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Is CoH worth getting?
Chris039
Member Posts: 16
Hi...
Before anyone says that i am spamming because there are other posts on this subject, please note i have read the others and i do not spam.
I have checked out CoH on the official site and looked at posts in these forums, it seems like a good game to play. But, is there anything other to do than fighting (if not i would probably still get it if the other content was good)?
Thanks
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Currently Playing: Guild Wars
Retired: WoW, SWG, CoH, RS, EQ2
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See my reply here:
http://tinyurl.com/8ogk3
Long story short: no.
Thanks for your reply. Would anyone else like to add anything, as with every game there are some who think it is good, and some who think it is bad. If (note i say if not when) more people reply, i will sum it up and make my decision.
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Currently Playing: Guild Wars
Retired: WoW, SWG, CoH, RS, EQ2
My personal opinion is NO. i just left after starting when COH was released what was that april 04? i think anyways. I never was a PVP person but as for the rest of the stuff. the content is going nowhere. IMO
they have Nerfed nearly every archtype to death. tanks cant tank, regeneration scrappers don't regenerate etc etc etc. They have really took something that WAS working decently and turned it into MUCH and made it worse.
My opinion is this: the Devs DO NOT listen to the call of the people for what the masses want. We have asked for +50 content forever and what do we get a cute little place to hang out and chat and dance in. Just not working. WAS a fun game but after 1 week it is very very very repititious. rescue the same people, find the last computer file, GET the artwork that is missing from MAGI's vault.
Fire AZURIA she loses everything in the vault ot the bad guys all the time.
Anyways i hope you make a good decision. i am currently in the same boat. As of today I am NOT renewing my COH/V acct. i am currently looking for a new MMO to play? will prb be DAoC
good luck 2 u
The following is a cross-post from another thread. I'm reposting them here (and deleted these posts on other thread) because this seems to be the more appropriate thread for this information.
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City of Heroes was a great game last year at this time (Issue 3, winter of 2005). Since then, nerfs to powers across the board have made it less of a "superhero" game and more like a "civies in tights" game.
For instance, in Issues 1-3, you could create a super-speeding Flash-type character who could fight at high speeds. Pre-Issue 4, the devs decided that super-speeding in combat was "not fair" to villainous NPCs, and introduced the most immersion-breaking nerf to date: travel suppression.
Travel suppression means that - basically - you cannot move at super speed until 4 seconds have elapsed since your last attack. Which means you have to either keep fighting in a bad situation getting continually worse - until you die - or you stand there taking punches and bullets for 4 seconds until your superspeed kicks in again.
The global enhancement nerf (euphemistically called "diversification" by the developers) means that a game that was already a grind through the 30s and 40s takes even longer to get to that magical "end-of-content" level 50. No longer can blasters slot for max damage (even though the character notes call them "offensive juggernauts") to be able to blast their way through mobs of baddies. No longer can tanks slot for max defense to be the best "meat shield" they can be for the team.
In other words, the devs have gimped every toon and powerset with this global nerf (even those who could ill-afford to be gimped anymore) and have slowed levelling down dramatically.
The biggest reason for the nerfs? The lead designer, Jack "Statesman" Emmert wants to balance the game to mirror that of his experience on a Gameboy, where he was defeated by a boss a whopping 12 times before beating it. This is what Emmert calls "fun". And yet on the Gameboy, you don't accrue debt with defeat the way you do in CoX, which further slows levelling to a crawl.
Further, Emmert decried the "rinse and repeat" tactics of certain combat strategies that were employed, and so introduced nerfs (like travel suppression) to force people to change their tactics, again, slowing levelling to a monotonous grind. Ironically, if you read most of the reviews about CoX, the biggest complaint most people have is the "rinse and repeat" nature of the mission structure itself, as in "defeat 10 _____, defeat all _______ in ______, defeat _______ in ________, defeat 100 ______ in _______. Fill the blanks in with Outcasts, Skulls in Warehouse, CoTs in Caves, Zombies in Sewers, you get the idea.
In other words, Emmert hypocritically calls using superspeed or superjump while fighting "rinse and repeat" while his whole game, from level 1 to level 50, is nothing more than a long, boring grind-fest of "rinse and repeat" with no more content than what I've just described above.
One year ago I recommended CoH highly to all my friends looking for a fun on-line gaming experience. Now, CoH is a nerf-infested snore-fest, at best.
The player community is great, but can't make up for the dreadfully dull mission grind. Not worth $15 a month, IMHO.
