BillMurphy said:
I have to try the nerfs out today, but I'm a little worried. I really loathed how much downtime the game had before. Stopping to meditate between every fight was boring and silly. I won't mind fights being a little more planned out, but I hope they still do enough healing to make downtime negligible.
You "loathed" the 30 second downtime between fights? Wow.
Yeh some people not just Bill like to feel active playing a game not stopping for 30s after every fight to enjoy a game after work. Perhaps you have more time on your hands than most but those that don't like to maximise our enjoyment when we relax, we don't have to pause a blu-ray after every clip to give the device downtime so we can start it again do we!
Yep, this. The downtime was forced, and in my opinion silly. Why on earth would I stop and meditate, 30 feet from a group of troopers? Other than the fact that I needed to because of the game's poor downtime design. Downtime, to me, is a silly mechanic that serves little real purpose other than stopping the fun of a game. In competitive games like DotA the downtime between dying and coming back to a fight makes sense. In an MMO, it's just out of place.
But, again, it's just my opinion.
but dont you have to expect some down time after a fight? other wise it mite not feel challenging...to an extent. If you could just fight, fight, fight , and never have to stop...what would be the point of medkits and healing abliities. DT has always been a part of mmos, the most I have experienced in SWTOR is around 15sec on average, and 30ish after a elite fight, standard imo.
That is because you have not or do not explore various scenarios and situation in the game the way many of us do. If you are just doing solo story missions, nerf doesn't do anything for you but you go for solo achievement hunting like many of us, it is biting us in the ass. And before you tell me to group up like others, no i will not group up to kill something that before 4.0 i could solo with my eyes closed. With 4.0 they brought in gimping and overpowered companion to nullify the gimping, now they nerfed the companions to the point where they are worse than before 4.0 thus effectively made players worthless since our leveling and gearing worthless too thanks to gimping. That is not fun for me and many other players who have been playing since beta.
Most of the people who says they are perfectly alright with nerfing are those :- 1. who don't play the game as extensively as some of us do, 2. who are nothing but fanboys; can't take any criticism against eaware austin and swtor 3. who literally play swtor day and night with "like minded" friends and always doing something in game in number of 4 or even 8...
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
They now issued early beta like questionnaire to give "feeback" after 1 month live. That should tell you how much time they spent on this decision and that it was not thought out AT ALL. They literally listened to the whiners. And changed it. To what mostly seems like random numbers.
Best thing is that that same questionnaire shows they have NO CLUE how their game functions as the "intent" is impossible to achieve without basically reworking half of the game and combat system/classes.
Unfortunately, it shows way deeper problems with the game that current dev team is just incompetent to deal with. Begs the question is there barely anyone working on the game any more.
I cannot post on Official Forums as I have unSub'd due to Bioware's "Silence Shall Fall" policies, so I will post here and hope someone copy pastes to official forums ... you have my permission...
I played some after newest patch, got a good feel now for how the companion changes effect gameplay for me. Changes are OK with me. I am OK with the Dev's "vision for companions and combat" as stated by Eric Musco on his latest Dev post. I see what the Dev's want and what they are shooting for. I could play SWTOR as it is now...
HOWEVER.... I am not the only Player of SWTOR... I am not the only customer.
I respect the all other Players of SWTOR enough to listen to and acknowledge not only the Dev's "vision for Companions" but also the diverse Players "expectations for companions and combat" and to a Player Customer their expectations are just as Valid as the Devs vision.
Why?
Because if the expectations of a Customer group aren't met they may decide to forgo the product / service. The Devs no longer have their Customers and the Customers no longer have the product the seek.
According to what I have read from many of the Players angry posts is this: Bioware gave the Players a taste of how playing SWTOR feels and flows (how time is spent ingame) when the Player and Companion are tuned to be truly heroic as in the movie style heroic. This is arguably a different experience for a Player that the experience Bioware intends for Companions and Players according to Eric Musco's own Dev post...
Which group is Bioware going to cater to? The Dev's and their vision, Players that want a challenge and like 4.0.2, or Players who want their characters and companions to feel heroic and fast like their perception of the movie hero's of Star Wars?
