LOTRO has the best storyline of any MMO I have played. For example, I am investigating why a village in Wildermore is completely empty now on one of my alts. Another character is helping the Dunedain reclaim their ancestral homelands in Evendim, and another is defending the North Downs from an orc invasion coming out of Angmar. I have also played other games such as ESO, GW2, Rift, and WoW, and none have stood up to it in this aspect imo.
It also has tons of things that I can do. I can run instances (traditional, BB, and skirmishes), do warbands and roving threats on the landscape, PvP, or roll another alt.
i definitely think LOTRO deserves to beat out Wow (and Eve) even though it has its fair share of problems.
Now onto Eve. I think it looks beautiful, and the world is huge. However, it has a way to slow pace and the music makes me take off my headphones. There are a lot of great things about Eve, but I dont play it anymore.
And both LOTRO and WoW blew out all previous competition, so its not like WoW haters are such a majority to skew the vote.
I personally voted ESO for the simple fact that that is the game I played to endgame.
While TSW is excellent, I think it fills somewhat of niche that just does not apply to me.
My personal experience was that I was being bombarded with puzzles, etc. Some are great, but it became somewhat boring.
I really like the three faction pvp, and I enjoy the progression to some extent in TSW. I also enjoy the story telling.
On the Eso side, World PVP froze up for me when multiple players where on screen. While it did not happen for everyone, this basically broke my one major reason for subbing. This was even before the servers moved. I will be subbing again in the new year.
ESO is not perfect, and needs more epic Aylied ruins, and also some more PVPz, but they are actually making major changes which suits me well.
Originally posted by Krematory It seems like the winner will be a bland WoW clone that nobody plays anymore. This poll is a joke...
Got a good chuckle from every LOTRO misconception strung together.
Bland: If you're a PvE/RP player, LOTRO is the top game for you, deep lore, involving, unfolding epic, classic locations, massive, open world, unparallelled cosmetics for both player and horse.
WoW Clone: Idiot comment, since they were in development at the same time. Honestly, get a clue. Other than killing mobs with weapons, there is nothing at all similar between the two games.
Nobody plays it: Uhn-uh. Clearly, people do. LOTRO has gained players (I know because I can see the new players on my server asking new player questions) and the Epic Battles (or BBs in LOTRO parlance) have gained a lot of adherents. Turbine's decision to stop catering to the small raider population has allowed them to find better ways to reward players for playing more open, accessible content. Casual? You bet. It's possible to play LOTRO a few hours a day and still get good gear and progress into more difficult and group content.
Players have cycled through all the newest stuff, spent time in the super hyped games and realized that the game they are looking for is LOTRO. Excellent community, decent crafting, truly awesome cosmetics system, superb lore, wonderful soundtrack, different classes and races, incredibly beautiful landscape, player music system, multiply ways to progress, war-steeds, mounted combat, skirmishes, big battles, scaling dungeons and raids, housing, weapon building and flexibility, dual-speccing classes.
Does it have decent PvP? Nope. If you're a PvPer, LOTRO is not for you. Creeps and Freeps whack at each other on the Moors, but LOTRO never was built for PvP (primarily because it's against the license, The Free Peoples do not fight the other Free Peoples in the Epic.) Do people PvP on the Moors? Yup, there's a strong PvP community, both Creeps and Freeps, in LOTRO, but it is small and there's only the Moors to battle over. They are generally not happy with their fate, but for some reason, they just keep coming back and PvPing in LOTRO.
Are there raiders? Yes, some kins still raid in LOTRO. There are significant 12-man dungeons that scale, making them still challenging to do at level cap. The BBs have 6-man versions, which require close, well coordinated strategy to succeed at.
Perhaps you don't play LOTRO or considered it unworthy of your time, but for many gamers, LOTRO is home base, a friendly, open world easy to get in to and rewarding to master. It won against Aion, EQ, and WoW so far. There's only one common element here, the game itself.
Originally posted by Krematory It seems like the winner will be a bland WoW clone that nobody plays anymore. This poll is a joke...
Got a good chuckle from every LOTRO misconception strung together.
Bland: If you're a PvE/RP player, LOTRO is the top game for you, deep lore, involving, unfolding epic, classic locations, massive, open world, unparallelled cosmetics for both player and horse.
WoW Clone: Idiot comment, since they were in development at the same time. Honestly, get a clue. Other than killing mobs with weapons, there is nothing at all similar between the two games.
