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Kicking people from a pug group.
Zauberson
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Please don't kick people out of groups. This seems to be a new development of the last few years kicking people out of groups because they are not as good as you wish them to be. I wish people would only do it in really extreme cases.
People running a dungeon for the first time.
People making a mistake.
People having a weak build.
People not having really good gear.
People not maximizing their damage output.
People using a spells the way you don't think is best.
Also whatever ever happened to the idea of having fun while playing a game such as running a dungeon with a group of people and helping each other as much as possible to get through the dungeon. Would it not be fun for a good player to help weaker players through the dungeon?
Another thought whatever happened to the idea of learning the dungeon while you are playing it? Is that not the real purpose and fun?
Is it not boring like school or a job to know exactly what you have to do before hand and then just executing it like a bunch of robots in the army.
It just to be fun exploring and running dungeons but in the last few months years you have to be super duper and "AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"
Speed Runs and no sense of fun of doing it.
a world reborn was the last mmo I run dungeons. Why after running 2/3 of the dungeon as both healer and magic damage dealer I quit why?
As a healer I was average sometimes poor if a person insisted on super duper healing and speed. Ran only the easier ones as a healer. As a magic damage dealer I was fine. Had a perfectly good spell rotation which a varied to suit my taste according to the situation. I got kicked because the guy thought I was not using optimum spell rotation. It gives me the feeling of not having control over my own body. And please believe me when I say that my spell rotation was very good.
I have always mainly soloed I now soloed exclusively for the last year. I am now playing guild wars 2. Not a bad game for exploring. I have now reached level 60. I am itching to run a dungeon again. Sometimes its really fun running dungeons. Its more excitement than soloing.
Should I run dungeons again?
Do we really need this feature of kicking people from groups?
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I like to play with relaxed people,i don't like to feel any stress at all.I have zero tolerance for people that act like kiddies or impatient,i'd rather logout than play with them.
Have to remember we are dealing with a lot of immature people in gaming.They are quick with the name calling,insults,elitism,selfishness etc etc.Just like bottting and cheating,the immaturity is going nowhere.
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Back in the day, OK here we go, anyway, Back in early MMOs I use to PUG almost exclusively. Didn't matter much because there wasn't a thing call min/max, get that loot and stuff.
We played to enjoy each others company and have fun. If the level happened, it happened. Courtesy and respect were more important because if you were an ass, people ignored you.
I think around 2007 things started changing and by 2010 I was more inclined to not bother getting a group at all. Exclusive in friends and family because attitude of others became intolerable.
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Most of the group kicks that I've seen have been due to a member disappearing. This can be offline or AFK, but if a member doesn't seem to be coming back, he's likely to be kicked. I've occasionally had to kick people for weird things like following the group but never engaging in combat, or constantly running ahead and trying to aggro as many mobs as possible in an attempt at wiping the group. But other than being gone, no particular reason for a kick shows up more than once in a great while in the PUGs I've seen.
GW2 pugs are generally quite good in my experience. About 75% are speed runs, those usually say so in their group description. Out of the 75%, about half are elitist with little patience. In their defense, that's how they play and they are often honest about it. About 25% of the groups are not speed runs. Half of those are very casual, interested in running the story dungeons.
I run majority of my dungeons with at least 1 friend, that way you can have a good laugh when someone is being immature in the group. Rarely was I ever kicked (or saw anyone being kicked), it doesn't happen often.
GW2 is nice, you can't directly tell if someone is "undergeared". In many cases it also isn't instantly obvious when someone sucks. This makes the less successful runs less explosive.
If you are in a guild or top type group sure. PUGs are for the low experienced players.
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I know that there is a real life person on the computer end of that avatar just trying have fun. I don't let my haste to acquire virtual gear obscure that fact. If I want to get down to business, I go with guildies who are there to accomplish a specific goal.
I'm in a guild now (which I found by pugging). I have rarely met any friends except by pugging. You can meet new friends by pugging as well. What's the hurry?
If you can't join a guild, make one. PUGs are the bottom of the food chain of raiding/instance running. Stop looking for high skill in that area.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I play healers and tanks, and do so well. I've only been kicked once, because the premade's dps thought a new healer would make them be able to like double their dps? Idk.
As a tank, I don't give groups enough time to kick a dps unless they're deliberately being awful or really. If you're trying and I can carry you, climb on my shoulders, it's piggyback time.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Old school mmos wasn't like that because best gears was crafted, so dungeons was about the challenge of the dungeon itself.
That's also the same problem when those same "gear-chasers" jump into the newer breed of games such as Elite Dangerous and fail to realise that those type of games are not about gear but play style, and the game was created with no such thing as best "gears" in mind, and fails to adjust to it.
No one tries to play good because if they get kicked they'll find another group. They wouldn't care about them group mates because likely you will never see them ever again. And no one helps another one, why they should when they can just replace them with a better version?
If there was a Group Finder involved in the real life people would have been /kicking and replacing their partners first time they burned a toast.
Anything easy to replace loses its value.
As for those who are claiming they want speed runs and can't stand people not knowing the dungeon. WTF are you relying on PUGs for in the first place and expecting everyone to be "as good" as you when you yourself arent even good enough to carry another lower performing player through.
Any self respecting speed runner who is going to be demanding of others does so because theyre good enough to be able to drag even a shitty team through it at a higher than normal rate. If you're not capable enough to do that, you're most likely just a big whiner who needs to be helped along and immediately blames others for sucking to try to draw the attention away fromt heir mistakes. If you need everyone else to be very good just to make your way through a basic speed run, you should probably stop crutching on other players who are good so heavily and maybe find one who is willing to teach you how to do it right.
About the 10th time through, you just wanted it to be over. Please.
Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.
Pretty much every MMO I tried after that no one gave a crap, it was all just me, me, me. People have just become obnoxious and impatient.
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When the game starts automating grouping, when players can easily find groups, when the barrier to grouping is so low, there is very little reason to build any long term relationship and very little reason to be aware of how you treat other players in your group. If the consequence of kicking players from a group has no ramification, it becomes easy to justify it.
City of Heroes was like that too.
These guys want to play pro-ball with little leaguers. If they really want to be pro they should step up and teach.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
This is an elitist thing which has always been an issue in this or any other online genre.
Reputation usually tied to how well you played, so it wasn't those dropping group members who were black-listed, it was those being dropped.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
When your relationship with another person is a key component in whatever goal you would like to achieve, you will shape your behaviour, you will make it conform to a certain socially accepted standard.
When that person is non-essential and easily substituted for another person, your relationship with that person becomes superfluous, and you are no longer forced to conform to those same standards.
When an MMO, heavily automates grouping, when the groups last for short periods, when content and travel has been simplified, you are no longer forced to build long term relationships, you are no longer required to uphold any standards, because your actions, have little consequences.
I don't think our behaviour towards others is purely an individual thing, I think most people understand that -you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar-, and this is especially true in environments where your happiness and prosperity, depends on your relationship with others. How we behave towards others, I think, is very situational, and depending on the situation we find ourselves in, we shape our behavior accordingly.
When we do PUG we have one guideline, 'We welcome the ignorant but won't tolerate the stupid.'
New and don't know what to do? Great and welcome, here is some stuff, some advice, a couple quick tips lets go. Ahh a wipe. No worries. Happens to everyone, etc etc
A few wipes in...Please don't do "this very explicit definition of X."...they do X....mate plz dont do X again ...does X again..../kick