Well now they have sold over 4 million actually and we have no idea about the sub numbers. The underlined is pure speculation and IMO bad speculation at that.
Since Square are so untrustworthy with their figures and have been proven to be many times I'll wait and see on that 4 million figure (they will never say), again it says "accounts". Free trial players make "accounts", beta players made "accounts".
Accounts do not mean subscribers, nor do they mean sales. If you say otherwise show me on that page where it says so with a little *
When a company refuses to use specific terms like sales or subscribers it's because they are trying to fool you.
I say it has below average subscriber numbers because ESO peaked at 750k subscribers and was considered a failure, FFXIV never even got to that number at it's peak.
Create a FINAL FANTASY XIV Free Trial account upon launching the software"
Unless you are telling me that free trial registration and beta players go on a different registered database and don't play with current players? I already know they are combined btw.
I am not really what one would call a returning player. I played FFXIV when it first came out, hated it and left. I came back when ARR was released, but then didn't have time to play and now, i find some time on my hands. I am just wondering if FFXIV is still alive and kicking, is it fun? does it have endgame?
Yeah, it's a really active game.
I started about 2 weeks ago and am only L36 right now but I have an active Free Company that does stuff with me as I level and, when not, never have a problem getting a group via the duty finder. I am playing White Mage though, it must be said. I have yet to encounter anyone being an asshole in an instance yet, even when we had to run at a end boss a few rimes to manage to kill him.
Wherever I go in the world I see people, it's very much alive and kicking.
From what I have read, it has a stack of endgame. Loads of it.
Well now they have sold over 4 million actually and we have no idea about the sub numbers. The underlined is pure speculation and IMO bad speculation at that.
Since Square are so untrustworthy with their figures and have been proven to be many times I'll wait and see on that 4 million figure (they will never say), again it says "accounts". Free trial players make "accounts", beta players made "accounts".
Accounts do not mean subscribers, nor do they mean sales. If you say otherwise show me on that page where it says so with a little *
When a company refuses to use specific terms like sales or subscribers it's because they are trying to fool you.
I say it has below average subscriber numbers because ESO peaked at 750k subscribers and was considered a failure, FFXIV never even got to that number at it's peak.
“Fledgling adventurers continue to arrive in Eorzea in droves,” says Square, “and we are pleased to announce that the realm is now home to four million registered accounts.” According to Square, that number represents global registered accounts and does not include trial accounts.
To celebrate, Final Fantasy XIV is hosting a free login campaign that starts Friday, February 27th, at 3:00 a.m. EST and runs through Monday, March 9th, at 4:00 a.m. EST. You’ll need to have previously purchased and registered your copy of A Realm Reborn and have an inactive account to be eligible. Alternatively there’s a 14-day Steam demo.
The four million figure represents a healthy increase from the 2.5 million reported by Square in December, 2014.
As I said, there is some form of padding going on there.
Square said they had 2.5million registered accounts in January and they magically went from 2.5 to 4 million in a few months? If that was true they would of had to add more servers.
To play the free trial you have to make a registered account which plays on active servers.
Well now they have sold over 4 million actually and we have no idea about the sub numbers. The underlined is pure speculation and IMO bad speculation at that.
Since Square are so untrustworthy with their figures and have been proven to be many times I'll wait and see on that 4 million figure (they will never say), again it says "accounts". Free trial players make "accounts", beta players made "accounts".
Accounts do not mean subscribers, nor do they mean sales. If you say otherwise show me on that page where it says so with a little *
When a company refuses to use specific terms like sales or subscribers it's because they are trying to fool you.
I say it has below average subscriber numbers because ESO peaked at 750k subscribers and was considered a failure, FFXIV never even got to that number at it's peak.
“Fledgling adventurers continue to arrive in Eorzea in droves,” says Square, “and we are pleased to announce that the realm is now home to four million registered accounts.” According to Square, that number represents global registered accounts and does not include trial accounts.
To celebrate, Final Fantasy XIV is hosting a free login campaign that starts Friday, February 27th, at 3:00 a.m. EST and runs through Monday, March 9th, at 4:00 a.m. EST. You’ll need to have previously purchased and registered your copy of A Realm Reborn and have an inactive account to be eligible. Alternatively there’s a 14-day Steam demo.
The four million figure represents a healthy increase from the 2.5 million reported by Square in December, 2014.