Nobody plays it: Uhn-uh. Clearly, people do. LOTRO has gained players (I know because I can see the new players on my server asking new player questions) and the Epic Battles (or BBs in LOTRO parlance) have gained a lot of adherents. Turbine's decision to stop catering to the small raider population has allowed them to find better ways to reward players for playing more open, accessible content. Casual? You bet. It's possible to play LOTRO a few hours a day and still get good gear and progress into more difficult and group content.
Players have cycled through all the newest stuff, spent time in the super hyped games and realized that the game they are looking for is LOTRO. Excellent community, decent crafting, truly awesome cosmetics system, superb lore, wonderful soundtrack, different classes and races, incredibly beautiful landscape, player music system, multiply ways to progress, war-steeds, mounted combat, skirmishes, big battles, scaling dungeons and raids, housing, weapon building and flexibility, dual-speccing classes.
Does it have decent PvP? Nope. If you're a PvPer, LOTRO is not for you. Creeps and Freeps whack at each other on the Moors, but LOTRO never was built for PvP (primarily because it's against the license, The Free Peoples do not fight the other Free Peoples in the Epic.) Do people PvP on the Moors? Yup, there's a strong PvP community, both Creeps and Freeps, in LOTRO, but it is small and there's only the Moors to battle over. They are generally not happy with their fate, but for some reason, they just keep coming back and PvPing in LOTRO.
Are there raiders? Yes, some kins still raid in LOTRO. There are significant 12-man dungeons that scale, making them still challenging to do at level cap. The BBs have 6-man versions, which require close, well coordinated strategy to succeed at.
Perhaps you don't play LOTRO or considered it unworthy of your time, but for many gamers, LOTRO is home base, a friendly, open world easy to get in to and rewarding to master. It won against Aion, EQ, and WoW so far. There's only one common element here, the game itself.
Well, it is known that what it was to be Middle Earth Online (or something like that), turned into LotRO after WoW's success. So yeah, they went after a themepark when all there was planed in the beggining was a sandbox. Ofc, there are differences, and even some strong points (RP, as you said. I always liked the music system).
I've played it some months, and while it's not terrible it doesn't compare well with other titles either. I don't know about the population right now, but back when I played, the world felt empty, even in big cities. In fact, I bet the game would be dead by now if it wasn't for the fantastic IP they're using. Other than that, the combat doesn't feel very nice, enviroments look boring, and dungeons no near as satisfying as in other themepark games.
Like I said, I don't think it's terrible. It's just not the best.
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
This is ridiculous, how can there be so much people that completly ignore the goods and bads of each game here?
LOTRO is an ancient game, we agree to that, is a good game, we can agree to that too. What else do we have here? One of the best classic MMORPGs out there, based on one of the most successful fantasy novels of all time that has been the father of all the other fantasy stories out there. Yeah good and all but the game itself? Can you really compare that to the constant evolution of a pure themepark/sandbox game like EVE?
LOTRO is simple: create a character, level up, go dungeons and get some gear, do end level things like more dungeons or pvp, THE END. Graphics are meh, effects are meh, quests are ridiculously basic and square shaped, its monotonous (like most classic rpgs). Recommended if you are a fan of tolkien... but then again it isnt that precise... the game mechanics are simple, its an old game that remained old. I dont even know why WoW isnt here instead of LOTRO (Thank you fans and haters for your terrible criticizing skills).
EVE is not that simple: create a character, find whatever you want to do (mining, pvp, missions, factional war, manufacturing, industry, planet industry, stealing, scamming, exploring, analizing, hacking, building), try to find whatever you prefer and specialize in one of tha many things the previously mentioned things are divided in, find your style, rank up the skills needed, after 6 months trying all that stuff you are still a newbie in the game.
The content is humongous, the system and mechanics are carefully made to avoid silly exploits or unbalances, it's one server with the unique feature of time dilation (which reduces the time scale to lessen the effect of lag in the server, allowing hundreds of players in one place doing something without making it crash).
There is a university there even, you want to play casual? You can. You want to learn about the game mechanics and become a boss on it? You can. And after that? After a year and half playing? You still havent reached 50% of the content (that is... if you are not a genious businessman... then you only need the time for the skills). You can go to other space completly owned by players, ran by players, ruled by players, built by players. In more than 5000 solar systems.
"bad" side? its p2p, but after a while it wont really matter since you can buy an item ingame with ingame currency that gives you play time, so once you spent some time in there you can just buy that and forget about the monthly fees. (For those cheapskates out there, just pay one month, grab the 21 days trial and you'll be fine for one of those items at once just playing, plenty of time to enjoy the game itself aswell)
Graphics? Maybe low in areas released in 2007 but recent ones? You won't experience those on Ultra Hight settings with two years old PC. Quests being basic and monotonous? Well thats another thing that shows you didn't make it through 30 levels.
