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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by pingo
    Originally posted by Distopia

    I'm not upset in the slightest, no I'm not hung up on 100's of hours of gaming, again it was an example in context with the argument presented (what I could get for 50 dollars). You're obviously upset about something... were you trying to say brat?

    If you don't want to get called out, don't make stupid comparisons with some make-pretend context. 

    Did you see what i was replying to? You called me out? LMAO

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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,814
    Originally posted by observer
    Originally posted by StoneRoses
     

    All of those games with the exception of GW2 has a Subscription or an option for Subscribing with perks.

    Loyal fans would pay the $14.99 or lump sum for a better deal over time. 6 months would be more or almost equal to the amount of $59.99.

    Cash Shop for all those games are optional, you are not forced to buy anything.

    $59.99 for Base game for 3 years and $49.99 for an Expac is pretty fair deal for any loyal fan. Compared to $539.64 for 3 years at $14.99.

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    That's irrelevant.  I'm not comparing the base game + expansions, but if you really want to, then your argument still fails.

    WoW + 5 expansions is worth $70.  You get 11 classes, 12 races, countless dungeons, raids, zones, etc.  10 years worth of content.

    EQ + 21 expansions, plus 16 years worth of content.

    ...any other MMO + expansions, still has more content than GW2 + HoT combined.

    Including the monthly fee is also disingenuous because you're assuming people are going to pay monthly for 3 years straight, or even play GW2 for 3 years straight.

    Some people just can't fathom that others don't find the expansion worthy of $50+, so they label us as "entitled", which is funny.

    You just compared 10-16yrs of content released compare to 3 yrs.

    /facepalm

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

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  • eye_meye_m Member UncommonPosts: 3,317
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

     You forgot the penny pinching part.  You shouldn't only use part of a description, it's just throwing the whole conversation into the toilet to pick things apart like that. You should use the whole quote "penny pinching scumbags" because THAT is what is correct and fair to the conversation.

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  • AvarixAvarix Member RarePosts: 665
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

     You forgot the penny pinching part.  You shouldn't only use part of a description, it's just throwing the whole conversation into the toilet to pick things apart like that. You should use the whole quote "penny pinching scumbags" because THAT is what is correct and fair to the conversation.

    If the people in this thread, mainly defending the price and tactics, are any indication of the Guild Wars 2 community as a whole then the game has bigger issues. Scumbags? Wow...

  • MoiraeMoirae Member RarePosts: 3,318
    These games have always charged for expansions. As they should. They have bills to pay. I don't have a problem with paying for expansions, though I won't bother with this game, it isn't good enough to justify it. 
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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,803
    Originally posted by Avarix
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

     You forgot the penny pinching part.  You shouldn't only use part of a description, it's just throwing the whole conversation into the toilet to pick things apart like that. You should use the whole quote "penny pinching scumbags" because THAT is what is correct and fair to the conversation.

    If the people in this thread, mainly defending the price and tactics, are any indication of the Guild Wars 2 community as a whole then the game has bigger issues. Scumbags? Wow...

    I never felt so ashamed for being part of the Gw2 community before.

    All this name calling and vicious lashing out on anyone who disagrees with them.

     

    Not to mention their made up  interpretation of entitlement...

    Because of this I will carry the title of being "entitled" with pride.

     

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  • Saur0nSaur0n Member UncommonPosts: 114
    50$ for game expansion is insane.  It's a video game not Turbotax...
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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

     You forgot the penny pinching part.  You shouldn't only use part of a description, it's just throwing the whole conversation into the toilet to pick things apart like that. You should use the whole quote "penny pinching scumbags" because THAT is what is correct and fair to the conversation.

     What word  best describes people who get irrationally offended and start lashing out with insults over something as trivial and subjective as value? It's subjective there's no reason to get angry about it or resort to name-calling... it's mental-midgetry to do so.

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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,814
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by eyelolled
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

     You forgot the penny pinching part.  You shouldn't only use part of a description, it's just throwing the whole conversation into the toilet to pick things apart like that. You should use the whole quote "penny pinching scumbags" because THAT is what is correct and fair to the conversation.