I can live with a revert of patch 4.0.2 even though I enjoy a challenge... because I can turn off Companion's abilities and "fine tune" my gameplay experience without taking away a gameplay experience that I think is very Valid and should be respected.
SWTOR was made because of the movies and the movies and how customers
remember how they felt as they watched them is always going to matter
more in SWTOR than it would in other MMOs. Most new Players gained from Star Wars Ep. 7 will be seeking the heroic feel of Star Wars much more than getting nitpicky about gameplay challenge the way I and some other Players do (in my opinion).
To be blunt" Bioware's goals for Companions does not match Players expectations for Companions with at least the group so upset about the Companion changes in 4.0.2. That right there will kill the game for those Players. Not good for Quarterly profits OR for the MMO Community as a whole.
Revert the Patch is my recommendation. I can play with how Companions were before 4.0.2 by using the options available to me through selecting and deselecting companion abilities, telling them to go passive, or sending them out on crafting missions. Bioware does not need to alienate and frustrate an sizable portion of the playerbase just to make some players like me that enjoy challenge happier. (I was already doing this pre-4.0 and I will continue to do so... it is
one of the few ways in SWTOR Players exercise ANY Choice at all and I
will use to the fullest.)
So as a Player that enjoys challenge I see no rational or profitable reason for Bioware's current position on "Companion Goals" as stated by Eric Musco. In my opinion it's just Bioware pointing a Blaster at their foot and pulling the trigger. As an "Challenge Player" I can adapt easier than a "Want to feel Heroic" Player can, because that magic sweet spot where a MMO feels just right is hard to find for most Players, and Challenge Players make their own sweet spots.
Bioware found that sweet spot that so many Players were seeking in October with 4.0. It is a shame in my mind to give up what was gained. When Bioware looses customers We loose fellow Players to share the Star Wars virtual universe with, even in a MMO designed to be mostly a solo experience.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
We had a pole going on in official forums, over 8000 people were happy with companions only about 700 people said nerf them. It seems EAWare Austin decided to listen to these 10% instead of 90%.
Another update : Before 4.0 as level 60, the champion monoliths in Ziost were perfectly soloable with only elite comm gears. Now they are not soloable after companion nerf if we are playing dps or tank, it is soloable if companions are in tank stance and players is healing but takes a very long time, 5 minute fight before 4.0 now a near 20 min fight.
Ok first you are talking about the Swtor forums probably one of the worst forums in all of video games. Of course if a person puts a poll that has to do with the monthly QQ topic (there is always something the forum regulars are QQing about) it will get the most votes. Read the main thread it has 900 post 10 posters probably have at least 90% of the post! That's how the Swtor forums are that's why NOBODY who actually plays the games goes on them.
Second can you post a link to this "poll" that has 9000 votes? I can't find it on the "official forums".
I guess you missed galore of deleted/relocated threads. That most likely were followed by massive bans.
Funny enough that even the old poll on companions even BEFORE datamined numbers dropped, when "majority" on the forums were whining about op companions showed SAME result.
Of course. that thread was deleted too. Links are still hovering on official forums.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
This Bioware has no clue what they are doing.
I'm beginning to think they only got lucky and blindly stumbled into success with their F2P conversion.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
We had a pole going on in official forums, over 8000 people were happy with companions only about 700 people said nerf them. It seems EAWare Austin decided to listen to these 10% instead of 90%.
Another update : Before 4.0 as level 60, the champion monoliths in Ziost were perfectly soloable with only elite comm gears. Now they are not soloable after companion nerf if we are playing dps or tank, it is soloable if companions are in tank stance and players is healing but takes a very long time, 5 minute fight before 4.0 now a near 20 min fight.
Ok first you are talking about the Swtor forums probably one of the worst forums in all of video games. Of course if a person puts a poll that has to do with the monthly QQ topic (there is always something the forum regulars are QQing about) it will get the most votes. Read the main thread it has 900 post 10 posters probably have at least 90% of the post! That's how the Swtor forums are that's why NOBODY who actually plays the games goes on them.
Second can you post a link to this "poll" that has 9000 votes? I can't find it on the "official forums".
I guess you missed galore of deleted/relocated threads. That most likely were followed by massive bans.
Funny enough that even the old poll on companions even BEFORE datamined numbers dropped, when "majority" on the forums were whining about op companions showed SAME result.
