You are 31, you should be able to type fluidly at a speed as fast as you can think. So if typing is a pain for you, it is just a lack of skill - and what do we do with a skill of low value?- Exactly, train!
Ok, or maybe you meant that not typing is the pain but reading those crap which others have typed. I have never seen so many typed crap in another language than english. I am just wondering if this is a question of language or nation.
You are 31, you should be able to type fluidly at a speed as fast as you can think. So if typing is a pain for you, it is just a lack of skill - and what do we do with a skill of low value?- Exactly, train!
Ok, or maybe you meant that not typing is the pain but reading those crap which others have typed. I have never seen so many typed crap in another language than english. I am just wondering if this is a question of language or nation.
When I type what I'm saying I go at about 45 WPM, when I'm copying from a document it drops to about 25 WPM. My problem isn't typing, it's switching between controlling the game and typing. I just don't want to release the controls in order to say something. This is the main reason I didn't talk a whole lot in Counter-Strike or Age of Empires. You have to be watching and controlling the game at all times. If you type, you're rendered helpless for the duration of your message. Not cool.
I totally get the language barrier for some people though. I hate speaking Spanish or Japanese because I know I sound retarded to native speakers of those languages. It's not so bad when they understand English. When that's the case, I can speak English and they can speak Spanish or Japanese and we all understand one another and are comfortable.
Thats another reason for me not to implement FPS combat. I am a socializer and love to talk. I would hate to not be able to talk to people and get responses just because them or me being afraid.
I cant do what you are doing, unfortunately. Hearing one language and talk in another. I would have problems to understand my own mother language when my brain has switched to english and I am talking or writing in it. I need a few seconds to switch back. Unfortunately I am very bad in translating from one language into another, I need to understand directly without translation.
That is something what drives me crazy with EQ2 in the german version. They have mixed translated and non-translated text and my brain needs to switch back and forth just to grasp what is written there, just because I am such a bad translator.
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe When I type what I'm saying I go at about 45 WPM, when I'm copying from a document it drops to about 25 WPM. My problem isn't typing, it's switching between controlling the game and typing. I just don't want to release the controls in order to say something. This is the main reason I didn't talk a whole lot in Counter-Strike or Age of Empires. You have to be watching and controlling the game at all times. If you type, you're rendered helpless for the duration of your message. Not cool.
That varies from one game to another. I hate games that disable the controls while the chat input field is being used. It would be nice if they'd make sure the UI is such that you can type with one hand, and keep playing, even if to limitted capacity, with the other hand on the mouse. And with intermittent use of keyboard controls; so, for example, you could type half a sentence, finish a fight or whatever, then type the rest of the sentence.
Also, most of what needs to be typed in the heat of the moment can either be typed in under a second, or macroed, so it's not such a big window of vulnerability. I've found that a good macro system can be plenty fast enough. For lengthier conversation, its usually easy enough to type in moments of safety.
I dread the day that games use voice chat as a standard, and most groups and guilds will frown on those who won't use it. But I'm afraid that day may be coming.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Originally posted by Signe Originally posted by Darkchronic Originally posted by Bissrok Mics are about $8 at Wal*Mart. It's just easier if you're in a guild and talking a lot. Otherwise, I'd rather just type.
Good thing Walmart doesn't exist in this country.
Also, I'm 12, and my voice has just broken. So I sound like a retard. Which is also an issue.
Bollocks. Walmart exists everywhere... even though I've yet to ever shop at one. In the UK Walmart is ASDA. Here is the address of the one nearest you:
Beehive Centre,Coldhams Lane Cambridge CB1 3ER
You can get a cheap headset for about a tenner anywhere. Go get one so we can hear your squeaky man-voice!
You must have a loooooot of time on your hands Signe. So, ASDA is WalMart. Suffice to say I'll never be shopping there again.
Also, there's the fact that I have no use for TeamSpeak, Ventrillo or anything else at the moment. I'm not in any PvP/raiding guilds or anything. That may change with the release of Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa and Fallen Earth though. THEN I may have a use for voice technology. But not right now.