And then - how being basic (as a total) is a disadvantage of the game? Accordingly to polls people prefer simple LotRO than overcomplicated EVE. Football is also much less complicated than figure skating and see how many people know Ronaldo and compare the number to Adielina Sotnikowa fans
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
Is it wrong for me to say that all four of those should win? Honestly, I've subscribed to them all at some point and could rotate through them very easily all year.
Hell... I could probably keep a subscription going for each and not feel bad about it.
Awnnnn!! How beautiful it is to see the MMO community come out on this exciting season of Christmas, hand in hand, singing carols and being nice to each other. Why do you always have to fight together, it's always a matter of taste and opinion. Here are facts and not opinions:
1) Merdian 59 is the mother of mmos (ni their form today), not UO or EQ.
2) EQ is the father of mmos, it is what brought mmos to the surface and made it possible for any mmo today to exist in our economy, it's the DnD of ONLINE role playing games.
3) UO is the mother (gave birth) to pvp and DAoC is the father (who trained and perfected) of pvp.
4) SWG is the father of popular settings mmos.
5) WoW is the Walmart of mmos, cheap but appeals to the mass market (not necessarily a bad thing).
6) WAR brought the achievement system to the mmo market, which is now a big part of mmos.
7) Guild wars was a great game, but cannot be compared to these other titles because of it's model.
7) ESO, LOTRO, SWOTR, Rift, Guild Wars 2, AoC, Vanguard, TSW, AC, EQII, Runescape, all had some kind of impact on the mmo community but nothing too major. I do not mean to insult any of these games, I actually play most of them, I just mean that they did not change anything about the gaming world.
Now, any other than these above facts is opinion and we live in a world where difference is beauty, so accept the fact that not everyone will agree or feel the same as you do, and embrace the friendly competition and stop fighting.
Happy Holidays everyone (Let the flaming begin!) lol
Originally posted by LiquidWolf Is it wrong for me to say that all four of those should win? Honestly, I've subscribed to them all at some point and could rotate through them very easily all year.
Hell... I could probably keep a subscription going for each and not feel bad about it.
I agree with you, all 4 of these games deserve to win.
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
All of us are voting that is kinda of the point... The thing we are not doing is making more than one account. In fact people in our community would not take kindly to other people who do that.
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Huh what? I only see TSW players acting as mature people... What evidence do you have of the opposite? We actually have many evidence regarding *some* ESO players...
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
First, I call it bullshit, you have no idea how many votes are there so far. Second, what if it's 2000, what the hell, what is the problem with that? We have far more than 2000 active players.
And how can we not deny it? Even if *someone* is creating several accounts how the hell would we know that? I know for sure I am not creating any account.
PS: You're also forgetting about people that are not fans of either game, but will still vote for one of them.
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Huh what? I only see TSW players acting as mature people... What evidence do you have of the opposite? We actually have many evidence regarding *some* ESO players...
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
First, I call it bullshit, you have no idea how many votes are there so far. Second, what if it's 2000, what the hell, what is the problem with that? We have far more than 2000 active players.
I hadn't even read the 2000 player thing correctly. That would only be a small part of the TSW fanbase so then his point would indeed be moot.
Also stop marking my posts as spam it's pointless and immature.
First of all, you are right I have no idea how many votes there are. I might be wrong. But don't make me laugh there is perhaps 10k monthly users on TSW side..I've played it, I know how empty it is..
Also what proof do I need, when you are acting like a spoiled immature kid? You are ruining your own community respect, and sadly I just don't have time for this "bullshit" anymore.
I mean you don't even have to be genious to know that someone that is either TSW fan or just ESO hater is voting massively, TSW in a fair fight wouldn't even have a chance getting through the 1st round..No need to lie to yourself.. I'd be fine if the community admited they are mass voting, because everyone can see that, you are just ruining your reputation more and more. Also it's fine really, without the mass voting you'd never be competitive, I can appreciate that you have a VERY dedicated fanbase.
PS: you need to see a doctor, I didn't even know there is a spam button. Nor do I ever bother to use it.
1) Our playerbase being a lot more dedicated doesn't necessarily mean that we are mass voting, but we probably have a lot bigger percentage of our total playerbase voting than you have.
2) ESO's playerbase isn't necessarily as big as you think it is. Stop being cocky.