As I said, there is some form of padding going on there.
Square said they had 2.5million registered accounts in January and they magically went from 2.5 to 4 million in a few months? If that was true they would of had to add more servers.
To play the free trial you have to make a registered account which plays on active servers.
LOL, take a statement from a website that pulled their information from an interview over a year ago which they said they had over 2.5 million registered accounts and roughly 500k subscribers and tout it as fact? Also, taking a number from a source that can't be confirmed correct for the number of subscribers for ESO as fact?
You sir, win the award for pulling numbers out of your **** and sitting here trying to correct other people? Too funny.
And this gem here, a conspiracy theory when the article clearly states free trials doesn't count. LMAO
And where in this universe a user base of 500k subscriptions not average or even above average. Please name me all the MMORPGs that can boast that number?
Well now they have sold over 4 million actually and we have no idea about the sub numbers. The underlined is pure speculation and IMO bad speculation at that.
Since Square are so untrustworthy with their figures and have been proven to be many times I'll wait and see on that 4 million figure (they will never say), again it says "accounts". Free trial players make "accounts", beta players made "accounts".
Accounts do not mean subscribers, nor do they mean sales. If you say otherwise show me on that page where it says so with a little *
When a company refuses to use specific terms like sales or subscribers it's because they are trying to fool you.
I say it has below average subscriber numbers because ESO peaked at 750k subscribers and was considered a failure, FFXIV never even got to that number at it's peak.
“Fledgling adventurers continue to arrive in Eorzea in droves,” says Square, “and we are pleased to announce that the realm is now home to four million registered accounts.” According to Square, that number represents global registered accounts and does not include trial accounts.
To celebrate, Final Fantasy XIV is hosting a free login campaign that starts Friday, February 27th, at 3:00 a.m. EST and runs through Monday, March 9th, at 4:00 a.m. EST. You’ll need to have previously purchased and registered your copy of A Realm Reborn and have an inactive account to be eligible. Alternatively there’s a 14-day Steam demo.
The four million figure represents a healthy increase from the 2.5 million reported by Square in December, 2014.
As I said, there is some form of padding going on there.
Square said they had 2.5million registered accounts in January and they magically went from 2.5 to 4 million in a few months? If that was true they would of had to add more servers.
To play the free trial you have to make a registered account which plays on active servers.
Yup, with the sales in china being a big boost to the accounts being made during that time. I think it just took a while for them to get around to adding them to the numbers. To the underlined they said they don't count free trials so believe them or not it's up to you my friend.
It's possible the 1.5 mill addition is purely from Chinese sales I suppose, but it's not a given to be true and you are just assuming it to be the case with no evidence. They have padded and mislead with figures before.
Also keep in mind that 1 million sales are not that great for China, Rift had 1 million registered accounts in it's first 4 months in China. It closed down within the year, the real kicker? The same company that ran and closed Rift China is the one that runs FFXIV there too. So with similar numbers to a previous title they ran, they considered it a flop and closed it down.
Hopefully the financial report will set the record straight.
Actually, I take that back. Shandra games who runs FFXIV in China are a seperate entitly so Chinese player numbers won't be listed anywhere on the financial report.
Next time get your facts straight before spreading misinformation.
I'll admit i was wrong about the amount of registered users. However, i did some google searching several days ago, and i never came across that article or any other claim that it was 4 million, so i was relying on my own searches.
We're talking about registered accounts though.. not subscribers. That's the real issue here. To claim that FFXIV has 4 million "players", which infers subscribers, is flat out wrong.
It's possible the 1.5 mill addition is purely from Chinese sales I suppose, but it's not a given to be true and you are just assuming it to be the case with no evidence. They have padded and mislead with figures before.
Hopefully the financial report will set the record straight, should that not be out by now btw?
Is this what you've been doing from the beginning? LMAO
Next time get your facts straight before spreading misinformation.
I'll admit i was wrong about the amount of registered users. However, i did some google searching several days ago, and i never came across that article or any other claim that it was 4 million, so i was relying on my own searches.
We're talking about registered accounts though.. not subscribers. That's the real issue here. To claim that FFXIV has 4 million "players", which infers subscribers, is flat out wrong.
Well, if it means anything to you, the Heavensward trailer/opening ends with "Join Over 4 Million Adventurers Worldwide".
