This is a joke. Too little too late. Even if this comes out it will be so full of bugs it will take a year for these idiots to make it playable.
1 item loot? Gee thanks ! How lame. This is nowhere near what UO was like, don't even try to comapre it to that legendary game.
And bounties now? I waited years for something like this. Too bad the game is such garbage now that it doesnt matter. Should have made it like this from day 1, not day 900.
This ploy will not bring anyone back, well at least not me.
Originally posted by valkyrie36 Well..If any of you quit SWG because of these PvP changes...please do not come to EvE. These PvP rules are basically the essence of what EvE is. What does it do for EvE? It makes us group, it makes almost every accomplishment in the game a real accomplishment, it makes for a very vibrant economy. This is the first set of changes I have seen from the devs that might actually have a chance of saving SWG. Maybe not saving it for the current 61% of players that want it to remain a solo game, but it would finally make it a viable MMO. I believe its a step in the right direction..even though I still wouldn't play it again for its really bad combat and profession system.
dont worry no one was planning on going to EVE XD
lol seriously tho did u even read what people were saying up to ur post O_o
and besides loading in SWG is so bad for some people that even if they were grouped they would get ganked while loading into a city by another group.....
AND players would group and just take out people one and a time and probably camp starports the way rare loot drops are camped now......
ALSO with the BH system i bet everyone in here that say they will love it WILL... until they get their first griefing i bet anything that there will be people that go around adding bounties to tons of people as their buddies (full group of BHs) come thru right behind them and gank the hell out of everyone....
hmmm....I enjoy the shotgun approach to game design. Fire off a couple rounds of bird shot, you might hit upon an idea that will catapult you to the success of WoW.
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Originally posted by valkyrie36 Well..If any of you quit SWG because of these PvP changes...please do not come to EvE. These PvP rules are basically the essence of what EvE is. What does it do for EvE? It makes us group, it makes almost every accomplishment in the game a real accomplishment, it makes for a very vibrant economy. This is the first set of changes I have seen from the devs that might actually have a chance of saving SWG. Maybe not saving it for the current 61% of players that want it to remain a solo game, but it would finally make it a viable MMO. I believe its a step in the right direction..even though I still wouldn't play it again for its really bad combat and profession system.
dont worry no one was planning on going to EVE XD
lol seriously tho did u even read what people were saying up to ur post O_o
and besides loading in SWG is so bad for some people that even if they were grouped they would get ganked while loading into a city by another group.....
AND players would group and just take out people one and a time and probably camp starports the way rare loot drops are camped now......
ALSO with the BH system i bet everyone in here that say they will love it WILL... until they get their first griefing i bet anything that there will be people that go around adding bounties to tons of people as their buddies (full group of BHs) come thru right behind them and gank the hell out of everyone....
If you load into a major starport while overt, you deserve to be shot
Originally posted by DuraheLL No, actually, theese are some of the best adds they have made in a loong time. The bounty being brought back and all! WIth loot on each kill! Wow, have they FINALLY turned away from the stupid Carebears which were beating up this game? It's just too bad they add this to a dead game
Oh Bullshot. The PVP whiners is who killed this game with their whining about balance, DOTs and the HAM system. What got us the CU and the cu2-nge.
NO Pve person bitched about "balance" or "pvp rewards" or any of that crap.
PVP is what made this mess.
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They should simply introduce battlegrounds/planets with some interesting objectives (conquering bases, etc) instead of turning the PvP into something that is even less geared towards StarWars-Fans but rather to PK-ers. Not saying that some of these PKer are not StarWars-Fans and vice versa, but the majority of the SW players which apparently SOE so desperatly tries to attract (making the game more star warsy etc) certainly is not all that interested in this hardcore-PvP thing. Imho battlegrounds are the way to go - where people can shuttle to and have nice empire-vs-rebellion fights.
I think it's funny how SOE is trying desperately to bring back their old player base. SOE is hurting right now I assume. It's the only explanation for this change. The "1 item looting" from PvP aspect is a futile attempt and trying to bring back the players that quit.
What a joke. Did they really think this would work?
This is just so sad, I'm really starting to wonder how much owning the Star Wars license is hurting Sony at the moment. A license with so much potential and yet they messed up so badly it isn't even remotely funny.
PvP has been bad since day one, and they have never really tried to fix it. I doubt this will do anything other then maybe turn it into a massive gankfest ... and face it .. there's much better games out there for that.
again a case of too little ... too late ...
and really .. entertainers as combatants ... the idea is fine, but didn't we already have that a long time ago. How about this revolutionary idea ... make entertainers actually useful again.