TL:DR; Go cry somewhere else Noone here has encouraged mass voting and I know I never would. I would rather let ESO win than sink that low.
EVE and LotRO? Personally, I'd vote LotRO because I'm Fantasy geek. But EVE got my vote.
Wait, what?
This makes no sense.
This is why we can't have nice things.
I put that down to too much egg nog.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Awnnnn!! How beautiful it is to see the MMO community come out on this exciting season of Christmas, hand in hand, singing carols and being nice to each other. Why do you always have to fight together, it's always a matter of taste and opinion. Here are facts and not opinions:
1) Merdian 59 is the mother of mmos (ni their form today), not UO or EQ.
2) EQ is the father of mmos, it is what brought mmos to the surface and made it possible for any mmo today to exist in our economy, it's the DnD of ONLINE role playing games.
3) UO is the mother (gave birth) to pvp and DAoC is the father (who trained and perfected) of pvp.
4) SWG is the father of popular settings mmos.
5) WoW is the Walmart of mmos, cheap but appeals to the mass market (not necessarily a bad thing).
6) WAR brought the achievement system to the mmo market, which is now a big part of mmos.
7) Guild wars was a great game, but cannot be compared to these other titles because of it's model.
7) ESO, LOTRO, SWOTR, Rift, Guild Wars 2, AoC, Vanguard, TSW, AC, EQII, Runescape, all had some kind of impact on the mmo community but nothing too major. I do not mean to insult any of these games, I actually play most of them, I just mean that they did not change anything about the gaming world.
Now, any other than these above facts is opinion and we live in a world where difference is beauty, so accept the fact that not everyone will agree or feel the same as you do, and embrace the friendly competition and stop fighting.
Happy Holidays everyone (Let the flaming begin!) lol
I'm glad someone else remembers that... and don't forget dynamic events (a.k.a. public quests.) As far as I'm aware that was another first for them.
Additionally, they spiced up the healing game significantly with both the Archmage/Shaman for healing self and others off anged damage dealt and the Warrior Priest/Disciple of Khain for healing off melee damage dealt. Both of those ideas were also adopted by Rift.
WAR doesn't get a lot of respect because many aspects of it were mishandled and it eventually crashed and burnt, but they deserve credit for innovation at least.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Huh what? I only see TSW players acting as mature people... What evidence do you have of the opposite? We actually have many evidence regarding *some* ESO players...
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
First, I call it bullshit, you have no idea how many votes are there so far. Second, what if it's 2000, what the hell, what is the problem with that? We have far more than 2000 active players.
First of all, you are right I have no idea how many votes there are. I might be wrong. But don't make me laugh there is perhaps 10k monthly users on TSW side..I've played it, I know how empty it is..
Also what proof do I need, when you are acting like a spoiled immature kid? You are ruining your own community respect, and sadly I just don't have time for this "bullshit" anymore.
I mean you don't even have to be genious to know that someone that is either TSW fan or just ESO hater is voting massively, TSW in a fair fight wouldn't even have a chance getting through the 1st round..No need to lie to yourself.. I'd be fine if the community admited they are mass voting, because everyone can see that, you are just ruining your reputation more and more. Also it's fine really, without the mass voting you'd never be competitive, I can appreciate that you have a VERY dedicated fanbase.
PS: you need to see a doctor, I didn't even know there is a spam button. Nor do I ever bother to use it.
Seriously, you are getting all prissy over a popularity contest and crying over which part of a game community decides to cast a vote?
And on top of that, you get belligerent and insult people? If you are wondering which reputation is getting tarnished here, it isn't TSW's.....
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Huh what? I only see TSW players acting as mature people... What evidence do you have of the opposite? We actually have many evidence regarding *some* ESO players...
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
First, I call it bullshit, you have no idea how many votes are there so far. Second, what if it's 2000, what the hell, what is the problem with that? We have far more than 2000 active players.
First of all, you are right I have no idea how many votes there are. I might be wrong. But don't make me laugh there is perhaps 10k monthly users on TSW side..I've played it, I know how empty it is..
Also what proof do I need, when you are acting like a spoiled immature kid? You are ruining your own community respect, and sadly I just don't have time for this "bullshit" anymore.
I mean you don't even have to be genious to know that someone that is either TSW fan or just ESO hater is voting massively, TSW in a fair fight wouldn't even have a chance getting through the 1st round..No need to lie to yourself.. I'd be fine if the community admited they are mass voting, because everyone can see that, you are just ruining your reputation more and more. Also it's fine really, without the mass voting you'd never be competitive, I can appreciate that you have a VERY dedicated fanbase.
