I just don't understand why people care so much about WoW still. Old game, Old news, old period. There is so much better out there, if people would just wake up and smell the coffee and get away from that addicting disaster.
Originally posted by Thwaite I just don't understand why people care so much about WoW still. Old game, Old news, old period. There is so much better out there, if people would just wake up and smell the coffee and get away from that addicting disaster.
Originally posted by Thwaite I just don't understand why people care so much about WoW still. Old game, Old news, old period. There is so much better out there, if people would just wake up and smell the coffee and get away from that addicting disaster.
Well, I don't play WoW anymore. Haven't had an active sub since Cata. When I do play, it's only on Vanilla servers. I don't follow WoW updates religiously, but I still nerd out and watch every expansion announcement live. I don't know that I'll ever resub, unless they shift away from making WoW like a facebook game (Garrison are garbage). But really my dream scenario is them releasing an official Vanilla server.
Originally posted by Thwaite I just don't understand why people care so much about WoW still. Old game, Old news, old period. There is so much better out there, if people would just wake up and smell the coffee and get away from that addicting disaster.
WoW, even with all of it's massive population drops, is still the most populated western mmo out there. That still counts for a lot when you're discussing news and whatnot. WoW also has a following that is specific to the WarCraft brands and Blizzard name alone, and that community as a whole is pretty large as well.
Yes, there are things that other games do some things better, but no one has out "WoW'd" WoW. The raiding community is still extremely active and there is a significant amount of players interesting in things like world first boss kills, etc. WoW is still a complete package when you're looking at overall value from over the years.
However, like you said, WoW is old. It's starting to really show signs of age via the massive population drops coming quicker between patches. Blizzard also still hasn't figured out how to keep the casual PvE community within the world itself. There's a few world bosses to be killed, but there is nothing like Silverwastes from GW2 or the Vet+ system from ESO to keep folks going in the open world. It's even worse now as people are all holed up in their own garrisons all of the time and only step out to raid or instanced pvp...which really isn't stepping out at all.
I played WoW from Jan '05 to August '12. Went back for a few months for MoP and left. Went back for WoD and lasted even less time, and I don't think I could go back again. Not without basically a complete overhaul of how the game operates for non-raiding pve folks.
Otherwise, I am happy messing around in GW2 and playing stuff like Rocket League on the side.
Although blizz has said they intend on doing yearly xpacs, I'll have to believe it to see it. They've never been a quick release company and so I have little reason to believe them this time. If they do deliver this winter, then we'll talk.
Originally posted by Thwaite I just don't understand why people care so much about WoW still. Old game, Old news, old period. There is so much better out there, if people would just wake up and smell the coffee and get away from that addicting disaster.
Because it is a 10 year old game that still has the most subscribers in the genre. It is still the biggest beast in the MMO zoo.
Originally posted by BillMurphy When Heart of Thorns releases? :P
....is most likely when they'll bust open an announcement for their next Expansion. Blizzard plays it hard and dirty with their PR campaigns, always trying to push their products and news to the front while pushing the competition out.
Value/cost wise, it would seem that Heart of Thrones is a far better option before it even releases. WoD released mid-November 2014 for a $50 cost. Nearly 7 months later and there have been a total of 2 content patches; TWO! 7x$15= $105 subscription cost (event at the 6month rate, it is $91). So far it has cost players $141-155 for WoW for the past 7 months of the expansion and its two content patches. HoT for GW2 is going to cost $50 with $0 subscription cost at all. The first 7 months of that expansion will still only be $50 cost.
I would say without any question what so ever that Blizzard is working on getting it out as fast as possible even sooner than that.It is no secret,Blizzard gets things out around Christmas time,people are notoriously stupid spending money at that time of year so ya expect late November early December.