One more thing about the developer mentality at CoH. Lately, posts critical to the lead developer's regime on the CoH community fora have been disappearing, as Emmert seems to be growing an increasingly thin skin about his repeated and heavy-handed nerfs. When recently queried as to why he was moonlighting writing the Prima Strategy Guide for Issue 7, (with information that should be posted on CoH's own, free web-site), a number of those posts were deleted.
Emmert uses the community fora there to ask for input about a freelance project he's doing for another company that will cost his own customers money to buy, and which will contain information he should be freely posting to the website about his own game. This is an outrageous conflict-of-interest and one that you'd think NCSoft wouldn't tolerate from its employees.
It seems to me that Emmert's free time would be better spent trying to solve "lost mapserver connection" errors, and a number of other bugs that plague the software, instead of further ripping his customers off and treating them like idiots.
(BTW, the only way anyone knew about ED was that beta testers for CoV broke NDAs to let the player-base know a couple of weeks in advance of the nerf. Emmert was playing that one close to the vest and only when the information on ED was leaked, did the devs there go into full damage control and admit that ED had actually been in the works for 7 months, despite telling their customers during that time that most powers and ATs were "working as intended.")
The developers at Cryptic may not be as heavy-handed as they are at SWG, but they are incredibly duplicitous and under-handed in their dealings with the player-base there.
IMHO, Emmert and company are simply not to be trusted, which would also explain why a number of long-time subscribers, many of whom had been with the game in beta (actually, that game never feels like it's out of beta with all the changes it undergoes) are leaving in droves. During Issue 3, on any given Saturday afternoon, half the servers would be red and the others would be yellow. Now you're lucky to find half the servers in the yellow (the rest are green) during peak log-in times, and finding a team is becoming increasingly difficult.
YMMV.
As of midnight, PST, I logged in on the free trial to find a team to do a level 18 AV mission (Dr. Vahzilok). The servers were practically empty, and not one single individual (I saw three other toons on my way to it through three zones) even responded to my "lft" broadcast, which I issued 4 times in 2 minutes. A year ago, I would have had to turn people away for that mission because of the XP it offered, even at this time of night. Now, I couldn't even get a team off the ground.
I don't care what the devs' fanbois say, CoH is in a world of trouble, and former fans of the game - like myself - see Jack Emmert's infamous "balance vision" as the cause of it all. He's just about "balanced" the fun out of the game.
Some "vision."
I concur Issue 3 was it's hay day for me.
The game is good. The current development team are losers. Gradually making it worse month by month.
It's not a very content rich world, I think you could essentially "do it" in under 2 months.
It's a fun game and costume creation plus team management tools are world class.
Play it, love it, leave it fast and never return. The next wave of nerfs are coming.
CoV and PVP are fun. I wouldn't play the COH part though until they put in newspaper missions for faster leveling, and provide the ability for heroes to turn into villains.
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Dont listen to these peopls crys about the nerfs.. Alot of them were needed and really are not that bothersome and as bad as alot of MMORPG's I have played.. If any reason to not like this game it would be the lack of content. If your into running solo/team missions from the point you log in to the point you log out this is the game for you.. Other then that there is really nothing else to do, no crafting, no exploring (zones are extremly small), ect.. PVP is average at best, but to many people huddle and group together for it to be really fun...
I will say this positive about COV/COH though, my video card blew up last month and while I was cool for the first 2 weeks I suddenly have a huge urge to play this game.. So I guess its really not that bad, but maybe thats just the fact that there is nothing else out there worth playing atm.
Overall its a good game and for the most part the nerfs are nowhere near as bad as people let out. And this is from a person that beta tested the game.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
I believe I addressed that in my post, along with the nerfs and the dishonesty of Emmert and company, all of which are reasons - in my book - not to waste a penny on this game.
You may think the nerfs are not that bad, but that's your opinion, just as it is the legitimate opinion of those who think the nerfs suck to say so. Doing that doesn't make them "criers" or "whiners" unless you're willing to be called a "fanbois" in return.
Let's not have a double standard here, shall we?
I can understand why people get mad when their character get nerfed, hell I used to play WoW they love to nerf almost on a weekly basis. But the fact is that the game is FAR from being dead and it's a very fun game. Sure you can't solo every elite boss in the game anymore but this is supposed to be a team game. Repeditive? Sure it is, just like every other MMO on the market. Kill "x" amount of "y" return to "z", defeat boss "a" save "3 hostages" ect. WoW is the same way.
The fun in this game comes from teaming up with a group of people and running missions and this game has the best team system ever designed. The leader of the team can select any team member's mission from a list and the whole team gets the waypoint to the door (try that in WoW).
