have pointed out the flexibility of the game. If you think it is too easy than adjust accordingly. There are way too many people playing the game and it has to designed so they can play it also. At about 6:07 he even states why the game is designed this way. Not everyone is an elite player, many are housewives, people who come home from work after a 10 hour day, and younger kids. Time can't be put into something that to some of us should be fun and relaxing, not disturbingly stressful. This is true for any mmorpg!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Snakex Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the problems faced by new players when joining the game and why they do not feel the incentive to advance into the game. This video in no way is suggesting 'wow is too easy' or any other conclusions surrounding that statement people wish to force upon the video. The same goes for 'rose tinted goggles' or special snowflake' and any other nonsensical arguments that are not mentioned in any way
Mis representing the video when the uploader clearly states what it is about?
good point
Some Reminders: No friends/guidlies etc were in the dungeons. I did 0 damage for the 5 mans and all of the initial LFR's until ToT I did horrific Damage to appear on the dmg meter in ToT I was kicked a grand total of once after using /follow as a test.
You missed some of it...
WoW haters who cry "ZOMG game is dumbed down and too easy now" in a nutshell:
Gets presented with a few difficulty levels: Very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard.
Something like 1% of players have completed Heroic Garrosh when it was current content before patch 6.0. Furthermore WoW since BC has been about end game content. Leveling for 6 months is for asian MMO's and people that need to chase a carrot in order to play a game. Vanilla WoW was so linear and dull I quite about 3 times. I came from UO and compared to it, it was a MMO that was for brain dead people. With each expansion they've added more to the plate giving the player more options on what they can do. Leveling is out of date and is an old over used idea. Every MMO I've played is about end game. Developers need to just scrap questing and come up new ideas. Unfortunately if they did there would be a million forum posts from robots that just don't get it.
"Hey man, where my carrot".
While Cata and pandaland wasn't great. They are steadily making the game better with each expansion. The game feels more like a sandbox game now. When people talk about vanilla or BC, thats nostalgia and bullshit.
Cool video and its nothing that most people that have been around didnt already know...but he further illustrated it and really accented it this point: You can get to max level and literally suck at all aspects of the game, still get rewarded, and see everything. Exclusivity is gone, the feeling of "phew that was a tough fight" is gone because you can just do LFR and down the boss easily. For those who are going to be doing normal/heroic and then into mythic get into the same old crap to be honest...where you do it on easy mode, then on hard mode, and then on ludicrous mode...and get burnt out. Grind out the same raid 3 different times over the span of 3-6 months? Why?
Gone are the days when you enter a raid because you grinded out difficult dungeons or crafted gear, and your guild had the ability to put forth 10 or 25 raiders (40 mans are dead..stop), and downed difficult bosses. Having so many difficulties for so many groups of people illustrates one thing: Blizzard pandered to everyone in WOTLK and now they need to constantly patch up their screw up by finding new ways to keep these people involved. Sure, they made a ton of money from WOTLK and the mindset that it fostered, but the game as we KNEW it in the glory days is dead.
I don't play WoW anymore, haven't since Ragnaros in Cata. Im SO SO tempted to play WoD, but Im holding off to see how many of my friends(and brother) bleed off in 1-3 months like they normally do once they realize that they can one or a few toons, do some dungeons and lfr, and ...ya. boring. When they realize that our guild is no more, and they are logging in and playing by themselves, they'll bleed off. And it'll be my justification for not getting into it.
Im enjoying the hell out of ESO, surprisingly, taking my sweet a$$ time leveling my first character to 50, and then 1-2 more...and hopefully in 1 or 2 months Zenimax will have fixed the flaws in their endgame. Otherwise, its back to Diablo 3 or a break from gaming in general.
And yet we have threads in the forums about Nerfing heroics and Nerfing proving grounds.
if you think leveling is easy on your 580 toon roll a new one with 470 gear. I'm sure that will give you a bit of a challenge.
The guy got through the entire final raid without even *trying*. He was just following them around 99% of the time, and still got the wins.
He shows how, even without really even trying, his damage was still not far off from others', which means either they were only trying slightly harder than he was, or they are just unskilled players.
Yet, they all cleared the raid - the hardest content in the game - and got the win.
Even wearing the best gear you can have prior to reaching that raid, it should still be a challenge. Clearly it isn't.
That's a problem.