PS: you need to see a doctor, I didn't even know there is a spam button. Nor do I ever bother to use it.
You have spent this entire vote effectively slandering the entire TSW community, both here and on your own forums. You have accused us of ballot stuffing, multi-accounting and breaking the ToS of the vote. At no point have you ever provided any actually verifiable evidence for anything you have claimed. At the very least, Neizir has the balls to admit when he has made a mistake.
And you find it necessary to now descend to personal attacks on one of the most highly regarded members of the TSW community. Speaking of ruining reputations, I somewhat doubt that anyone who plays ESO and has seen your conduct would want to even admit to being in the same community as you.
You want to talk about bullshit and needing to see a doctor? Go take a look in a mirror.
Awnnnn!! How beautiful it is to see the MMO community come out on this exciting season of Christmas, hand in hand, singing carols and being nice to each other. Why do you always have to fight together, it's always a matter of taste and opinion. Here are facts and not opinions:
1) Merdian 59 is the mother of mmos (ni their form today), not UO or EQ.
2) EQ is the father of mmos, it is what brought mmos to the surface and made it possible for any mmo today to exist in our economy, it's the DnD of ONLINE role playing games.
3) UO is the mother (gave birth) to pvp and DAoC is the father (who trained and perfected) of pvp.
4) SWG is the father of popular settings mmos.
5) WoW is the Walmart of mmos, cheap but appeals to the mass market (not necessarily a bad thing).
6) WAR brought the achievement system to the mmo market, which is now a big part of mmos.
7) Guild wars was a great game, but cannot be compared to these other titles because of it's model.
7) ESO, LOTRO, SWOTR, Rift, Guild Wars 2, AoC, Vanguard, TSW, AC, EQII, Runescape, all had some kind of impact on the mmo community but nothing too major. I do not mean to insult any of these games, I actually play most of them, I just mean that they did not change anything about the gaming world.
Now, any other than these above facts is opinion and we live in a world where difference is beauty, so accept the fact that not everyone will agree or feel the same as you do, and embrace the friendly competition and stop fighting.
Happy Holidays everyone (Let the flaming begin!) lol
I'm glad someone else remembers that... and don't forget dynamic events (a.k.a. public quests.) As far as I'm aware that was another first for them.
Additionally, they spiced up the healing game significantly with both the Archmage/Shaman for healing self and others off anged damage dealt and the Warrior Priest/Disciple of Khain for healing off melee damage dealt. Both of those ideas were also adopted by Rift.
WAR doesn't get a lot of respect because many aspects of it were mishandled and it eventually crashed and burnt, but they deserve credit for innovation at least.
Yeh, if EQ2 and Warhammer Online had a bastard love child, it was Rift. I can always tell when people entered the genre and on which copied content they base opinions by the little mistakes they make in descriptions of their game experiences. This isn't saying you have, just an expressed thought.
Like M59, calling it an mmo is putting the carriage before the horse. The term was coined by UO's creator, and UO was nothing like M59 except that it was multiplayer, fantasy online. Why aren't we calling Neverwinter Nights the first MMORPG from 91 on aol? M59 was the progenitor of EQ, not so much UO.
I mean you don't even have to be genious to know that someone that is either TSW fan or just ESO hater is voting massively, TSW in a fair fight wouldn't even have a chance getting through the 1st round..No need to lie to yourself.. I'd be fine if the community admited they are mass voting, because everyone can see that, you are just ruining your reputation more and more. Also it's fine really, without the mass voting you'd never be competitive, I can appreciate that you have a VERY dedicated fanbase.
PS: you need to see a doctor, I didn't even know there is a spam button. Nor do I ever bother to use it.
You are so not worth wasting my time on, but your despiration is amusing so I'll bite. First off all my doctor said I am doing just fine, thank you. Also the spam button part was not even aimed at you, but thanks for replying to that in a decent way. Also I love how you keep undestimating the size of the TSW community. And also if you bring me any kind of legit proof I will refrain from posting here and spread your message even inside of the TSW community itself. Thing is that you are just spreading nasty rumors without any kind of proof what-so-ever and that is what bothers me.
I agree with you, all 4 of these games deserve to win
However TSW is losing some major credibility with each passing day. I've actually wrote many nice topics about them, but hell you keep finding so many terrible people, and they're acting to have a mature community?