Of course. that thread was deleted too. Links are still hovering on official forums.
Yeah because it never existed. One of the hottest topics to hit Swtor since slot machines (yes these QQers complained about a slot machines) only has 1,000 post. Again 90% of those post are the same people repeating themselves over and over. There has NEVER been a poll on Swtor forums that had 9000 votes...NEVER
Like I said there has NEVER been a poll with 9000 votes on the Swtor forums. What did you two think you would get by lying about the number of votes? .
Lol and my point about the same people posting on the forums over and over also goes for your "straw poll"
New members are not allowed here?
Who cares? And you do same thing like anytime in the past:
DENY EVERYTHING!
BW will "feel" this patch. And not in a good way.
These are not official forums, and i will remind you to look at title of the thread. I even gave a early tip to watch out for happenings on official forums and removal/relocation of massive number of threads is a FACT.
But as i said, its just amusement to me now.
BW, you have failed me for the last time *force choke*
Like I said there has NEVER been a poll with 9000 votes on the Swtor forums. What did you two think you would get by lying about the number of votes? .
Lol and my point about the same people posting on the forums over and over also goes for your "straw poll"
New members are not allowed here?
Who cares? And you do same thing like anytime in the past:
DENY EVERYTHING!
BW will "feel" this patch. And not in a good way.
Haha just like Kotfe "WILL BE THE NGE" lol yeah increasing server capacity really through a wrench in that plan for you guys hmm?
Evertime there is a new QQ topic on the forums you guys scream bloody murder how it's the end...
News flash EVERYTIME YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG!
Swtor will be fine loosing a couple forums champions isn't going to hurt the game. But it might help that cesspool of a forum.
I have A LOT of popcorn.
And, since EA announced SWTORs subs were up 33% leading into KOTFE, well, well see.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
We had a pole going on in official forums, over 8000 people were happy with companions only about 700 people said nerf them. It seems EAWare Austin decided to listen to these 10% instead of 90%.
Another update : Before 4.0 as level 60, the champion monoliths in Ziost were perfectly soloable with only elite comm gears. Now they are not soloable after companion nerf if we are playing dps or tank, it is soloable if companions are in tank stance and players is healing but takes a very long time, 5 minute fight before 4.0 now a near 20 min fight.
Ok first you are talking about the Swtor forums probably one of the worst forums in all of video games. Of course if a person puts a poll that has to do with the monthly QQ topic (there is always something the forum regulars are QQing about) it will get the most votes. Read the main thread it has 900 post 10 posters probably have at least 90% of the post! That's how the Swtor forums are that's why NOBODY who actually plays the games goes on them.
Second can you post a link to this "poll" that has 9000 votes? I can't find it on the "official forums".
1st point, it is not just swtor forums, try looking at WoW forums too, the reason of "negative" comments is that people normally don't impress upon positive because by nature we are skeptical about people who take money from us, we believe if we praise them they will continue to reduce quality but continue to charge more, look WoW, they are trying to sell yet another expansion for 50$ despite all the negativity.
2nd point, you can not find it because the thread was deleted by eaware austin. that poll had over 9000 votes but now the strawpoll has removed all the votes from duplicate set of ip like mine and only kept unique one. i will link the poll for you, check the results :
EDIT : ok i guess i did not read the later posts of yours and did not read someone already linked poll. But seems to me you don't really give shit about facts and data but only come here to troll. have fun trolling.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
Heroics should be more difficult, or take longer, than normal content. Otherwise they are just farming spots. I'm sorry that no one can do the 30 heroics pizza run, (30 minuets or I start to complain). Face it. my companions at lvl 10 were out powering me before. That isn't right. I'm the hero! not some silly side kick Once again. L2P, letting your companion do it is not playing. That is no better than glorified botting. (I'm not saying it is, just that it is no better)
Players - QQ! I cannot do nothing and get tons of money anymore QQ! Mobs - Yay! we are no longer just dust in the wind. Being facerolled was such an annoyance, why did they have to stop to fight us anyway. Oh yeah, these are supposed to be a challenge because it is a heroic and designed to be a grind for the new system.
Kinda funny that one type of grind is pathetic, while raid runs over and over (you know grinding) is not. Rep grinding is no different - but since you now have to have a bit of strategy, or -god forbid- use a cc power now, it sucks.
