I don't think you realize what is at stake here. This is a popularity contest on a mmo website with no prizes up for grabs. I honestly don't think things could possibly get any more thuper therious here.
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better. TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds.
ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina. Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
Originally posted by Troveaholic Yep ESO being ahead of The Secret World is lame. The five funcom fans still left in the world are clicking theor buttons a lot. In all seriousness I don't know anyone who play a TSW. I played it at launch but the animations and combat killed it for me. Solid game though.
I find that insulting. And it is not true, there is quite a decent number of people playing.
I also don't understand wth is wrong with the animations that so many people criticize, seriously... The graphics are top notch, the animations are no better or worse than other MMOs, and the combat *is* good!
I purchased Eso last night and the graphics are far worse than TSW "Everything on Ultra" But it doesn't look awful. TSW definitely looks much better graphic wise though.
I can't comment on the combat yet i'm merely at the start of the game, it has potentional but I can't see how this will work in pvp or group content yet.
TSW's combat is often regarded as bad because people don't bother getting further into the game and it requires a lot of thought to make it work well. The huge amount of freedom is what long time TSW members love about the combat, sadly the huge amount of freedom makes it harder for those that lack the will to understand or simply don't try to understand it a very bad idea of how it works. (Initially obviously the combat only looks like build 5 times and use 2 consumers, in Eso the combat right now looks like left click left click left click left click left click and occasionally use skill 1 I trust this will improve )
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better.
TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds. ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina.
Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
Originally posted by Troveaholic Yep ESO being ahead of The Secret World is lame. The five funcom fans still left in the world are clicking theor buttons a lot. In all seriousness I don't know anyone who play a TSW. I played it at launch but the animations and combat killed it for me. Solid game though.
I find that insulting. And it is not true, there is quite a decent number of people playing.
I also don't understand wth is wrong with the animations that so many people criticize, seriously... The graphics are top notch, the animations are no better or worse than other MMOs, and the combat *is* good!
I purchased Eso last night and the graphics are far worse than TSW "Everything on Ultra" But it doesn't look awful. TSW definitely looks much better graphic wise though.
I can't comment on the combat yet i'm merely at the start of the game, it has potentional but I can't see how this will work in pvp or group content yet.
TSW's combat is often regarded as bad because people don't bother getting further into the game and it requires a lot of thought to make it work well. The huge amount of freedom is what long time TSW members love about the combat, sadly the huge amount of freedom makes it harder for those that lack the will to understand or simply don't try to understand it a very bad idea of how it works. (Initially obviously the combat only looks like build 5 times and use 2 consumers, in Eso the combat right now looks like left click left click left click left click left click and occasionally use skill 1 I trust this will improve )
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better.
TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds. ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina.
Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
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Originally posted by Troveaholic Yep ESO being ahead of The Secret World is lame. The five funcom fans still left in the world are clicking theor buttons a lot. In all seriousness I don't know anyone who play a TSW. I played it at launch but the animations and combat killed it for me. Solid game though.
I find that insulting. And it is not true, there is quite a decent number of people playing.
I also don't understand wth is wrong with the animations that so many people criticize, seriously... The graphics are top notch, the animations are no better or worse than other MMOs, and the combat *is* good!
I purchased Eso last night and the graphics are far worse than TSW "Everything on Ultra" But it doesn't look awful. TSW definitely looks much better graphic wise though.
I can't comment on the combat yet i'm merely at the start of the game, it has potentional but I can't see how this will work in pvp or group content yet.
TSW's combat is often regarded as bad because people don't bother getting further into the game and it requires a lot of thought to make it work well. The huge amount of freedom is what long time TSW members love about the combat, sadly the huge amount of freedom makes it harder for those that lack the will to understand or simply don't try to understand it a very bad idea of how it works. (Initially obviously the combat only looks like build 5 times and use 2 consumers, in Eso the combat right now looks like left click left click left click left click left click and occasionally use skill 1 I trust this will improve )
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better.
TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds. ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina.
Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
now we can read it
lol yeah my phone screwed it all up.
As said, I can't comment on the combat yet! The point of my post was to show that the initial experience of combat simply isn't the definite experience of combat. Clearly there are more effiecent ways, the same applies to TSW, the combat isn't build 5 times use consumers albeit both appear possible early on.
