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[Interview] Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited - Freedom to Play & Pay The Way You Want

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Next month, Elder Scrolls Online officially adopts a hybrid revenue system that will include the moniker "Tamriel Unlimited". We caught up to the ESO team to ask a few questions about the upcoming changes and what it means for players.

Read more of Ryan Getchell's Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited - Freedom to Play & Pay The Way You Want. We also have a French and German version available, linked within.

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  • Moridin82Moridin82 Member UncommonPosts: 103
    Nice good stuff :D
  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591

    Is there only one page for the interview?

     

    When I go to page two and then three, I get French and German respectively.

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  • vadio123vadio123 Member UncommonPosts: 593
    I believe dont need say much , have plenty stuffs around web
  • Tyr216Tyr216 Member UncommonPosts: 168
    It sounds like console players are getting screwed if they want to subscribe because not only will they have to pay for their PSN/XBL service, but they'll also have to pay for the sub. If this is the case, I'm not sure I'll be playing the console version, as much as I was wanting to.

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  • mnemic666mnemic666 Member UncommonPosts: 224

    Ah, the business model rebranding.

     

    "Freedom to play and pay how you want! Because before we said fuck you and told you that you needed to sub to pay, but that didn't work out so well for us : /"

     

    Though I'm not complaining, I'll probably pick up a box on sale at some point.

  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by Tyr216
    It sounds like console players are getting screwed if they want to subscribe because not only will they have to pay for their PSN/XBL service, but they'll also have to pay for the sub. If this is the case, I'm not sure I'll be playing the console version, as much as I was wanting to.

    Or they can just buy it as DLC like every other console game. The game has over 600 hours of content in it. How much do you want for $60?

     
  • lordtwistedlordtwisted Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by Tyr216
    It sounds like console players are getting screwed if they want to subscribe because not only will they have to pay for their PSN/XBL service, but they'll also have to pay for the sub. If this is the case, I'm not sure I'll be playing the console version, as much as I was wanting to.

    I bought FarCry4 for $60 great game..guess what had to pay for DLC, or pay for the season pass to get the new stuff...nothing new about this model. 

    Not so nice guy!

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Tyr216
    It sounds like console players are getting screwed if they want to subscribe because not only will they have to pay for their PSN/XBL service, but they'll also have to pay for the sub. If this is the case, I'm not sure I'll be playing the console version, as much as I was wanting to.

    Subs are optional and complaints about the archaic internet connection surtax Sony and MS have should be directed at them.

     

    XBL and PSN had some justification on the basis of maintenance of free servers back in the days when multi-player B2P -- mostly FPS -- actually really meant you could pay once and play forever. But once everything started having DLCs and "Season Passes" it just became a sort of value added tax that only still exists because people are willing to pay it.

     

    Sony's is especially obnoxious because they only just added it as a requirement whereas once upon a time it was one of the core differences between the XB and PS systems. It's only there because it's extra profits that they saw MS could get away with so they just jumped on the gravy train.

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  • fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?
  • GarbracGarbrac Member UncommonPosts: 32
    Originally posted by fistorm
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?

    1500 per 30days

  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917
    Hybrid MMO it's actually more like a Pay to Progress model considering they are allowing you to buy in game currency while subscribing which is neither good for AH markets nor is it good for loot reward systems. So We'll see how it goes but whenever the developer becomes their own gold farmer that's a bad bad sign.
  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by fistorm
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?

    While I'm not familiar with all other "token" allowances in hybrid payment MMO's, you are receiving 1500 crowns per month for a $14.99 membership. Presumably crowns cost 1¢ each, so you are getting a full allotment of crowns for your monthly membership. Compare that to say LOTRO where you get 500 Turbine Points a month and 500 Turbine Points cost "only" $7.99.

    Here is a link to all the "Plus" benefits.

     
  • fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
    If gametime cards are only 1500 and other subs are 4500 or 9000 crowns monthly, doesnt that really scream "You can buy the game how you want to, your way" (with penalties) ?
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by fistorm
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?

    Game cards or subs are the same: 1500 crowns per month bought all up-front. Eg., you buy 3 months with cards or sub for 3 months, you get 4500 Crowns. And going by the one thing available in the Crown Store that we have a cash comparison for: the Imperial Edition upgrade that costs $20 or 2100 crowns, 1500 crowns is $14.28 worth of crowns.

     

    I believe they're also getting rid of the compulsory recurring nature of subs bought with CCs. Recurring subs will be an option now with any method of payment.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by meonthissite
    Hybrid MMO it's actually more like a Pay to Progress model considering they are allowing you to buy in game currency while subscribing which is neither good for AH markets nor is it good for loot reward systems. So We'll see how it goes but whenever the developer becomes their own gold farmer that's a bad bad sign.
     