Saying WoW has been dumbed down at this point is like saying 'water is wet'. Either is just as obvious.
Sorry, I just caught this huge error, and have to correct it....
LFR, especially previous tier LFR, is by no means "the hardest content in the game". LFR is actually the easiest content in the game. You either knew this and just wanted to pass off LFR as being a real representaion of WoW's raids, or didn't know, and therefor should have a different opinion on WoW's raids after reading this.
This goes back to what I was saying earlier.......people select the easiest version of the content (or watch videos of it), then complain that the game is too easy.
Something like 1% of players have completed Heroic Garrosh when it was current content before patch 6.0. Furthermore WoW since BC has been about end game content. Leveling for 6 months is for asian MMO's and people that need to chase a carrot in order to play a game. Vanilla WoW was so linear and dull I quite about 3 times. I came from UO and compared to it, it was a MMO that was for brain dead people. With each expansion they've added more to the plate giving the player more options on what they can do. Leveling is out of date and is an old over used idea. Every MMO I've played is about end game. Developers need to just scrap questing and come up new ideas. Unfortunately if they did there would be a million forum posts from robots that just don't get it.
"Hey man, where my carrot".
Well with WoW the "carrot" can be many different things. My friends wife loves casual questing and pet battles, and he loves the Battle Grounds. There is so much to do that isn't raiding and getting gear. I personally like hopping around and not being to specific. With the addition of the Garrison there are even more choices.
The video the OP posted was so one sided and was presented to raid minded players. IMHO WoW isn't losing players because it is too casual now, it's losing players because there are literally hundreds of other games to play. One solid thing about WoW though is the fact the people usually come back.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Snakex Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the problems faced by new players when joining the game and why they do not feel the incentive to advance into the game. This video in no way is suggesting 'wow is too easy' or any other conclusions surrounding that statement people wish to force upon the video. The same goes for 'rose tinted goggles' or special snowflake' and any other nonsensical arguments that are not mentioned in any way
Mis representing the video when the uploader clearly states what it is about?
good point
Some Reminders: No friends/guidlies etc were in the dungeons. I did 0 damage for the 5 mans and all of the initial LFR's until ToT I did horrific Damage to appear on the dmg meter in ToT I was kicked a grand total of once after using /follow as a test.
You missed some of it...
WoW haters who cry "ZOMG game is dumbed down and too easy now" in a nutshell:
Gets presented with a few difficulty levels: Very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard.
Chooses very easy/easy
Proceeds to complain that the game is too easy...
It's not about the difficulty level.
He saw everything without doing anything. In fact he tried to be the worst player possible by doing no damage and getting hit on purpose. The accessibility part let him see all the content. It doesn't matter that is was very easy he still saw it. All he had to do was show up and even then he tried on purpose to be horrid.
The apathy part where nobody even cared to call him out, help him improve or in general give two craps about his performance at all. He got kicked a grand total of once.
He was literally completely useless, saw everything, and all but one group didn't even give a crap.
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Originally posted by palulalula WOW is simply amazing and for sure still the best mmo on the market. I like WOD so much. Best expansion ever!
Someone is on fanboi island.
WoD is turning out to be a great expansion, so I hear. I won't go as far as to say WoW is amazing. I think its done amazing things in the past to get the reputation, loyatly, and massive playerbase it has now. I think other games are way more innovative than WoW is, and since MoP, WoW is trying to play catch up. They realize that new zones, races/classes and raids to make up an expansion just dont cut it anymore.
WoW sets the bar low so everyone can see all the content.
If you want a challenge, make your own challenge. You don't have to wear the best gear, you don't have to follow the optimal rotation, you don't have to use addons, there are plenty of ways to make the game more challenging if that's what you're really looking for. How about if you die, you have to delete your character and start over? Getting to end game with that stipulation would be pretty challenging.
The issue here is people that complain that the game is too easy aren't actually looking for a higher degree of difficulty. If they were, they'd take my suggestions to heart. What they're actually looking for exclusivity. They want to be able to see the big dragon, the big bosses, and all end game has to offer while at the same time preventing other people from seeing it. They want to use it as a bragging tool to show off to other players just how superior they are.
Now, I'm not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing. It's actually in our instincts as primarily males to put ourselves in competition with each other for the superior to rise to the top and the inferior to walk away. That's just simply not good for business though, as Wildstar has proven.