Yes I tested it with my friends how many votes there have been, I can back it up with them easily. Tell me though how can whole TSW community deny mass voting when they got 2000 votes so far? I'm truly disgusted by each passing day by the certain people in their community, hell ESO is not perfect either, but at least we wouldn't deny such a mass voting. You kicked out games like guild wars 2 with this specific dirty tactics and you keep denying, what the hell. I've played TSW for more than a year, community that I remember of, was way better back then.
In what way is TSW losing credibility? Except for being accused of bot using, spamcreating accounts (which still is bollocks, frankly)
or being accused that devs and CMs are sending e-mails (what gladly got debunked) in what possible way does TSW lose credibility?
Also your method is as believable as this CM sending e-mail crap or the unreliable "IP tracking" nonsense(yeah right.). As long as your counts doesn't get any confirmation by MMORPG's team i will call that method complete rubbish. ESO is not perfect either? Uhm we have no promotion of using of spamcreating multiple accounts on our forum opposed to ESO http://puu.sh/dI0FD/99b4c0c162.png (p4) or anyone calling out regular ads as blatant usage http://puu.sh/dI0Jm/1ed4376724.png (same page and yes, it's the same person. doesn't change it)
Even further while not having any kind of proof for anything (don't get to the point of 'I have friend which can confirm this!', we kinda already had that with CM topic.) you keep insulting an entire community for ToS violating stuff and even further you are personally insulting other people. Topic CM is done for me, he gave an apology and that's fine, shit happens, but as long as you keep being such an unreliable insulting prick, i am pretty sure that you give a perfect deterrent example of TESO's community and i am not sure whether your community actually want someone like you here or in your own forums.
Finally, the thing is that you appear to not be a troll and that's just sad for TESO's community and for anyone around you basically.
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Well, I play LOTRO and played Eve, and Il answer.
LOTRO has the best storyline of any MMO I have played. For example, I am investigating why a village in Wildermore is completely empty now on one of my alts. Another character is helping the Dunedain reclaim their ancestral homelands in Evendim, and another is defending the North Downs from an orc invasion coming out of Angmar. I have also played other games such as ESO, GW2, Rift, and WoW, and none have stood up to it in this aspect imo.
It also has tons of things that I can do. I can run instances (traditional, BB, and skirmishes), do warbands and roving threats on the landscape, PvP, or roll another alt.
And I think the graphics are a little bit more than meh: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?561221-A-Scenic-Middle-Earth
i definitely think LOTRO deserves to beat out Wow (and Eve) even though it has its fair share of problems.
Now onto Eve. I think it looks beautiful, and the world is huge. However, it has a way to slow pace and the music makes me take off my headphones. There are a lot of great things about Eve, but I dont play it anymore.
And both LOTRO and WoW blew out all previous competition, so its not like WoW haters are such a majority to skew the vote.
Now Merry Christmas and a toast to opinions.
It might seem that our now 31 page thread would indicate an inordinate focus on this competition. However, we are far more interested in Scandinavia https://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=61338 (68 pages) , cute things that are not spiders https://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=81690 (63 pages) and far and way most important - clothing https://forums.thesecretworld.com/showthread.php?t=69677 (193 pages)
That looks fun Pounder. Why the long face?
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
He's just horsing around as usual.
I personally voted ESO for the simple fact that that is the game I played to endgame.
While TSW is excellent, I think it fills somewhat of niche that just does not apply to me.
My personal experience was that I was being bombarded with puzzles, etc. Some are great, but it became somewhat boring.
I really like the three faction pvp, and I enjoy the progression to some extent in TSW. I also enjoy the story telling.
On the Eso side, World PVP froze up for me when multiple players where on screen. While it did not happen for everyone, this basically broke my one major reason for subbing. This was even before the servers moved. I will be subbing again in the new year.
ESO is not perfect, and needs more epic Aylied ruins, and also some more PVPz, but they are actually making major changes which suits me well.
Got a good chuckle from every LOTRO misconception strung together.
Bland: If you're a PvE/RP player, LOTRO is the top game for you, deep lore, involving, unfolding epic, classic locations, massive, open world, unparallelled cosmetics for both player and horse.
WoW Clone: Idiot comment, since they were in development at the same time. Honestly, get a clue. Other than killing mobs with weapons, there is nothing at all similar between the two games.
Nobody plays it: Uhn-uh. Clearly, people do. LOTRO has gained players (I know because I can see the new players on my server asking new player questions) and the Epic Battles (or BBs in LOTRO parlance) have gained a lot of adherents. Turbine's decision to stop catering to the small raider population has allowed them to find better ways to reward players for playing more open, accessible content. Casual? You bet. It's possible to play LOTRO a few hours a day and still get good gear and progress into more difficult and group content.