I've done most planets H2 by this point. It only took me a few extra minuets per planet. ohh boo hoo. I'm more pissed at loosing the uniqueness some of my companions. On the plus side of that I can use the companion I want and not be forced to use one I do not want. So bonus!
Like I said there has NEVER been a poll with 9000 votes on the Swtor forums. What did you two think you would get by lying about the number of votes? .
Lol and my point about the same people posting on the forums over and over also goes for your "straw poll"
New members are not allowed here?
Who cares? And you do same thing like anytime in the past:
DENY EVERYTHING!
BW will "feel" this patch. And not in a good way.
Swtor will be fine loosing a couple forums champions isn't going to hurt the game. But it might help that cesspool of a forum.
You guys have been saying that since 2 million subscriptions and how many shutdown server shards is it now?
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
We had a pole going on in official forums, over 8000 people were happy with companions only about 700 people said nerf them. It seems EAWare Austin decided to listen to these 10% instead of 90%.
Another update : Before 4.0 as level 60, the champion monoliths in Ziost were perfectly soloable with only elite comm gears. Now they are not soloable after companion nerf if we are playing dps or tank, it is soloable if companions are in tank stance and players is healing but takes a very long time, 5 minute fight before 4.0 now a near 20 min fight.
Ok first you are talking about the Swtor forums probably one of the worst forums in all of video games. Of course if a person puts a poll that has to do with the monthly QQ topic (there is always something the forum regulars are QQing about) it will get the most votes. Read the main thread it has 900 post 10 posters probably have at least 90% of the post! That's how the Swtor forums are that's why NOBODY who actually plays the games goes on them.
Second can you post a link to this "poll" that has 9000 votes? I can't find it on the "official forums".
1st point, it is not just swtor forums, try looking at WoW forums too, the reason of "negative" comments is that people normally don't impress upon positive because by nature we are skeptical about people who take money from us, we believe if we praise them they will continue to reduce quality but continue to charge more, look WoW, they are trying to sell yet another expansion for 50$ despite all the negativity.
2nd point, you can not find it because the thread was deleted by eaware austin. that poll had over 9000 votes but now the strawpoll has removed all the votes from duplicate set of ip like mine and only kept unique one. i will link the poll for you, check the results :
EDIT : ok i guess i did not read the later posts of yours and did not read someone already linked poll. But seems to me you don't really give shit about facts and data but only come here to troll. have fun trolling.
Lol facts? You claimed it had 9000 votes? I provided a FACT that there has never been a poll on the Swtor forums that had 9000 votes.
No I'm the one providing the FACTS you are the one trolling with your "9000 votes".
Edit: The "we" in your comment you are referring to the forum QQers. Just so you know your "we" are a small fraction of the actual players (<1%) of the games. Because of your "we" players stay away from the games official forums. It doesn't matter what game WoW, Swtor any game the "we" as you describe have destroyed video game forums...congrats
There isn't even 9000 people on most servers, if not all. You're right, you caught him. But what percent of the sides with him?
Like I said there has NEVER been a poll with 9000 votes on the Swtor forums. What did you two think you would get by lying about the number of votes? .
Lol and my point about the same people posting on the forums over and over also goes for your "straw poll"
New members are not allowed here?
Who cares? And you do same thing like anytime in the past:
DENY EVERYTHING!
BW will "feel" this patch. And not in a good way.
Swtor will be fine loosing a couple forums champions isn't going to hurt the game. But it might help that cesspool of a forum.
You guys have been saying that since 2 million subscriptions and how many shutdown server shards is it now?
They haven't closed a server since 2012...after Kotfe launched they actually increased server capacity. If you are going to comment on a video game, try and do a little research.
Research what? I've been playing and the population clearly dropped a week into release of the expansion. You deny this? 3 hours of cutscenes isn't going to keep the game alive. Neither is not adding any new content to the game for years. Running heroics on Tat but with level sync this time, isn't new content.
The only person you are fooling are the ones who haven't played in the past 2 years. You better do a good job though, you're going to need to fool as many people as you can to make up for the loses.