     What word  best describes people who get irrationally offended and start lashing out with insults over something as trivial and subjective as value? It's subjective there's no reason to get angry about it or resort to name-calling... it's mental-midgetry to do so.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    I'm not defending the game. I'm defending a company who's willing enough to support providing a large amount of content to their customer base through a new expansion. 

    Arena Net is a business and in order for them to continue keeping a game like theirs afloat without subscriptions they must be able to gain income some way. Whether that be through cash shop or expansion in content. 

    The fact that people are insulted about a 49.99 expansion (which is quite often average) because they get and I repeat "screwed". That's insulting no matter how you look at it. If Arena net doesn't continue to make money for their game guess what. The game will close and you won't have a buy-to-play MMO like it to go to once it's gone.

    So as I stated earlier whether it be the harsher penny pinching scumbag comment or scrooges (take your pick). As it's utmost insulting to say that to a company who hasn't charged 14.99 a month for 3 years While supporting the game only a cash shop.

    Continue complaining that 49.99 is "too much" because at the end of the day if you don't support them and they shut their doors and then I get to sit back and laugh because customers were unwilling to give up less than a day's work for an addition of content.

    Lets not forget that the new expansion isn't a requirement to continue playing the game. There has been not mention that they will be increasing the level cap beyond 80 and they're not completely barring you from some of the content that comes with it.

    If how much you're charged monthly years before, value of content already available, etc counted toward value of an ex-pac you might have a point, they don't. You make this sound like a charity to keep games alive.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    O

    Irrationality?

    Like those who've forgotten that if they've purchased GW2 3 years ago for 49.99 which cost them literally 25 cents a day to play. Yes penny pinching scumbags is a perfect comparison.

    WHat does that have to do with an Ex-pac? That's where the irrational part comes in.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by eyelolled

     So after 3 years of substantial content updates from a B2P title with NO subscription, paying $50 is too much for a few new zones, a new class, a completely new mode of travel? Seriously?  Do you actually have any concept at all of what $50 is actually worth nowadays? Maybe you should fuel up a vehicle, or buy groceries once. It might open your eyes to how little $50 actually is. 

    It's pretty much the price of a whole new game. Right now I could buy The Witcher 3 for around that price, or a number of other games offering 100hrs or more of content. As for the last three years, if A-net needs to collect "back-pay" maybe they should have chosen another business model.

    It's not out of line with most other mmos.

    Take a peek at this page: https://www.everquest2.com/expansion-content. Alter of Malice was $50, for the base edition, when it was released. Rum Cellar (not a full xpac) is $15, but requires you to buy AoM. Since I haven't purchased AoM yet I still have to spend $50 to get the xpac.

    How about this page for Warlords of Draenor: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/world-of-warcraft-warlords-of-draenor. It's $50 for the base edition and $70 for the deluxe. Plus the $168 per year for the sub (that's considering the discounted price for buying 3 months at a time). That's $218 for a year.

    How about the Heavensward xpac which is $40 + $156 per year plus the $15 - $30 for the base game if you don't own it. That's $196 a year, at a minimum. Not to mention the fact that if you haven't completed certain requirements in the base game you can't even access the xpac content so you have to spend some amount of time (at least one months sub cost or more) to even play it.

    How many games can you buy off of Steam for $218 or $196? How is the price of the GW2 xpac any different than most other xpacs?

    $50 for the xpac isn't back pay. It's just the standard cost for a game. In perspective though, what I hear eyelolled saying, is that there hasn't been any other mandatory fees along those years like you have in WoW or FF14 or other games. Where do you even get "back pay" from? Are you seriously trying to say that unless a game nickles and dimes you along the way they shouldn't be charging standard price for the xpac?

    I said back pay because Eye factored it into his argument as if the last three years are relevant to the price of something going forward. As for those prices, again depends on what people got for that price, if what they received was worth 50 it's all fine and good, if not, well not so good. (RED) how in any way was I saying that? WTh? For the record I never said it wasn't worth the price, no one knows that yet, I'm just pointing out what I'd expect for the price. Based on what i could get for that price elsewhere.

    Eyelolled never said Back Pay either. That was your interpretation of what he said. ARe you implying it's hard to understand how one relates to the other?