    There is nothing accurate in this post. You can not buy in-game currency. Crowns are account bound and anything bought with crowns is account bound. You cannot transfer anything bought with real money/crowns into in-game gold. Period.

  • fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
    Ah now I see, its equivalent to the amount of time you buy,  1500 for 30 days, 4500 for 90 and 9000 for 180 days.  that makes sense to me.
  • fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
    One thing I really want to know most though is this...  will you be able to buy subs with crowns?
  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by fistorm
    If gametime cards are only 1500 and other subs are 4500 or 9000 crowns monthly, doesnt that really scream "You can buy the game how you want to, your way" (with penalties) ?

    Game time cards are for 60-days. You would get 3000 crowns when entering the code for that card. There are not 1500, 3000, 4500 PER MONTH crown allotments. There are 30, 60 and 90-day plus memberships available. You get on the day of purchase or subscription 1500, 3000 or 4500 depending on what you buy, but it all averages out to 1500 per 30 day period.

  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by fistorm
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?

    Game cards or subs are the same: 1500 crowns per month bought all up-front. Eg., you buy 3 months with cards or sub for 3 months, you get 4500 Crowns. And going by the one thing available in the Crown Store that we have a cash comparison for: the Imperial Edition upgrade that costs $20 or 2100 crowns, 1500 crowns is $14.28 worth of crowns.

    Although they haven't announced it yet, I believe you get 100 "free" crowns as a bulk bonus when you buy 2000 crowns for $20. That why the Imperial Edition is 2100 crowns. $20 = $20.

  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by fistorm
    One thing I really want to know most though is this...  will you be able to buy subs with crowns?

    No. Also crowns and items bought with crowns are account bound. No chance for a crowns to in-game gold "scheme" here.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by fistorm
    One thing I really want to know most though is this...  will you be able to buy subs with crowns?

    I doubt it. Those schemes are usually only seen in games where the developer sells you gold through an intermediary currency that you then trade to players for gold... as in EVE, Wildstar and most F2P games.

     

    To their credit, they're staying 100% away from any cash > gold conversion schemes... at least to start. 

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  • fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
    So what we are really looking at is a system much like the LOTRO turbine points system, and nothing beyond that.   I think LOTRO got it right with buy to play, they started going pay to win when they added stats to the store though.   I think ESO would be able to pull this off if they kept it to how LOTRO did it when they first opened their store.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Dominoid73
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by fistorm
    How many crowns do you get monthly for being a game time card subscriber, is it a big differance between other subs?

    Game cards or subs are the same: 1500 crowns per month bought all up-front. Eg., you buy 3 months with cards or sub for 3 months, you get 4500 Crowns. And going by the one thing available in the Crown Store that we have a cash comparison for: the Imperial Edition upgrade that costs $20 or 2100 crowns, 1500 crowns is $14.28 worth of crowns.

    Although they haven't announced it yet, I believe you get 100 "free" crowns as a bulk bonus when you buy 2000 crowns for $20. That why the Imperial Edition is 2100 crowns.

    Makes sense. Still... the 1500 / month crown allotment and all the +10% bonuses you get with a sub is quite generous compared to what you get for subs in other freemium games that typically hold ~ half of the sub fee back and give you an allotment of store currency roughly equal to half the sub cost in currency. Once you also get access to all DLC by subbing, subs are going to look very attractive.

     

    It's an unusual approach to B2P + cash shop MMOs. Most of the other ones clearly want to steer you toward buying cash shop currency. ESO wants to steer you toward subbing.

     

     

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • Dominoid73Dominoid73 Member UncommonPosts: 30
    Originally posted by Iselin

    It's an unusual approach to B2P + cash shop MMOs. Most of the other ones clearly want to steer you toward buying cash shop currency. ESO wants to steer you toward subbing.

    I totally agree. Once there are 3-4 DLC's available the "Do I sub or not?" is very heavy in the sub column.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by fistorm
    So what we are really looking at is a system much like the LOTRO turbine points system, and nothing beyond that.   I think LOTRO got it right with buy to play, they started going pay to win when they added stats to the store though.   I think ESO would be able to pull this off if they kept it to how LOTRO did it when they first opened their store.

    Popular misconception it seems. I was there at the time LOTRO went F2P. They were always very aggressive with their shop -- even at the start -- with their downgrading of character slots, bag slots, etc. for the free players and selling it back to you in the cash shop.

     

    ESO has done zero nerfing of no sub accounts. 

     

    Edit: to replace free with no sub in the last line... for those that find that meaningful

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

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