Haha what loses? Oh you mean the loses EVERY MMORPG has after a big update? Sorry a week after release they increased server capacity. You just cried they are continuing to close servers NOT the case. Again they actually increased server capacities. I understand you have been crying Swtor is dead since 2011 and are getting really desperate that it hasn't closed yet but trust me you will be crying for a few more years!
Haha what loses? Oh you mean the loses EVERY MMORPG has after a big update? Sorry a week after release they increased server capacity. You just cried they are continuing to close servers NOT the case. Again they actually increased server capacities. I understand you have been crying Swtor is dead since 2011 and are getting really desperate that it hasn't closed yet but trust me you will be crying for a few more years!
Enjoy your tears...
I'll look forward to your merge servers thread.
I'm looking forward to your death of Swtor 2016 thread. You know copy paste them from your death to Swtor 2011,2012,2013,2014, and 2015 threads.
Me and the 2.6 million others that left since 2011. By the way, are you still trolling here because you're waiting on a queue to pop?
First off, we want to thank all of you for your feedback about Companion balance following 4.0.2. As we go into the weekend, we wanted you to know that we have gone through this thread, the forums, Reddit, and social media to gather everyone’s perspectives. We have come out of this with quite a few action items that we are going to take, including buffs for Companions. On Monday, we are going to release a forum post highlighting our plans to address current Companion balance, along with the state of Heroic Missions and Star Fortress.
Thank you all once again for your feedback.
-eric"
Looks like at least somebody cared about losing a lot of subs.
Too late IMO. I can't go through this every time there's a patch. Or allow a small vocal minority to screw with my gameplay.
The shills encouraged everyone to leave instead of being intelligent enought to have foresight that less players in a dying game isn't a smart move. I'm glad somebody with AUTHORITY was smart enough to do the right thing.
However:
1. They are only buffing the companions. Not returning to pre-nerf levels. 2. When mods delete or hide threads, it's no different then telling that player, F YOU! 3. The white knight shills were always jerks to other players expressing their concerns. 4. No new Ops. 5. No more NiM. 6. No new WZ maps. 7. No new GSF maps. 8. No more gearing your companion. 9. The population was dropping again before the patch. 10. Bugs from launch are still around. 11. Lag. 12. You can only be level 65 in 1 open world zone. 13. No new content other than running Heroics on low level planets as a level sync 65. 14. The players in PuGs keep getting worse in group content. 15. Attributes have been taken away. 16. You are encouraged to leave the game.
Why hasn't any of this been addressed yet by EA? Most people who unsubbed over night didn't do it solely because of the companion nerf.
First off, we want to thank all of you for your feedback about Companion balance following 4.0.2. As we go into the weekend, we wanted you to know that we have gone through this thread, the forums, Reddit, and social media to gather everyone’s perspectives. We have come out of this with quite a few action items that we are going to take, including buffs for Companions. On Monday, we are going to release a forum post highlighting our plans to address current Companion balance, along with the state of Heroic Missions and Star Fortress.
Thank you all once again for your feedback.
-eric"
Looks like at least somebody cared about losing a lot of subs.
Too late IMO. I can't go through this every time there's a patch. Or allow a small vocal minority to screw with my gameplay.
The shills encouraged everyone to leave instead of being intelligent enought to have foresight that less players in a dying game isn't a smart move. I'm glad somebody with AUTHORITY was smart enough to do the right thing.
However:
1. They are only buffing the companions. Not returning to pre-nerf levels. 2. When mods delete or hide threads, it's no different then telling that player, F YOU! 3. The white knight shills were always jerks to other players expressing their concerns. 4. No new Ops. 5. No more NiM. 6. No new WZ maps. 7. No new GSF maps. 8. No more gearing your companion. 9. The population was dropping again before the patch. 10. Bugs from launch are still around. 11. Lag. 12. You can only be level 65 in 2 open world zones. 13. No new content other than running Heroics on low level planets as a level sync 65. 14. The players in PuGs keep getting worse in group content. 15. Attributes have been taken away. 16. You are encouraged to leave the game.
Why hasn't any of this been addressed yet by EA? Most people who unsubbed over night didn't do it solely because of the companion nerf.