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by DuraheLL No, actually, theese are some of the best adds they have made in a loong time. The bounty being brought back and all! WIth loot on each kill! Wow, have they FINALLY turned away from the stupid Carebears which were beating up this game? It's just too bad they add this to a dead game
Oh Bullshot. The PVP whiners is who killed this game with their whining about balance, DOTs and the HAM system. What got us the CU and the cu2-nge.
NO Pve person bitched about "balance" or "pvp rewards" or any of that crap.
PVP is what made this mess.
AMEN!
I think someone previously said that it's almost like SOE has a contest to see who can drive away the most subs. There seems to be some truth to that. They are desperately trying to keep people engaged in a game they have totally borked from launch. I played SWG for almost 2 years. I was in a roleplay city/community and had a lot of fun with people. The CU was bullshit from the moment it was released then with the NGE it only got worse. I know some people still play and "enjoy" the game but SOE betrayed their base plain and simple. This Pub only proves they have no clue wtf they are doing and no real direction. It's like Smed and whoever stand in the board room with a dartboard with varies ideas on it and throw darts blindfolded to see what to do next. I swear, I hate SOE with a passion, BUT! If they rolled back the NGE (Ideally the CU as well) I'd be back in a minute. Never happen though. I still follow SWG waiting for the announcement though. It's almost entertaining to just see what the next publish brings and this one didn't disappoint.
From what I can tell though, they haven't really released a lot of info on the new Player bounties. So isn't much of this speculation? As for insurance, I don't think that would fly. Given SOE's record on putting in systems that make sense (READ: They don't), it would seem to me that they'd see the insurance deal for backing up items as a dupe type system. Example, I have uber-wookie-Poo Flinger, I Insure it, then get smoked by a player bounty. For the sake of arguement let's say that item is the one the BH get's to loot. Well I just insured it so now their is one more in the world that the player (BH) didn't have to do X quest to get. Totally exploitable system. Now if I read your Insurance idea the wrong way please forgive me. But that's what I got from the idea.
Personally, I think SOE should just shut the game down and be done with it. They've totally dropped the ball on this franchise (How do you screw up a Star Wars Franchise for Christ sake!?) and need to move on.
If there is ever a SW MMORPG again I hope SOE has nothing to do with it.
after playing SWG since 2 months after launch and only taking breaks when it was a must. *loss of internet or loss of pc* my account is shut off. and if pub 28 is how things are going to be then F*** SWG. i love the game but the NGE blew donkey nuts and will continue to til they figure out how to fix a game that was broken at launch SOE will NEVER EVER get any good games long as they have the idiot devs running there games.
as far as this pub 28. i have missed the last prob 4 publishes i was a BH before i hit jedi. and this "lose 1 item at random" is BULL. what about us jedi who have our sabers and ONLY us can use them. and our elder robes. how are you going to remove stuff that only JEDI can use thats kind of a stupid idea. i wasnt into pvp before or after lvl 90 but now i want to stay away from it even more. soe sucks plain and simple someone needs to get SWG and use the game to its potential.
sorry for the rant. id do this on SWG fourms but i cant since im not a "member" and dont have the money to pay for it. arseholes.
I have no problem with risk involved in pvp but WTF does this have to do with Star Wars?
This has nothing to do with the GCW. Their main reason for choosing this time-frame of Star Wars is because it's the height of the GCW. Its bounty hunter vs jedi wars all over again. At least before it was only BH and Jedi bitching . Now everyone will bitch. Not to mention everyone will have a BH alt just to get revenge on people. Player bounties are a cool little addition to the game but shouldnt be the main focus of pvp.
Believe it or not, NGE was the pub that brought me BACK to SWG - I played from day 1 and quit it just before jump to lightspeed published as I could take no more of the original combat system and the constant grind. I can understand why the people who stayed hated NGE though - they obviously liked the way the game was. Kinda obvious.
But, I do not play SWG for PvP and if this player bounty thing goes live I'm just gonna quit again.
From what I can tell though, they haven't really released a lot of info on the new Player bounties. So isn't much of this speculation? As for insurance, I don't think that would fly. Given SOE's record on putting in systems that make sense (READ: They don't), it would seem to me that they'd see the insurance deal for backing up items as a dupe type system. Example, I have uber-wookie-Poo Flinger, I Insure it, then get smoked by a player bounty. For the sake of arguement let's say that item is the one the BH get's to loot. Well I just insured it so now their is one more in the world that the player (BH) didn't have to do X quest to get. Totally exploitable system. Now if I read your Insurance idea the wrong way please forgive me. But that's what I got from the idea. Personally, I think SOE should just shut the game down and be done with it. They've totally dropped the ball on this franchise (How do you screw up a Star Wars Franchise for Christ sake!?) and need to move on. If there is ever a SW MMORPG again I hope SOE has nothing to do with it.