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Blizzard had already had most of the next expansion fleshed out and spent the time since Nov writing it. This would explain why they're only giving 1 content patch. Then Blizzard drops a bombshell at Blizzcon that the next expansion is coming out in December or sometime sooner than expected
This would make it so that everyone would be hyped to buy the next expansion. I've always felt that ALL game companies hype up their games/expansions way too early, some even years before release. By the time release comes around you're like "This hasn't been released yet?"
If you announce a release date like a month or two in advance, then you will have a lot more people doing an impulsive buy.
Dont they only bring out expansions when there is another hyped up game about to be released?
So when is the next hyped game coming out? thats when you get your next wow expansion.
Yep, they're great at taking the hype from other games.
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Three possible reasons for no more content updates.
1. Next expansion announced in a few weeks and a release this Christmas 2015. Boom! Surprise!
2. Wow is being ported to a new engine. Eve online did it a few years back, WOW has a great engine but it's 15 years old. If they want to innovate and improve the graphics fidelity, and compete with today's MMO's like GW2 with dynamic events, destructible worlds (Crowfall, EQNext), advanced A.I., they need a new engine, the old one can only do so much.
3.It's going completely F2P, probably around the time the movie hits theaters. Boom! Surprise! Or even as early as Christmas 2015.
This is just tragic, its like they are going out of their way to hurt their own game. It never sat well with me with the WOD xpac considering how long it was from the expansion release from the last patch for MOP.
I suppose what makes it so sad is that they dwarf every other MMO with their subs (even with them declining) yet they cannot match the level of pace, diversity and content of Final Fantasy 14 which has had to pretty much claw its way out of the abyss.
With WoW it just isn't worth the sub, the development to the game just doesn't make it a viable purhcase anymore, no value for money. I had played since Vanilla, I did everything, all reps, raids etc etc, I mean I've done it all up to WOD where I just completed the base game. If my sub is not contributing to the development, then why would I pay it? I am not going to pay a sub, to finance an expansion, for them to sell right back to me. Its like paying someone money to build you a car, then they sell you the car... I've already bought the car dammit!!!
I think they will announce the next xpac at gamescon, probably just the title. Then at Blizzcon a reveal a bit more, patches and updates towards the new xpac occasionally released through the year and xpac released around November 2016. They said last update for WoD, doesn't mean their won't be updates leading into their next xpac,
WoW, even with all of it's massive population drops, is still the most populated western mmo out there. <snip>
Is it?
Just wondering because you included the word western (assume you mean played in the west) and left out the word "sub". And there are a lot of big non-sub based games out there that are quote massive multiplayer and online. Whether that makes them mmos or not is another matter but then again the same charge is levied by many against WoW these days.
This is the second exp Blizzard mess all up the same way (with the downside of WOD been the worst expansion to date by all parameters). There`s no excuse for them to make the same dumb shit two times, it`s almost like the have no planning at all! The only way for them to make up for the all this mess is one asskikcing exp by the end of the year, anything but that will be more of the same slow frustrating shit.
Garrisons were an opportunity to do something awesome, instead they've been turned into a couple of grindy Facebook games.
The loot system is just awful. You can do every single raid for the week, use up all your sigils, and not get one single piece of usable gear. Just a pitiful amount of gold.
The legendary ring quests are a fucking joke. Grind, grind, grind. 900 pieces @ 20-40 per week... there are old F2P Korean games with less grind.
The raids and dungeons are a joke. They're short, easy (even by LFR / LFG standards), and look like almost no effort was put into them. Not one time in any WoD dungeon or raid did I say, "Oh wow, that looks awesome!", or, "Oh man, that boss looks badass!" It's all cookie-cutter enemies with blue hats instead of red, and recycled tilesets. Ho hum.
The lore is... well, there really isn't much, and what little there is just sucks. Not to mention it's just more of Blizzard's hack writers glorifying the supposed awesomeness of Green Jesus... err, Thrall... every chance they get, usually to the detriment of the PC or other characters.
Gathering skills mean jack shit now, and crafting is a joke. Collect 50 pieces of 'Item A' (the acquiring of which is conveniently limited by a day-long cooldown) and combine them. Wow, how deep.
