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At launch, it disappointed me.
The first reason (which is being address gradually) is how utterly underwhelming an experience it was to wield a weapon and stamina build (and, additionally, spec heavy armor). Sprinting, dodging, blocking, and "parrying" (not sure what the official name is) all consume stamina. Breaking out of CC consumes it. Yet, the damage/utility per stamina point of weapon skills was abysmal. Being a fan of the plate-wearing, sword-swinging, traditional Paladin, I was fairly disappointed to find it was best to forego heavy armor and wield a staff, instead. I think it still needs some work, but they're progressing in the right direction.
Next was the seemingly intentional development direction aimed at preventing players from grouping altogether. Again, they're working on this, but I feel it should be obvious that encouraging interaction and grouping in an MMO is a healthy thing. You remove the AH to encourage interaction in trade, but set your quests and instances up to all but eliminate the possibility of grouping? Makes no sense. This is still probably the biggest detriment of the game to me; grouping feels like working against the very game systems in place.
However, I am not writing the game off, and still try it on and off to check out improvements.
People hate ESO because of two thing:
- It got subs, nowadays everyone wants the good stuff, but dont want to pay.
- It is not skyrim. Main gripe, deep down, everyone wants skyrim online. I cant say ZOS fault or the fans inability to accept it, but this the thing I hear all the time.
Other gripes are pretty much generic, bugs, rough launch etc but the just a distraction from these two points.
Every game gets hate on these forums. I've seen this question about so many games here. People will complain about any small thing they don't agree with.
If you like a game people are complaining about, just ignore it... it doesn't matter.
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I think many have summed this up, ESO had a bad launch, but man have they made amends. Without doubt the best and most immersive MMO I've ever played, as long as it stays P2P which from what I understand is what they intend.
I love this game so much now and when I think back to my time in closed beta it really is so very different. I think also that for Skyrim players there was a huge difference in gameplay which they were not expecting, it was not Skyrim online, nor could it ever be, however by the time you get to around level 30 it certainly starts to feel more like Skyrim.
Never have I played a game that continually gets better not only as I play but also over time. The next big update is offering some amazing additions including the Criminal Justice system, which will be followed a few months later once they've ironed out any chinks a pvp addition to this system, you will be able to hunt down and take out criminal players, OMG I can't wait for that.
We have seen what monetization has done to other MMOs, one of my favourites being a Trekkie is Star Trek Online, to many that game has been very significantly damaged by continual monetization since F2P and especially since Delta Rising last October. It has become a virtual grindfest with nowhere near the amount of content to be able to gain the good gear without grinding the same couple of patrols literally thousands of times per alt, or you can buy what you want with real cash. To fit out a fully upgraded ship with Mk XIV UR gear is literally hundreds of dollars/pounds, or grind for months and months.
I hardly play STO any more and shudder to think how much cash I've thrown Cryptic's way. It is so refreshing and wonderful to play ESO and hardly have to pay anything other than £7.99 a month which to be honest is not much for anyone really.
I was expecting it to be B2P, you know, like all of mu games. Being able to log on a whim without second thinking if i payed my sub this month trumps anything a sub can offer compared to other business model. Subscription makes no sense in this day and age
Phasing,
long winded grind- side questing, and end game was really other faction story. Incredibly lame
linear, and not the same open world feel a single player sand box has
broken combat that was bugged
no mini games, card games, racing
no mounted combat
no housing
due to bad combat being buggy, and grind for vr Pvp felt dead to me and really was just a large play ground that was very artificial with buggy combat. People could spam certain abilities like shield bash, or other broken abilities that did not work as intended
i prefer a game that has a short story but variety of content. Mmos are designed for people with too much time on their hand and nothing else to do. I'm not desperate enough to enjoy the time sink of a very hollow experience. I would prefer player housing, more depth to pvp, card games, mounted combat, racing etc compared to all the side questing. And of course puzzles and Easter egg hunts with plat forming.
its not what a veteran in mmos would stay subscribed to IMO and it's because it lacks content. Having a lot of side questing, or more of the same end game won't help them especially when the world feels dead with static npcs.