"Most people who unsubbed over night". Lol the desperation in you guys is hilarious! These "most people who unsubbed " will continue to be in the forums crying for the next few years. So much for your mass "overnight unsub" lol
Does this site allow you to copy/paste troll bait? Yeah you guys have been crying pre-Kotfe about all of this. You claimed it will be the NGE of Swtor just like 2.0, 2.1,2.2,2.3,3.0,3.1,3.2,3.3, 4.0,4.0.1,4.0.2 and so on.
We understand you are hurt you have been wrong for almost 5 years but we don't feel sorry for you.
All 2.6 million of us. Still waiting for queues to pop? At least you didn't use your time to prove me wrong. Just make childish insults.
All 2.6 million of us. Still waiting for queues to pop? At least you didn't use your time to prove me wrong. Just make childish insults.
No I've proved you wrong on every single post. When you have even crying for 5 years over a video game I'm guessing FACTS are hard to comprehend for you.
FYI crying about sub numbers is more of a WoW thing. You see there is only ONE of your "US" nobody but you is still crying over a launch that was almost 5 years ago.
Facts learn them...
Where? Show me where you proved me wrong, since you have so much time right now sitting in queue.
You guys for the most part are ignoring the obvious problem here. They spent many months developing this new game enhancement and released it, presumably when they were satisfied it did what they wanted it to do.
They then got a lot of press and community reaction ridiculing the OP companions.
Then they responded by making very large changes that are much more than minor tweaks and adjustments. There is no way to spin this into a positive considering the magnitude of the changes. It gives every indication of a lack of development leadership and vision.
Tweaks, minor buffs and nerfs are all par for the course after an expansion goes out to the wild. But this goes well beyond the typical adjustments.
We had a pole going on in official forums, over 8000 people were happy with companions only about 700 people said nerf them. It seems EAWare Austin decided to listen to these 10% instead of 90%.
Another update : Before 4.0 as level 60, the champion monoliths in Ziost were perfectly soloable with only elite comm gears. Now they are not soloable after companion nerf if we are playing dps or tank, it is soloable if companions are in tank stance and players is healing but takes a very long time, 5 minute fight before 4.0 now a near 20 min fight.
Ok first you are talking about the Swtor forums probably one of the worst forums in all of video games. Of course if a person puts a poll that has to do with the monthly QQ topic (there is always something the forum regulars are QQing about) it will get the most votes. Read the main thread it has 900 post 10 posters probably have at least 90% of the post! That's how the Swtor forums are that's why NOBODY who actually plays the games goes on them.
Second can you post a link to this "poll" that has 9000 votes? I can't find it on the "official forums".
1st point, it is not just swtor forums, try looking at WoW forums too, the reason of "negative" comments is that people normally don't impress upon positive because by nature we are skeptical about people who take money from us, we believe if we praise them they will continue to reduce quality but continue to charge more, look WoW, they are trying to sell yet another expansion for 50$ despite all the negativity.
2nd point, you can not find it because the thread was deleted by eaware austin. that poll had over 9000 votes but now the strawpoll has removed all the votes from duplicate set of ip like mine and only kept unique one. i will link the poll for you, check the results :
EDIT : ok i guess i did not read the later posts of yours and did not read someone already linked poll. But seems to me you don't really give shit about facts and data but only come here to troll. have fun trolling.
Lol facts? You claimed it had 9000 votes? I provided a FACT that there has never been a poll on the Swtor forums that had 9000 votes.
No I'm the one providing the FACTS you are the one trolling with your "9000 votes".
Edit: The "we" in your comment you are referring to the forum QQers. Just so you know your "we" are a small fraction of the actual players (<1%) of the games. Because of your "we" players stay away from the games official forums. It doesn't matter what game WoW, Swtor any game the "we" as you describe have destroyed video game forums...congrats
There isn't even 9000 people on most servers, if not all. You're right, you caught him. But what percent of the sides with him?
You can vote multiple times in strawpoll if you have dynamic ip provided by your isp, that is how votes got to 9000 but extra votes automatically gets fixed later by strawpoll check and that is how the current number is there. it clearly shows that even after proper voting numbers the majority voted against companion nerf. i explained it to my post but the troll, as it is in nature, decided to ignore and continue trolling.