Actually no. TSW community probably isn't cheating or conspiring or stuffing the ballot with fake accounts. Overall TSW's community is fairly mature. That type of community is another of its unusual strengths.
TSW fans are trying to get out the message to vote, because TSW fans like the game. But cheating or conspiring to win? I doubt it. TSW community isn't like that. It's the the type of place where fans run a help channel to get people started in the game (sanctuary) and another channel for running dungeons (noobmares) where noobs are welcome and people are patient and understanding. Compare that to games like FFXIV where fans make channels to keep out noobs and not only gear check people but boot them out if they don't have the achievements that prove they've already completed the content. (TSW isn't the only community like this obviously; EVE is another game that has an amazing community that helps people get started in the game.)
I'm going to give ESO the benefit of the doubt and assume that your attitude doesn't represent the community. Because if ESO is cheating and using using whatever tactics and your attitude is "Duh, of course we have no integrity and we're the kind of people you'd be stuck playing with if you join ESO" then win or lose, ESO doesn't have a good community.
If ESO fans rally to vote and win, then good for them. But don't assume all communities are rotten if that's what you're used to in other games.
I don't cheat. Nor do I encourage cheating in any way, shape or form. But I know human nature. Please don't kid yourself into believing that the TSW community is made up of pure angels. My comments there are from a purely nuetral perspective on the nature of the human race. The notion that the ESO community would have an above average composition of unsavory personalities while saying the TSW community sits upon some kind of moral high ground and is compromised of purely innocent angels is ridiculous.
The ESO community is actually one of the most mature and civil I have every seen and that comes from 20 years of playing MMOs. Perhaps TSW is as well. I don't know.
But people are going to attempt to cheat because people are people. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it fact? Yes.
Actually no. TSW community probably isn't cheating or conspiring or stuffing the ballot with fake accounts. Overall TSW's community is fairly mature. That type of community is another of its unusual strengths.
TSW fans are trying to get out the message to vote, because TSW fans like the game. But cheating or conspiring to win? I doubt it. TSW community isn't like that. It's the the type of place where fans run a help channel to get people started in the game (sanctuary) and another channel for running dungeons (noobmares) where noobs are welcome and people are patient and understanding. Compare that to games like FFXIV where fans make channels to keep out noobs and not only gear check people but boot them out if they don't have the achievements that prove they've already completed the content. (TSW isn't the only community like this obviously; EVE is another game that has an amazing community that helps people get started in the game.)
I'm going to give ESO the benefit of the doubt and assume that your attitude doesn't represent the community. Because if ESO is cheating and using using whatever tactics and your attitude is "Duh, of course we have no integrity and we're the kind of people you'd be stuck playing with if you join ESO" then win or lose, ESO doesn't have a good community.
If ESO fans rally to vote and win, then good for them. But don't assume all communities are rotten if that's what you're used to in other games.
I don't cheat. Nor do I encourage cheating in any way, shape or form. But I know human nature. Please don't kid yourself into believing that the TSW community is made up of pure angels. My comments there are from a purely nuetral perspective on the nature of the human race. The notion that the ESO community would have an above average composition of unsavory personalities while saying the TSW community sits upon some kind of moral high ground and is compromised of purely innocent angels is ridiculous.
The ESO community is actually one of the most mature and civil I have every seen and that comes from 20 years of playing MMOs. Perhaps TSW is as well. I don't know.
But people are going to attempt to cheat because people are people. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it fact? Yes.
Eve the community that invites noobs to their corp, gets them to come out to low sec, kills them and takes their stuff for giggles....yeah really good community.
Actually no. TSW community probably isn't cheating or conspiring or stuffing the ballot with fake accounts. Overall TSW's community is fairly mature. That type of community is another of its unusual strengths.
TSW fans are trying to get out the message to vote, because TSW fans like the game. But cheating or conspiring to win? I doubt it. TSW community isn't like that. It's the the type of place where fans run a help channel to get people started in the game (sanctuary) and another channel for running dungeons (noobmares) where noobs are welcome and people are patient and understanding. Compare that to games like FFXIV where fans make channels to keep out noobs and not only gear check people but boot them out if they don't have the achievements that prove they've already completed the content. (TSW isn't the only community like this obviously; EVE is another game that has an amazing community that helps people get started in the game.)
I'm going to give ESO the benefit of the doubt and assume that your attitude doesn't represent the community. Because if ESO is cheating and using using whatever tactics and your attitude is "Duh, of course we have no integrity and we're the kind of people you'd be stuck playing with if you join ESO" then win or lose, ESO doesn't have a good community.