Players have cycled through all the newest stuff, spent time in the super hyped games and realized that the game they are looking for is LOTRO. Excellent community, decent crafting, truly awesome cosmetics system, superb lore, wonderful soundtrack, different classes and races, incredibly beautiful landscape, player music system, multiply ways to progress, war-steeds, mounted combat, skirmishes, big battles, scaling dungeons and raids, housing, weapon building and flexibility, dual-speccing classes.
Does it have decent PvP? Nope. If you're a PvPer, LOTRO is not for you. Creeps and Freeps whack at each other on the Moors, but LOTRO never was built for PvP (primarily because it's against the license, The Free Peoples do not fight the other Free Peoples in the Epic.) Do people PvP on the Moors? Yup, there's a strong PvP community, both Creeps and Freeps, in LOTRO, but it is small and there's only the Moors to battle over. They are generally not happy with their fate, but for some reason, they just keep coming back and PvPing in LOTRO.
Are there raiders? Yes, some kins still raid in LOTRO. There are significant 12-man dungeons that scale, making them still challenging to do at level cap. The BBs have 6-man versions, which require close, well coordinated strategy to succeed at.
Perhaps you don't play LOTRO or considered it unworthy of your time, but for many gamers, LOTRO is home base, a friendly, open world easy to get in to and rewarding to master. It won against Aion, EQ, and WoW so far. There's only one common element here, the game itself.
Well, it is known that what it was to be Middle Earth Online (or something like that), turned into LotRO after WoW's success. So yeah, they went after a themepark when all there was planed in the beggining was a sandbox. Ofc, there are differences, and even some strong points (RP, as you said. I always liked the music system).
I've played it some months, and while it's not terrible it doesn't compare well with other titles either. I don't know about the population right now, but back when I played, the world felt empty, even in big cities. In fact, I bet the game would be dead by now if it wasn't for the fantastic IP they're using. Other than that, the combat doesn't feel very nice, enviroments look boring, and dungeons no near as satisfying as in other themepark games.
Like I said, I don't think it's terrible. It's just not the best.
"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran
Graphics? Maybe low in areas released in 2007 but recent ones? You won't experience those on Ultra Hight settings with two years old PC. Quests being basic and monotonous? Well thats another thing that shows you didn't make it through 30 levels.
And then - how being basic (as a total) is a disadvantage of the game? Accordingly to polls people prefer simple LotRO than overcomplicated EVE. Football is also much less complicated than figure skating and see how many people know Ronaldo and compare the number to Adielina Sotnikowa fans
Oh I get it. It is about which is the bigger steaming pile. In that case, TSW > ESO.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
This comment though... http://i.imgur.com/nU1UcEB.png
And you are the guy who is accusing TSW players of making several accounts? No, just... no.
Awnnnn!! How beautiful it is to see the MMO community come out on this exciting season of Christmas, hand in hand, singing carols and being nice to each other. Why do you always have to fight together, it's always a matter of taste and opinion. Here are facts and not opinions:
1) Merdian 59 is the mother of mmos (ni their form today), not UO or EQ.
2) EQ is the father of mmos, it is what brought mmos to the surface and made it possible for any mmo today to exist in our economy, it's the DnD of ONLINE role playing games.
3) UO is the mother (gave birth) to pvp and DAoC is the father (who trained and perfected) of pvp.
4) SWG is the father of popular settings mmos.
5) WoW is the Walmart of mmos, cheap but appeals to the mass market (not necessarily a bad thing).
6) WAR brought the achievement system to the mmo market, which is now a big part of mmos.
7) Guild wars was a great game, but cannot be compared to these other titles because of it's model.
7) ESO, LOTRO, SWOTR, Rift, Guild Wars 2, AoC, Vanguard, TSW, AC, EQII, Runescape, all had some kind of impact on the mmo community but nothing too major. I do not mean to insult any of these games, I actually play most of them, I just mean that they did not change anything about the gaming world.
Now, any other than these above facts is opinion and we live in a world where difference is beauty, so accept the fact that not everyone will agree or feel the same as you do, and embrace the friendly competition and stop fighting.
Happy Holidays everyone (Let the flaming begin!) lol
All of us are voting that is kinda of the point... The thing we are not doing is making more than one account. In fact people in our community would not take kindly to other people who do that.
Huh what? I only see TSW players acting as mature people... What evidence do you have of the opposite? We actually have many evidence regarding *some* ESO players...
First, I call it bullshit, you have no idea how many votes are there so far. Second, what if it's 2000, what the hell, what is the problem with that? We have far more than 2000 active players.