With my idea of insurance, anything that is insured cannot be looted by your killer. So if you stay smart and insure all the time, you could avoid having stuff looted from you.
From what they've said, there will be stuff that cannot be looted. This would most likely be your Elder Robes, LS, Pearls, etc.
Originally posted by mgscox Believe it or not, NGE was the pub that brought me BACK to SWG - I played from day 1 and quit it just before jump to lightspeed published as I could take no more of the original combat system and the constant grind. I can understand why the people who stayed hated NGE though - they obviously liked the way the game was. Kinda obvious. But, I do not play SWG for PvP and if this player bounty thing goes live I'm just gonna quit again. Dumb-ass stupid idea
If you don't PvP, then how is this going to affect you? You won't be permanently attackable, you still need to go overt to participate in PvP. If you don't do that, then you can't be looted and you can't be hunted
I actually LIKE these new changes believe it or not...
I am an x-SWG player, and if this continues I might return...Great to see Death Penalty is back we need it! Also great idea about bounties /cheer.
The things they need to focus on now are ENTERTAINER and ARTISAN/TRADER prof. Make them fun and important in the game! And of course the WAR...there must be a clear visible conflict that will make the game exciting.
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This is a joke. Too little too late. Even if this comes out it will be so full of bugs it will take a year for these idiots to make it playable.
1 item loot? Gee thanks ! How lame. This is nowhere near what UO was like, don't even try to comapre it to that legendary game.
And bounties now? I waited years for something like this. Too bad the game is such garbage now that it doesnt matter. Should have made it like this from day 1, not day 900.
This ploy will not bring anyone back, well at least not me.
dont worry no one was planning on going to EVE XD
lol seriously tho did u even read what people were saying up to ur post O_o
and besides loading in SWG is so bad for some people that even if they were grouped they would get ganked while loading into a city by another group.....
AND players would group and just take out people one and a time and probably camp starports the way rare loot drops are camped now......
ALSO with the BH system i bet everyone in here that say they will love it WILL... until they get their first griefing i bet anything that there will be people that go around adding bounties to tons of people as their buddies (full group of BHs) come thru right behind them and gank the hell out of everyone....
hmmm....I enjoy the shotgun approach to game design. Fire off a couple rounds of bird shot, you might hit upon an idea that will catapult you to the success of WoW.
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dont worry no one was planning on going to EVE XD
lol seriously tho did u even read what people were saying up to ur post O_o
and besides loading in SWG is so bad for some people that even if they were grouped they would get ganked while loading into a city by another group.....
AND players would group and just take out people one and a time and probably camp starports the way rare loot drops are camped now......
ALSO with the BH system i bet everyone in here that say they will love it WILL... until they get their first griefing i bet anything that there will be people that go around adding bounties to tons of people as their buddies (full group of BHs) come thru right behind them and gank the hell out of everyone....
If you load into a major starport while overt, you deserve to be shot
Oh Bullshot. The PVP whiners is who killed this game with their whining about balance, DOTs and the HAM system. What got us the CU and the cu2-nge.
NO Pve person bitched about "balance" or "pvp rewards" or any of that crap.
PVP is what made this mess.
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Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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They should simply introduce battlegrounds/planets with some interesting objectives (conquering bases, etc) instead of turning the PvP into something that is even less geared towards StarWars-Fans but rather to PK-ers.
Not saying that some of these PKer are not StarWars-Fans and vice versa, but the majority of the SW players which apparently SOE so desperatly tries to attract (making the game more star warsy etc) certainly is not all that interested in this hardcore-PvP thing.
Imho battlegrounds are the way to go - where people can shuttle to and have nice empire-vs-rebellion fights.
I think it's funny how SOE is trying desperately to bring back their old player base. SOE is hurting right now I assume. It's the only explanation for this change. The "1 item looting" from PvP aspect is a futile attempt and trying to bring back the players that quit.
What a joke. Did they really think this would work?
This is just so sad, I'm really starting to wonder how much owning the Star Wars license is hurting Sony at the moment. A license with so much potential and yet they messed up so badly it isn't even remotely funny.
PvP has been bad since day one, and they have never really tried to fix it. I doubt this will do anything other then maybe turn it into a massive gankfest ... and face it .. there's much better games out there for that.
again a case of too little ... too late ...
and really .. entertainers as combatants ... the idea is fine, but didn't we already have that a long time ago. How about this revolutionary idea ... make entertainers actually useful again.
