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Most interesting in the numbers is Lineage(1). This MMO has been closed down by NCWest almost 3 years ago and the only one really making money, totaling more than all other titles combined.
WildStar - no surprise there and I'm waiting for B2P before I give it a shot again (it's in the same boat as ESO when it comes to gameplay and content)
GuildWars 2 is no surprise either with the changes ArenaNet made the last year. Changes in gem conversion (400 minimum and thus making it impossible for casual players to exchange) and 200 gems per missed expansion. This while at the launch of GW2 it was promised that we'd not be charged for ANY expansions.
Aion and Lineage II clearly made a drop in 2010/11 around the time F2P was announced for these titles. Not to mention around that time European services were dicthed from the US as well (Aion mandatory, L2 optional through Innova). That's not doing well for the numbers either. Add to that a lot of EU/US players who are fed up with NCWest GMs (or the lack of it) and not give these games a single dime anymore.
I seriously have my doubts if NCSoft/NCWest will be around for much longer. It's year after year that only Lineage(1) is doing well and each and every new title just fails or has less profit than the year before...
1. The minimum is n't 400 gems, you have no idea what you are talking about.
2. Anet never promised that there won't be expansions and the majority assumed we will see boxed expansions in the future. It is a conspiracy theory that some believe that Anet would give out expansions for free.
Originally posted by kp695304 I still hope they can turn wildstar around. I don't think it is insurmountable. The game itself is rich with content, they just made the horrendous mistake of making the endgame inaccessable to 90% of players. It would be like WoW only offering mythic level raids/dungeons. Perhaps 10% of the population could actually complete content at that level of difficulty but only 1% has the inclination or determination to actually finish it. Most of the other major issues have been resolved, but that has done little good because of the subscription fee. The wildstar saga is tragic, because it is for the most part a good game with excellent combat, classes, gameplay, and ip. It would be a damn shame if Wildstar got shut down before it ever reached its potential due to a flawed endgame and outdated business model.
agree.
i currently play- and raid GA (4/6) and i will say raid content is pretty dam amazing!- they have defenetly turn things around for current players daily and new player experience= but pvp has a long way togo/ and that was a diversion for daily grind so ..with - the slow content releases it could hurt the game over all climb up...
Unexpected that GW2 saw a slight revenue drop from 3Q14 to 4Q14 as XMAS is generally a good quarter (I for example spent a decent amount in gem codes) even if there was really nothing new in the gem store.
Guess the expansion is well timed.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Originally posted by FoomerangI hope they right the ship. They made an interesting world (wildstar).Would be a shame to see it go so soon
Ok serious question - I'm MMO-less so looking to play something for a while.... I have never played WS so is it decent??
Its a good mmo. But it was a little too ACME for my tastes. The combat is very action, which is fun for a while. I think you can get a couple good months out of this game. Worth the price if you can pick up the box for cheap
Or you could just go buy a single player action game and save the subscription fee. Unless you enjoy 40 man raids. Or are they down to 20 now? Probably be 5 next.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
I don't see their charts as being no where but up,i can't even see the profit margin that is most important.
Also the business side that matters MOST to gamer's is how they operate.Are they turning a small% profit by turning out less quality games,unfinished games?DO they cut 50% of the overhead after launch?do they basically ignore games to move staff onto other projects?
Are only 1-2 games making a profit skewing the numbers?If those other games make no profit,they either get shut down or VERY little quality gets put into them after launch.
Also numbers can keep getting pushed into next quarters to give inaccurate numbers, i know Blizzard does that a lot.When devs accrue debts they might not pay those debts for a VERY long time,again giving a false idea of numbers.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
---GuildWars 2 is no surprise either with the changes ArenaNet made the last year. Changes in gem conversion (400 minimum and thus making it impossible for casual players to exchange) and 200 gems per missed expansion. This while at the launch of GW2 it was promised that we'd not be charged for ANY expansions....
AFAIK there was no promise of ever being charged for any expansion (and it's 200 gems for story missions, the first expansion was just announced)... and the gem conversion change was changed again few days after the original change, they added a "custom" button to purchase any amount of gems you want.
I hope they right the ship. They made an interesting world (wildstar).Would be a shame to see it go so soon
Ok serious question - I'm MMO-less so looking to play something for a while.... I have never played WS so is it decent??
WS has a great world ruined by an atrocious combat system. Completely ruins any immersion you may experience. Constant, non stop avoiding of colors on the ground. Its also a bit too busy with crap popping up on your screen everywhere.
Its a shame because the world is great, and the housing is interesting.
Guys, THIS IS NCSOFT. Do not go try Wildstar, it's already dead. NCSoft has closed more games than any other company, ever, including SOE. And not because they've published more, again, see SOE.