And how can we not deny it? Even if *someone* is creating several accounts how the hell would we know that? I know for sure I am not creating any account.
PS: You're also forgetting about people that are not fans of either game, but will still vote for one of them.
I hadn't even read the 2000 player thing correctly. That would only be a small part of the TSW fanbase so then his point would indeed be moot.
Also stop marking my posts as spam it's pointless and immature.
Wait, what?
This makes no sense.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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1) Our playerbase being a lot more dedicated doesn't necessarily mean that we are mass voting, but we probably have a lot bigger percentage of our total playerbase voting than you have.
2) ESO's playerbase isn't necessarily as big as you think it is. Stop being cocky.
TL:DR; Go cry somewhere else
Noone here has encouraged mass voting and I know I never would. I would rather let ESO win than sink that low.
I put that down to too much egg nog.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I'm glad someone else remembers that... and don't forget dynamic events (a.k.a. public quests.) As far as I'm aware that was another first for them.
Additionally, they spiced up the healing game significantly with both the Archmage/Shaman for healing self and others off anged damage dealt and the Warrior Priest/Disciple of Khain for healing off melee damage dealt. Both of those ideas were also adopted by Rift.
WAR doesn't get a lot of respect because many aspects of it were mishandled and it eventually crashed and burnt, but they deserve credit for innovation at least.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Seriously, you are getting all prissy over a popularity contest and crying over which part of a game community decides to cast a vote?
And on top of that, you get belligerent and insult people? If you are wondering which reputation is getting tarnished here, it isn't TSW's.....
You have spent this entire vote effectively slandering the entire TSW community, both here and on your own forums. You have accused us of ballot stuffing, multi-accounting and breaking the ToS of the vote. At no point have you ever provided any actually verifiable evidence for anything you have claimed. At the very least, Neizir has the balls to admit when he has made a mistake.
And you find it necessary to now descend to personal attacks on one of the most highly regarded members of the TSW community. Speaking of ruining reputations, I somewhat doubt that anyone who plays ESO and has seen your conduct would want to even admit to being in the same community as you.
You want to talk about bullshit and needing to see a doctor? Go take a look in a mirror.
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Yeh, if EQ2 and Warhammer Online had a bastard love child, it was Rift. I can always tell when people entered the genre and on which copied content they base opinions by the little mistakes they make in descriptions of their game experiences. This isn't saying you have, just an expressed thought.
Like M59, calling it an mmo is putting the carriage before the horse. The term was coined by UO's creator, and UO was nothing like M59 except that it was multiplayer, fantasy online. Why aren't we calling Neverwinter Nights the first MMORPG from 91 on aol? M59 was the progenitor of EQ, not so much UO.
You are so not worth wasting my time on, but your despiration is amusing so I'll bite. First off all my doctor said I am doing just fine, thank you. Also the spam button part was not even aimed at you, but thanks for replying to that in a decent way. Also I love how you keep undestimating the size of the TSW community. And also if you bring me any kind of legit proof I will refrain from posting here and spread your message even inside of the TSW community itself. Thing is that you are just spreading nasty rumors without any kind of proof what-so-ever and that is what bothers me.
In what way is TSW losing credibility? Except for being accused of bot using, spamcreating accounts (which still is bollocks, frankly)
or being accused that devs and CMs are sending e-mails (what gladly got debunked) in what possible way does TSW lose credibility?
Also your method is as believable as this CM sending e-mail crap or the unreliable "IP tracking" nonsense(yeah right.). As long as your counts doesn't get any confirmation by MMORPG's team i will call that method complete rubbish. ESO is not perfect either? Uhm we have no promotion of using of spamcreating multiple accounts on our forum opposed to ESO http://puu.sh/dI0FD/99b4c0c162.png (p4) or anyone calling out regular ads as blatant usage http://puu.sh/dI0Jm/1ed4376724.png (same page and yes, it's the same person. doesn't change it)
Even further while not having any kind of proof for anything (don't get to the point of 'I have friend which can confirm this!', we kinda already had that with CM topic.) you keep insulting an entire community for ToS violating stuff and even further you are personally insulting other people. Topic CM is done for me, he gave an apology and that's fine, shit happens, but as long as you keep being such an unreliable insulting prick, i am pretty sure that you give a perfect deterrent example of TESO's community and i am not sure whether your community actually want someone like you here or in your own forums.
Finally, the thing is that you appear to not be a troll and that's just sad for TESO's community and for anyone around you basically.