A more challenging version of WoW would have far less the amount of subscribers, as Cataclysm proved. WotLK wrapped up at over 14 million subs and within 6 months of Cata, that sub number was down to 7 million (half) because Cata was far too difficult for so many players.
I hate to stay this to MMO vets because I remember back to good ole days with Everquest as well. But what you're looking for isn't here anymore. It's too profit driven to ever build a game that blocks people from seeing the entire world.
This is it 100% I get sick of seeing post like this from people complaining the the game has no challenge while decked out in their op gear. You want to make any mmo challenging then don't always go for the top end gear have some dam self control for a change. Take off that gear and try playing content without it. The one reason that gear is in the game in the first place is other players tthat want to feel god like and they are not complaining on message boards.
Originally posted by Snakex Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWh9aY4pas
The purpose of this video is to demonstrate the problems faced by new players when joining the game and why they do not feel the incentive to advance into the game. This video in no way is suggesting 'wow is too easy' or any other conclusions surrounding that statement people wish to force upon the video. The same goes for 'rose tinted goggles' or special snowflake' and any other nonsensical arguments that are not mentioned in any way
Mis representing the video when the uploader clearly states what it is about?
good point
Some Reminders: No friends/guidlies etc were in the dungeons. I did 0 damage for the 5 mans and all of the initial LFR's until ToT I did horrific Damage to appear on the dmg meter in ToT I was kicked a grand total of once after using /follow as a test.
You missed some of it...
WoW haters who cry "ZOMG game is dumbed down and too easy now" in a nutshell:
Gets presented with a few difficulty levels: Very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard.
Chooses very easy/easy
Proceeds to complain that the game is too easy...
It's not about the difficulty level.
He saw everything without doing anything. In fact he tried to be the worst player possible by doing no damage and getting hit on purpose. The accessibility part let him see all the content. It doesn't matter that is was very easy he still saw it. All he had to do was show up and even then he tried on purpose to be horrid.
The apathy part where nobody even cared to call him out, help him improve or in general give two craps about his performance at all. He got kicked a grand total of once.
He was literally completely useless, saw everything, and all but one group didn't even give a crap.
By "saw everything", you mean the story? Yes...and that is the sole reason the LFRs exist, so everyone can see the story. It makes no sense to dedicated a huge amound of resources and effort to create content that only 0.8% of your playerbase would see. If this is about you wanting to be a special snowflake and being the only one to see the actual story, ok fine....but if this is about the game itself being "too easy", you are just plain wrong.
Originally posted by Tracho12 I don't see the issue.
If you want a challenge, make your own challenge. You don't have to wear the best gear, you don't have to follow the optimal rotation, you don't have to use addons, there are plenty of ways to make the game more challenging if that's what you're really looking for. How about if you die, you have to delete your character and start over? Getting to end game with that stipulation would be pretty challenging.
The issue here is people that complain that the game is too easy aren't actually looking for a higher degree of difficulty. If they were, they'd take my suggestions to heart. What they're actually looking for exclusivity. They want to be able to see the big dragon, the big bosses, and all end game has to offer while at the same time preventing other people from seeing it. They want to use it as a bragging tool to show off to other players just how superior they are.
QFT and I can't say I will miss "old school" mmos where camping dungeons or areas for hours was the pinnacle of mmo design. Too bad Wildstar developers didn't understand that no AAA mmo will survive only with hardcore players and the majority of players have too many options available to stay in a game where they are treated like second class citizens. Now they will have to change the game and go ftp or wait until NCSoft shuts down the servers to cut losses.
This stuff makes me sick. "if you want a challenge, dont use the optimal rotation and don't wear gear...do naked dungeon runs". Or the developers could just make a more difficult game, like it used to be. I remember downing A'Lar for the first time, only only a few guilds on the server had done it. What an accomplishment...what an achievement. There were no other difficulties and killing him was something to beat your chest about, at the time. Now, everyone has done it.
Originally posted by Snakex Im a Vanillia player. My rogue is roughly 9 years old. What the game is becoming is very obvious now, no longer just a theory. Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. But i did find this video that i thought people should see. Watch it all the way through and really reflect...if you can.
I think he hit the nail on the head. I am thoroughly disappointed with what WoW has become and am glad that I have quit it but it was revolutionary once upon a time and I will always celebrate that.
