World of Warcraft: WoW Tokens Coming to the Americas Tuesday, April 7th

SBFord · April 2015

UPDATE: Blizzard has sent out a new "feature preview" video to explain the entire WoW Token system, including purchasing, redeeming, selling and more. Check it out below.

Blizzard has announced that the Blizzard Token will begin being sold in the Americas region (North America, Latin America, Australia, and New Zealand) beginning after the weekly update on Tuesday, April 7th. The tokens will sell for $20 USD / $25 AUD. Players will be limited to purchasing ten tokens over 30-days but Blizzard will be assessing that number over time.

At this point, the amount of in-game gold for which tokens will be sold will be 30,000 via a special version of the World of Warcraft Auction House, though the market to determine how much gold each token is worth over time.

Once purchased in game, the tokens become soul bound and can be kept indefinitely until a player chooses to redeem one for a month's subscription time.

Check out the full announcement on the World of Warcraft community site.

Sephiroso · April 2015

The starting price is a bit higher than i expected. I expected no more than 25,000 gold. But then again, I was thinking the tokens would sell for $15 USD as well so the 30k figure makes more sense for the fact its 20 USD.

All in all, only time will tell how useful this will be depending on how high Blizzard will inevitably raise the gold price of the tokens.

observer · April 2015

I expected them to be more, around 50k or higher. 30k is actually quite high still. The only people that can make 30k a month are gold farmers and AH power-players. You can't make this casually. You'll have to actually farm this every month. That's just the starting price though, and it will eventually drop depending on the supply and demand of the thing.

Sephiroso · April 2015

Originally posted by observer
I expected them to be more, around 50k or higher. 30k is actually quite high still. The only people that can make 30k a month are gold farmers and AH power-players. You can't make this casually. You'll have to actually farm this every month. That's just the starting price though, and it will eventually drop depending on the supply and demand of the thing.

It never would have been 50k, least not to start. 15 dollars is equivalent to about 18-20k gold at most gold selling websites for example. A large part of the reason they made tokens is to put a dent into gold farmers website usage and as such how much they're charging for gold will remain a factor in how much they sell their tokens for.

observer · April 2015

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by observer
I expected them to be more, around 50k or higher. 30k is actually quite high still. The only people that can make 30k a month are gold farmers and AH power-players. You can't make this casually. You'll have to actually farm this every month. That's just the starting price though, and it will eventually drop depending on the supply and demand of the thing.

It never would have been 50k, least not to start. 15 dollars is equivalent to about 18-20k gold at most gold selling websites for example. A large part of the reason they made tokens is to put a dent into gold farmers website usage and as such how much they're charging for gold will remain a factor in how much they sell their tokens for.

I see a problem with that though, since the market will decide on the price of tokens. Initially, blizzard set the price at 30k, but if there isn't any demand for them, in say, 6+ months or a year, the price will stabilize, and then gold sellers will still sell below that price anyway.

If they really wanted to hurt gold sellers, they would make everything soulbound, including currency. That will never happen though. lol.

Sephiroso · April 2015

Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by observer
I expected them to be more, around 50k or higher. 30k is actually quite high still. The only people that can make 30k a month are gold farmers and AH power-players. You can't make this casually. You'll have to actually farm this every month. That's just the starting price though, and it will eventually drop depending on the supply and demand of the thing.

It never would have been 50k, least not to start. 15 dollars is equivalent to about 18-20k gold at most gold selling websites for example. A large part of the reason they made tokens is to put a dent into gold farmers website usage and as such how much they're charging for gold will remain a factor in how much they sell their tokens for.

I see a problem with that though, since the market will decide on the price of tokens. Initially, blizzard set the price at 30k, but if there isn't any demand for them, in say, 6+ months or a year, the price will stabilize, and then gold sellers will still sell below that price anyway.

If they really wanted to hurt gold sellers, they would make everything soulbound, including currency. That will never happen though. lol.

Doing what you suggests doesn't hurt just the gold sellers. That hurts everyone that plays the game and is counterintuitive to your goal.

Seelinnikoi · April 2015

In wow these days you can make 4-5k gold in an hour if you know how to do it, so this is a good value for a 6-7 hour farming session.

zaberfangx · April 2015

I see the tokens going to go pretty cheap for a bit, unless there no gold sink in the game then there be rare to come by.

Maelzrael · April 2015

Sell stacks of ore you mine in your mine on any character, on our server, I can make about 5k every week just selling all my ore in 10-20 stack size for a slight mark up since everyone puts em up in stacks of 1. They pay for the convenience. Anyways that and some general questing or dungeons or w/e. If you save it all an farm a lot.. this is do-able. But overall the price is a little steep for casual players.. myself included.

AreWeLive · April 2015

I expected the the amount of gold to be a lot higher, after all making gold in this game is easy at max lvl, you have 30 days to make it.... say 1000 gold every day for 30 days = 30,000 witch = 1 token = 30 days game time.