Next time get your facts straight before spreading misinformation.
I'll admit i was wrong about the amount of registered users. However, i did some google searching several days ago, and i never came across that article or any other claim that it was 4 million, so i was relying on my own searches.
We're talking about registered accounts though.. not subscribers. That's the real issue here. To claim that FFXIV has 4 million "players", which infers subscribers, is flat out wrong.
Well, if it means anything to you, the Heavensward trailer/opening ends with "Join Over 4 Million Adventurers Worldwide".
Far from 4 million, last year they clam they had over 2 million, but came out they had close to 1 million with all 3 games put together in there report.
Originally posted by thyraven From spring 2014 to spring 2015 it went from 2mill to 4mill players. They must be doing something right
It has 500k players, never had 1million let alone 2 or 4 XD Registered players are not subscribers.
The game sold 2 million copies from Spring 2014 to Spring 2015, they must be doing something right.
No, the figure does not include free trials.
I wouldnt argue with Scorpex-x, he's going to pull up an old article that has no relevancy to today's numbers and call it fact.
Oh, but that's the best part: calling him out on his BS.
You didn't call me on anything, I said registered users are not subscribers and that the game had never seen anywhere near 1 million subscribers. I am correct, you know I am and as such you didn't argue the point. You just made a different one.
Square recently responded to a games news site about this and responded with :
"Square Enix tells MCV that the actual number of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn paying subscribers sits at 500,000, with over 2.5m registered users." January 5th 2015 at 2:44AM GMT
If you want to argue sales, well ok. A few things,
1st. total sales of the game combined V1 and ARR sales together, so total sales are no impressing me that much.
2nd. The game is selling for almost nothing, and has done since launch. With regular half price sales of $10 on steam, it's basically selling for bargain bin prices so lets not show off about sales figures too much. The game is selling at a loss and always has.
3rd. Those are sales numbers for 3 regions when most games MMO sales figures are for NA and EU alone.
4th. A game like GW2 sold 3.5 million copies at full price in one year for North America and Europe alone.
As I said, it's a run of the mill title. It has below average subscriber numbers and average sales numbers for a very cheap title, it is also a game where the publishers use massive amounts of padding and try to confuse people with misleading numbers. You know this as well as I do, the difference is that you try to make the game look better by using these padded and misleading numbers. I just tell it like it is.
I'm not impressed with fake numbers to try impress people for this game anymore than I am on WoW when they state they had 100 million "players", the difference is that Blizzard don't use those numbers to try to confuse people into thinking they actually have 100 million subscribers. Square and some of its fans do.
A generic hater tactic in play here. Let's include the full quote for everyone to see here. By the way, I was talking about the past and the future in my post there. I can usually count on you to post some BS that I can call out like now. If there's something you never do, it is disappoint.
"These MMO figures actually come from an original financial report that was filed on March 31st, 2014. Square Enix tells MCV that the actual number of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn paying subscribers sits at 500,000, with over 2.5m registered users. These numbers do not include the game's performance in China, which charges Chinese gamers on a per-minute pay model."
"Oops. Including the full quote might've seen FFXIV in a better light than my agenda dictates. Better to just omit it."
Speaking of Blizzard, they have no problem including the Chinese in their "subscriptions" figures even though the Chinese version works using a completely different model. Gives such a nice boost to the sub numbers too. So do you want to say more about Blizzard not using their numbers to try to confuse people?
The rest of the fallacies in your argument should be obvious to anyone. 1.0 sales are a mere fraction of ARR sales, but they are indeed included. All games have regular discounts for half the price, not just ARR. In nobody's world is 4 million in sales a small number except if you have an agenda. Lastly stating "X million registered users" is confusing only if you happen to be dyslexic. Which, all things considered, would make complete sense here.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
pretiest mmo,but remember its the old game that they fixed.
its very grindy,the enemys just stand around and wait to be killed.
i got so pissed when i did missions where you have to call a npc to follow you and delivering kookies and envelopes.
neverwinter is a mush cheaper game and the missions dont feel like they are there just to waist time.
old traditional boring grindy missions that give mmos a bad name.
the dungeons is ok but you have to grind to get to the levels to do them,i feel like after 25$ they are stealing my money and a subscription on top of it,you must be kidding me.
get bloodborne.