    When you drew the comparison to the Witcher 3 and the price of HoT you implied the cost is a significant factor. It can easily be inferred by the way you worded it that this is unusual and uncommon and worth making a distinct point over. His point is that $50 is comparable to many common activities. My examples were games... IE what you get out of a game at that price point...

    He brought up the cost of playing over time which you dismissed the B2P model outright stating they shouldn't price their product this way. What other conclusion could I draw when comparing the game to its peers which nickles and dimes their users every month with an additional annual xpac fee, except that if pricing your product $50 once every 3 years isn't acceptable then nickle and diming them must be the only other acceptable way.

    My point was merely trying to present that A-net chose their model, they shouldn't need to recoup for the base game through an ex-pac. In other words their pricing, and model up to this point is irrelevant when it comes to value of an ex-pac.  That's like implying F2P should charge a crap ton for everything, simply because they offer free stuff.

    I can accept that you didn't try to imply that and that I inferred that point incorrectly if you can explain how you can dismiss pricing a product like that. Is it someone unacceptable to recoup 1 - 3 years of development cost in the box price of the product and to make up for box revenue not gained over that time? Because every paid MMO xpac to date does it that way. I mean isn't that what WoW and FF14 are doing, making people pay for the last couple years of development on the xpac and recouping their backpay? If not, then why are they also charging nearly $200 a year to play the game?

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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    From my experiences, I'd gladly pay 14.99 a month for the customer support when I need it vs Anet. There's other services you get other than the 'privlege' of logging in. As for the thread, Anet should at least at a character slot into the base price, I would find that fair for 50$.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Talk about penny pinching scumbags in this forum... like a broken record, you buy a game for 49.99 and no subscription fees for 3 years and complain that you have to pay 49.99 for an expansion. *facepalm*

    I personally just got back into the game and got 3 more characters to 80 in 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to new content regardless of whether or not I have to pay for it.

    I don't think anyone minds paying 49.99 for an ex-pac, if that ex-pac is worth that price. What's really funny is how many insults are being thrown around because people aren't sure it is worth that. Scumbags?

    That can be said about any xpac though can't it? WoD came out and people asked if it was good or sucked, but they never questioned paying $50 or $70 for it. FF14 Heavensward is coming out and people talk about barriers to entry or grind, but no one questions whether the $40 is worth it on top of the $156 a year it costs to play the game.

    Were those xpacs worth it? If you bought WoD for $50 and 3 months of subscription time to play it would cost you $92. If you got "done" playing after that 3 months and stopped subbing then you've basically flushed a hundred bucks down the toilet that you won't get to see again unless you pony up more cash.

    If you want to play HoT it will cost you $50 no matter what you've paid before or want to pay again. At the end of the month, 3 months, or year, if you're done playing you can put it down and come back any time without having to fork over more money. The relative value of the xpac seems pretty competitive to me.

    So why is the doubt about the value being cast on this expansion? I didn't see you or anyone else out there doubting the value of WoD or FF14 H. They are certainly not any better.

    I don't play WOW or FF14 (why would I offer an opinion that being the case?), I do play GW2.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    O

    Irrationality?

    Like those who've forgotten that if they've purchased GW2 3 years ago for 49.99 which cost them literally 25 cents a day to play. Yes penny pinching scumbags is a perfect comparison.

    WHat does that have to do with an Ex-pac? That's where the irrational part comes in.

    The irrationality if you even know what it means is the fact that people have turned a blind eye to the amount of content they've been given for only 49.99 without any additional costs.

    Now people think it's absurd that after 3 years of playing a game with free content additions every few months without spending a penny more are now outraged that Arena Net is charging a 49.99 premium for a major expansion.

    That's irrational and it shows their customers here have no loyalty to the company who has willingly provided that type of experience with no additional charge.

    This is irrational, you can't see it...

    I paid the price they set for the original game, it was worth it, it still has nothing to do with what the ex-pac is worth.

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  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318

    I was thinking about buying it for what they are finally starting to do with traits, but I won't be.

     

    its not about the price, it's about the size of the xpac.  It is simply not worth 50 for what you get.  Simple as that for me.  To me it will be stagnant as the LS in one month without the size.