Alternate methods for game time via in game currency is not ment for casual players, it is for those who invest a lot of time playing the game. I am sure casual players are not the target market for this...

MrBum21 · April 2015

the worst part is I would have to sub for a month out of pocket just so I can buy a token so I don't have to pay for it

Nitth · April 2015

I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

Sephiroso · April 2015

Originally posted by Nitth
I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

They have never said supply and demand controls it. They just alluded to "the market" will determine the price.

Blizzard is the sole entity that controls how much anyone can sell the tokens for. As such, there are no caps because they control the price at will. You cannot sell the tokens for whatever you want to sell them for. They set a price for you.

Hokie · April 2015

Personally Im curious how its going to affect the rest of the auction house market.

Someone who was willing to blow 10K on an item may want to hold on to their gold instead. Im thinking hi-end (hi-priced) auction items may suffer a down in value.....10% maybe 15%? I dont see it getting hit any harder than that.

And I may be misunderstanding it. But I dont think anyone is stuck at selling a token at 30k gold if they so dont choose. So I can buy 15 tokens and blow them out the door at 20K if I want. Or did blizzard lock the prices?

MrBum21 · April 2015

Originally posted by Hokie
Personally Im curious how its going to affect the rest of the auction house market.

Someone who was willing to blow 10K on an item may want to hold on to their gold instead. Im thinking hi-end (hi-priced) auction items may suffer a down in value.....10% maybe 15%? I dont see it getting hit any harder than that.

And I may be misunderstanding it. But I dont think anyone is stuck at selling a token at 30k gold if they so dont choose. So I can buy 15 tokens and blow them out the door at 20K if I want. Or did blizzard lock the prices?

I see high priced auctions going up because some one with too much money will just spam sell tokens and buy up all the stuff. for those who played on Malygos around 2006 should remember the name Perber. the guy would literally buy out everything on the AH and repost it for much higher prices. He only did this because people would still pay for it.

to be fair he was a decent guy, just had no problems taking advantage of the AH and the stupid amount of gold he had.

Hokie · April 2015

Originally posted by MrBum21
Originally posted by Hokie
Personally Im curious how its going to affect the rest of the auction house market.

Someone who was willing to blow 10K on an item may want to hold on to their gold instead. Im thinking hi-end (hi-priced) auction items may suffer a down in value.....10% maybe 15%? I dont see it getting hit any harder than that.

And I may be misunderstanding it. But I dont think anyone is stuck at selling a token at 30k gold if they so dont choose. So I can buy 15 tokens and blow them out the door at 20K if I want. Or did blizzard lock the prices?

I see high priced auctions going up because some one with too much money will just spam sell tokens and buy up all the stuff. for those who played on Malygos around 2006 should remember the name Perber. the guy would literally buy out everything on the AH and repost it for much higher prices. He only did this because people would still pay for it.

to be fair he was a decent guy, just had no problems taking advantage of the AH and the stupid amount of gold he had.

So youre thinking that the ones with RL money will cause an inflation in the price of the non-token auctions?

Hmm, I could see that happening.

Would take only 2-3 disposable income people per faction to cause a bit of some runaway inflation.

Nice.

Hokie · April 2015

Originally posted by Nitth
I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

Why would Blizzard care, as long as people were still spending $20 real cash?

The more people that spend $20 to buy a token the more money they make. It doent matter what they are being sold/bought for in-game, because in-game gold has no real value.

Hell, if they really wanted to the could create a few characters of their own and then />admin spawngold 1000000 /name:blizaccnt01

And then buy up their own tokens, lets say 100 of them. So they've used virtual money (that costs them nothing) to make themselves $2000 (in real money).

The great part is it doesnt even matter what they buy them at. Because no matter what the tokens are still purchased with a real twenty dollar bill ($20).

Sephiroso · April 2015

Originally posted by Hokie
Originally posted by Nitth
I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

Why would Blizzard care, as long as people were still spending $20 real cash?

The more people that spend $20 to buy a token the more money they make. It doent matter what they are being sold/bought for in-game, because in-game gold has no real value.

Hell, if they really wanted to the could create a few characters of their own and then />admin spawngold 1000000 /name:blizaccnt01

And then buy up their own tokens, lets say 100 of them. So they've used virtual money (that costs them nothing) to make themselves $2000 (in real money).

The great part is it doesnt even matter what they buy them at. Because no matter what the tokens are still purchased with a real twenty dollar bill ($20).

This is why people like you are not in charge of anything important. Oh, except the US government.

Yaevindusk · April 2015

Originally posted by observer
I expected them to be more, around 50k or higher. 30k is actually quite high still. The only people that can make 30k a month are gold farmers and AH power-players. You can't make this casually. You'll have to actually farm this every month. That's just the starting price though, and it will eventually drop depending on the supply and demand of the thing.