Oh Bullshot. The PVP whiners is who killed this game with their whining about balance, DOTs and the HAM system. What got us the CU and the cu2-nge.
NO Pve person bitched about "balance" or "pvp rewards" or any of that crap.
PVP is what made this mess.
AMEN!
I think someone previously said that it's almost like SOE has a contest to see who can drive away the most subs. There seems to be some truth to that. They are desperately trying to keep people engaged in a game they have totally borked from launch. I played SWG for almost 2 years. I was in a roleplay city/community and had a lot of fun with people. The CU was bullshit from the moment it was released then with the NGE it only got worse. I know some people still play and "enjoy" the game but SOE betrayed their base plain and simple. This Pub only proves they have no clue wtf they are doing and no real direction. It's like Smed and whoever stand in the board room with a dartboard with varies ideas on it and throw darts blindfolded to see what to do next.
I swear, I hate SOE with a passion, BUT! If they rolled back the NGE (Ideally the CU as well) I'd be back in a minute. Never happen though.
I still follow SWG waiting for the announcement though. It's almost entertaining to just see what the next publish brings and this one didn't disappoint.
From what I can tell though, they haven't really released a lot of info on the new Player bounties. So isn't much of this speculation?
As for insurance, I don't think that would fly. Given SOE's record on putting in systems that make sense (READ: They don't), it would seem to me that they'd see the insurance deal for backing up items as a dupe type system. Example, I have uber-wookie-Poo Flinger, I Insure it, then get smoked by a player bounty. For the sake of arguement let's say that item is the one the BH get's to loot. Well I just insured it so now their is one more in the world that the player (BH) didn't have to do X quest to get. Totally exploitable system.
Now if I read your Insurance idea the wrong way please forgive me. But that's what I got from the idea.
Personally, I think SOE should just shut the game down and be done with it. They've totally dropped the ball on this franchise (How do you screw up a Star Wars Franchise for Christ sake!?) and need to move on.
If there is ever a SW MMORPG again I hope SOE has nothing to do with it.
after playing SWG since 2 months after launch and only taking breaks when it was a must. *loss of internet or loss of pc* my account is shut off. and if pub 28 is how things are going to be then F*** SWG. i love the game but the NGE blew donkey nuts and will continue to til they figure out how to fix a game that was broken at launch SOE will NEVER EVER get any good games long as they have the idiot devs running there games.
as far as this pub 28. i have missed the last prob 4 publishes i was a BH before i hit jedi. and this "lose 1 item at random" is BULL. what about us jedi who have our sabers and ONLY us can use them. and our elder robes. how are you going to remove stuff that only JEDI can use thats kind of a stupid idea. i wasnt into pvp before or after lvl 90 but now i want to stay away from it even more. soe sucks plain and simple someone needs to get SWG and use the game to its potential.
sorry for the rant. id do this on SWG fourms but i cant since im not a "member" and dont have the money to pay for it. arseholes.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I have no problem with risk involved in pvp but WTF does this have to do with Star Wars?
This has nothing to do with the GCW. Their main reason for choosing this time-frame of Star Wars is because it's the height of the GCW. Its bounty hunter vs jedi wars all over again. At least before it was only BH and Jedi bitching . Now everyone will bitch. Not to mention everyone will have a BH alt just to get revenge on people. Player bounties are a cool little addition to the game but shouldnt be the main focus of pvp.
Still not worth coming back imo.
Believe it or not, NGE was the pub that brought me BACK to SWG - I played from day 1 and quit it just before jump to lightspeed published as I could take no more of the original combat system and the constant grind. I can understand why the people who stayed hated NGE though - they obviously liked the way the game was. Kinda obvious.
But, I do not play SWG for PvP and if this player bounty thing goes live I'm just gonna quit again.
Dumb-ass stupid idea
With my idea of insurance, anything that is insured cannot be looted by your killer. So if you stay smart and insure all the time, you could avoid having stuff looted from you.
From what they've said, there will be stuff that cannot be looted. This would most likely be your Elder Robes, LS, Pearls, etc.
Whannnnn Whannnnn dat is the sound of 20 year old babies
I actually LIKE these new changes
believe it or not...
I am an x-SWG player, and if this continues I might return...Great to see Death Penalty is back
we need it! Also great idea about bounties /cheer.
The things they need to focus on now are ENTERTAINER and ARTISAN/TRADER prof. Make them fun and important in the game! And of course the WAR...there must be a clear visible conflict that will make the game exciting.
I cross my fingers for better times