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Originally posted by Bissrok Mics are about $8 at Wal*Mart. It's just easier if you're in a guild and talking a lot. Otherwise, I'd rather just type.
Good thing Walmart doesn't exist in this country.
Also, I'm 12, and my voice has just broken. So I sound like a retard. Which is also an issue.
Bollocks. Walmart exists everywhere... even though I've yet to ever shop at one. In the UK Walmart is ASDA. Here is the address of the one nearest you:
Beehive Centre,Coldhams Lane Cambridge CB1 3ER
You can get a cheap headset for about a tenner anywhere. Go get one so we can hear your squeaky man-voice!
There are no microphones in that shop.
Try Staples on Mitchums corner, or PcWorld on Newmarket road. Also Maplin in the centre or Cambridge Computers on chesterton high street.
You can probably get one at Game in Lion Yard too, but it will be more expensive.
Personally I more or less only use voice comms for talking to friends. Clan channels or random internet people are fun, but it's too demanding. I don't want to have a laugh with strangers every second I am online or in game.
Occaisonally I like to and it's always nice to meet new people. However I'm not looking to marry them, and the constant pressurizing to join teamspeak each time I log on, drives me away.
In the end I start feeling guilty about not using teamspeak. Thats really not the experience I am looking/paying for.
I tend to run my own server just for my friends and stay off clan channels.
Originally posted by n2sooners Funny thing how technology works. In the old days of pen and paper RPGs, voice chat was the most commonly used in role playing. As a matter of fact, it would have been rather absurd to see someone comunicating with writen or typed notes to each other. Now that we have much more advanced technology, people use role playing as an excuse to type rather than speak to other players. And I don't know about anyone else, but the role playing doesn't seem to be helped that much by typing to me. That said, I would just LOVE to see a game voice chat maker come up with one in which filters could be used to make a big burly guy sound like a female elf, or a small girl sound like a troll. Voice chat with filters would be a great way to promote RPing in todays RP free RPGs.
My dodgey gender bending mates refuse to use teamspeak because they don't want people to know they aren't in fact female. I point out to them, that I akready know they are not female, but they just don't get it.
The thought of a voice filter to make them sound like a girl was getting one of them very excited.
It's pretty grim stuff.
I'm just playing a computer game with my friends. It's not a role. I'm not really a troll. I like to play in charcter as much as the next person, but it's still a game. I don't feel the need to be 100% in character the whole time, unable to be myself.
Not every communication I will have with people will be gameworld acting. All sounds very socially inadequate to me. Never trust a Roleplayer.
If I have to get on a mic to play the game well, then I won't play the game.
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I am very proud to say that I have never been in a Walmart or an ASDA. I not so proud to say that I have a lot of time on my hands and live in a place where I don't know a soul. We move around so much that sometimes I think we must be part gypsy. Such is the life of the wife of a contracting consultant. I am particularly not proud of stalking poor Darkchronic just to pick on him, but it is what it is. He is very amusing what with his Irth fanboism and goofy demeanor.
Originally posted by Signe I am very proud to say that I have never been in a Walmart or an ASDA. I not so proud to say that I have a lot of time on my hands and live in a place where I don't know a soul. We move around so much that sometimes I think we must be part gypsy. Such is the life of the wife of a contracting consultant. I am particularly not proud of stalking poor Darkchronic just to pick on him, but it is what it is. He is very amusing what with his Irth fanboism and goofy demeanor.And whatnot.
Dudette, if you think my goofy demeanour is cool, you should see my hair.. And my Irth fanboiism is so amazingly clich
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Back in the olden days, when the only real female online was Veronica, a boy I knew from a mud parked his car next to my house for 3 days. I have absolutely no idea how he found out where I lived... everyone was a bit of a hacker back then, though. You had to be pretty savvy technically even to get online if you weren't at uni or in the military. He finally left when my father (who had been away) stood on the front porch with a shotgun. Since then, I've had my share of online silliness directed towards me but nothing like the crap back then, and nothing that scared me. I shut people down pretty quick if they even start any sort of funny business. It's not why I play MMOs and I didn't then and don't now enjoy any of that sort of attention from strangers. I try to be relatively careful online... hubby is a security consultant so it goes with the territory, I guess.