However, in the present, wow is no longer the competitive, fairly challenging game that it used to be.
Nonetheless, I think most games as old as wow are on deaths door at the very least, its surprising that its even still alive.
I personally think the only reason it is still a live is because titan failed so they are trying to milk everything they can out of the people who are in my opinion blindly loyal to wow and refuse to ditch it for modern games.
Pretty much..I agree. I think nostalgia is keeping people in the game, and bringing people back for WoD. Yes, they have done some good things in recent years to be sure. But I think WoW came in the market at the right time and pandered to all computer capabilities, garnered a large playerbase, reputation, and loyalty...millions have played it and invested years...and now they still cling to the IP because of nostalgia and one or two things they enjoy about the game, for example the hardmode raiding stuff. Do you find a lot of people that enjoy leveling 4 or 5 characters, doing dungeons, raiding and PVP? I think you'll find more people that would rather skip leveling after leveling one character, and head right into Raids after a few dungeons, and just raid or PvP...very few people enjoy the full game anymore.
As someone who has mained a paladin since day one of vanilla. If you try to tell me that auto-attacking from 1-60 was a challenge and a struggle, I will Final Verdict your face.
I can't think of a single class that has less interaction now than it did 10 years ago. FFS boomkin druids used to press ONE button, moonfire.
Yeah, real interesting and challenging gameplay. Also, bears didn't tank (some people let them tank a few 5 mans, but tanking was pretty much done by warriors). Speaking of which, Fury was auto-attack + bloodthirst. Wheeeee! So hard.
Let's do a rundown for old times sake:
Mages: Frost - pretty sucky! Frostbolt and cone of cold . . . ? Arcane - No cc, no dps, no survivability. Not used in pve or pvp. Fire - Only okay spec. Still built around fireball, fireblast, and pyroblast. Yay 3 abilities. In PvP, mages went into Arcane to grab Presence of Mind for an instant Pyro every few minutes.
Warlocks: Worst class in game. Not a single viable spec. Pets sucked. Affliction had like 3 dots. Destro was basically affliction with one less dot. Demo was "the leveling spec" because without it you would die because you had no dps, and no survivability. Remember knockback to cast times? Couldn't even cast a single fear without dying.
Paladin - Auto-attack and judgement. Prot couldn't tank, no threat and no survivability. In order for your abilities to proc, you had to get crit. Great a tank that trys to get crit on. Holy = flash of light that's it. 5 minute buffs. How fun was it to spend all night in a 40 man raid rebuffing everyone constantly? So fun.
Warrior - Prot - best and only tank. Has only gotten more abilities over time. Fury - auto-attack and BT. Arms - Mortal Strike and revenge. Sure they used to be able to stance dance, but for what? To use one ability. Wow, much button, so skill.
Rogue - TBH they haven't changed much and have only gained more abilities. Because they're a good class.
Shaman - Enhancement, auto-attack hoping for windfury proc and maybe earthshock to interrupt. Elemental - Frostshock = iwin. They literally did not press any other buttons nor did they need to, frostshock could 2-3 shot anyone, was spammable and it slowed. If you do not remember this, then you did not pvp in vanilla. Resto . . . wait shamans had a resto tree in vanilla? I thought they just pressed frostshock.
Hunter - Auto-attack + pet aggroing all the mobs in an instance + ninja looting every weapon that dropped. Survival spec was useful for . . . nothing. BM was useful for . . . mostly nothing. MM was pretty much it. And still sucked. They've only gained abilities and actually have to interact with their class.
Druid - Did you innervate the priest? Good, you may afk. These guys had horrible underpowered heals that took a ton of mana so they'd go OOM immediately, but because priests were much better healers they were the innervate targets. So basically, heal a couple times, and then sit there until the priest needed more mana. Balance? Sorry. Feral? For leveling.
Priest - Are you a dwarf? Great, you're invited! Disc? Sorry, the princess is in another castle, please try holy. Shadow? I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that.
The "challenge" was the blizzard made a horribly lopsided game with terrible gear that didn't support any particular spec, with talent trees that were almost entirely useless. Vanilla was great for Prot Warriors, Rogues, Holy Priests, and Fire mages (and Ele shamans in pvp). Every other class and spec was basically junk. Now it may sound as if I disliked vanilla WoW, I abosolutely didn't. I have many fond memories and had lots of fun, I just didn't get to participate in a lot of things the "right" classes/spec did and had to spend a lot of time playing in a way that was really boring (buffing non-stop).
