Don't click that link. It'll generate a new page on your browser that can't be closed with a "you have a virus" scam.
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Originally posted by Iselin Don't click that link. It'll generate a new page on your browser that can't be closed with a "you have a virus" scam.
Really? Worked fine for me. I don't get any pop ups.
Using chrome I get a pop-up dead center that when you try to close it, generates the scam extra tab.
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The MMO genre is at a cross roads of going many different ways at the same time. A lot of projects are still in the works. Takes time to build a MMO. The must be like Wow too craze seems to be dying though.
Disagree, in 2005 or so I had 1 choice really in 2014 We have a lot of aaa options that offer differs rent game styles : eve, gw2, eso, Lotr, archage, swtor. the real problem is that pre wildstar every developer tried to remake wow - those days are gone now though I think.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
In my opinion, the genre is beginning to become good.
This year, the last two planned themeparks released, and it seems like the next generation of MMOs will be more multiplayer, offering player interactions and sandbox elements. We still have to wait a bit, but I'm confident that after touching the bottom of the abyss, we can finally make the genre more alive.
Edit: I hope you can paste the content of the article, OP, I'm always fond of different point of views.
Originally posted by laokokothe amount of mmorpg grow from like 500k players to 50 millions. (ya, totally make up numbers)Even though the amount of players is growing, but MMO genre is dying because the games no longer felt like an actual MMO instead of a coop game.
Yep that is 500k what are saying...but then, you make up for 1% only, so why should anyone care?
Originally posted by Bladestrom Disagree, in 2005 or so I had 1 choice really in 2014 We have a lot of aaa options that offer differs rent game styles : eve, gw2, eso, Lotr, archage, swtor. the real problem is that pre wildstar every developer tried to remake wow - those days are gone now though I think.
I agree that the days of the WoW clone are dying....hopefully dead. I play WoW because I like WoW, but I've never really liked a WoW clone. I do think we are also in a weird transition phase that's going to take a couple of years to get through. There's some interesting things on the horizon, but nothing that is super eye popping.
MMOs have had a state of flux since their inception. It's a cycle that has it's ups and downs, we're just in a down point.
Classical MMO is dying .... new modern MMO that includes MOBAs, of course, are flourishing.
so true, I think LOL beat WOW in revenues this year.
LOL apparently came after the orginal DotA, which was a mod of blilzzards-warcraft frozen throne. Now blizzard is coming with Heroes of The Storm, to battle LOL the mutant clone of DotA.
DotA having not recieved recognition from its mother, transformed into DOTA2 and now has joined the fray and battles with its own mother and mutant brother in a battle for the hearts of gamers world wide.
Originally posted by Quirhid These threads need to have a place of their own. A sticky thread for doom & gloom. Or they should be locked outright.
Is someone forcing you to open them? Seriously where do people like you come from? Soviet Russia? Not being able to discuss the outlook of the MMO genre on an MMO website is absurd. If you know you won't like a topic by reading the title don't open it, problem solved.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Disagree, in 2005 or so I had 1 choice really in 2014 We have a lot of aaa options that offer differs rent game styles : eve, gw2, eso, Lotr, archage, swtor. the real problem is that pre wildstar every developer tried to remake wow - those days are gone now though I think.
I agree that the days of the WoW clone are dying....hopefully dead. I play WoW because I like WoW, but I've never really liked a WoW clone. I do think we are also in a weird transition phase that's going to take a couple of years to get through. There's some interesting things on the horizon, but nothing that is super eye popping.
MMOs have had a state of flux since their inception. It's a cycle that has it's ups and downs, we're just in a down point.
News flash, WoW is a clone of what came before it. Everything is a clone but for the first. Till we get new tech or a new way to play games, in a large way MMOs will all have core parts of their game that you could point at and say, this has been done before. Saying WoW clone is now just a "Generic Label" thats lost all meaning. The same could be said of every game type. Shooters are all Doom clones.
Originally posted by Viper482 Is someone forcing you to open them? Seriously where do people like you come from? Soviet Russia? Not being able to discuss the outlook of the MMO genre on an MMO website is absurd. If you know you won't like a topic by reading the title don't open it, problem solved.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Disagree, in 2005 or so I had 1 choice really in 2014 We have a lot of aaa options that offer differs rent game styles : eve, gw2, eso, Lotr, archage, swtor. the real problem is that pre wildstar every developer tried to remake wow - those days are gone now though I think.