NCSoft closes every game they get their hands on, unless it's by Arenanet or Korean, period. The only games you ever need to play with the name "NCSoft" attached to them need to have "Guild" and "Wars" in the title, as otherwise they'll be closed within 2 years.
They may have chance to become stable, but the way there going they better do it soon, I can be wrong, but be for the game came out when i seen the game talk about, was there main target was the hardcore idea I knew that was a mess in that cooking pot.
There best option they can fix what they can, avoid the idea hardcore going to bring the game to the light, and go buy to play maybe, as will be pretty hard sell to bring people back to pay $15 to play it again, and people out there may not play when a big news hit for long, but there are time people do get bored and want to play something so buy to play there best option..
The hype leading up to Widlstar's launch reminded me of all the slacktavists I know. They talk about organic, locally purchased vegan fare, but end up going to McDonald's on the way home because its easier.
Originally posted by HighMarshal I only hope NCSoft in all its forms, dies a swift and painful death.
* applauds *
Have you seen how much L1 is making? That's a bit like hoping Chis Christie starves to death, while hilarious, it's also not about to happen anytime soon.
Another nail in the coffin for MMOs. Decade old games are out performing new games. Not a surprise. Quit making crap, and those have us not addicted or gullible will play it.
Yes its very decent. That is why this article is sending shivers down my spine. Wildstar RUINED other MMOs for me. When I tried WoW again and had to "tab tab cast" combat, I couldnt find it fun anymore. If WS closes, i will be homeless
Originally posted by Jens008 Yes its very decent. That is why this article is sending shivers down my spine. Wildstar RUINED other MMOs for me. When I tried WoW again and had to "tab tab cast" combat, I couldnt find it fun anymore. If WS closes, i will be homeless
Not all MMOs have 'tab based' combat.
e.g Tera has a more active combat system.
Or you can go the FPS route with PlanetSide2.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Originally posted by Jens008 Yes its very decent. That is why this article is sending shivers down my spine. Wildstar RUINED other MMOs for me. When I tried WoW again and had to "tab tab cast" combat, I couldnt find it fun anymore. If WS closes, i will be homeless
Not all MMOs have 'tab based' combat.
e.g Tera has a more active combat system.
Or you can go the FPS route with PlanetSide2.
I had the same issue after playing Tera for a while. If Wildstar closes that's really the closest thing you'll find. Also, some of the classes in Tera get more mobile as you game levels so the level 5 experience may not be representative of endgame.
Originally posted by Jens008 Show me an MMO that instantly started making WoW's money in its first year, or shut up with your doomsaying. Fucking idiots that hate on a game because they suck at it is the reason the MMO genre is dying. WoW is BORRRINNGGGG, I played it for so many years and its JUST TIRED. But just because it has all the players, it becomes popular to hate on newer games. Wildstar is an amazing game, I played since beta and still to this day. It needs more players, but the combat is NOT crap, its exciting and awesome. You cant just sit at the back of the room casting fireball over and over until you proc a pyro, so it gets a lot of hate from noob kids. Once you get used to the combat system of WS, you will never be able to find fun in WoW again. Trust me. I can guarentee that the ONLY sheeple who hate on Wildstar, never gave it a chance, just like every other New MMO that ever comes out. Its pathetic and sad, and it causing the genre to die. If Wildstar and WoW were released at the same time, WoW would arlready be closed down. That is how you can judge a game, on it MERITS, not on how long its been around and how many years of content it has. RANT OVER
Plenty of new MMOs came out and are doing well. What are you smoking?
SWTOR pulls in 100M-150M annually.
GW2 sold like 4M+ boxes.
I heard about Wildstar, saw that the focus was on 'endgame hardcore raid', looked at my kids and went 'Nope!'
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Which is fine, your kids should probably stick to WoW which is easy for them. But my point is, why Hate on a game because of its focus? WS is perma - spammed with abuse by people who dont play it. And Yeah, i played swtor when it came out but found the endgame Heroic Flashpoint and raids a little too easy and kinda dull. I did play the trooper tank tho, which at the time was pretty faceroll. Thats the thing about MMOs, give them a chance and they can correct and change. WS is already easier, but it has the reputation of a sour fish. If people would come back now, in drop 4, they would experience a VERY different game.
Originally posted by Jens008 Which is fine, your kids should probably stick to WoW which is easy for them. But my point is, why Hate on a game because of its focus? WS is perma - spammed with abuse by people who dont play it. And Yeah, i played swtor when it came out but found the endgame Heroic Flashpoint and raids a little too easy and kinda dull. I did play the trooper tank tho, which at the time was pretty faceroll. Thats the thing about MMOs, give them a chance and they can correct and change. WS is already easier, but it has the reputation of a sour fish. If people would come back now, in drop 4, they would experience a VERY different game.