That is 10000000% vanilla WoW in a nutshell.
You sir, won the internet for the day.
I'll second that. Internet won!!! I do feel like you missed an opportunity to rant on some of the older systems like Resistance gear! Or how about weapon levelling? "I'm a master with a one-handed sword!!!! Daggers? Nope! I have no idea how to use this. Can't even hit a sleeping turtle."
Originally posted by Snakex Im a Vanillia player. My rogue is roughly 9 years old. What the game is becoming is very obvious now, no longer just a theory. Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. But i did find this video that i thought people should see. Watch it all the way through and really reflect...if you can.
I think he hit the nail on the head. I am thoroughly disappointed with what WoW has become and am glad that I have quit it but it was revolutionary once upon a time and I will always celebrate that.
However, in the present, wow is no longer the competitive, fairly challenging game that it used to be.
Nonetheless, I think most games as old as wow are on deaths door at the very least, its surprising that its even still alive.
I personally think the only reason it is still a live is because titan failed so they are trying to milk everything they can out of the people who are in my opinion blindly loyal to wow and refuse to ditch it for modern games.
I can't speak for all, but I can assure you this is not the case for many of the people I know who play (with the exception of Annie because she refuses to leave), but most of us have tried more modern games and in my case, every new MMORPG i can get my hands on. Yet most of us come back to WoW and are reminded many times over of all the things that WoW has going for it in comparison to the games we left. My last break lasted 4 years and I was almost positive i was done with the game. After pressure from my friends (I owed more than a few of them for talking them into GW2 and that not working out) I decided to come back and so far I can't say i regret it one bit.
The thing to keep in perspective, which the video does not touch on, is that WoW now offers more variances in their content than they used to. It caters to the casual but then there are options for those looking for more of a challenge. Leveling and dungeons are tougher than they used to be, to an extent, and I personally like that their are multiple difficulties to dungeons and raids to include challenges for those with a competitive nature. I have been playing the game on and off for over 8 years now and I can't say that any other MMORPG on the market is able to bring me back so, for me, they are doing some things right and it is not because I am too loyal to ditch the game for a more modern one.
Originally posted by Snakex Im a Vanillia player. My rogue is roughly 9 years old. What the game is becoming is very obvious now, no longer just a theory. Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. But i did find this video that i thought people should see. Watch it all the way through and really reflect...if you can.
Obviously this is to liking of great majority of players. Blizzard had to decide to make happy 500.000 of players like you or 7-9 millions. And formula worked. Do I miss something from 9 years ago? Sure I do. Would like to return to "old" times? Nope, I enjoy more now. Wow is great game. When I will not like it any more ... will change game. I suggest you do same.
Originally posted by Tracho12 I don't see the issue.
If you want a challenge, make your own challenge. You don't have to wear the best gear, you don't have to follow the optimal rotation, you don't have to use addons, there are plenty of ways to make the game more challenging if that's what you're really looking for. How about if you die, you have to delete your character and start over? Getting to end game with that stipulation would be pretty challenging.
The issue here is people that complain that the game is too easy aren't actually looking for a higher degree of difficulty. If they were, they'd take my suggestions to heart. What they're actually looking for exclusivity. They want to be able to see the big dragon, the big bosses, and all end game has to offer while at the same time preventing other people from seeing it. They want to use it as a bragging tool to show off to other players just how superior they are.
QFT and I can't say I will miss "old school" mmos where camping dungeons or areas for hours was the pinnacle of mmo design. Too bad Wildstar developers didn't understand that no AAA mmo will survive only with hardcore players and the majority of players have too many options available to stay in a game where they are treated like second class citizens. Now they will have to change the game and go ftp or wait until NCSoft shuts down the servers to cut losses.
This stuff makes me sick. "if you want a challenge, dont use the optimal rotation and don't wear gear...do naked dungeon runs". Or the developers could just make a more difficult game, like it used to be. I remember downing A'Lar for the first time, only only a few guilds on the server had done it. What an accomplishment...what an achievement. There were no other difficulties and killing him was something to beat your chest about, at the time. Now, everyone has done it.