I found TS to be useful in Shadowbane during large scale PvP, but not necessary. Most people didn't use it back then, anyway. Since then, however, I've only used it now and then for social purposes. I've been in the same guild with many of the same people for years and years, and we all know each other pretty well. We used it a wee bit for CoH but mostly the conversations end up funny or silly or anything but useful. That's the way I like it, too.
Originally posted by Ragosch The main reason for me not to use Teamspeak or such is ... language. (2) Especially americans speak in a way that is horrible, often without any culture and full of "damned", "shit" and "fuck" and those words. This kills immersion also and makes me feel sad and disgusted, as I am European and here people dont use fecal language all the time. Ragosch
Really then your not french or spanish, as some of the worst use of swearing I've come across is from these two cultures when speaking in english, while they may not use the English words, they do use there own languages equivelent more so than most of my American friends. This may only be due to the fact there speaking English but I doubt it.
I would say that Aussies and Brits swear more than most americans, but then again this is purely based on my experience of living in all 3 countries for at least 3 years each.
If your worried about the language on voice chat then don't belong to a kiddies guild, in general the more mature a guild/clan the more mature the chatting will be.
As to rping if you rp with the right people speaking is a far better medium for rping than typing, it does require the right group of people, but there are guilds out there that do this.
I'm sorry but I don't have the skills to type and play at the same time I just don't have that level of coordination, but I can hit capslock to turn on my TS and chat while playing pretty easily.
Slang can also be typed as well, which won't make it any easier to understand than it will if spoken.
I have to say that Germany is one of the most polite countries, especially as far as language is concerned. You're right about Brits, however. Scots in particular. My husband is a Scot and some of his choice phrases could probably land him in jail in the US, even with all that free speech they sort of have.
Originally posted by Signe I have to say that Germany is one of the most polite countries, especially as far as language is concerned. You're right about Brits, however. Scots in particular. My husband is a Scot and some of his choice phrases could probably land him in jail in the US, even with all that free speech they sort of have.
So true about the scots a few of my mates from glasgow are terrible. Yup the couple of people I know from germany are very polite, also the people from Scandinavia that I know are very polite as well.
I am German, maybe it is because of this then. I lived for a while in the UK and long time ago in the USA too. At that time the language was not that bad as today and I remember most of the UK people as gentlemen/lady-like people. Times may have changed though or maybe I just lived in an area with a higher income and more culture. Anyway, I would not want to use voice chat in a game much.
For FPS games, voice chat is pretty much essential because you tend to die if you release the controls for more than a second or two.
I don't think it's that great a tool for MMORPGs at the moment though. Voice communication is only really effective when a small number of people are speaking, especially when you can't see the people speaking. Teamspeak is only useful in guild raids because most people aren't actually speaking apart from the raid and sub-group leaders. You may have 20 plus people on the same chat channel but it's more like a lecture than a genuine chat.
Part of the problem is that games don't currently decent true 3D audio for voice chat. Right now, voice chat makes a person on the other side of the game world sound just as loud as a person right next to you. Once the tech comes along that automatically controls voice audibility based on relative position, voice chat will be a genuinely useful tool for MMORPGs. You could stand in a busy area, outside the bank for example, and still have a conversation with the person next to you, just like in real life.
Voice chat can be very devisive though. I've heard quite a few stories about otherwise good guilds having problems because of some people using voice chat outside of raids/PvP. Little cliques end up forming and the people on voice chat become a seperate unit within the larger guild. Guild matters can end up being entirely discussed and resolved over voice chat, leaving most members out of the process.