I'm not popular for saying this but the nerfs were needed in this game. People are mad because they can't solo 2 or 3 bosses at once anymore, find some friends and have some fun FFS.
Bottom line.. yes it's worth it. I've seen the City of Villains collectors edition (at EBgames I think) on sale for $29. Hell buy it and try the first free month, then decide for yourself.
Do not underestimate the power of nerfs.
I went from being able to regenrate to full health on the way to the next nearest fight, to having to wait 5 minutes between fights for my regeneration to charge.
Since then they have nerfed it even more. 1 noticeable nerf every update since release date. One of them, but by no means the last one, being a character breaker.
They will nerf you. They have new levels to add and new PvP to balance. They have a 100% track record of nerfing every patch and plenty of new patches promised.
It's not possible to have a long term relationship with one of your characters in this game. You must either be the kind of person who constantly enjoys making new toons and sending them pff pn the same adventures or move on fast when you hit level maximum.
It is a very faced paced game and im sure you will be pleased with it for a little while. There comming with more content with the next patch but I dont know when that will hit. Overall I think its a a decent game and this is comming from a person that has a love hate relation ship with it. I will tell you that for a turn based game its the closes thing to twitch fighting type combat that your probably will play.. Its very fast paced and loads of fun at first. These "Nerfs" that these people are trying to talk about will not even be noticed and most of them were done to balance PVP more.. Besides show me a MMORPG game that has never been hit with the nerf bat, especially one with PVP..
Overall I would give it a try
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
It used to be a really great game until issue 3. After that, the non-stop nerfing, merciless, underhanded nerfing of everything/anything in the game really borked it. Up to I3, it was the best MMO out there bar none. But Emmert has a massive ego, and seems to piss his pants in rage when paying customers are having fun in any way he does not agree with, so he nerfs, then nerfs again, then even as you struggle to try and pick up the shattered pieces of your former super hero, he nerfs again crushing any resistance to his grand "vision".
Its all about jack Emmert in this game, he thinks himself a god, who cannot ever, ever be wrong, and he crams nerfs and bait 'an' switch down the players throats no matter what. Not to mention outright lies, deception and "creative" omission to always leave himself a loop hole to claim innocence.
The rabid, and in this game, they are rabid, fanboys on the forums will insult, badger, and harass to the ends of the earth anyone who dares question their beloved devs.
The game was good. Emmert and his rookie crew of lying, deceiving, nerfing SOE-wannabes have destroyed it.
Emmert is the anti-gamers developer.
CoH was good, now its a bastardized shell of its former self.
RIP CoH.
Couldn't agree more.
And now it's broken.
I have a maximum level character that must avoid combat. Do I really want to pay £10 to play him?
You decide.
And now it's broken.
I have a maximum level character that must avoid combat. Do I really want to pay £10 to play him?
You decide.
LMAO! If you must avoid combat how did you get to lvl 50 in the first place? C'mon guys we all got nerfed but don't you think you're stretching it a bit out of purportion? So what if instant healing isn't a toggle anymore, it just makes us use a little more stratigy. Just like SWG I don't see them rolling back the changes so we either have to live with it or cancel. In the case of SWG I cancelled, CoH if far from being broken by these nerfs.
It is still the less bad MMO out there.
ATM I am not subscribing anymore to any MMO. If someone would tell me I have to subscribe to one of them, I would pick CoV/CoH however, despite all their flaws, they are the less bad.
I am not saying the best MMO, simply because MMOs devs are ill, some type of disease, they think they can't make a nice MMO with good soloing and good grouping at the same time, they, for some obscure reasons, rather focus only on 1 side (usually grouping) and then put artificial stuff around that nobody care (like raiding, tradeskills, PvP) when you compare it to the need for a strong SOLO & GROUPING basic.
You read other posters here? Then you see the same logics, the same arguments, the same mentality then if you read from the fanbois at the SoE forums, at the WoW forums, they support their loved game and they say solo deserve to suck and be lame. Mistakes over mistakes.
If I had to play a MMO, it would be CoH. But luckily for me, on Feb 22 Galactic Civilisation is coming out and Heroes of Might and Magic V on the 23rd! Those two game will last me prolly long enough until Auto-Assault come out. If you did think CoH/CoV are the less bad (or even the best) MMO out there, you really should give Auto-Assault a try, Cryptic seems to have corrupt NetDevil on many aspects, it remain to be seen if it is the good part of Cryptic or the bad part of it, but it seem promising.