In other words I seriously doubt about number of players playing. Same (and something more) with me. But I guess someday might return and try when I will need break from Wow, Swtor, Gw2, ... which will not happen so soon.
Next time get your facts straight before spreading misinformation.
I'll admit i was wrong about the amount of registered users. However, i did some google searching several days ago, and i never came across that article or any other claim that it was 4 million, so i was relying on my own searches.
We're talking about registered accounts though.. not subscribers. That's the real issue here. To claim that FFXIV has 4 million "players", which infers subscribers, is flat out wrong.
It says "registered accounts", not "players". It is completely self-explanatory and you took that "players" word out of your butt. "Registered accounts" does not infer "subcribers" in any shape or form like "players" might. The amount of copies sold, while not the most important metric for an MMO, is still an important figure.
Please quit while you're behind.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
It's possible the 1.5 mill addition is purely from Chinese sales I suppose, but it's not a given to be true and you are just assuming it to be the case with no evidence. They have padded and mislead with figures before.
Also keep in mind that 1 million sales are not that great for China, Rift had 1 million registered accounts in it's first 4 months in China. It closed down within the year, the real kicker? The same company that ran and closed Rift China is the one that runs FFXIV there too. So with similar numbers to a previous title they ran, they considered it a flop and closed it down.
Hopefully the financial report will set the record straight.
Actually, I take that back. Shandra games who runs FFXIV in China are a seperate entitly so Chinese player numbers won't be listed anywhere on the financial report.
scorpex-x showing his true side once again. It took quite a while this time to come up with the conspiracy theories.
The biggest (though not the only) fallacy in this reply is obvious:
scorpex-x, while relying on figures alone, tries to make a leap of logic that said figures are an indicator of how the companies will do business in the future. The stupidity of this logic comes from the fact SE does not operate the way Trion does for their respective MMOs. Trion, with similar sub numbers or even larger sub numbers decided to cut on the dev costs, go F2P, and overall fail hard in the P2P scene. SE is always trucking along, always pumping out so much value to the customers they could not tell if FFXIV had 10 million subs or 500k. Rift ends their operations in China, FFXIV just continues to expand year after year (they even had a live event in Mexico this week to promote the game, sign of things to come? anyone can decide for themselves).
The fact is that with similar or smaller sub numbers, FFXIV is operating on a completely different reality than any of the games scorpex-x or anyone with an agenda would compare them to. With subs like Rift's they support the game like they were WoW. Meanwhile SE seems completely happy with the game's success and neither the subs nor the devs are showing signs of windling. In fact metrics like Steam Charts has shown constant growth in concurrent player numbers ever since June 2014 (after the initial spiking and dropping in the Spring).
Guys like scorpex-x are so desperate to cling on the figures like they had any real world validity. The sad fact is they hardly do. These people are arguing empty figures over and over again in FFXIV forums like this, and you know what's the most ironic thing? All they're accomplishing is driving traffic to the FFXIV forums, encouraging multi-page discussions and all around promoting FFXIV with their more-than-obvious agenda anyone could see from a mile away. It's like WoW all over again here.
The figures only matter if they had actual consequences. A cause-effect relationship. In FFXIV's case, they do not.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
All other posts about FF14 on this forum really just make me think that they actually hired bunch of gunner writers to post ridiculous stuff here;
I mean I really do second that the game is dead and gone but damn!!! All these high praises from other posts are unreal with highly faked interests / friendliness, is like to have mouthful of pure white sugar. That's totally sick!
All other posts about FF14 on this forum really just make me think that they actually hired bunch of gunner writers to post ridiculous stuff here;
I mean I really do second that the game is dead and gone but damn!!! All these high praises from other posts are unreal with highly faked interests / friendliness, is like to have mouthful of pure white sugar. That's totally sick!
All other posts about FF14 on this forum really just make me think that they actually hired bunch of gunner writers to post ridiculous stuff here;
I mean I really do second that the game is dead and gone but damn!!! All these high praises from other posts are unreal with highly faked interests / friendliness, is like to have mouthful of pure white sugar. That's totally sick!
ff14 is the 2nd most played MMORPG in occident after Wow, and it doesn't even include console players.
This chart is from February 2015, when SE had two free weekends that included 4 days in February. This misleadingly boosts the player numbers and is only part of the greater conspiracy within Square-Enix to make the game's progress seem better than it truly is in their financial report. Now it also seems that statista.com and SE have been working together to bring about this completely unaccurate chart showing that the game is doing well. Makes one wonder what other media has SE been influencing to misrepresent the reality?