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The trinity should NEVER be messed with. There are many people who only want to play tanks and healers and those roles should always be accommodated for. Any MMO that tries to remove that is not a good MMO in my book (looking at you GW2), as it takes away the need to group. ESO perhaps tries to blur the line a bit, which is OK. There are still tank roles, force taunts are maybe limited and perhaps the rest aren't full on hate-generating skills, but I would say a tank is still probably necessary for most groups. Healers still have a pivotal role and can't be sacrificed anywhere. ESO is definitely meant to be a trinity game. If you want to say some of the content isn't challenging enough to always require tanks, I'd accept that. I think the game definitely needs harder content like traditional raids instead of trials. That's actually one of the reasons I'm not currently playing it.
Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online, Elite: Dangerous | Recently played: FFXIV, Rift, LoTRO, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Guild Wars 2 | Single player RPGs: Dragon Age Inquisition, Skyrim
1. Yes because it isn't Skyrim Online, with the amount of money they blew on this game this should have been the ultimate Sandpark mmo.
2. Terrible lore hits in all aspects. I am a TES lore nut and I know the lore inside and outside, any true TES lore nut would spit fire at all the changes. Just they way they kiddified Molag Bal's lore is enough. TES is not for kids, never has been. Kids still would have bought the game if it was more adult and was stamped with with a more mature rating. Anyone truly a fan of the series knows how much lore matters in this game.
3. I'm not playing a damn solo oriented mmo. Mmos should not be solo experiences and if I wanted to play by myself I can play Skyrim or any of the older TES games that are far better solo experiences. Sorry TESO you fail and still fail in what is supposed to be what mmos are about you know this funny thing called MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER online games. Not Massively Solo player Online Game!
4. The game world is beautiful and boring. Skyrims world and music combined made it an epic experience. I've been playing TES games since Morrowind and I'm well versed on the older titles like Daggerfall, Redguard, Arena and the others. Sorry but this game does not feel like TES. Despite the horrible bots and technical issues, Archeage AS A GAME feels more like TESO than TESO does. Sorry but it does. So wait you're telling me that a Korean company with ONE THIRD OF THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAD CAN MAKE A GAME THAT FEELS MORE LIKE TES THAN YOU? Same goes with Black Desert (aside from the enemy AI and combat system) Why is it that Black Desert feels more like a TES game in its presentation than TESO does? Again the game doesn't even have one third the budget. Sorry but I will stick to my guns and say that Zenimax robbed its investors happily in the development of this game.
5. I had no problem with the three faction system. If anything I like factions. I had no problem with the pvp. But with such a story the game should have been open world pvp. Not full loot pvp, but open world pvp with a flagging system similar to SWG where you could "opt in".
6. Humanized looking elves, White or Arab Redguards (to make the kids not wanting to play a "black character" feeling special-Don't like the black race, don't pick them as there was NEVER white or Arab Redguard in the series), White Only Nords (which there WERE black Nords in Skyrim). Again major lore hits. MAJOR. Just by making the Elves look more human alone blows the point of them being TES elves in the first place. TES Elves are SUPPOSED to look more alien, its part of their STORY and just the fact that they made them more "pretty" takes away the lore reason why they look that way. TES Elves are NOT D&D elves and never have been, they are SUPPOSED to be so different from humans that they look like aliens.
So as far as the TES series goes TESO in my book does not count! Screw that "But its an mmo so you have to change things!'
Ultima Online, ArcheAge, Black Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, Anarchy Online, Vanguard, Age of Conan - yes even early on and Asheron's Call ALL, ALL felt more like TESO than TESO. How is it that these games (with the exception of Black Desert) all with lower budgets and based on older tech have overall more TES feeling worlds with their gameplay? I mean hell if you wanted to make a buggy mess why not just make a GOOD one like Star Wars Galaxies with a TES skin?