I held on for a while, and I did have some fun, but Blizzard truly has dropped the ball with WoD. I dove in headfirst and cracked my skull open on the concrete bottom, realizing too late just how shallow the WoD pool really is.
I'll stick with games that actually look like effort was put forth in their creation from now on.
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This may have already been covered, but I give credence to the line of though that Blizzard doesn't need WoW anymore. Smaller games that are cheaper to make are what they want to do. Like The MOBA and card games. Titan was canned, WoW's last two xpacs feel like a ripoff, bare minimum acceptable content patches in between xpacs...I mean, someone tell me I'm wrong. If there's a place that will, it is this site.
But I will add that like most users on this site you telling me I am wrong will probably not change my mind. :-)
Once guilds have cleared the new raid on mythic, which the most progressed guild has 12/13 down so I mean it hasn't even been cleared yet so that's a good thing. Then we will know when the next content patch or expansion will come out. But it's only been like a couple weeks since the release of it. Wish they would make it a bit harder I guess.
Every time they push out an Xpac after a year or more content drought "We are aiming to have a quicker turn around between last patch and next xpac" then at the end of each cycle, it just goes dark till blizzcon.
Then the expansion pack launches, same lip service is paid to people and millions of copies sell, why would they change?
Originally posted by Dauntis I think they will announce the next xpac at gamescon, probably just the title. Then at Blizzcon a reveal a bit more, patches and updates towards the new xpac occasionally released through the year and xpac released around November 2016. They said last update for WoD, doesn't mean their won't be updates leading into their next xpac,
I agree with that. And yes, they will probably do a large patch that will lead into the expansion but there will still be a pretty large gap between updates unless they plan to rush this expansion (which would be a rather stupid decision).
Say that the game will release nov 2016 and the patch leading up to it will release 3 months earlier, then there would be a gap in content for a year. A lot assumption therethough, lets hope that is wrong because a year without any new content would drop subscriptions worse than anything before.
As many said here, Blizzard isnt about making a solid game anymore, its all about the $$ which is fine..they are a company and $$ is what they need but quality brings $$ which has worked for them for years until recently. They have lost/changes their strategy and dont seem to care anymore about the game or players which is unfortunate.
FFXIV however is all about the players and the game, they are producing high quality patches and quickly...all without a public test realm. Yoshi, the producer/director is clearly focused on this game and making it the best out there. 15 years of MMO gaming and this is now my favorite of everyone I have played. FFXIV has great graphics, music, story and raid content. Id suggest to anyone tired of WOW and their current direction to try FFXIV.
As many said here, Blizzard isnt about making a solid game anymore, its all about the $$ which is fine..they are a company and $$ is what they need but quality brings $$ which has worked for them for years until recently. They have lost/changes their strategy and dont seem to care anymore about the game or players which is unfortunate.
FFXIV however is all about the players and the game, they are producing high quality patches and quickly...all without a public test realm. Yoshi, the producer/director is clearly focused on this game and making it the best out there. 15 years of MMO gaming and this is now my favorite of everyone I have played. FFXIV has great graphics, music, story and raid content. Id suggest to anyone tired of WOW and their current direction to try FFXIV.
Nice plug. FFXIV is a sleep inducing game at best, couldn t stomach it for more then 2 weeks. I don t necessarily suggest WoW, FFXIV I don t either.
FFXIV is definitely doing things right. WoW is not. Both are great games, WoW is probably more fun to actually PLAY, but FFXIV is now better in anything PvE/Crafting-wise. PvP is still WoW, but they are quickly mucking that up with each expansion.
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what's better?
I had fun once, it was terrible.
Well, I don't play WoW anymore. Haven't had an active sub since Cata. When I do play, it's only on Vanilla servers. I don't follow WoW updates religiously, but I still nerd out and watch every expansion announcement live. I don't know that I'll ever resub, unless they shift away from making WoW like a facebook game (Garrison are garbage). But really my dream scenario is them releasing an official Vanilla server.