     

    im glad there are people that are happy and excited, but for me it will be stale within four weeks.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by eyelolled

     So after 3 years of substantial content updates from a B2P title with NO subscription, paying $50 is too much for a few new zones, a new class, a completely new mode of travel? Seriously?  Do you actually have any concept at all of what $50 is actually worth nowadays? Maybe you should fuel up a vehicle, or buy groceries once. It might open your eyes to how little $50 actually is. 

    It's pretty much the price of a whole new game. Right now I could buy The Witcher 3 for around that price, or a number of other games offering 100hrs or more of content. As for the last three years, if A-net needs to collect "back-pay" maybe they should have chosen another business model.

    It's not out of line with most other mmos.

    Take a peek at this page: https://www.everquest2.com/expansion-content. Alter of Malice was $50, for the base edition, when it was released. Rum Cellar (not a full xpac) is $15, but requires you to buy AoM. Since I haven't purchased AoM yet I still have to spend $50 to get the xpac.

    How about this page for Warlords of Draenor: https://us.battle.net/shop/en/product/world-of-warcraft-warlords-of-draenor. It's $50 for the base edition and $70 for the deluxe. Plus the $168 per year for the sub (that's considering the discounted price for buying 3 months at a time). That's $218 for a year.

    How about the Heavensward xpac which is $40 + $156 per year plus the $15 - $30 for the base game if you don't own it. That's $196 a year, at a minimum. Not to mention the fact that if you haven't completed certain requirements in the base game you can't even access the xpac content so you have to spend some amount of time (at least one months sub cost or more) to even play it.

    How many games can you buy off of Steam for $218 or $196? How is the price of the GW2 xpac any different than most other xpacs?

    $50 for the xpac isn't back pay. It's just the standard cost for a game. In perspective though, what I hear eyelolled saying, is that there hasn't been any other mandatory fees along those years like you have in WoW or FF14 or other games. Where do you even get "back pay" from? Are you seriously trying to say that unless a game nickles and dimes you along the way they shouldn't be charging standard price for the xpac?

    I said back pay because Eye factored it into his argument as if the last three years are relevant to the price of something going forward. As for those prices, again depends on what people got for that price, if what they received was worth 50 it's all fine and good, if not, well not so good. (RED) how in any way was I saying that? WTh? For the record I never said it wasn't worth the price, no one knows that yet, I'm just pointing out what I'd expect for the price. Based on what i could get for that price elsewhere.

    Eyelolled never said Back Pay either. That was your interpretation of what he said. ARe you implying it's hard to understand how one relates to the other?

    When you drew the comparison to the Witcher 3 and the price of HoT you implied the cost is a significant factor. It can easily be inferred by the way you worded it that this is unusual and uncommon and worth making a distinct point over. His point is that $50 is comparable to many common activities. My examples were games... IE what you get out of a game at that price point...

    He brought up the cost of playing over time which you dismissed the B2P model outright stating they shouldn't price their product this way. What other conclusion could I draw when comparing the game to its peers which nickles and dimes their users every month with an additional annual xpac fee, except that if pricing your product $50 once every 3 years isn't acceptable then nickle and diming them must be the only other acceptable way.

    My point was merely trying to present that A-net chose their model, they shouldn't need to recoup for the base game through an ex-pac. In other words their pricing, and model up to this point is irrelevant when it comes to value of an ex-pac.  That's like implying F2P should charge a crap ton for everything, simply because they offer free stuff.

    I can accept that you didn't try to imply that and that I inferred that point incorrectly if you can explain how you can dismiss pricing a product like that. Is it someone unacceptable to recoup 1 - 3 years of development cost in the box price of the product and to make up for box revenue not gained over that time? Because every paid MMO xpac to date does it that way. I mean isn't that what WoW and FF14 are doing, making people pay for the last couple years of development on the xpac and recouping their backpay? If not, then why are they also charging nearly $200 a year to play the game?

    Not to worried about what you'll accept to be honest.

    That's rather rudely dismissive. I thought at least we were having a civil discussion. It's too bad you chose to depart from that  especially after you made a point to point the finger at others who couldn't be civil. I like you and don't want to argue if that is how the discussion will progress.

    I don't agree with your last point in red by the way.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    It's unbelievable how people feel entitled to free content because a company chose to provide a B2P model for their product. 

    Who said anything about free content? Now we're just making people up to argue with?

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