Remember early TES development? They were looking at WoW instead of games that they should have been looking to like the ones that I named above, all that does is CLEARLY show how clueless these jack*sses were in their development! They didn't even take into account that the series as a while made more money than some damn countries do in three years in t heir annual GNP's!). Know that alot of the bugs in this game were caused by Zenimax having to shift development near the end of the development game because they were PURPOSELY trying to make a WoW clone and admitted it! Have we forgotten their testament of love to why mmos should play like WoW? They could have stuck macaroni into a damn top hat and called it TESO and people would have bought the game and they did, except they put *hit instead of macaroni! This game is just a damn excuse. With all the money they spent on this game it could have been a MONUMENTAL experience day one, even if they had to push back development for a year do you think anyone would have cared if it was good, even if it was buggy?
Do you know how many people would have went crazy about this game if they added aspects of SWG, UO, AC, AO, and AA?! I would still be playing this game! So you mean to tell me that as a consumer who is loyal to you and stuck by your titles you couldn't give me the mmo of your series that I wanted to play? So should I still be one of your consumers at all? Because clearly you don't care what I think!
I'm sorry enjoy what you enjoy but let me ask this. If this game were not named TESO and it was just called "Fantasy MMO Online." would it even get the same chance or relook as it does now? I'm willing to bet that the answer is no!
Sorry but the game is trash!
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Ridiculous. I'm not saying ESO is a great game, I'm not even saying it feels like previous TES games, it certainly doesn't feel like Skyrim, and I wouldn't expect it to. But anyone saying Archeage feels more like TES is probably smoking something good.
Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online, Elite: Dangerous | Recently played: FFXIV, Rift, LoTRO, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Guild Wars 2 | Single player RPGs: Dragon Age Inquisition, Skyrim
Well then I guess MMORPG.com is smoking the same weed I seem to be smoking
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/8779/How-ArcheAge-Captures-the-Elder-Scrolls-Spirit-Better-Than-ESO.html
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
I browsed trough this thread and ..I haven't seen this reason yet..The players spread the hate and Internet spread it on, that is how it works. Like a VIRUS.
The players and even those that did not play did it, some or many that is currently in this thread spreading it's odd and cryptic feelings about ESO..
In every game today if there is a slightest controversy or the IP has a strong fanbase , It will be hammered to the ground by these roaches ..Most of them seem to have made it their crusade to make it FTP or every MMO for that matter.
There is NOTHING wrong with ESO and NEVER has been, sure it had some small issues, but what game hasn't..To avoid this whole charade there was simply one thing that could have stopped it and that is NOT release the game.
Naturally there is a matter of taste if you like a game or not, but you do not spread hate about a product because this product isn't for you, you just avoid it.
It's an article, and the ONE that wrote it feels like this..and then it's published here at MMORPG.com. They can agree or disagree with this , just like you and me. I agree that creating your own personal experiences is important, disgree with the article however since it's also possible to do this in ESO or any other game for that matter..
The authour tells us how he had a unique story with Lydia in Skyrim, yeah I also had that, when she and my horse bested Dragons and I was hiding in the bushes..Lydia was practically unkillable, but It could happen ..But all she does for me is showing me that this is a computer generated world with lots of flaws..
Can't comment on creating your stories in Archeage thou, haven't played that..But I think you can create your own stories in ANY game you just have to have the heart in the right place for it.
Yup it would appear that both of you are in that smoking shed, that's another one of those articles written either by someone who doesn't understand games or it was simply to stimulate debate. Archeage core concept is a PVP sandbox with crafting, it is not roleplay with great lore and exploration/quest finding.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
If you never played the game there is nothing more that can be discussed. I'll just leave you with the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLAVNriGsus
Now I will FULLY admit that the game is a bot infested cheaters playground, but if there were none of that the game wold be damned good as the gameplay itself is good. Look at the trailer above, delete the bot infested cheaters paradise it is and place a TES skin over it. (and of course take out the cars and other modern things) Sorry but its a better game than TESO is as it represents the IP better.
And for those who get hung up on ArcheAge's modernisms take a look at the trailer below. Look at the scope of the world. You're telling me that Black Desert isn't more TESO than TESO? Now of COURSE the combat is not, but the game is based on older tech, is nowhere near as pretty but has a much better -feel- overall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNFSw107MQs
Everytime I hear about TESO nowadays I hear nothing but apologists, white knights and fanboys.
