I agree. "Even if they bring something for subscribers that would be something lackluster, like some useless pet or recolored mount or a animal companion that can not craft or go on gathering missions" that seems like the current consensus of the swtor community. Nobody is expecting anything good from them. It is kinda sad.
I really think it is about time they bring a veteran reward system for subscriber that focus on providing more convenience when the subscription is inactive, for example : if subscribed for total 3 month; when subscription dropped there will be no UI restriction like quick bar and hide helmet, for total 6 month : mission reward restriction removed; fp loot limit removed; normal wz limit removed, at 9 month credit cap increased to 1 million etc, when subscription is active : players get access to exclusive companions with unique story and abilities; exclusive mounts that can not be found anywhere else; exclusive costumes that are not found anywhere else.
I highly doubt they're going to introduce a veteran system that would actually make it easier for you to remain unsubbed after sometime. It would be very counter productive, and it would likely hurt their subs from long term players more than it would encourage new people to sub.
If they do a veteran rewards program it'll likely be something cosmetic. Although getting a free server transfer token here and there would be nice as well, and maybe another level 60 token somewhere high up in the rewards tree (by that point you've gotten enough level capped characters the old fashioned way anyway, or bought 60's xD).
Still, as you said earlier, it'll likely be either the announcement of when we can expect Chapter X, or some kind of pet, or instant access to some companion that you otherwise don't get until very late in game, à la Nico.
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Maybe "We are closing the game,it's a terrible mmo and we know you play it cause it's the only star wars mmo right now and we feel sorry and don't want to torture you anymore."
Wait, Isn't SWTOR also the 2n'd most profitable MMO on the market? They might close down number 357, but not number 2. Or are you just trolling?
Regardless of whether you actually believe the site or not, the game's still going strong, so the haters aren't going to get their wish just yet.
Another hint at that would be that they actually invested into making that multi-million dollar CGI trailor for the latest expansion and for all of the voice acting that comes with the expansion content. Clearly the marks of a dying game, right?
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I agree. "Even if they bring something for subscribers that would be something lackluster, like some useless pet or recolored mount or a animal companion that can not craft or go on gathering missions" that seems like the current consensus of the swtor community. Nobody is expecting anything good from them. It is kinda sad.
I really think it is about time they bring a veteran reward system for subscriber that focus on providing more convenience when the subscription is inactive, for example : if subscribed for total 3 month; when subscription dropped there will be no UI restriction like quick bar and hide helmet, for total 6 month : mission reward restriction removed; fp loot limit removed; normal wz limit removed, at 9 month credit cap increased to 1 million etc, when subscription is active : players get access to exclusive companions with unique story and abilities; exclusive mounts that can not be found anywhere else; exclusive costumes that are not found anywhere else.
I highly doubt they're going to introduce a veteran system that would actually make it easier for you to remain unsubbed after sometime. It would be very counter productive, and it would likely hurt their subs from long term players more than it would encourage new people to sub.
If they do a veteran rewards program it'll likely be something cosmetic. Although getting a free server transfer token here and there would be nice as well, and maybe another level 60 token somewhere high up in the rewards tree (by that point you've gotten enough level capped characters the old fashioned way anyway, or bought 60's xD).
Still, as you said earlier, it'll likely be either the announcement of when we can expect Chapter X, or some kind of pet, or instant access to some companion that you otherwise don't get until very late in game, à la Nico.
Of course they won't make it easier for former sub, they are not Trion. But i was just saying that it would be good if they actually implement a vet system.
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Maybe "We are closing the game,it's a terrible mmo and we know you play it cause it's the only star wars mmo right now and we feel sorry and don't want to torture you anymore."
Wait, Isn't SWTOR also the 2n'd most profitable MMO on the market? They might close down number 357, but not number 2. Or are you just trolling?
Regardless of whether you actually believe the site or not, the game's still going strong, so the haters aren't going to get their wish just yet.
Another hint at that would be that they actually invested into making that multi-million dollar CGI trailor for the latest expansion and for all of the voice acting that comes with the expansion content. Clearly the marks of a dying game, right?
Going a bit offtopic but do you see that in the chart : wow east is making less money than swtor, wow east which consists of china main land, korea, taiwan and other eastern asian country. And people love to claim WoW is played by 5 million chinese and only 200K or so western players.
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I agree. "Even if they bring something for subscribers that would be something lackluster, like some useless pet or recolored mount or a animal companion that can not craft or go on gathering missions" that seems like the current consensus of the swtor community. Nobody is expecting anything good from them. It is kinda sad.
I really think it is about time they bring a veteran reward system for subscriber that focus on providing more convenience when the subscription is inactive, for example : if subscribed for total 3 month; when subscription dropped there will be no UI restriction like quick bar and hide helmet, for total 6 month : mission reward restriction removed; fp loot limit removed; normal wz limit removed, at 9 month credit cap increased to 1 million etc, when subscription is active : players get access to exclusive companions with unique story and abilities; exclusive mounts that can not be found anywhere else; exclusive costumes that are not found anywhere else.