I agree that the days of the WoW clone are dying....hopefully dead. I play WoW because I like WoW, but I've never really liked a WoW clone. I do think we are also in a weird transition phase that's going to take a couple of years to get through. There's some interesting things on the horizon, but nothing that is super eye popping.
MMOs have had a state of flux since their inception. It's a cycle that has it's ups and downs, we're just in a down point.
News flash, WoW is a clone of what came before it. Everything is a clone but for the first. Till we get new tech or a new way to play games, in a large way MMOs will all have core parts of their game that you could point at and say, this has been done before. Saying WoW clone is now just a "Generic Label" thats lost all meaning. The same could be said of every game type. Shooters are all Doom clones.
Agreed, but wow this horse is so dead. People talk up WoW as if it invented the genre, but it did revolutionize it....in a bad way if you ask me.
Is someone forcing you to open them? Seriously where do people like you come from? Soviet Russia? Not being able to discuss the outlook of the MMO genre on an MMO website is absurd. If you know you won't like a topic by reading the title don't open it, problem solved.
Spam is generally considered as undesirable.
And exactly what is your definition of spam? Any topic that has been discussed before? If this guy searched and replied to a thread on this topic from a year ago you same people would be reporting him for necro thread posting. Just because you don't want to see a certain topic does not make it spam.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Disagree, in 2005 or so I had 1 choice really in 2014 We have a lot of aaa options that offer differs rent game styles : eve, gw2, eso, Lotr, archage, swtor. the real problem is that pre wildstar every developer tried to remake wow - those days are gone now though I think.
I agree that the days of the WoW clone are dying....hopefully dead. I play WoW because I like WoW, but I've never really liked a WoW clone. I do think we are also in a weird transition phase that's going to take a couple of years to get through. There's some interesting things on the horizon, but nothing that is super eye popping.
MMOs have had a state of flux since their inception. It's a cycle that has it's ups and downs, we're just in a down point.
News flash, WoW is a clone of what came before it. Everything is a clone but for the first. Till we get new tech or a new way to play games, in a large way MMOs will all have core parts of their game that you could point at and say, this has been done before. Saying WoW clone is now just a "Generic Label" thats lost all meaning. The same could be said of every game type. Shooters are all Doom clones.
Sure WoW copied basically what EQ did and pretty much stole the core of the UI layout from Asheron's Call 2, but WoW became the driving force for ALL mmo design for what...nearly the last 10 years? Many if not all mmos post 2004 up until about 2011-12 were straight up clones of what WoW did to the genre and made little to no attempt to actually change anything about the format. WoW clone is still a pretty apt phrase when describing that style of mmo.
It doesn't necessarily take new tech for a game to not be a direct copy of another either. I wouldn't call GW2 a WoW Clone. Asheron's Call 1 was a pretty unique game for it's time, and I haven't seen anyone "clone" that game, at least not in a AAA fashion.
I also wouldn't say shooters are Doom clones, if you want to bring that up. Shooters have evolved considerably to the point where there are a ton of RPG elements to the genre. Doom might be a common ancestor for all modern shooters, but to say shooters are doom clones is just silly.
Originally posted by Quirhid These threads need to have a place of their own. A sticky thread for doom & gloom. Or they should be locked outright.
That would be nice. I think if people want to discuss a subject, they shouldn't just drop a single line or a link then leave. They should, before hitting POST MESSAGE, discuss the things they want to talk about the matter. Stop with the hit and run technique.
Alternatively, they could post just a link if the thread title has an FYI in it and they don't want to discuss the subject. And FYI posts should get a sub-forum for people to easily find them (AKA, keep that trash out of THE PUB).
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I do hate wow for the whole questing to level thing. Before wow, quests were actually meaningful, such as for a special rare item or for a class and so on. Other than that you were forced to grind solo or with others.
Since I didn't get a chance to read the article I'm going to pretend that it was an article telling MMO gamers to stiffen their quivering lips and to use a tissue. I hope it points to various statistics that shows the industry is indeed growing, and to remind people that claim that EQ was the pinnacle of MMO gaming to look out how LOTRO, what most have branded as a WoW clone, is beating it in a popularity contest. Does that make LOTRO better? No, but it shows that the majority prefer the WoW formula, which is far from dying anytime soon.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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Really? Worked fine for me. I don't get any pop ups.