For a very long time i did not use voice chat because i did not want to pay an extra $30 just for, what i thought, was an add-on. However, when i started playing WOW, i would ask questions in guild chat and get no response. When i became angry and told them so, they replied that everybody was in vent. I then decided to download vent and go out and buy a headset. Now, the communication barrier has almost totally been diminished. I, along with the people i quest or PVP with, are much more efficient in everything we do. In huge raids when it is very easy to get lost, i know exactly where my guildies are and can come to their aid in seconds. I highly suggest using voice communications to everybody who is a gamer.
Originally posted by moonfog I am hoping for an MMORPG with the feature that Battlefield 2 has. WITH a voice prog implemented. Now is this an idea for them developers scanning the forums? I wonder who will pick this one off my idea table? Man that would be so interesting to group up with ppl and talk to others all over the world! Naturally muting/ignore ppl would be a feature as well.
darkfall is creating a in-game voice chat i think. I may be wrong though.
ok i like "guild" talkings like if im in a guild or have a guild of my own then yes its good to talk to ur mates etc while playing a game by mic but one thing i hate ALOT is in guild wars how in tombs when random teams come up and say "u must have vent" i dont like talking to let alone listening to people i dont know.. the accents alone kill me! lol
i dont care if i know them in game but wat i meet some guy and boom lets talk on vent? naa man id rather type im a fast typer and id like to put my skills to use
Funny thing how technology works. In the old days of pen and paper RPGs, voice chat was the most commonly used in role playing. As a matter of fact, it would have been rather absurd to see someone comunicating with writen or typed notes to each other. Now that we have much more advanced technology, people use role playing as an excuse to type rather than speak to other players.
With pen&paper games, we could be a lot pickier about who we play with. I think maybe that's a major factor - some of us are very discriminating about those we play with. The less I have to hear of the ones I don't like, the better. I'll group with them, put up with thier inane typed comments, but I really don't want thier bs intruding as much as it would if I had to actually hear thier voice. People I'd never sit and play AD&D with. The full experience of how obnoxious people can be - it would kill the genre for me.
Right now, in MMORPGs, I feel somewhat protected from that by the type-chat system. It's much easier to put up with in every way. I think it actually helps bridge the gap between different personality types. I like the safe distance. The more you bring people together, the more clashing there's going to be.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
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You are 31, you should be able to type fluidly at a speed as fast as you can think. So if typing is a pain for you, it is just a lack of skill - and what do we do with a skill of low value?- Exactly, train!
Ok, or maybe you meant that not typing is the pain but reading those crap which others have typed. I have never seen so many typed crap in another language than english. I am just wondering if this is a question of language or nation.
Ragosch
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You are 31, you should be able to type fluidly at a speed as fast as you can think. So if typing is a pain for you, it is just a lack of skill - and what do we do with a skill of low value?- Exactly, train!
Ok, or maybe you meant that not typing is the pain but reading those crap which others have typed. I have never seen so many typed crap in another language than english. I am just wondering if this is a question of language or nation.
When I type what I'm saying I go at about 45 WPM, when I'm copying from a document it drops to about 25 WPM. My problem isn't typing, it's switching between controlling the game and typing. I just don't want to release the controls in order to say something. This is the main reason I didn't talk a whole lot in Counter-Strike or Age of Empires. You have to be watching and controlling the game at all times. If you type, you're rendered helpless for the duration of your message. Not cool.
I totally get the language barrier for some people though. I hate speaking Spanish or Japanese because I know I sound retarded to native speakers of those languages. It's not so bad when they understand English. When that's the case, I can speak English and they can speak Spanish or Japanese and we all understand one another and are comfortable.
Thats another reason for me not to implement FPS combat. I am a socializer and love to talk. I would hate to not be able to talk to people and get responses just because them or me being afraid.
I cant do what you are doing, unfortunately. Hearing one language and talk in another. I would have problems to understand my own mother language when my brain has switched to english and I am talking or writing in it. I need a few seconds to switch back. Unfortunately I am very bad in translating from one language into another, I need to understand directly without translation.