If ESO fans rally to vote and win, then good for them. But don't assume all communities are rotten if that's what you're used to in other games.
I don't cheat. Nor do I encourage cheating in any way, shape or form. But I know human nature. Please don't kid yourself into believing that the TSW community is made up of pure angels. My comments there are from a purely nuetral perspective on the nature of the human race. The notion that the ESO community would have an above average composition of unsavory personalities while saying the TSW community sits upon some kind of moral high ground and is compromised of purely innocent angels is ridiculous.
The ESO community is actually one of the most mature and civil I have every seen and that comes from 20 years of playing MMOs. Perhaps TSW is as well. I don't know.
But people are going to attempt to cheat because people are people. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it fact? Yes.
Originally posted by Troveaholic Yep ESO being ahead of The Secret World is lame. The five funcom fans still left in the world are clicking theor buttons a lot. In all seriousness I don't know anyone who play a TSW. I played it at launch but the animations and combat killed it for me. Solid game though.
I find that insulting. And it is not true, there is quite a decent number of people playing.
I also don't understand wth is wrong with the animations that so many people criticize, seriously... The graphics are top notch, the animations are no better or worse than other MMOs, and the combat *is* good!
I purchased Eso last night and the graphics are far worse than TSW "Everything on Ultra" But it doesn't look awful. TSW definitely looks much better graphic wise though.
I can't comment on the combat yet i'm merely at the start of the game, it has potentional but I can't see how this will work in pvp or group content yet.
TSW's combat is often regarded as bad because people don't bother getting further into the game and it requires a lot of thought to make it work well. The huge amount of freedom is what long time TSW members love about the combat, sadly the huge amount of freedom makes it harder for those that lack the will to understand or simply don't try to understand it a very bad idea of how it works. (Initially obviously the combat only looks like build 5 times and use 2 consumers, in Eso the combat right now looks like left click left click left click left click left click and occasionally use skill 1 I trust this will improve )
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better.
TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds. ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina.
Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
now we can read it
lol yeah my phone screwed it all up.
As said, I can't comment on the combat yet! The point of my post was to show that the initial experience of combat simply isn't the definite experience of combat. Clearly there are more effiecent ways, the same applies to TSW, the combat isn't build 5 times use consumers albeit both appear possible early on.
Well... welcome to ESO and don't be shy about asking for hints and tips. You can even do it in the ESO sub-forum here and you'll get a lot of people happy to help.
You should also check out the Tamriel Foundry for a lot of info helpful to beginners and vets and the ESOhead Skill Calculator if you want to get some ideas about what different skills and morphs do.
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TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better.
TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds.
TSW zone hubs are recreations of small sections of the cities involved. People can (and have) gone to the part of New York represented in game and posted pictures. It is spooky how accurate the representation is. Since TSW is representing real world cities in current time there is not the luxury of designing towns and cities as you might wish. They need to come pretty close to reality or the models get challenged. There are threads on the TSW forums specifically on the accuracy of the locale renditions.
This did not keep the devs from including Dana's apartment building from the Ghostbuster's movie in the Manhattan Exclusion Zone.
The pideon-holing of builds in TSW is more caused by players wanting to create and use builds for specific roles which they are used to or to pug groups which force conventions. To innovate you really need a regular stable group because changes to any one build can effect the entire group synergy so often the entire group needs to adjust. Pugs never want to do this so they demand specific standard builds. That's why I never pug in TSW.
I am not aware of any fight in TSW that is limited to one arrangement of builds.
It's not from the devs or anyone else at Funcom. It's from TSWDB (the secret world database), which is a FANsite. I've actually written for it (gotta plug my Hell Eternal guides), which is why I'm on their mailing list, unlike most players.
I can actually see someone not noticing it wasn't from the devs and innocently mistaking it, especially someone who doesn't actually play the game, but yeah, it's not.
Oh wait, never mind. That was sent this morning, not over two days ago when someone started the rumor. Guess they actually were just making shit up rather than completely misinterpreting.
I sent that mail this morning to everyone registered on TSWDB, which is a few hundred people, except the ones that had chosen not to receive mass email
Oh wait, never mind. That was sent this morning, not over two days ago when someone started the rumor. Guess they actually were just making shit up rather than completely misinterpreting.