Using chrome I get a pop-up dead center that when you try to close it, generates the scam extra tab.
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Same.
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I get the center ad, when mine just shows test your internet speed and closes out. Not sure, probably crappy use of ad network.
You could just copy-paste it with credits to author.
MMOs aren't dying...
You don't have to read it.
the amount of mmorpg grow from like 500k players to 50 millions. (ya, totally make up numbers)
Even though the amount of players is growing, but MMO genre is dying because the games no longer felt like an actual MMO instead of a coop game.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
In my opinion, the genre is beginning to become good.
This year, the last two planned themeparks released, and it seems like the next generation of MMOs will be more multiplayer, offering player interactions and sandbox elements. We still have to wait a bit, but I'm confident that after touching the bottom of the abyss, we can finally make the genre more alive.
Edit: I hope you can paste the content of the article, OP, I'm always fond of different point of views.
Classical MMO is dying .... new modern MMO that includes MOBAs, of course, are flourishing.
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Yep that is 500k what are saying...but then, you make up for 1% only, so why should anyone care?
I agree that the days of the WoW clone are dying....hopefully dead. I play WoW because I like WoW, but I've never really liked a WoW clone. I do think we are also in a weird transition phase that's going to take a couple of years to get through. There's some interesting things on the horizon, but nothing that is super eye popping.
MMOs have had a state of flux since their inception. It's a cycle that has it's ups and downs, we're just in a down point.
so true, I think LOL beat WOW in revenues this year.
LOL apparently came after the orginal DotA, which was a mod of blilzzards-warcraft frozen throne. Now blizzard is coming with Heroes of The Storm, to battle LOL the mutant clone of DotA.
DotA having not recieved recognition from its mother, transformed into DOTA2 and now has joined the fray and battles with its own mother and mutant brother in a battle for the hearts of gamers world wide.
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Is someone forcing you to open them? Seriously where do people like you come from? Soviet Russia? Not being able to discuss the outlook of the MMO genre on an MMO website is absurd. If you know you won't like a topic by reading the title don't open it, problem solved.
News flash, WoW is a clone of what came before it. Everything is a clone but for the first. Till we get new tech or a new way to play games, in a large way MMOs will all have core parts of their game that you could point at and say, this has been done before. Saying WoW clone is now just a "Generic Label" thats lost all meaning. The same could be said of every game type. Shooters are all Doom clones.
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Agreed, but wow this horse is so dead. People talk up WoW as if it invented the genre, but it did revolutionize it....in a bad way if you ask me.
And exactly what is your definition of spam? Any topic that has been discussed before? If this guy searched and replied to a thread on this topic from a year ago you same people would be reporting him for necro thread posting. Just because you don't want to see a certain topic does not make it spam.
Sure WoW copied basically what EQ did and pretty much stole the core of the UI layout from Asheron's Call 2, but WoW became the driving force for ALL mmo design for what...nearly the last 10 years? Many if not all mmos post 2004 up until about 2011-12 were straight up clones of what WoW did to the genre and made little to no attempt to actually change anything about the format. WoW clone is still a pretty apt phrase when describing that style of mmo.
It doesn't necessarily take new tech for a game to not be a direct copy of another either. I wouldn't call GW2 a WoW Clone. Asheron's Call 1 was a pretty unique game for it's time, and I haven't seen anyone "clone" that game, at least not in a AAA fashion.
I also wouldn't say shooters are Doom clones, if you want to bring that up. Shooters have evolved considerably to the point where there are a ton of RPG elements to the genre. Doom might be a common ancestor for all modern shooters, but to say shooters are doom clones is just silly.
That would be nice. I think if people want to discuss a subject, they shouldn't just drop a single line or a link then leave. They should, before hitting POST MESSAGE, discuss the things they want to talk about the matter. Stop with the hit and run technique.
Alternatively, they could post just a link if the thread title has an FYI in it and they don't want to discuss the subject. And FYI posts should get a sub-forum for people to easily find them (AKA, keep that trash out of THE PUB).
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
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