That is something what drives me crazy with EQ2 in the german version. They have mixed translated and non-translated text and my brain needs to switch back and forth just to grasp what is written there, just because I am such a bad translator.
Ragosch
That varies from one game to another. I hate games that disable the controls while the chat input field is being used. It would be nice if they'd make sure the UI is such that you can type with one hand, and keep playing, even if to limitted capacity, with the other hand on the mouse. And with intermittent use of keyboard controls; so, for example, you could type half a sentence, finish a fight or whatever, then type the rest of the sentence.
Also, most of what needs to be typed in the heat of the moment can either be typed in under a second, or macroed, so it's not such a big window of vulnerability. I've found that a good macro system can be plenty fast enough. For lengthier conversation, its usually easy enough to type in moments of safety.
I dread the day that games use voice chat as a standard, and most groups and guilds will frown on those who won't use it. But I'm afraid that day may be coming.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Good thing Walmart doesn't exist in this country.
Also, I'm 12, and my voice has just broken. So I sound like a retard. Which is also an issue.
Bollocks. Walmart exists everywhere... even though I've yet to ever shop at one. In the UK Walmart is ASDA. Here is the address of the one nearest you:
Beehive Centre,Coldhams Lane
Cambridge
CB1 3ER
You can get a cheap headset for about a tenner anywhere. Go get one so we can hear your squeaky man-voice!
You must have a loooooot of time on your hands Signe.
So, ASDA is WalMart. Suffice to say I'll never be shopping there again.
Also, there's the fact that I have no use for TeamSpeak, Ventrillo or anything else at the moment. I'm not in any PvP/raiding guilds or anything. That may change with the release of Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa and Fallen Earth though. THEN I may have a use for voice technology. But not right now.
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Good thing Walmart doesn't exist in this country.
Also, I'm 12, and my voice has just broken. So I sound like a retard. Which is also an issue.
Bollocks. Walmart exists everywhere... even though I've yet to ever shop at one. In the UK Walmart is ASDA. Here is the address of the one nearest you:
Beehive Centre,Coldhams Lane
Cambridge
CB1 3ER
You can get a cheap headset for about a tenner anywhere. Go get one so we can hear your squeaky man-voice!
My dodgey gender bending mates refuse to use teamspeak because they don't want people to know they aren't in fact female. I point out to them, that I akready know they are not female, but they just don't get it.
The thought of a voice filter to make them sound like a girl was getting one of them very excited.
It's pretty grim stuff.
I'm just playing a computer game with my friends. It's not a role. I'm not really a troll. I like to play in charcter as much as the next person, but it's still a game. I don't feel the need to be 100% in character the whole time, unable to be myself.
Not every communication I will have with people will be gameworld acting. All sounds very socially inadequate to me. Never trust a Roleplayer.
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"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I am very proud to say that I have never been in a Walmart or an ASDA. I not so proud to say that I have a lot of time on my hands and live in a place where I don't know a soul. We move around so much that sometimes I think we must be part gypsy. Such is the life of the wife of a contracting consultant. I am particularly not proud of stalking poor Darkchronic just to pick on him, but it is what it is. He is very amusing what with his Irth fanboism and goofy demeanor.
And whatnot.
Dudette, if you think my goofy demeanour is cool, you should see my hair.. And my Irth fanboiism is so amazingly clich
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Back in the olden days, when the only real female online was Veronica, a boy I knew from a mud parked his car next to my house for 3 days. I have absolutely no idea how he found out where I lived... everyone was a bit of a hacker back then, though. You had to be pretty savvy technically even to get online if you weren't at uni or in the military. He finally left when my father (who had been away) stood on the front porch with a shotgun.
Since then, I've had my share of online silliness directed towards me but nothing like the crap back then, and nothing that scared me. I shut people down pretty quick if they even start any sort of funny business. It's not why I play MMOs and I didn't then and don't now enjoy any of that sort of attention from strangers. I try to be relatively careful online... hubby is a security consultant so it goes with the territory, I guess.