Too bad.
Yes one Eso supporter notice one community member of ESO was indeed making shit up. Not many, not all. Just that one person and he recognized his fault and apologized so it's all dandy!. As co-leader of TSWDB I agreed to the mass sending of emails! Somehow the Merry christmass wishes has been intercepted by Ur-draug... So on behalf of TSWDB Happy holidays and enjoy your days off from work!
I've never played TSW, never seen it, never even heard about it till I came here. I wouldn't have known it existed. That could be Funcom's fault for lack of advertising, I don't know, but I don't have much to say about it. As for ESO, I played it for a while. It has a long way to go before I can consider it a great game, but I think the one driving force it has going for it is that it IS in fact moving forward, it does have potential. Rocky start, ZOS spent way too much on trailers and not enough on the game, but it could eventually turn out to be great. My vote goes to ESO.
LOTRO, my very first REAL mmorpg (unless you count "Rappelz" lol). I loved it, I miss it and still reminisce about the good ol LOTRO days with friends. Turbine broke my heart with the past two expansions. They've given up making actual content, they've forsaken endgame and raiding, yet somehow the community is fine with this. It makes no sense to me. Raiding, group dungeons IS WHAT IS AN MMORPG IS ALL ABOUT! The PvP is a joke, pay to win all the way if you're a creep, or forced to VIP if you're a freep. How anyone still plays it boggles my mind. I haven't played EVE but from what I've seen it looks solid, just too complicated and not very newb friendly. I considered playing it but turned away when I heard it could take months or even years to get to where you want to be. I'm patient but not that patient. Still, because WB/Turbine has given up on LOTRO and turned their backs on us, my vote goes to EVE.
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"TSW closing the gap. 51%-49%. I've seen bot programs close voting gaps in other mmorpgs by the second right down to the end, winning by 5 votes."
Yes, let's make MOAR false accusations. Because if people are voting for this game, surely something must be wrong right? Right? I am going to stop taking this seriously and enjoy christmas now. I'll poke this thread with a stick every once in a while. :P
"Also, remember that the quantity of players playing a game says 0 about its quality. Or maybe you believe WoW is better than ESO? Hey, its your logic man, but I must disagree with that statement you silly WoW-fanboy "
Are you daft? First of all, a FANBOY is someone who is very vocal about anything else being worse than what he is a fan of. By calling someone a "fanboy", and taking the opposite side, you're being "a fanboy" of the other thing.
Second: YES! Everyone has their own personal tastes. But in a "who's the best!?" global, universal, public contest, the one with the number wins. The reason why WoW didn't win, is because this is MMORPG.com. If all of those millions of WoW players all came here to vote, WoW would win.
If anything, this is a contest between niches. Maybe even nostalgia. Because in terms of raw numbers, the most popular one wins. Not everyone plays every single MMO out there and I'm seriously surprised that cheap games like TSW made it this far. Hardcore fanbase that cares, I guess, just like EVE. Niche-wars. Or perhaps bad-animations-wars. Because out of every single MMO that were in this battle, the finalists (minus EVE because spaceship) all have animations comparable to EverQuest.
Originally posted by MyTabbycat TSW is fun for the puzzles, but the combat is annoying. I voted for ESO for the better combat, better lore, and better questing.
This statement shows you this person hasn't even tried many quests in TSW or haven't read much of its lore because if that game has one thing being amazing ... it's its lore and questing But combat, i definitely agree. TSW has quite a weakness there
Second: YES! Everyone has their own personal tastes. But in a "who's the best!?" global, universal, public contest, the one with the number wins. The reason why WoW didn't win, is because this is MMORPG.com. If all of those millions of WoW players all came here to vote, WoW would win.
I think that's pretty obvious. If WoW players cared to vote they would easily win.
Originally posted by Kirzan
Not everyone plays every single MMO out there and I'm seriously surprised that cheap games like TSW made it this far. Hardcore fanbase that cares, I guess, just like EVE. Niche-wars. Or perhaps bad-animations-wars. Because out of every single MMO that were in this battle, the finalists (minus EVE because spaceship) all have animations comparable to EverQuest.
I think you have no idea what you're talking about. You're being insulting towards TSW, ESO (and other previous games... I'm not sure if you're referring to them too? Like GW2 and FFXIV), all of these games have, IMO, high technical qualities. LOTRO is understandable since it's an older game.