That level of difficulty is still in the game. Less than 1% of the overall player base ever completed Herioc Garrosh. Perhaps 2 expansions down the road everyone will be able to but that doesn't take away from the accomplishment of having done it when it was live, at least it shouldn't.
See, you're a prime example of my original point. You had the challenge you desired with original A'lar, your guild was successful, you got to savor victory, all should be well but it's not. Your upset by the fact that others can now beat A'lar with minimal effort. Something that affects you in no way 'makes you sick'. Do you understand how irrational that kind of thinking is?
You're not upset because of the difficulty of the game you're experiencing getting lower because it hasn't, as I've just proven with Herioc Garrosh. What upsets you is that there's an easier option for other people so they can see the content if they wish.
Wow used to be one difficulty - hard. Now it has three difficulties - hard, normal, easy. You're upset because the game has normal and easy difficulties despite the fact you don't have to pick them, you can still play the game on hard.
Originally posted by Snakex Im a Vanillia player. My rogue is roughly 9 years old. What the game is becoming is very obvious now, no longer just a theory. Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. But i did find this video that i thought people should see. Watch it all the way through and really reflect...if you can.
Did this guy really say mists of pandaria is the best expansion ever? The stupidity of that statement devalues his entire video and even your post. Linking that video as something worthy to reflect upon is an insult to all gamers regardless of what they play.
Originally posted by Snakex Im a Vanillia player. My rogue is roughly 9 years old. What the game is becoming is very obvious now, no longer just a theory. Leveling is easy, mob killing easy, there is no struggle, iv barley been playing WOD due to queue issues, but yet, im still 96 already, without even trying. But i did find this video that i thought people should see. Watch it all the way through and really reflect...if you can.
I've seen thoose cheaters in LFR and dungeons, there will always be free riders and I think most ppl like me think its not worth the drama to kick, its 25 man so you dont need all dps. And its impossible to know if someone is a slacker without a dps-meter installed. The last months older raids like TOT was a walk in the park, because SOO geared players farmed it for the cloak.
And he choosed to play a rogue as a class, that sums it all up. If you wanna cheat play a rogue.
It will be interesting to see how that kind of cheaters will survive with the new group finder and flex raiding.
This thread is drama over nothing. If you want it hard, go and play hard heroic/mythic.
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WoW haters who cry "ZOMG game is dumbed down and too easy now" in a nutshell:
Gets presented with a few difficulty levels: Very easy, easy, medium, hard, very hard.
Chooses very easy/easy
Proceeds to complain that the game is too easy...
Many in this thread have pointed out the flexibility of the game. If you think it is too easy than adjust accordingly. There are way too many people playing the game and it has to designed so they can play it also. At about 6:07 he even states why the game is designed this way. Not everyone is an elite player, many are housewives, people who come home from work after a 10 hour day, and younger kids. Time can't be put into something that to some of us should be fun and relaxing, not disturbingly stressful. This is true for any mmorpg!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
^ Pretty much this
Something like 1% of players have completed Heroic Garrosh when it was current content before patch 6.0. Furthermore WoW since BC has been about end game content. Leveling for 6 months is for asian MMO's and people that need to chase a carrot in order to play a game. Vanilla WoW was so linear and dull I quite about 3 times. I came from UO and compared to it, it was a MMO that was for brain dead people. With each expansion they've added more to the plate giving the player more options on what they can do. Leveling is out of date and is an old over used idea. Every MMO I've played is about end game. Developers need to just scrap questing and come up new ideas. Unfortunately if they did there would be a million forum posts from robots that just don't get it.
"Hey man, where my carrot".
While Cata and pandaland wasn't great. They are steadily making the game better with each expansion. The game feels more like a sandbox game now. When people talk about vanilla or BC, thats nostalgia and bullshit.
Cool video and its nothing that most people that have been around didnt already know...but he further illustrated it and really accented it this point: You can get to max level and literally suck at all aspects of the game, still get rewarded, and see everything. Exclusivity is gone, the feeling of "phew that was a tough fight" is gone because you can just do LFR and down the boss easily. For those who are going to be doing normal/heroic and then into mythic get into the same old crap to be honest...where you do it on easy mode, then on hard mode, and then on ludicrous mode...and get burnt out. Grind out the same raid 3 different times over the span of 3-6 months? Why?