- scorpex-x
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
So many WoW players trying to beat it down Go back to your caves.
I can say to whoever looks for a great community, come try FFXIV, In my 1 year of playing i have close to never encountered disrespectful players. I did that daily in my years in WoW. WoW is full or retards and FFXIV is full of awesome people. The choice is obvious ^^ The best themepark mmo imo
Edit: And its far from dead. Full servers every day, guaranteed.
Here is a tip for for the 2 main defenders of the game that post here, the ones that know what the figures actually are as well as the rest of us that know the difference between subscribers and registered numbers or accounts and sales. Take it or leave it.
You know as well as I and others that certain figures are misleading and that some post it wrongly, if you own that and correct them then people like me won't have to correct them. If you own it, you take away its power. Also no, correcting it on page 5 when people have already had to come in and do it for you is not really doing that.
I and many others you classify as "haters" would not of even posted in this thread at all if an untruth was corrected by people that know better yet let it slide, don't say it wasn't seen because as I said before, some of you guys practically live here.
I'm not hating on FFXIV, I'm just telling it like it is. When I see someone say that FFXIV is the 2nd most profitable or has the 2nd most subscribers for any p2p MMO I have to correct them because it' is incorrect. The people that post here that love the game know this isn't true also but they like when people are confused about it. If a Wildstar or ESO player did the same we would call them on it too.
FFXIV IS an average MMO, it is average in every way including sub numbers and sales. Here is a major newsflash, there is nothing wrong with that at all. This isn't a goto the moon or go home situation. The game doesn't have haters, the players that defend against facts have haters.
Some FFXIV players seem to be incredibly insecure and have to use inflated numbers or mislead in order to feel good about their game, if you feel the need to defend the game against facts then you aren't really in a good position to defend anything.
I played FFXI for 4 years and I never saw this level of insecurity before, FFXI players played their game and just took the game with however many subs or players it had. They were not insecure if someone posted it actually had 100k subs instead of 500k
Here is a tip for for the 2 main defenders of the game that post here, the ones that know what the figures actually are as well as the rest of us that know the difference between subscribers and registered numbers or accounts and sales. Take it or leave it.
You know as well as I and others that certain figures are misleading and that some post it wrongly, if you own that and correct them then people like me won't have to correct them. If you own it, you take away its power. Also no, correcting it on page 5 when people have already had to come in and do it for you is not really doing that.
I and many others you classify as "haters" would not of even posted in this thread at all if an untruth was corrected by people that know better yet let it slide, don't say it wasn't seen because as I said before, some of you guys practically live here.
I'm not hating on FFXIV, I'm just telling it like it is. When I see someone say that FFXIV is the 2nd most profitable or has the 2nd most subscribers for any p2p MMO I have to correct them because it' is incorrect. The people that post here that love the game know this isn't true also but they like when people are confused about it. If a Wildstar or ESO player did the same we would call them on it too.
FFXIV IS an average MMO, it is average in every way including sub numbers and sales. Here is a major newsflash, there is nothing wrong with that at all. This isn't a goto the moon or go home situation. The game doesn't have haters, the players that defend against facts have haters.
Some FFXIV players seem to be incredibly insecure and have to use inflated numbers or mislead in order to feel good about their game, if you feel the need to defend the game against facts then you aren't really in a good position to defend anything.
I played FFXI for 4 years and I never saw this level of insecurity before, FFXI players played their game and just took the game with however many subs or players it had. They were not insecure if someone posted it actually had 100k subs instead of 500k
The figures only matter if they had actual consequences. A cause-effect relationship. In FFXIV's case, they do not. This fact alone makes FFXIV more than just an average MMO.
How many times must it be repeated before you finally get it? I am only telling it how it is, but you keep clinging on to your figures in desperation. Figures alone mean nothing. It is only what they represent what ultimately matters. In FFXIV's case they represent nothing of the ordinary.