I found TS to be useful in Shadowbane during large scale PvP, but not necessary. Most people didn't use it back then, anyway. Since then, however, I've only used it now and then for social purposes. I've been in the same guild with many of the same people for years and years, and we all know each other pretty well. We used it a wee bit for CoH but mostly the conversations end up funny or silly or anything but useful. That's the way I like it, too.
Really then your not french or spanish, as some of the worst use of swearing I've come across is from these two cultures when speaking in english, while they may not use the English words, they do use there own languages equivelent more so than most of my American friends. This may only be due to the fact there speaking English but I doubt it.
I would say that Aussies and Brits swear more than most americans, but then again this is purely based on my experience of living in all 3 countries for at least 3 years each.
If your worried about the language on voice chat then don't belong to a kiddies guild, in general the more mature a guild/clan the more mature the chatting will be.
As to rping if you rp with the right people speaking is a far better medium for rping than typing, it does require the right group of people, but there are guilds out there that do this.
I'm sorry but I don't have the skills to type and play at the same time I just don't have that level of coordination, but I can hit capslock to turn on my TS and chat while playing pretty easily.
Slang can also be typed as well, which won't make it any easier to understand than it will if spoken.
I have to say that Germany is one of the most polite countries, especially as far as language is concerned. You're right about Brits, however. Scots in particular. My husband is a Scot and some of his choice phrases could probably land him in jail in the US, even with all that free speech they sort of have.
I am German, maybe it is because of this then. I lived for a while in the UK and long time ago in the USA too. At that time the language was not that bad as today and I remember most of the UK people as gentlemen/lady-like people. Times may have changed though or maybe I just lived in an area with a higher income and more culture. Anyway, I would not want to use voice chat in a game much.
Ragosch
For FPS games, voice chat is pretty much essential because you tend to die if you release the controls for more than a second or two.
I don't think it's that great a tool for MMORPGs at the moment though. Voice communication is only really effective when a small number of people are speaking, especially when you can't see the people speaking. Teamspeak is only useful in guild raids because most people aren't actually speaking apart from the raid and sub-group leaders. You may have 20 plus people on the same chat channel but it's more like a lecture than a genuine chat.
Part of the problem is that games don't currently decent true 3D audio for voice chat. Right now, voice chat makes a person on the other side of the game world sound just as loud as a person right next to you. Once the tech comes along that automatically controls voice audibility based on relative position, voice chat will be a genuinely useful tool for MMORPGs. You could stand in a busy area, outside the bank for example, and still have a conversation with the person next to you, just like in real life.
Voice chat can be very devisive though. I've heard quite a few stories about otherwise good guilds having problems because of some people using voice chat outside of raids/PvP. Little cliques end up forming and the people on voice chat become a seperate unit within the larger guild. Guild matters can end up being entirely discussed and resolved over voice chat, leaving most members out of the process.
ok i like "guild" talkings like if im in a guild or have a guild of my own then yes its good to talk to ur mates etc while playing a game by mic but one thing i hate ALOT is in guild wars how in tombs when random teams come up and say "u must have vent" i dont like talking to let alone listening to people i dont know.. the accents alone kill me! lol
i dont care if i know them in game but wat i meet some guy and boom lets talk on vent? naa man id rather type im a fast typer and id like to put my skills to use
With pen&paper games, we could be a lot pickier about who we play with. I think maybe that's a major factor - some of us are very discriminating about those we play with. The less I have to hear of the ones I don't like, the better. I'll group with them, put up with thier inane typed comments, but I really don't want thier bs intruding as much as it would if I had to actually hear thier voice. People I'd never sit and play AD&D with. The full experience of how obnoxious people can be - it would kill the genre for me.
Right now, in MMORPGs, I feel somewhat protected from that by the type-chat system. It's much easier to put up with in every way. I think it actually helps bridge the gap between different personality types. I like the safe distance. The more you bring people together, the more clashing there's going to be.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.