WoW, even with all of it's massive population drops, is still the most populated western mmo out there. That still counts for a lot when you're discussing news and whatnot. WoW also has a following that is specific to the WarCraft brands and Blizzard name alone, and that community as a whole is pretty large as well.
Yes, there are things that other games do some things better, but no one has out "WoW'd" WoW. The raiding community is still extremely active and there is a significant amount of players interesting in things like world first boss kills, etc. WoW is still a complete package when you're looking at overall value from over the years.
However, like you said, WoW is old. It's starting to really show signs of age via the massive population drops coming quicker between patches. Blizzard also still hasn't figured out how to keep the casual PvE community within the world itself. There's a few world bosses to be killed, but there is nothing like Silverwastes from GW2 or the Vet+ system from ESO to keep folks going in the open world. It's even worse now as people are all holed up in their own garrisons all of the time and only step out to raid or instanced pvp...which really isn't stepping out at all.
I played WoW from Jan '05 to August '12. Went back for a few months for MoP and left. Went back for WoD and lasted even less time, and I don't think I could go back again. Not without basically a complete overhaul of how the game operates for non-raiding pve folks.
Otherwise, I am happy messing around in GW2 and playing stuff like Rocket League on the side.
Because it is a 10 year old game that still has the most subscribers in the genre. It is still the biggest beast in the MMO zoo.
....is most likely when they'll bust open an announcement for their next Expansion. Blizzard plays it hard and dirty with their PR campaigns, always trying to push their products and news to the front while pushing the competition out.
Value/cost wise, it would seem that Heart of Thrones is a far better option before it even releases. WoD released mid-November 2014 for a $50 cost. Nearly 7 months later and there have been a total of 2 content patches; TWO! 7x$15= $105 subscription cost (event at the 6month rate, it is $91). So far it has cost players $141-155 for WoW for the past 7 months of the expansion and its two content patches. HoT for GW2 is going to cost $50 with $0 subscription cost at all. The first 7 months of that expansion will still only be $50 cost.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
...What if....
Blizzard had already had most of the next expansion fleshed out and spent the time since Nov writing it. This would explain why they're only giving 1 content patch. Then Blizzard drops a bombshell at Blizzcon that the next expansion is coming out in December or sometime sooner than expected
This would make it so that everyone would be hyped to buy the next expansion. I've always felt that ALL game companies hype up their games/expansions way too early, some even years before release. By the time release comes around you're like "This hasn't been released yet?"
If you announce a release date like a month or two in advance, then you will have a lot more people doing an impulsive buy.
Yep, they're great at taking the hype from other games.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Three possible reasons for no more content updates.
1. Next expansion announced in a few weeks and a release this Christmas 2015. Boom! Surprise!
2. Wow is being ported to a new engine. Eve online did it a few years back, WOW has a great engine but it's 15 years old. If they want to innovate and improve the graphics fidelity, and compete with today's MMO's like GW2 with dynamic events, destructible worlds (Crowfall, EQNext), advanced A.I., they need a new engine, the old one can only do so much.
3.It's going completely F2P, probably around the time the movie hits theaters. Boom! Surprise! Or even as early as Christmas 2015.
This is just tragic, its like they are going out of their way to hurt their own game. It never sat well with me with the WOD xpac considering how long it was from the expansion release from the last patch for MOP.
I suppose what makes it so sad is that they dwarf every other MMO with their subs (even with them declining) yet they cannot match the level of pace, diversity and content of Final Fantasy 14 which has had to pretty much claw its way out of the abyss.
With WoW it just isn't worth the sub, the development to the game just doesn't make it a viable purhcase anymore, no value for money. I had played since Vanilla, I did everything, all reps, raids etc etc, I mean I've done it all up to WOD where I just completed the base game. If my sub is not contributing to the development, then why would I pay it? I am not going to pay a sub, to finance an expansion, for them to sell right back to me. Its like paying someone money to build you a car, then they sell you the car... I've already bought the car dammit!!!