Gone are the days when you enter a raid because you grinded out difficult dungeons or crafted gear, and your guild had the ability to put forth 10 or 25 raiders (40 mans are dead..stop), and downed difficult bosses. Having so many difficulties for so many groups of people illustrates one thing: Blizzard pandered to everyone in WOTLK and now they need to constantly patch up their screw up by finding new ways to keep these people involved. Sure, they made a ton of money from WOTLK and the mindset that it fostered, but the game as we KNEW it in the glory days is dead.
I don't play WoW anymore, haven't since Ragnaros in Cata. Im SO SO tempted to play WoD, but Im holding off to see how many of my friends(and brother) bleed off in 1-3 months like they normally do once they realize that they can one or a few toons, do some dungeons and lfr, and ...ya. boring. When they realize that our guild is no more, and they are logging in and playing by themselves, they'll bleed off. And it'll be my justification for not getting into it.
Im enjoying the hell out of ESO, surprisingly, taking my sweet a$$ time leveling my first character to 50, and then 1-2 more...and hopefully in 1 or 2 months Zenimax will have fixed the flaws in their endgame. Otherwise, its back to Diablo 3 or a break from gaming in general.
Sorry, I just caught this huge error, and have to correct it....
LFR, especially previous tier LFR, is by no means "the hardest content in the game". LFR is actually the easiest content in the game. You either knew this and just wanted to pass off LFR as being a real representaion of WoW's raids, or didn't know, and therefor should have a different opinion on WoW's raids after reading this.
This goes back to what I was saying earlier.......people select the easiest version of the content (or watch videos of it), then complain that the game is too easy.
Well with WoW the "carrot" can be many different things. My friends wife loves casual questing and pet battles, and he loves the Battle Grounds. There is so much to do that isn't raiding and getting gear. I personally like hopping around and not being to specific. With the addition of the Garrison there are even more choices.
The video the OP posted was so one sided and was presented to raid minded players. IMHO WoW isn't losing players because it is too casual now, it's losing players because there are literally hundreds of other games to play. One solid thing about WoW though is the fact the people usually come back.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
It's not about the difficulty level.
He saw everything without doing anything. In fact he tried to be the worst player possible by doing no damage and getting hit on purpose. The accessibility part let him see all the content. It doesn't matter that is was very easy he still saw it. All he had to do was show up and even then he tried on purpose to be horrid.
The apathy part where nobody even cared to call him out, help him improve or in general give two craps about his performance at all. He got kicked a grand total of once.
He was literally completely useless, saw everything, and all but one group didn't even give a crap.
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WoD is turning out to be a great expansion, so I hear. I won't go as far as to say WoW is amazing. I think its done amazing things in the past to get the reputation, loyatly, and massive playerbase it has now. I think other games are way more innovative than WoW is, and since MoP, WoW is trying to play catch up. They realize that new zones, races/classes and raids to make up an expansion just dont cut it anymore.
This is it 100% I get sick of seeing post like this from people complaining the the game has no challenge while decked out in their op gear. You want to make any mmo challenging then don't always go for the top end gear have some dam self control for a change. Take off that gear and try playing content without it. The one reason that gear is in the game in the first place is other players tthat want to feel god like and they are not complaining on message boards.
By "saw everything", you mean the story? Yes...and that is the sole reason the LFRs exist, so everyone can see the story. It makes no sense to dedicated a huge amound of resources and effort to create content that only 0.8% of your playerbase would see. If this is about you wanting to be a special snowflake and being the only one to see the actual story, ok fine....but if this is about the game itself being "too easy", you are just plain wrong.
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This stuff makes me sick. "if you want a challenge, dont use the optimal rotation and don't wear gear...do naked dungeon runs". Or the developers could just make a more difficult game, like it used to be. I remember downing A'Lar for the first time, only only a few guilds on the server had done it. What an accomplishment...what an achievement. There were no other difficulties and killing him was something to beat your chest about, at the time. Now, everyone has done it.
Pretty much..I agree. I think nostalgia is keeping people in the game, and bringing people back for WoD. Yes, they have done some good things in recent years to be sure. But I think WoW came in the market at the right time and pandered to all computer capabilities, garnered a large playerbase, reputation, and loyalty...millions have played it and invested years...and now they still cling to the IP because of nostalgia and one or two things they enjoy about the game, for example the hardmode raiding stuff. Do you find a lot of people that enjoy leveling 4 or 5 characters, doing dungeons, raiding and PVP? I think you'll find more people that would rather skip leveling after leveling one character, and head right into Raids after a few dungeons, and just raid or PvP...very few people enjoy the full game anymore.