From now on, every time you cling to figures this reply gets posted. Until something actually changes and FFXIV turns into an average MMO, this reply overrules anything you'll ever say regarding the figures. Using empty figures to attack a game is the epitome of insecurity. Making up conspiracy theories regarding the free weekends could win you the gold medal of insecure championships. Come up with facts with actual real world consequences if you want to be taken seriously.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
This game is alive and doing very well I assure you. Numbers don't lie and they tell a very straight forward tale. Now onto the game. I basically have 5 games I play regularly/leave and come back to. This game is one of them. Keep in mind I have tried many, many games and none of the games out today can keep my interest. This is one of the few that can. I will also say getting together with a good group of people in this game, like others, will make this game much more enjoyable.
Here is a tip for for the 2 main defenders of the game that post here, the ones that know what the figures actually are as well as the rest of us that know the difference between subscribers and registered numbers or accounts and sales. Take it or leave it.
You know as well as I and others that certain figures are misleading and that some post it wrongly, if you own that and correct them then people like me won't have to correct them. If you own it, you take away its power. Also no, correcting it on page 5 when people have already had to come in and do it for you is not really doing that.
I and many others you classify as "haters" would not of even posted in this thread at all if an untruth was corrected by people that know better yet let it slide, don't say it wasn't seen because as I said before, some of you guys practically live here.
I'm not hating on FFXIV, I'm just telling it like it is. When I see someone say that FFXIV is the 2nd most profitable or has the 2nd most subscribers for any p2p MMO I have to correct them because it' is incorrect. The people that post here that love the game know this isn't true also but they like when people are confused about it. If a Wildstar or ESO player did the same we would call them on it too.
FFXIV IS an average MMO, it is average in every way including sub numbers and sales. Here is a major newsflash, there is nothing wrong with that at all. This isn't a goto the moon or go home situation. The game doesn't have haters, the players that defend against facts have haters.
Some FFXIV players seem to be incredibly insecure and have to use inflated numbers or mislead in order to feel good about their game, if you feel the need to defend the game against facts then you aren't really in a good position to defend anything.
I played FFXI for 4 years and I never saw this level of insecurity before, FFXI players played their game and just took the game with however many subs or players it had. They were not insecure if someone posted it actually had 100k subs instead of 500k
The figures only matter if they had actual consequences. A cause-effect relationship. In FFXIV's case, they do not. This fact alone makes FFXIV more than just an average MMO.
How many times must it be repeated before you finally get it? I am only telling it how it is, but you keep clinging on to your figures in desperation. Figures alone mean nothing. It is only what they represent what ultimately matters. In FFXIV's case they represent nothing of the ordinary.
From now on, every time you cling to figures this reply gets posted. Until something actually changes and FFXIV turns into an average MMO, this reply overrules anything you'll ever say regarding the figures. Using empty figures to attack a game is the epitome of insecurity. Making up conspiracy theories regarding the free weekends could win you the gold medal of insecure championships. Come up with facts with actual real world consequences if you want to be taken seriously.
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Is the word "sales" invisible?
Again you have to make an account/a registered account to play the beta for free, to play the free trial.
Here:
"Try FINAL FANTASY XIV For Free
How to Get StartedYeah, it's a really active game.
I started about 2 weeks ago and am only L36 right now but I have an active Free Company that does stuff with me as I level and, when not, never have a problem getting a group via the duty finder. I am playing White Mage though, it must be said. I have yet to encounter anyone being an asshole in an instance yet, even when we had to run at a end boss a few rimes to manage to kill him.
Wherever I go in the world I see people, it's very much alive and kicking.
From what I have read, it has a stack of endgame. Loads of it.
As I said, there is some form of padding going on there.
Square said they had 2.5million registered accounts in January and they magically went from 2.5 to 4 million in a few months? If that was true they would of had to add more servers.
To play the free trial you have to make a registered account which plays on active servers.
LOL, take a statement from a website that pulled their information from an interview over a year ago which they said they had over 2.5 million registered accounts and roughly 500k subscribers and tout it as fact? Also, taking a number from a source that can't be confirmed correct for the number of subscribers for ESO as fact?
You sir, win the award for pulling numbers out of your **** and sitting here trying to correct other people? Too funny.
And this gem here, a conspiracy theory when the article clearly states free trials doesn't count. LMAO
And where in this universe a user base of 500k subscriptions not average or even above average. Please name me all the MMORPGs that can boast that number?
It's possible the 1.5 mill addition is purely from Chinese sales I suppose, but it's not a given to be true and you are just assuming it to be the case with no evidence. They have padded and mislead with figures before.