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Is it?
Just wondering because you included the word western (assume you mean played in the west) and left out the word "sub". And there are a lot of big non-sub based games out there that are quote massive multiplayer and online. Whether that makes them mmos or not is another matter but then again the same charge is levied by many against WoW these days.
Activision just say biggest "sub based mmo".
Garrisons were an opportunity to do something awesome, instead they've been turned into a couple of grindy Facebook games.
The loot system is just awful. You can do every single raid for the week, use up all your sigils, and not get one single piece of usable gear. Just a pitiful amount of gold.
The legendary ring quests are a fucking joke. Grind, grind, grind. 900 pieces @ 20-40 per week... there are old F2P Korean games with less grind.
The raids and dungeons are a joke. They're short, easy (even by LFR / LFG standards), and look like almost no effort was put into them. Not one time in any WoD dungeon or raid did I say, "Oh wow, that looks awesome!", or, "Oh man, that boss looks badass!" It's all cookie-cutter enemies with blue hats instead of red, and recycled tilesets. Ho hum.
The lore is... well, there really isn't much, and what little there is just sucks. Not to mention it's just more of Blizzard's hack writers glorifying the supposed awesomeness of Green Jesus... err, Thrall... every chance they get, usually to the detriment of the PC or other characters.
Gathering skills mean jack shit now, and crafting is a joke. Collect 50 pieces of 'Item A' (the acquiring of which is conveniently limited by a day-long cooldown) and combine them. Wow, how deep.
I held on for a while, and I did have some fun, but Blizzard truly has dropped the ball with WoD. I dove in headfirst and cracked my skull open on the concrete bottom, realizing too late just how shallow the WoD pool really is.
I'll stick with games that actually look like effort was put forth in their creation from now on.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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This may have already been covered, but I give credence to the line of though that Blizzard doesn't need WoW anymore. Smaller games that are cheaper to make are what they want to do. Like The MOBA and card games. Titan was canned, WoW's last two xpacs feel like a ripoff, bare minimum acceptable content patches in between xpacs...I mean, someone tell me I'm wrong. If there's a place that will, it is this site.
But I will add that like most users on this site you telling me I am wrong will probably not change my mind. :-)
How about when Wildstar goes f2p?
Every time they push out an Xpac after a year or more content drought "We are aiming to have a quicker turn around between last patch and next xpac" then at the end of each cycle, it just goes dark till blizzcon.
Then the expansion pack launches, same lip service is paid to people and millions of copies sell, why would they change?
I agree with that. And yes, they will probably do a large patch that will lead into the expansion but there will still be a pretty large gap between updates unless they plan to rush this expansion (which would be a rather stupid decision).
Say that the game will release nov 2016 and the patch leading up to it will release 3 months earlier, then there would be a gap in content for a year. A lot assumption therethough, lets hope that is wrong because a year without any new content would drop subscriptions worse than anything before.
As many said here, Blizzard isnt about making a solid game anymore, its all about the $$ which is fine..they are a company and $$ is what they need but quality brings $$ which has worked for them for years until recently. They have lost/changes their strategy and dont seem to care anymore about the game or players which is unfortunate.
FFXIV however is all about the players and the game, they are producing high quality patches and quickly...all without a public test realm. Yoshi, the producer/director is clearly focused on this game and making it the best out there. 15 years of MMO gaming and this is now my favorite of everyone I have played. FFXIV has great graphics, music, story and raid content. Id suggest to anyone tired of WOW and their current direction to try FFXIV.
Nice plug. FFXIV is a sleep inducing game at best, couldn t stomach it for more then 2 weeks. I don t necessarily suggest WoW, FFXIV I don t either.
FFXIV is definitely doing things right. WoW is not. Both are great games, WoW is probably more fun to actually PLAY, but FFXIV is now better in anything PvE/Crafting-wise. PvP is still WoW, but they are quickly mucking that up with each expansion.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile