Since Trion can't even look at the code they are publishing, I imagine that about right now they might wish they hadn't taken this on.
I've seen most of the duping posts on the forums and reddit, but there are also a couple of threads saying the code allowing the exploit has only been around since 1.2. No idea which is true, but imo certainly a great deal of damage has been done - both to the economy and to the mindset of honest players.
What this thread needs is more lighter fluid... there's still some kindling left unburned... you need to make a glorious bon fire and stand back and admire the flames... the glorious flames.
Since Trion can't even look at the code they are publishing, I imagine that about right now they might wish they hadn't taken this on.
I've seen most of the duping posts on the forums and reddit, but there are also a couple of threads saying the code allowing the exploit has only been around since 1.2. No idea which is true, but imo certainly a great deal of damage has been done - both to the economy and to the mindset of honest players.
I totally agree with you Jaedor. It seems like this game has been plagued with problems from the start: long queues preventing folks from getting land from the very start, huge land grabs, exploits galore, the Auroria debacle, introduction of T3 Hasla weapons making crafters furious, introduction of the exploitable racing boxes crashing the thunderstruck economy, unjustified bans, etc. I'm sure there are many more things but these issues that seem to come up the most. I would love to be a fly on the wall at Trion's headquarters.
Right now, our guild is starting to lose players left and right and we are a larger guild on our server. People are pissed and justifiably so. I'm one of those blasted "casual" players one previous poster insulted. I'm probably not going anywhere since I like the game, am content working on my little farm and questing with my hubby. I still have many goals in AA and unfortunately, no other MMO really captures my attention at the moment. We had a number of players in our guild that did know of these exploits though and took advantage. It came back around to bite them in the butt and they got banned. They are crying innocent on the forums but I saw what went on in guild chat and they happily exploited the system to make thousands of gold. It angers me since I'm one of the honest players and my confidence in the game is shaken.
Trion/XL has a mess on their hands and if they continue down this path, imagine the game will crash and burn. It is a shame since AA overall for me is a very enjoyable game----something I can pick away at over a long stretch of time and always have something to do.
I have been waiting since launch of this game to play it, for some reason the game wont launch, problems with hackshield or something. I think hackshield got corrupt when it installed and nothing I do will fix it, been waiting on customer service from trion since launch. They escalated my ticket a month ago or something... Worst customer service ever, haha I have yet to experience all the other problems with the game and it sounds like I should just give up on playing it.
What this thread needs is more lighter fluid... there's still some kindling left unburned... you need to make a glorious bon fire and stand back and admire the flames... the glorious flames.
It's like watching a slow motion train wreck. The engine crashed a while back, we're just watching as the cars go over the washed out bridge, one by one.
It has gotten completely out of Control now.Trion has started Deleting Posts, banning forum accounts of unhappy people posting, they have gone full gestapo damage control mode now.
Heres what has happened, It recently became made aware on the forums that there was an APEX duping bug, and some forum user showed everyone how to do it at the same time as handing out thousands and thousands of gold and giving away his land, hours later everyone started doing it and Apex was disabled.Now for those who don't know, Apex gives you 1250 in game credits, to buy market place items, this is basically worth Real Money.10 dollars a pop
It then came out the This Apex Dupe bug has been in the game since ALPHA! and has been reported repeatedly and nothing done about it,People have been exploiting this for MONTHS the forums were in an uproar and it was just chaos at one stage.Trion has totally silenced anyone and everyone that speaks out about it, (2 of my forum accounts have been banned already in the space of a day)
Then to top it off, the one and only response we get from Trion is that they will rectify ill gotten gains and give 24 hour suspensions to those accounts in question....THAT IS ALL.
This was a slap in the face to every honest hard working ArcheAge player that has spent countless hours making gold the hard way, it was just the final straw.
So the sh!t has hit the fan, everything has fallen apart, this is the final exploit in the coffin of archeage. I am done with it, as so are many people.
APEX was not in game on ALPHA. it was added when game went live, during open beta. and of course they will be deleting posts and threads and be banning forum usage, if a thread comes out with the words "faggot" "worth less fucker" "motherfucking trion" "gay trion", i do not see why these threads should not be banned and users should not be banned. harassing or scamming or griefing other players in game is allowed but nowhere trion mentioned that harassing or bad mouthing trion will be tolerated. i am a frequent forum visitor of AA even if i don't play the game, i am waiting for moronic people to leave who thought AA is for casuals and trion will hold their hands to get them gears. and this is not the nail in the coffin for AA just for the handholding crowd.
Funny, cause I'm a casual waiting for the hard core players to get fed up and leave so I can level in peace. :-)
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When will people understand that Alpha or Beta testers, both players and professionals, know about these things and they keep to themselves until a point the game is LIVE and they gain advantage of it.
They do this ALL THE TIME!
OH AND:
"This action should not impact innocent players who inadvertently traded or auctioned with these accounts."
Which means if they duped the items, bought store items to sell in the market AH, then some sod bought it for little gold... it means he gets to keep it. So yeah, economy is screwed up and tons of people made tons of gold without being directly in touch with the exploit.
This isnt the "final nail" and this game will still be around for years but... It is just another example of Trions poor administration of this game. Prices continue to rise and apex is almost 200 gold on my server now as a result. This will drive more people away from the game and in another month or two there will be server merges. Last night at 9pm eastern only one server showed high population.
People are leaving the game each time Trion screws something up. The next issue I predict will be castle sieges. When guilds recently claimed castles, they received no money and only collected 50% of the taxes each week at that point so they had to soak resources into building the castle. This first time, there will be some sieges but the winners of this first siege get handed the "peace fund" which is the other half of the taxes AND they get the next 50% of the taxes. This means the guilds owning the castles after this first round of sieges will have plenty of gold to bid on their own scroll and there will be very few actual sieges after this first round.
So end-game becomes 100 hours at Hasla, then another 100 hours at GHA and then trade runs to make enough gold to buy the few crafted pieces that are better or the entire guild works together to save thousands of gold to try and buy a castle siege scroll. End-game is weak and not enough to keep all 21 servers afloat. The servers will merge, more people will leave and this will become a very small niche game like Darkfall.
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This isnt the "final nail" and this game will still be around for years but... It is just another example of Trions poor administration of this game. Prices continue to rise and apex is almost 200 gold on my server now as a result. This will drive more people away from the game and in another month or two there will be server merges. Last night at 9pm eastern only one server showed high population.
People are leaving the game each time Trion screws something up. The next issue I predict will be castle sieges. When guilds recently claimed castles, they received no money and only collected 50% of the taxes each week at that point so they had to soak resources into building the castle. This first time, there will be some sieges but the winners of this first siege get handed the "peace fund" which is the other half of the taxes AND they get the next 50% of the taxes. This means the guilds owning the castles after this first round of sieges will have plenty of gold to bid on their own scroll and there will be very few actual sieges after this first round.
So end-game becomes 100 hours at Hasla, then another 100 hours at GHA and then trade runs to make enough gold to buy the few crafted pieces that are better or the entire guild works together to save thousands of gold to try and buy a castle siege scroll. End-game is weak and not enough to keep all 21 servers afloat. The servers will merge, more people will leave and this will become a very small niche game like Darkfall.
Yeah there are people who thinks AA is for them, they can just open their wallet, buy LP pots and win; i am waiting for these morons to leave. they think they can get top quality gears in a month like the handholding themepark game, i am waiting for them to leave. these "casuals" need to leave for AA to thrive.
Funny thing... I bet if you asked Trion, or especially XLGames, they'd tell you that AA is made precisely for the people who subscribe monthly AND open their wallets further, buy LP potions and all the rest. Free players, scrabbling to earn enough gold for a couple of APEX are just there to convince the paying customers to pay more.
By your definition, the "casuals" are exactly who the game is made for... and if they and their credit cards left, there wouldn't be a reason for AA to run at all.
Oh good lord, they were bragging about the fact that they were cheating, LIVE ON TWITCH, and suffered no consequences.
I... I... I just...
I knew things were going to be bad as soon as I saw how they planned to divide paying players and free players. I never would have expected this. IT IS GLORIOUS!
You know, I'm gonna be sad when this game is gone. This is more entertaining that the launch of SWTOR.
This is the best game I ever played and the worst.
Hasla and Dungeons need to offer way less tempting rewards.
Bots and Hackers need to be banned permanently.
Trion needs to fix their infrastructure so that massive connection issues don't plague every important day in Archeage's infancy. If launch and Auroria had been fair, you'd have about 50% less pissed off players.
Main 3 issues that totally destroy what Archeage could have been. I don't even mind the rumbling archeum trees or any of the quasi P2W elements. I just want these three points to be corrected.
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I stopped reading the official AA forums when I could not get past the "OMG ARCHEAGE IS TEH DEVIL IT'S LIKE CANCER RUNNIN' THRU ME" dramas that plague this game almost daily.
I'm playing my character up to about level 30 because I enjoy the story, that's about it. Having said that, I feel bad for so many who have poured blood, sweat and tears into this and are running into a brick wall. All I can say is, either now is the time to get out and head to greener pastures, or hang in there till it's done. IMHO
I ran a couple of exploits on my throw away account just to see what Trion would do, got a 24 hour suspension and they cleared my credits (all exploted creds) but I kept everything I bought in my inventory which lead me to believe what can Trion actually see on this account without logging into it directly. So was there any real investigative work done other than clearing creds?
Gave away all my land and items I got to people that have helped the community on my server and threw my acct away. Had high hopes for the game unfortunately I think Trion stepped on a pile of sh!t and thought they could mold it into something but in the end it was still sh!t.
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Since Trion can't even look at the code they are publishing, I imagine that about right now they might wish they hadn't taken this on.
I've seen most of the duping posts on the forums and reddit, but there are also a couple of threads saying the code allowing the exploit has only been around since 1.2. No idea which is true, but imo certainly a great deal of damage has been done - both to the economy and to the mindset of honest players.
What this thread needs is more lighter fluid... there's still some kindling left unburned... you need to make a glorious bon fire and stand back and admire the flames... the glorious flames.
I totally agree with you Jaedor. It seems like this game has been plagued with problems from the start: long queues preventing folks from getting land from the very start, huge land grabs, exploits galore, the Auroria debacle, introduction of T3 Hasla weapons making crafters furious, introduction of the exploitable racing boxes crashing the thunderstruck economy, unjustified bans, etc. I'm sure there are many more things but these issues that seem to come up the most. I would love to be a fly on the wall at Trion's headquarters.
Right now, our guild is starting to lose players left and right and we are a larger guild on our server. People are pissed and justifiably so. I'm one of those blasted "casual" players one previous poster insulted. I'm probably not going anywhere since I like the game, am content working on my little farm and questing with my hubby. I still have many goals in AA and unfortunately, no other MMO really captures my attention at the moment. We had a number of players in our guild that did know of these exploits though and took advantage. It came back around to bite them in the butt and they got banned. They are crying innocent on the forums but I saw what went on in guild chat and they happily exploited the system to make thousands of gold. It angers me since I'm one of the honest players and my confidence in the game is shaken.
Trion/XL has a mess on their hands and if they continue down this path, imagine the game will crash and burn. It is a shame since AA overall for me is a very enjoyable game----something I can pick away at over a long stretch of time and always have something to do.
It's like watching a slow motion train wreck. The engine crashed a while back, we're just watching as the cars go over the washed out bridge, one by one.
Last one over, turn out the lights LOL
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Funny, cause I'm a casual waiting for the hard core players to get fed up and leave so I can level in peace. :-)
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When will people understand that Alpha or Beta testers, both players and professionals, know about these things and they keep to themselves until a point the game is LIVE and they gain advantage of it.
They do this ALL THE TIME!
OH AND:
"This action should not impact innocent players who inadvertently traded or auctioned with these accounts."
Which means if they duped the items, bought store items to sell in the market AH, then some sod bought it for little gold... it means he gets to keep it. So yeah, economy is screwed up and tons of people made tons of gold without being directly in touch with the exploit.
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This isnt the "final nail" and this game will still be around for years but... It is just another example of Trions poor administration of this game. Prices continue to rise and apex is almost 200 gold on my server now as a result. This will drive more people away from the game and in another month or two there will be server merges. Last night at 9pm eastern only one server showed high population.
People are leaving the game each time Trion screws something up. The next issue I predict will be castle sieges. When guilds recently claimed castles, they received no money and only collected 50% of the taxes each week at that point so they had to soak resources into building the castle. This first time, there will be some sieges but the winners of this first siege get handed the "peace fund" which is the other half of the taxes AND they get the next 50% of the taxes. This means the guilds owning the castles after this first round of sieges will have plenty of gold to bid on their own scroll and there will be very few actual sieges after this first round.
So end-game becomes 100 hours at Hasla, then another 100 hours at GHA and then trade runs to make enough gold to buy the few crafted pieces that are better or the entire guild works together to save thousands of gold to try and buy a castle siege scroll. End-game is weak and not enough to keep all 21 servers afloat. The servers will merge, more people will leave and this will become a very small niche game like Darkfall.
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Funny thing... I bet if you asked Trion, or especially XLGames, they'd tell you that AA is made precisely for the people who subscribe monthly AND open their wallets further, buy LP potions and all the rest. Free players, scrabbling to earn enough gold for a couple of APEX are just there to convince the paying customers to pay more.
By your definition, the "casuals" are exactly who the game is made for... and if they and their credit cards left, there wouldn't be a reason for AA to run at all.
Oh good lord, they were bragging about the fact that they were cheating, LIVE ON TWITCH, and suffered no consequences.
I... I... I just...
I knew things were going to be bad as soon as I saw how they planned to divide paying players and free players. I never would have expected this. IT IS GLORIOUS!
You know, I'm gonna be sad when this game is gone. This is more entertaining that the launch of SWTOR.
This is the best game I ever played and the worst.
Hasla and Dungeons need to offer way less tempting rewards.
Bots and Hackers need to be banned permanently.
Trion needs to fix their infrastructure so that massive connection issues don't plague every important day in Archeage's infancy. If launch and Auroria had been fair, you'd have about 50% less pissed off players.
Main 3 issues that totally destroy what Archeage could have been. I don't even mind the rumbling archeum trees or any of the quasi P2W elements. I just want these three points to be corrected.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I stopped reading the official AA forums when I could not get past the "OMG ARCHEAGE IS TEH DEVIL IT'S LIKE CANCER RUNNIN' THRU ME" dramas that plague this game almost daily.
I'm playing my character up to about level 30 because I enjoy the story, that's about it. Having said that, I feel bad for so many who have poured blood, sweat and tears into this and are running into a brick wall. All I can say is, either now is the time to get out and head to greener pastures, or hang in there till it's done. IMHO
I ran a couple of exploits on my throw away account just to see what Trion would do, got a 24 hour suspension and they cleared my credits (all exploted creds) but I kept everything I bought in my inventory which lead me to believe what can Trion actually see on this account without logging into it directly. So was there any real investigative work done other than clearing creds?
Gave away all my land and items I got to people that have helped the community on my server and threw my acct away. Had high hopes for the game unfortunately I think Trion stepped on a pile of sh!t and thought they could mold it into something but in the end it was still sh!t.
XL Games, something to avoid.