Also keep in mind that 1 million sales are not that great for China, Rift had 1 million registered accounts in it's first 4 months in China. It closed down within the year, the real kicker? The same company that ran and closed Rift China is the one that runs FFXIV there too. So with similar numbers to a previous title they ran, they considered it a flop and closed it down.
Hopefully the financial report will set the record straight.
Actually, I take that back. Shandra games who runs FFXIV in China are a seperate entitly so Chinese player numbers won't be listed anywhere on the financial report.
I'll admit i was wrong about the amount of registered users. However, i did some google searching several days ago, and i never came across that article or any other claim that it was 4 million, so i was relying on my own searches.
We're talking about registered accounts though.. not subscribers. That's the real issue here. To claim that FFXIV has 4 million "players", which infers subscribers, is flat out wrong.
Is this what you've been doing from the beginning? LMAO
FFXIV have to much too do, many raids and many dungeons to do. And the Expansion coming out soon too. And mostly server it's high pop.
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Well, if it means anything to you, the Heavensward trailer/opening ends with "Join Over 4 Million Adventurers Worldwide".
LoL. Soon Metacritics will rate games by the number of haters. More haters, higher rating
Far from 4 million, last year they clam they had over 2 million, but came out they had close to 1 million with all 3 games put together in there report.
A generic hater tactic in play here. Let's include the full quote for everyone to see here. By the way, I was talking about the past and the future in my post there. I can usually count on you to post some BS that I can call out like now. If there's something you never do, it is disappoint.
"These MMO figures actually come from an original financial report that was filed on March 31st, 2014. Square Enix tells MCV that the actual number of Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn paying subscribers sits at 500,000, with over 2.5m registered users. These numbers do not include the game's performance in China, which charges Chinese gamers on a per-minute pay model."
"Oops. Including the full quote might've seen FFXIV in a better light than my agenda dictates. Better to just omit it."
Speaking of Blizzard, they have no problem including the Chinese in their "subscriptions" figures even though the Chinese version works using a completely different model. Gives such a nice boost to the sub numbers too. So do you want to say more about Blizzard not using their numbers to try to confuse people?
The rest of the fallacies in your argument should be obvious to anyone. 1.0 sales are a mere fraction of ARR sales, but they are indeed included. All games have regular discounts for half the price, not just ARR. In nobody's world is 4 million in sales a small number except if you have an agenda. Lastly stating "X million registered users" is confusing only if you happen to be dyslexic. Which, all things considered, would make complete sense here.
In other words I seriously doubt about number of players playing. Same (and something more) with me. But I guess someday might return and try when I will need break from Wow, Swtor, Gw2, ... which will not happen so soon.
It says "registered accounts", not "players". It is completely self-explanatory and you took that "players" word out of your butt. "Registered accounts" does not infer "subcribers" in any shape or form like "players" might. The amount of copies sold, while not the most important metric for an MMO, is still an important figure.
Please quit while you're behind.
scorpex-x showing his true side once again. It took quite a while this time to come up with the conspiracy theories.
The biggest (though not the only) fallacy in this reply is obvious:
scorpex-x, while relying on figures alone, tries to make a leap of logic that said figures are an indicator of how the companies will do business in the future. The stupidity of this logic comes from the fact SE does not operate the way Trion does for their respective MMOs. Trion, with similar sub numbers or even larger sub numbers decided to cut on the dev costs, go F2P, and overall fail hard in the P2P scene. SE is always trucking along, always pumping out so much value to the customers they could not tell if FFXIV had 10 million subs or 500k. Rift ends their operations in China, FFXIV just continues to expand year after year (they even had a live event in Mexico this week to promote the game, sign of things to come? anyone can decide for themselves).
The fact is that with similar or smaller sub numbers, FFXIV is operating on a completely different reality than any of the games scorpex-x or anyone with an agenda would compare them to. With subs like Rift's they support the game like they were WoW. Meanwhile SE seems completely happy with the game's success and neither the subs nor the devs are showing signs of windling. In fact metrics like Steam Charts has shown constant growth in concurrent player numbers ever since June 2014 (after the initial spiking and dropping in the Spring).