I'll second that. Internet won!!! I do feel like you missed an opportunity to rant on some of the older systems like Resistance gear! Or how about weapon levelling? "I'm a master with a one-handed sword!!!! Daggers? Nope! I have no idea how to use this. Can't even hit a sleeping turtle."
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I can't speak for all, but I can assure you this is not the case for many of the people I know who play (with the exception of Annie because she refuses to leave), but most of us have tried more modern games and in my case, every new MMORPG i can get my hands on. Yet most of us come back to WoW and are reminded many times over of all the things that WoW has going for it in comparison to the games we left. My last break lasted 4 years and I was almost positive i was done with the game. After pressure from my friends (I owed more than a few of them for talking them into GW2 and that not working out) I decided to come back and so far I can't say i regret it one bit.
The thing to keep in perspective, which the video does not touch on, is that WoW now offers more variances in their content than they used to. It caters to the casual but then there are options for those looking for more of a challenge. Leveling and dungeons are tougher than they used to be, to an extent, and I personally like that their are multiple difficulties to dungeons and raids to include challenges for those with a competitive nature. I have been playing the game on and off for over 8 years now and I can't say that any other MMORPG on the market is able to bring me back so, for me, they are doing some things right and it is not because I am too loyal to ditch the game for a more modern one.
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Obviously this is to liking of great majority of players. Blizzard had to decide to make happy 500.000 of players like you or 7-9 millions. And formula worked. Do I miss something from 9 years ago? Sure I do. Would like to return to "old" times? Nope, I enjoy more now. Wow is great game. When I will not like it any more ... will change game. I suggest you do same.
That level of difficulty is still in the game. Less than 1% of the overall player base ever completed Herioc Garrosh. Perhaps 2 expansions down the road everyone will be able to but that doesn't take away from the accomplishment of having done it when it was live, at least it shouldn't.
See, you're a prime example of my original point. You had the challenge you desired with original A'lar, your guild was successful, you got to savor victory, all should be well but it's not. Your upset by the fact that others can now beat A'lar with minimal effort. Something that affects you in no way 'makes you sick'. Do you understand how irrational that kind of thinking is?
You're not upset because of the difficulty of the game you're experiencing getting lower because it hasn't, as I've just proven with Herioc Garrosh. What upsets you is that there's an easier option for other people so they can see the content if they wish.
Wow used to be one difficulty - hard. Now it has three difficulties - hard, normal, easy. You're upset because the game has normal and easy difficulties despite the fact you don't have to pick them, you can still play the game on hard.
Did this guy really say mists of pandaria is the best expansion ever? The stupidity of that statement devalues his entire video and even your post. Linking that video as something worthy to reflect upon is an insult to all gamers regardless of what they play.
Well look how well Wildstar did. The game aimed at hardcore raiders. No one wants to do that anymore. Do you?
WoW is too easy, but that's what it caters too. We all know that already!
Leveling was never hard. Mob killing was never hard. The tedious feel of classic has been removed, I'm sorry you cherished it so much.
If you really think you're a good player though, go for mythic. I doubt you will.
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People aren't playing Wildstar because of it's absurd lightshow epilepsy inducing combat system, not because it's "too hard."
When it 1st started this was going on.. que's to long.. to hard, takes to long to level blah blah blah.
Now the game is what everyone wanted short que's (expect now) leveling easier.
Like someone said.. Wildstar.. look what happen there.
I know I know its the other guys that wanted easy..
Life is short.. enjoy what it is right now or quit. If it really bothered me I would not be posting here.. World Of Warcraft has its own forums.
No really....just enjoy what it is now
I've seen thoose cheaters in LFR and dungeons, there will always be free riders and I think most ppl like me think its not worth the drama to kick, its 25 man so you dont need all dps. And its impossible to know if someone is a slacker without a dps-meter installed. The last months older raids like TOT was a walk in the park, because SOO geared players farmed it for the cloak.
And he choosed to play a rogue as a class, that sums it all up. If you wanna cheat play a rogue.
It will be interesting to see how that kind of cheaters will survive with the new group finder and flex raiding.
This thread is drama over nothing. If you want it hard, go and play hard heroic/mythic.
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