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Wicoa said:
Nibs said:
BillMurphy said:
I have to try the nerfs out today, but I'm a little worried. I really loathed how much downtime the game had before. Stopping to meditate between every fight was boring and silly. I won't mind fights being a little more planned out, but I hope they still do enough healing to make downtime negligible.
You "loathed" the 30 second downtime between fights? Wow.
Yeh some people not just Bill like to feel active playing a game not stopping for 30s after every fight to enjoy a game after work. Perhaps you have more time on your hands than most but those that don't like to maximise our enjoyment when we relax, we don't have to pause a blu-ray after every clip to give the device downtime so we can start it again do we!
Yep, this. The downtime was forced, and in my opinion silly. Why on earth would I stop and meditate, 30 feet from a group of troopers? Other than the fact that I needed to because of the game's poor downtime design. Downtime, to me, is a silly mechanic that serves little real purpose other than stopping the fun of a game. In competitive games like DotA the downtime between dying and coming back to a fight makes sense. In an MMO, it's just out of place.
But, again, it's just my opinion.
but dont you have to expect some down time after a fight? other wise it mite not feel challenging...to an extent. If you could just fight, fight, fight , and never have to stop...what would be the point of medkits and healing abliities. DT has always been a part of mmos, the most I have experienced in SWTOR is around 15sec on average, and 30ish after a elite fight, standard imo.
Most of the people who says they are perfectly alright with nerfing are those :-
1. who don't play the game as extensively as some of us do,
2. who are nothing but fanboys; can't take any criticism against eaware austin and swtor
3. who literally play swtor day and night with "like minded" friends and always doing something in game in number of 4 or even 8...
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Best thing is that that same questionnaire shows they have NO CLUE how their game functions as the "intent" is impossible to achieve without basically reworking half of the game and combat system/classes.
Unfortunately, it shows way deeper problems with the game that current dev team is just incompetent to deal with. Begs the question is there barely anyone working on the game any more.
I played some after newest patch, got a good feel now for how the companion changes effect gameplay for me. Changes are OK with me. I am OK with the Dev's "vision for companions and combat" as stated by Eric Musco on his latest Dev post. I see what the Dev's want and what they are shooting for. I could play SWTOR as it is now...
HOWEVER.... I am not the only Player of SWTOR... I am not the only customer.
I respect the all other Players of SWTOR enough to listen to and acknowledge not only the Dev's "vision for Companions" but also the diverse Players "expectations for companions and combat" and to a Player Customer their expectations are just as Valid as the Devs vision.
Why?
Because if the expectations of a Customer group aren't met they may decide to forgo the product / service. The Devs no longer have their Customers and the Customers no longer have the product the seek.
According to what I have read from many of the Players angry posts is this: Bioware gave the Players a taste of how playing SWTOR feels and flows (how time is spent ingame) when the Player and Companion are tuned to be truly heroic as in the movie style heroic. This is arguably a different experience for a Player that the experience Bioware intends for Companions and Players according to Eric Musco's own Dev post...
Which group is Bioware going to cater to? The Dev's and their vision, Players that want a challenge and like 4.0.2, or Players who want their characters and companions to feel heroic and fast like their perception of the movie hero's of Star Wars?
I can live with a revert of patch 4.0.2 even though I enjoy a challenge... because I can turn off Companion's abilities and "fine tune" my gameplay experience without taking away a gameplay experience that I think is very Valid and should be respected.
SWTOR was made because of the movies and the movies and how customers remember how they felt as they watched them is always going to matter more in SWTOR than it would in other MMOs. Most new Players gained from Star Wars Ep. 7 will be seeking the heroic feel of Star Wars much more than getting nitpicky about gameplay challenge the way I and some other Players do (in my opinion).
To be blunt" Bioware's goals for Companions does not match Players expectations for Companions with at least the group so upset about the Companion changes in 4.0.2. That right there will kill the game for those Players. Not good for Quarterly profits OR for the MMO Community as a whole.
Revert the Patch is my recommendation. I can play with how Companions were before 4.0.2 by using the options available to me through selecting and deselecting companion abilities, telling them to go passive, or sending them out on crafting missions. Bioware does not need to alienate and frustrate an sizable portion of the playerbase just to make some players like me that enjoy challenge happier. (I was already doing this pre-4.0 and I will continue to do so... it is one of the few ways in SWTOR Players exercise ANY Choice at all and I will use to the fullest.)