I could make a couple hundred thousand a week from having multiple max levels, perusing the crafting system, exploiting the auction house and doing a specific raid on each character. That was maybe playing an hour a day (after the first month of rushing characters to max).

Making gold is incredibly simple in WoD.

Sephiroso · April 2015

Originally posted by Yaevindusk

doing a specific raid on each character.

I too enjoyed doing that specific raid on each character.

Hokie · April 2015

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Hokie
Originally posted by Nitth
I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

Why would Blizzard care, as long as people were still spending $20 real cash?

The more people that spend $20 to buy a token the more money they make. It doent matter what they are being sold/bought for in-game, because in-game gold has no real value.

Hell, if they really wanted to the could create a few characters of their own and then />admin spawngold 1000000 /name:blizaccnt01

And then buy up their own tokens, lets say 100 of them. So they've used virtual money (that costs them nothing) to make themselves $2000 (in real money).

The great part is it doesnt even matter what they buy them at. Because no matter what the tokens are still purchased with a real twenty dollar bill ($20).

This is why people like you are not in charge of anything important. Oh, except the US government.

How did you know I work for the Government?

SBFord · April 2015

Originally posted by Hokie
And I may be misunderstanding it. But I dont think anyone is stuck at selling a token at 30k gold if they so dont choose. So I can buy 15 tokens and blow them out the door at 20K if I want. Or did blizzard lock the prices?

There is a separate regional (versus server) auction house. Whatever "the market" demands will be the set price for ALL tokens on the market at that time and all will be adjusted according to fluctuations in the supply/demand chain. Players can neither arbitrarily set prices for the tokens, nor can they be traded face-to-face between parties, but only via the special, regional Auction House.

Hokie · April 2015

Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by Hokie
And I may be misunderstanding it. But I dont think anyone is stuck at selling a token at 30k gold if they so dont choose. So I can buy 15 tokens and blow them out the door at 20K if I want. Or did blizzard lock the prices?

There is a separate regional (versus server) auction house. Whatever "the market" demands will be the set price for ALL tokens on the market at that time and all will be adjusted according to fluctuations in the supply/demand chain. Players can neither arbitrarily set prices for the tokens, nor can they be traded face-to-face between parties, but only via the special, regional Auction House.

Ahh I understand now. Shit.

Well so much for my WoW world gold domination scam.

Rusque · April 2015

Originally posted by Hokie
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Hokie
Originally posted by Nitth
I bet there is a hard cap that determines that the price cannot go below say 20,000.

So i don't believe for a second that supply and demand controls anything.

Why would Blizzard care, as long as people were still spending $20 real cash?

The more people that spend $20 to buy a token the more money they make. It doent matter what they are being sold/bought for in-game, because in-game gold has no real value.

Hell, if they really wanted to the could create a few characters of their own and then />admin spawngold 1000000 /name:blizaccnt01

And then buy up their own tokens, lets say 100 of them. So they've used virtual money (that costs them nothing) to make themselves $2000 (in real money).

The great part is it doesnt even matter what they buy them at. Because no matter what the tokens are still purchased with a real twenty dollar bill ($20).

This is why people like you are not in charge of anything important. Oh, except the US government.

How did you know I work for the Government?

We know you it's you Obama, can't fool us clever people.

gervaise1 · April 2015

Originally posted by MrBum21
Originally posted by Hokie

I see high priced auctions going up because some one with too much money will just spam sell tokens and buy up all the stuff. for those who played on Malygos around 2006 should remember the name Perber. the guy would literally buy out everything on the AH and repost it for much higher prices. He only did this because people would still pay for it.

to be fair he was a decent guy, just had no problems taking advantage of the AH and the stupid amount of gold he had.

As mentioned above the price at which the tokens can be sold is fixed.

I think you are suggesting however that someone buys the tokens at the fixed price and then "spam sells" them on to someone else? That avenue is blocked however because the tokens bought on the AH are soul bound.

gervaise1 · April 2015

Originally posted by Yaevindusk

I could make a couple hundred thousand a week from having multiple max levels, perusing the crafting system, exploiting the auction house and doing a specific raid on each character. That was maybe playing an hour a day (after the first month of rushing characters to max).

Making gold is incredibly simple in WoD.

And if you decide to do that and buy tokens I suspect Blizzard will be perfectly happy. If you think it through:

Blizzard gets $20 from the person who wants gold; gold seller loses out on $20;
You buy the token on the AH and so don't pay your $15 sub
As long as the person paying the $20 gets "enough gold" they should be happy

Blizzard gains $5; you "gain" $15; the person who wants gold is happy; the loser is the gold seller.

Now if no one wants $20 worth of gold and the typical gold seller transaction is $5 or whatever Blizzard will have to rethink.

What will happen to the AH - hard to say; I think you have to assume that the AH is already being used by gold farmers to generate some of the gold. Will be interesting to see how it plays out though.

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