So, I'm curious, what MMO do you think has very good animations?
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"My favorite MMO won on a top listing on the interwebs, it is better that yours"
I never understood why player get so passionate about these "Top" listings.
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I don't think you realize what is at stake here. This is a popularity contest on a mmo website with no prizes up for grabs. I honestly don't think things could possibly get any more thuper therious here.
Thith ith so, so thuper therious.
TSW has better night time graphics mainly because ESO doesn't show as many shadows. Both are pretty decent graphics wise. Far worse? Not sure what you're looking at. TSW does have better monster design though, but character models leave much much more to be desired. TSW zone/hubs and main cities are pretty uninspiring, though. ESO captures the feeling of cities and towns much better. TSWs combat does take a bit more thought to build your character, but ESO has way more viability with multiple skill choices. TSW is very focused on cohesion which can greatly pidgeon hold your character into certain builds.
ESO combat is not as you describe. PvE-wise you typically start out sneaking, then launch your strongest attack to open the fight, then start a rotation of skills unless an enemy is charging. If they are, you interupt. If you miss the interupt you double tap or active dodge out of the way. This is for one enemy. When you have 5 on you it gets way more fun. You can sprint in combat, it just takes stamina. Stamina is also how you break free from root/stuns etc. Stamina is also used for active blocking. I only played TSW across three or four zones. It's combat is not the strong point of the game. Very stale. ESOs combat is much more active. More people use the skills on the bar than left click and hold left click (heavy attack). Some builds use more normal/heavy attacks than others. Depends on your resource pool. When you first start off, you will be using left clicks more.
now we can read it
lol yeah my phone screwed it all up.
The vote is super close between ESO and TSW!
Hooray for Christmas exitement!
I don't really have anything to add to the current debate beyond this:
Merry Christmas!
I hope you all find yourself surrounded by loved ones and in the place where you want to be the most.
And if you are alone then give yourself a hug, you deserve it!
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As said, I can't comment on the combat yet! The point of my post was to show that the initial experience of combat simply isn't the definite experience of combat. Clearly there are more effiecent ways, the same applies to TSW, the combat isn't build 5 times use consumers albeit both appear possible early on.
I don't cheat. Nor do I encourage cheating in any way, shape or form. But I know human nature. Please don't kid yourself into believing that the TSW community is made up of pure angels. My comments there are from a purely nuetral perspective on the nature of the human race. The notion that the ESO community would have an above average composition of unsavory personalities while saying the TSW community sits upon some kind of moral high ground and is compromised of purely innocent angels is ridiculous.
The ESO community is actually one of the most mature and civil I have every seen and that comes from 20 years of playing MMOs. Perhaps TSW is as well. I don't know.
But people are going to attempt to cheat because people are people. Does that make it right? No. Does that make it fact? Yes.
Eve the community that invites noobs to their corp, gets them to come out to low sec, kills them and takes their stuff for giggles....yeah really good community.
That is rational thinking. And I agree.
Well... welcome to ESO and don't be shy about asking for hints and tips. You can even do it in the ESO sub-forum here and you'll get a lot of people happy to help.
You should also check out the Tamriel Foundry for a lot of info helpful to beginners and vets and the ESOhead Skill Calculator if you want to get some ideas about what different skills and morphs do.
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TSW zone hubs are recreations of small sections of the cities involved. People can (and have) gone to the part of New York represented in game and posted pictures. It is spooky how accurate the representation is. Since TSW is representing real world cities in current time there is not the luxury of designing towns and cities as you might wish. They need to come pretty close to reality or the models get challenged. There are threads on the TSW forums specifically on the accuracy of the locale renditions.
This did not keep the devs from including Dana's apartment building from the Ghostbuster's movie in the Manhattan Exclusion Zone.
The pideon-holing of builds in TSW is more caused by players wanting to create and use builds for specific roles which they are used to or to pug groups which force conventions. To innovate you really need a regular stable group because changes to any one build can effect the entire group synergy so often the entire group needs to adjust. Pugs never want to do this so they demand specific standard builds. That's why I never pug in TSW.
I am not aware of any fight in TSW that is limited to one arrangement of builds.
Oh, I got 'the email'.
It's not from the devs or anyone else at Funcom. It's from TSWDB (the secret world database), which is a FANsite. I've actually written for it (gotta plug my Hell Eternal guides), which is why I'm on their mailing list, unlike most players.