I highly doubt they're going to introduce a veteran system that would actually make it easier for you to remain unsubbed after sometime. It would be very counter productive, and it would likely hurt their subs from long term players more than it would encourage new people to sub.
If they do a veteran rewards program it'll likely be something cosmetic. Although getting a free server transfer token here and there would be nice as well, and maybe another level 60 token somewhere high up in the rewards tree (by that point you've gotten enough level capped characters the old fashioned way anyway, or bought 60's xD).
Still, as you said earlier, it'll likely be either the announcement of when we can expect Chapter X, or some kind of pet, or instant access to some companion that you otherwise don't get until very late in game, à la Nico.
Of course they won't make it easier for former sub, they are not Trion. But i was just saying that it would be good if they actually implement a vet system.
Oh yeah, I would love it if the announcement was a veteran rewards system as well, but I'm just not holding my breath for it.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I agree. "Even if they bring something for subscribers that would be something lackluster, like some useless pet or recolored mount or a animal companion that can not craft or go on gathering missions" that seems like the current consensus of the swtor community. Nobody is expecting anything good from them. It is kinda sad.
I really think it is about time they bring a veteran reward system for subscriber that focus on providing more convenience when the subscription is inactive, for example : if subscribed for total 3 month; when subscription dropped there will be no UI restriction like quick bar and hide helmet, for total 6 month : mission reward restriction removed; fp loot limit removed; normal wz limit removed, at 9 month credit cap increased to 1 million etc, when subscription is active : players get access to exclusive companions with unique story and abilities; exclusive mounts that can not be found anywhere else; exclusive costumes that are not found anywhere else.
I highly doubt they're going to introduce a veteran system that would actually make it easier for you to remain unsubbed after sometime. It would be very counter productive, and it would likely hurt their subs from long term players more than it would encourage new people to sub.
If they do a veteran rewards program it'll likely be something cosmetic. Although getting a free server transfer token here and there would be nice as well, and maybe another level 60 token somewhere high up in the rewards tree (by that point you've gotten enough level capped characters the old fashioned way anyway, or bought 60's xD).
Still, as you said earlier, it'll likely be either the announcement of when we can expect Chapter X, or some kind of pet, or instant access to some companion that you otherwise don't get until very late in game, à la Nico.
Of course they won't make it easier for former sub, they are not Trion. But i was just saying that it would be good if they actually implement a vet system.
Oh yeah, I would love it if the announcement was a veteran rewards system as well, but I'm just not holding my breath for it.
Me neither. Just like other i am also suspecting they will just be giving something useless again. I suggested in their last subscriber reward survey that they should add a mercenary company of force sensitives in game only for subscribers. that company will have it's own story and we will be able to recruit some of their members, each will have their unique story and also be romance enabled. Don't think they will ever implement anything like it.
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Me neither. Just like other i am also suspecting they will just be giving something useless again. I suggested in their last subscriber reward survey that they should add a mercenary company of force sensitives in game only for subscribers. that company will have it's own story and we will be able to recruit some of their members, each will have their unique story and also be romance enabled. Don't think they will ever implement anything like it.
Something like that would be great, but I highly doubt it'll ever happen since it'd mean even more companions to give voices (pay VA's for!) whenever they release a new expansion. Unless they all basically become cosmetic companions when their storyline's finished. Much like I suspect the vast majority of KotFE's companions will end up, especially the ones you recruit through the Star Fortresses.
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Maybe "We are closing the game,it's a terrible mmo and we know you play it cause it's the only star wars mmo right now and we feel sorry and don't want to torture you anymore."
Wait, Isn't SWTOR also the 2n'd most profitable MMO on the market? They might close down number 357, but not number 2. Or are you just trolling?
Regardless of whether you actually believe the site or not, the game's still going strong, so the haters aren't going to get their wish just yet.
Another hint at that would be that they actually invested into making that multi-million dollar CGI trailor for the latest expansion and for all of the voice acting that comes with the expansion content. Clearly the marks of a dying game, right?
Additionally, with the new Star Wars movies coming out, they will make quite a bit of money with new players/returning players who will want to play a game in the Star Wars Universe.
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Tbh i think the new star wars movie will have very little impact on swtor unless EA/Bioware decide to spend cash on promoting swtor via cinema adds/trailers. I know when i went to see the lord of the rings movie it never entered my mind to check if there was a nice mmo based on that world.
Additionally the f2p restrictions doesn't make swtor easy to love for players that come from other f2p mmo's. It's a little easier if it's your first mmo i guess.