My kids are still too young for a 'computer', let alone an MMO.
I decided not to play Wildstar cause the developer's focus wasn't on my playstyle.
I can't dedicate 2-3 hours continuously on a raid.
MMO players grew up from 18-25 (back when WoW launched) to 30-35+ now.
Guess what happens to the vast majority of people when they become 30+?
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
That's an impressive nosedive Wildstar's been taking there!
I suspect it'll serve as an example for future MMO developers of what happens when you build your game around targeting a minor niche group (hardcore raiders).
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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only game i care about is BNS its not in NA dont care about the rest of there games just give NA/EU bns
1. The minimum is n't 400 gems, you have no idea what you are talking about.
2. Anet never promised that there won't be expansions and the majority assumed we will see boxed expansions in the future. It is a conspiracy theory that some believe that Anet would give out expansions for free.
agree.
i currently play- and raid GA (4/6) and i will say raid content is pretty dam amazing!- they have defenetly turn things around for current players daily and new player experience= but pvp has a long way togo/ and that was a diversion for daily grind so ..with - the slow content releases it could hurt the game over all climb up...
but i wouldnt count it out just yet.
Unexpected that GW2 saw a slight revenue drop from 3Q14 to 4Q14 as XMAS is generally a good quarter (I for example spent a decent amount in gem codes) even if there was really nothing new in the gem store.
Guess the expansion is well timed.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Or you could just go buy a single player action game and save the subscription fee. Unless you enjoy 40 man raids. Or are they down to 20 now? Probably be 5 next.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
I don't see their charts as being no where but up,i can't even see the profit margin that is most important.
Also the business side that matters MOST to gamer's is how they operate.Are they turning a small% profit by turning out less quality games,unfinished games?DO they cut 50% of the overhead after launch?do they basically ignore games to move staff onto other projects?
Are only 1-2 games making a profit skewing the numbers?If those other games make no profit,they either get shut down or VERY little quality gets put into them after launch.
Also numbers can keep getting pushed into next quarters to give inaccurate numbers, i know Blizzard does that a lot.When devs accrue debts they might not pay those debts for a VERY long time,again giving a false idea of numbers.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
AFAIK there was no promise of ever being charged for any expansion (and it's 200 gems for story missions, the first expansion was just announced)... and the gem conversion change was changed again few days after the original change, they added a "custom" button to purchase any amount of gems you want.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
WS has a great world ruined by an atrocious combat system. Completely ruins any immersion you may experience. Constant, non stop avoiding of colors on the ground. Its also a bit too busy with crap popping up on your screen everywhere.
Its a shame because the world is great, and the housing is interesting.
NCSoft closes every game they get their hands on, unless it's by Arenanet or Korean, period. The only games you ever need to play with the name "NCSoft" attached to them need to have "Guild" and "Wars" in the title, as otherwise they'll be closed within 2 years.
They may have chance to become stable, but the way there going they better do it soon, I can be wrong, but be for the game came out when i seen the game talk about, was there main target was the hardcore idea I knew that was a mess in that cooking pot.
There best option they can fix what they can, avoid the idea hardcore going to bring the game to the light, and go buy to play maybe, as will be pretty hard sell to bring people back to pay $15 to play it again, and people out there may not play when a big news hit for long, but there are time people do get bored and want to play something so buy to play there best option..
* applauds *
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
Have you seen how much L1 is making? That's a bit like hoping Chis Christie starves to death, while hilarious, it's also not about to happen anytime soon.
Not all MMOs have 'tab based' combat.
e.g Tera has a more active combat system.
Or you can go the FPS route with PlanetSide2.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
I had the same issue after playing Tera for a while. If Wildstar closes that's really the closest thing you'll find. Also, some of the classes in Tera get more mobile as you game levels so the level 5 experience may not be representative of endgame.
Plenty of new MMOs came out and are doing well. What are you smoking?
SWTOR pulls in 100M-150M annually.
GW2 sold like 4M+ boxes.
I heard about Wildstar, saw that the focus was on 'endgame hardcore raid', looked at my kids and went 'Nope!'
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
My kids are still too young for a 'computer', let alone an MMO.
I decided not to play Wildstar cause the developer's focus wasn't on my playstyle.
I can't dedicate 2-3 hours continuously on a raid.
2-3 hours total? Probably doable. 2-3 hours continuously? Nope.
MMO players grew up from 18-25 (back when WoW launched) to 30-35+ now.
Guess what happens to the vast majority of people when they become 30+?
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
That's an impressive nosedive Wildstar's been taking there!
I suspect it'll serve as an example for future MMO developers of what happens when you build your game around targeting a minor niche group (hardcore raiders).
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/