I can actually see someone not noticing it wasn't from the devs and innocently mistaking it, especially someone who doesn't actually play the game, but yeah, it's not.
Oh wait, never mind. That was sent this morning, not over two days ago when someone started the rumor. Guess they actually were just making shit up rather than completely misinterpreting.
Too bad.
I sent that mail this morning to everyone registered on TSWDB, which is a few hundred people, except the ones that had chosen not to receive mass email
I forgot to say one very important thing
Merry Christmas!
Yes one Eso supporter notice one community member of ESO was indeed making shit up. Not many, not all. Just that one person and he recognized his fault and apologized so it's all dandy!. As co-leader of TSWDB I agreed to the mass sending of emails! Somehow the Merry christmass wishes has been intercepted by Ur-draug... So on behalf of TSWDB Happy holidays and enjoy your days off from work!
The Secret World Data base -> http://www.tswdb.com/
I've never played TSW, never seen it, never even heard about it till I came here. I wouldn't have known it existed. That could be Funcom's fault for lack of advertising, I don't know, but I don't have much to say about it. As for ESO, I played it for a while. It has a long way to go before I can consider it a great game, but I think the one driving force it has going for it is that it IS in fact moving forward, it does have potential. Rocky start, ZOS spent way too much on trailers and not enough on the game, but it could eventually turn out to be great. My vote goes to ESO.
LOTRO, my very first REAL mmorpg (unless you count "Rappelz" lol). I loved it, I miss it and still reminisce about the good ol LOTRO days with friends. Turbine broke my heart with the past two expansions. They've given up making actual content, they've forsaken endgame and raiding, yet somehow the community is fine with this. It makes no sense to me. Raiding, group dungeons IS WHAT IS AN MMORPG IS ALL ABOUT! The PvP is a joke, pay to win all the way if you're a creep, or forced to VIP if you're a freep. How anyone still plays it boggles my mind. I haven't played EVE but from what I've seen it looks solid, just too complicated and not very newb friendly. I considered playing it but turned away when I heard it could take months or even years to get to where you want to be. I'm patient but not that patient. Still, because WB/Turbine has given up on LOTRO and turned their backs on us, my vote goes to EVE.
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http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1441601/#Comment_1441601
"TSW closing the gap. 51%-49%. I've seen bot programs close voting gaps in other mmorpgs by the second right down to the end, winning by 5 votes."
Yes, let's make MOAR false accusations. Because if people are voting for this game, surely something must be wrong right? Right? I am going to stop taking this seriously and enjoy christmas now. I'll poke this thread with a stick every once in a while. :P
Yes and this poll only has 2000 votes as well right? Right? :P
I can't quote the guy for some reason, but:
"Also, remember that the quantity of players playing a game says 0 about its quality. Or maybe you believe WoW is better than ESO? Hey, its your logic man, but I must disagree with that statement you silly WoW-fanboy
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Are you daft? First of all, a FANBOY is someone who is very vocal about anything else being worse than what he is a fan of. By calling someone a "fanboy", and taking the opposite side, you're being "a fanboy" of the other thing.
Second: YES! Everyone has their own personal tastes. But in a "who's the best!?" global, universal, public contest, the one with the number wins. The reason why WoW didn't win, is because this is MMORPG.com. If all of those millions of WoW players all came here to vote, WoW would win.
If anything, this is a contest between niches. Maybe even nostalgia. Because in terms of raw numbers, the most popular one wins. Not everyone plays every single MMO out there and I'm seriously surprised that cheap games like TSW made it this far. Hardcore fanbase that cares, I guess, just like EVE. Niche-wars. Or perhaps bad-animations-wars. Because out of every single MMO that were in this battle, the finalists (minus EVE because spaceship) all have animations comparable to EverQuest.
This statement shows you this person hasn't even tried many quests in TSW or haven't read much of its lore because if that game has one thing being amazing ... it's its lore and questing
But combat, i definitely agree. TSW has quite a weakness there 
I think that's pretty obvious. If WoW players cared to vote they would easily win.
I think you have no idea what you're talking about. You're being insulting towards TSW, ESO (and other previous games... I'm not sure if you're referring to them too? Like GW2 and FFXIV), all of these games have, IMO, high technical qualities. LOTRO is understandable since it's an older game.
So, I'm curious, what MMO do you think has very good animations?