Nobody should have to -apologize- for a good game
Why is it that even still to this day Zenimax can't make an in game trailer that makes you want to RUN to play their game? Why is that? If the game has gotten so much better wouldn't it -LOOK- better? Where's the in game trailer that makes you excited to play it? Where's the video of its beautiful vistas and epic landscapes?
That ought to tell you something at the end of the day....
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Pixel counts and vistas in promotional videos does not make a game. Neither game is anything like elder scrolls games. ESO is unlike a single player elder scrolls game, but it does feel like a hybrid of an elder and mmo game (now) - and a big part of that is understanding the lore, introducing elements like the justice system and provisioning - these are the hallmarks of an eso game.
What should tell you that ESO is a good game is your own brain with a bit of critical thinking that does not involve discarding peoples opinions that are all pretty much say the same thing.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
This is all your opinion, and it's fine....
Ohh..I have played Skyrim and half of the article was about the feel what that game was for him..so I still understand this and can comment on it, even thou I have never played Archeage
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
The OP asked "Why does ESO get so much hate?" So I am answering his question in a thread asking why people seem to "hate" the game.
I don't care about the state of the game right now. For me its too little, too late and some of the things like the blatant lore messups won't be fixed. So I know its not the game for me. I hope it does get better, but I'm sticking to the single player games.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Q: Why does ESO get so much hate?
A: Because of the vocal minority that is composed by its fanboys. This is accentuated by the fact that the game has disappointed most Elder Scrolls fans that believe that ESO is a violation to all that the franchise stands for. It creates a feeling that the franchise has been "cheapened", "dumbed down" or "violated", causing many oldschool true RPG lovers to disdain ESO for having sold its ideals and the good name of the Elder Scrolls in the name of a dollar sign.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
TES games are built upon by their great lore AND freedom to play how you want. ESO has the lore very well down and the "play how you want" is actually very good for an MMO. It's incorporating the parts of TES games that are deep and rich (lore) with an MMO feel, but they don't strangle the players with too much boring content.
SOME people wanted a Skyrim with co-op. I believe the next single-player console ES game will include a co-op, but a co-op game is not an MMO... so obviously people felt cheated.
Bad launch? Not really. Smooth launch? Also not quite. The only way you can get a smooth launch is if you give players 1 month of free headstart access to stress test everything... create an open beta that includes all of the launch content. Do you know what would happen if the devs did that? "The game launched already since it's open beta." That's what people would say. The truth is, you can't always plan for the random thing crazy amounts of players can do voluntarily or involuntarily. Thankfully, ESO DID give people game time because of all the issues that generally get fixed once they're seen and reported.
I will say though that ESO was very optimized compared to any launch I've played.
At this point it is very clear that the vocal minority are the haters, like you. Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad.
It's interesting how the apologists almost always say that the reason people don't like/hate/criticize/critique ESO is because they were wanting Skyrim co-op or online. There are other games in the Elder Scrolls IP other than Skyrim you know. What about those that wanted Morrowind or Oblivion online? Do they not count? Or what about those that didn't want a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game to begin with and instead would have preferred that development effort, time and budget spent on the next game in the series with even more features instead of a watered down game with features stripped out of it just so it can be an MMO?
However, considering how many copies of Skyrim sold versus ESO maybe they should have made it like Skyrim online.
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Bingo
Its like someone took a bottle of Sprite poured it out and poured in the storebrand cheapo soda that you find regularly priced for one dollar for a three gallon and it tastes more like corn syrup with bubbles.
Or for my Tri state area folk out there ESO is the "Tropical Fantasy" of mmos, decent enough to do the job for the moment but it will rot your kidneys faster than Sprite wished it could. And it might make you sterile.
I feel sorry for the makers of the single player games. They have to sit there and smile in their bosses faces and nod when their bosses call this pile a great game. Damn the pain of having to do that...
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!