So as a Player that enjoys challenge I see no rational or profitable reason for Bioware's current position on "Companion Goals" as stated by Eric Musco. In my opinion it's just Bioware pointing a Blaster at their foot and pulling the trigger. As an "Challenge Player" I can adapt easier than a "Want to feel Heroic" Player can, because that magic sweet spot where a MMO feels just right is hard to find for most Players, and Challenge Players make their own sweet spots.
Bioware found that sweet spot that so many Players were seeking in October with 4.0. It is a shame in my mind to give up what was gained. When Bioware looses customers We loose fellow Players to share the Star Wars virtual universe with, even in a MMO designed to be mostly a solo experience.
Please revert the Companion changes of 4.0.2.
Find it too easy? NO problem
1. DONT use heal companion
2. disable some of their skills
3. disable all of their skills
Still too easy?
DISMISS companion.
I never ever used heal companion since launch. They were ALWAYS a crutch. And i didnt give a f..k that others were.
Whats the option now? Beta test their game to try to achieve impossible goal.
Funny enough that even the old poll on companions even BEFORE datamined numbers dropped, when "majority" on the forums were whining about op companions showed SAME result.
Of course. that thread was deleted too. Links are still hovering on official forums.
Bioware has no clue what they are doing.
I'm beginning to think they only got lucky and blindly stumbled into success with their F2P conversion.
Thats from BEFORE datamine emerged.
New one
http://strawpoll.me/6044247/r
New account at that? heh
DENY EVERYTHING!
BW will "feel" this patch. And not in a good way.
These are not official forums, and i will remind you to look at title of the thread. I even gave a early tip to watch out for happenings on official forums and removal/relocation of massive number of threads is a FACT.
But as i said, its just amusement to me now.
BW, you have failed me for the last time *force choke*
And, since EA announced SWTORs subs were up 33% leading into KOTFE, well, well see.
2nd point, you can not find it because the thread was deleted by eaware austin. that poll had over 9000 votes but now the strawpoll has removed all the votes from duplicate set of ip like mine and only kept unique one. i will link the poll for you, check the results :
http://strawpoll.me/5841131
EDIT : ok i guess i did not read the later posts of yours and did not read someone already linked poll. But seems to me you don't really give shit about facts and data but only come here to troll. have fun trolling.
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There isn't even 9000 people on most servers, if not all. You're right, you caught him. But what percent of the sides with him?
You stay sassy!
The only person you are fooling are the ones who haven't played in the past 2 years. You better do a good job though, you're going to need to fool as many people as you can to make up for the loses.
""Hey folks,
First off, we want to thank all of you for your feedback about Companion balance following 4.0.2. As we go into the weekend, we wanted you to know that we have gone through this thread, the forums, Reddit, and social media to gather everyone’s perspectives. We have come out of this with quite a few action items that we are going to take, including buffs for Companions. On Monday, we are going to release a forum post highlighting our plans to address current Companion balance, along with the state of Heroic Missions and Star Fortress.
Thank you all once again for your feedback.
-eric"
Looks like at least somebody cared about losing a lot of subs.
Too late IMO. I can't go through this every time there's a patch. Or allow a small vocal minority to screw with my gameplay.
The shills encouraged everyone to leave instead of being intelligent enought to have foresight that less players in a dying game isn't a smart move. I'm glad somebody with AUTHORITY was smart enough to do the right thing.
However:
1. They are only buffing the companions. Not returning to pre-nerf levels.
2. When mods delete or hide threads, it's no different then telling that player, F YOU!
3. The white knight shills were always jerks to other players expressing their concerns.
4. No new Ops.
5. No more NiM.
6. No new WZ maps.
7. No new GSF maps.
8. No more gearing your companion.
9. The population was dropping again before the patch.
10. Bugs from launch are still around.
11. Lag.
12. You can only be level 65 in 1 open world zone.
13. No new content other than running Heroics on low level planets as a level sync 65.
14. The players in PuGs keep getting worse in group content.
15. Attributes have been taken away.
16. You are encouraged to leave the game.
Why hasn't any of this been addressed yet by EA? Most people who unsubbed over night didn't do it solely because of the companion nerf.
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