Guys like scorpex-x are so desperate to cling on the figures like they had any real world validity. The sad fact is they hardly do. These people are arguing empty figures over and over again in FFXIV forums like this, and you know what's the most ironic thing? All they're accomplishing is driving traffic to the FFXIV forums, encouraging multi-page discussions and all around promoting FFXIV with their more-than-obvious agenda anyone could see from a mile away. It's like WoW all over again here.
The figures only matter if they had actual consequences. A cause-effect relationship. In FFXIV's case, they do not.
All other posts about FF14 on this forum really just make me think that they actually hired bunch of gunner writers to post ridiculous stuff here;
I mean I really do second that the game is dead and gone but damn!!! All these high praises from other posts are unreal with highly faked interests / friendliness, is like to have mouthful of pure white sugar. That's totally sick!
Dead and gone ? You're crazy.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/251222/most-played-pc-games/
ff14 is the 2nd most played MMORPG in occident after Wow, and it doesn't even include console players.
This chart is from February 2015, when SE had two free weekends that included 4 days in February. This misleadingly boosts the player numbers and is only part of the greater conspiracy within Square-Enix to make the game's progress seem better than it truly is in their financial report. Now it also seems that statista.com and SE have been working together to bring about this completely unaccurate chart showing that the game is doing well. Makes one wonder what other media has SE been influencing to misrepresent the reality?
- scorpex-x
So many WoW players trying to beat it down
Go back to your caves.
I can say to whoever looks for a great community, come try FFXIV, In my 1 year of playing i have close to never encountered disrespectful players. I did that daily in my years in WoW. WoW is full or retards and FFXIV is full of awesome people. The choice is obvious ^^ The best themepark mmo imo
Edit: And its far from dead. Full servers every day, guaranteed.
Ive played wow on and off since vanilla, same with FFXIV.
Both have things I dislike and like but both are good mmo's and I prefer to sub rarther than having a cash shop pushed in my face all the time.
You don't have to like one or the other and it possible to enjoy both games OP should give it FFXIV a go!
Currently in wow, but will sub to FFXIV next month with the release of expansion.
Playing: FFXIV
Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic
Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
Interesting Fact - I own 27 Tarantula's
Here is a tip for for the 2 main defenders of the game that post here, the ones that know what the figures actually are as well as the rest of us that know the difference between subscribers and registered numbers or accounts and sales. Take it or leave it.
You know as well as I and others that certain figures are misleading and that some post it wrongly, if you own that and correct them then people like me won't have to correct them. If you own it, you take away its power. Also no, correcting it on page 5 when people have already had to come in and do it for you is not really doing that.
I and many others you classify as "haters" would not of even posted in this thread at all if an untruth was corrected by people that know better yet let it slide, don't say it wasn't seen because as I said before, some of you guys practically live here.
I'm not hating on FFXIV, I'm just telling it like it is. When I see someone say that FFXIV is the 2nd most profitable or has the 2nd most subscribers for any p2p MMO I have to correct them because it' is incorrect. The people that post here that love the game know this isn't true also but they like when people are confused about it. If a Wildstar or ESO player did the same we would call them on it too.
FFXIV IS an average MMO, it is average in every way including sub numbers and sales. Here is a major newsflash, there is nothing wrong with that at all. This isn't a goto the moon or go home situation. The game doesn't have haters, the players that defend against facts have haters.
Some FFXIV players seem to be incredibly insecure and have to use inflated numbers or mislead in order to feel good about their game, if you feel the need to defend the game against facts then you aren't really in a good position to defend anything.
I played FFXI for 4 years and I never saw this level of insecurity before, FFXI players played their game and just took the game with however many subs or players it had. They were not insecure if someone posted it actually had 100k subs instead of 500k
The figures only matter if they had actual consequences. A cause-effect relationship. In FFXIV's case, they do not. This fact alone makes FFXIV more than just an average MMO.
How many times must it be repeated before you finally get it? I am only telling it how it is, but you keep clinging on to your figures in desperation. Figures alone mean nothing. It is only what they represent what ultimately matters. In FFXIV's case they represent nothing of the ordinary.
From now on, every time you cling to figures this reply gets posted. Until something actually changes and FFXIV turns into an average MMO, this reply overrules anything you'll ever say regarding the figures. Using empty figures to attack a game is the epitome of insecurity. Making up conspiracy theories regarding the free weekends could win you the gold medal of insecure championships. Come up with facts with actual real world consequences if you want to be taken seriously.
And Bingo was his name. How many times indeed.