Nerfs where unecessary unless you consider the PvP aspect. Hamidon and Accolades where enforced on everyone, which was unecessary, they both could have been done to give rewards which doesn't affect 90% of the levels 50. PvP and IoP are currently enforced on everyone. Like I said, same mistakes then all other MMOs, yet, they are less implemented than in other MMOs, thereby less bad. I honestly hope that CoH gets the equivalent expension that EQ got when they got LDoN, but somehow, I doesn't believe it will happen ever or that I will prolly doesn't care anymore when it does.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Notice he says he has a 50 that's broken. Lot of guys I know still on the game retired their tanks and certain scrapper builds, as well as certain defender builds.
If you can't play them, that means they're "unplayable" hence "broken."
City of Heroes does indeed suck right now. And as long as the current dev team with it's current leadership remains in place, it will only get worse. As long as Emmert's "balance vision" rules the day, fun will be ruled out.
I understand Baff.
I was a scrapper 50, Broadsword/Regen. Just seeing my character face in the character selection menu was angering me, a LOT. Regen was made completely useless in PvE (but stronger than before in PvP, no consolation for someone who doesn't PvP). There are no targets anymore to justify using a Broadsword. Back then, when you can solo some AVs, that was a pretty good reason to deal more damage in close combat even if you deal like no AE damage and no range damage, at least you have stuff worth killing with that close combat damage.
I was getting quite angry everytime I see my Scrapper 50 face, because I know how useless she was now, how pointless, how puny. Deleting her is the only way I was able to overcome this angriness and honestly, it mean I will never play a hero again, since leveling again would remember me that useless character...I also delete my PB and every hero I had, all this because I was unable to log in for 10 days in CoV, but a spark to ignite fire need materials. I guess all this "hatred" make me a better Villain when I play my Villains!
As to the "future nerfs", I7 seem devoid of any nerf of any kind on a first glance.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I was just wondering how the toons are broken? They can't solo any more? I highley doubt that. They are not good on teams? Well I also doubt that too. My spines/inv scrapper who is level 50 works just fine on teams and solo. But broken to me isn't being able to herd 60+ mobs and not worry about dieing. But i'm not a Min/Max type of person either I take powers that I think fit to a theme or that are fun and because of this I totally suck at PvP but I don't really care about PvP.
I'm sorry all of your guys "I Win" button got taken away and you may die now, huh imagine that you actually may have to use some strategy when confronting a group of baddies. You may want to try out some games that aren't MMO's if you don't want to see change. Good luck to all of you.
HappyTrails, Its fanbois like you that are so detrimental to any game. you expect and appreciate nerfs, shoddy customer service, and lying blackhearted developers. So the incompetant idiots behind CoH get away with their awful, impotent job they do.
People like you have ruined CoH with your nerf-calling and blind devotion to the asshole known as Statesman.
Funny you use the excuse most fanboys do, the "You lost your I win button!" No, we lost choice, diversity, effectivness, and most of all fun in the game. No matter what these short-sighted, clueless jerks offs(devs) do to this game, there will always be a cult of people like you supporting them, and saying that everything is "overpowered". Of course, once the devs decide its overpowered(usually they are wrong), you'll suddenly be saying "Oh yes, its been overpowered all along, your all exploiters!!one!!"
Maybe people just want some reliability and direction from the devs. Maybe they don't like to be lied to, deceived, and treated like lobotomy patients who can't decide what they consider fun. Maybe it sucks that even if the devs decided that the only powers available are brawl and sprint from now on, you'd still be defending them, and saying all those other powers were overpowered. "Cause Emmert said so!"
Fanboys love to say, "it was overpowered", "You were 'sploiting!", "All MMOs change", and so on.. Doesn't change the fact that Statesman is a fudging idiot. His whole dev crew need to be fired and pissed on, ridiculed in the streets, stoned by crowds, shunned by society!
I just hope Jack Emmert goes quail hunting with Cheney soon!
Since I left CoH a month after release, I am not in a position to know about the nerfs. However, every developer, no matter how amateur, certainly knows that nerfs make a percentage of the players angry and it's quite likely that they'll quit over such changes. As to this, there must be a really serious reason to nerf something.
Every game, even a super-hero themed one, is supposed to be challenging. It consists of various tasks that demand some sort of skill (reflexes or strategy) to overcome the difficulties and give the satisfaction of completing such tasks. If an ability or a set of abilities make the game too easy or allow the player to defeat opponents alone when he was not supposed to, then appropriate action should be taken to alter the abilities and make the content challenging again.
In any case, I was fortunate to get a CoV 14-day trial. I've only played a few hours but I've really enjoyed myself and I really like how the Rogue Isles look and all their lore. Most probably, I'll buy it next week.
Currently playing:
* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.