Tbh i think the new star wars movie will have very little impact on swtor unless EA/Bioware decide to spend cash on promoting swtor via cinema adds/trailers. I know when i went to see the lord of the rings movie it never entered my mind to check if there was a nice mmo based on that world.
Additionally the f2p restrictions doesn't make swtor easy to love for players that come from other f2p mmo's. It's a little easier if it's your first mmo i guess.
Thing is there are tons of lotr like fantasy settings and mmorpg based on them, people are quite accustomed to those games so when lotro came out it did not really make the buzz to the fans as it should have, almost all of those lotr fans were already playing wow and did not really bother with lotro.
SW is a whole different story, there is no other mmorpg in market with lightsaber and jedi, swtor is the only one and when the movie comes out and shakes the nostalgia real hard, fans will come pouring down on swtor and they will not even bother with f2p, they will just sub.
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SWTOR always hypes up announcements.. this isn't the first time.. my money says it's the next chapter of the KOTFE story. nothing more, maybe some more cash shop stuff (reskins of stuff that's already there) .. I have been a day 1 supporter, defender and sub.. even participated during betas but i'm losing my patience w new direction of game.
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Tbh i think the new star wars movie will have very little impact on swtor unless EA/Bioware decide to spend cash on promoting swtor via cinema adds/trailers. I know when i went to see the lord of the rings movie it never entered my mind to check if there was a nice mmo based on that world.
Additionally the f2p restrictions doesn't make swtor easy to love for players that come from other f2p mmo's. It's a little easier if it's your first mmo i guess.
Thing is there are tons of lotr like fantasy settings and mmorpg based on them, people are quite accustomed to those games so when lotro came out it did not really make the buzz to the fans as it should have, almost all of those lotr fans were already playing wow and did not really bother with lotro.
SW is a whole different story, there is no other mmorpg in market with lightsaber and jedi, swtor is the only one and when the movie comes out and shakes the nostalgia real hard, fans will come pouring down on swtor and they will not even bother with f2p, they will just sub.
Maybe, but i doubt it. I just dont think there's much of a link between movies and games. It's 2 different audiences. Do watching a movie realy makes you want to play a game in the same setting ? Personly i just dont think so.
When you came home from watching any of the lord of the rings movies did it make you hyped for a game in the same/similar setting or were you more like me, hyped for the sequel movie. it's just not the same media.
Maybe, but i doubt it. I just dont think there's much of a link between movies and games. It's 2 different audiences. Do watching a movie realy makes you want to play a game in the same setting ? Personly i just dont think so.
When you came home from watching any of the lord of the rings movies did it make you hyped for a game in the same/similar setting or were you more like me, hyped for the sequel movie. it's just not the same media.
I don't necessarily think so. I would agree that I don't think watching a movie is going to turn someone "on" to video games that are linked to the movie, but I bet that someone interested in video games would be jazzed to play something after seeing a movie.
The new star wars movie coming out enticed me to re-download Star Wars the Old Republic. Watching the last hobbit movie enticed me to download Lord of the Rings online again.
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Well, a new Star Wars movie is going to spawn new Star Wars fans. So when those people stumble upon some Youtube ad about trying a Star Wars MMO, they are far more likely to give it a try because it's now something they are familiar with instead of just another ad. And it might help draw back existing fans in the same way ("Oh yeah, that game! Hmm, maybe I should give it another try.")
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*furiously prays for a new warzone, gsf map and maybe an all-new operation/or flashpoint*
As a PVE player in this specific mmo. I don't care about pvp or gsf so much in SWTOR. But I agree that the pvp community (in both gsf and pvp) deserve some new content. New content shouldn't be exclusive to only pve. I think the pvp community has waited long enough.
*furiously prays for a new warzone, gsf map and maybe an all-new operation/or flashpoint*
As a PVE player in this specific mmo. I don't care about pvp or gsf so much in SWTOR. But I agree that the pvp community (in both gsf and pvp) deserve some new content. New content shouldn't be exclusive to only pve. I think the pvp community has waited long enough.
Even if they add 100 new unique maps in warzone and gsf they would not get players to play them. GSF is way too damn annoying with premade groups pawning random groups all the time, i used to play gsf regularly but being put against the same damn group again and again made me quit. And warzone, that is a whole different story, 5 match per week for f2p and preferred players make it certain that there are not enough players in pvp queue, no matter how much they hype up warzone with changes; number of players will not just increase over night.
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I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
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I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
In all honesty, if you're a sub and you're planning to go preferred status, you can easily prepare yourself for that by using your CC grant to get the unlocks, or to GTN the stuff while you still have the credits to do it (AKA no annoying credit cap). Most people just simply choose not to get them, and instead demand they should be given them for free.
And those who are actual veterans do have a bunch of things to show off, ranging from all kinds of pets and speeders, to stuff like the party Jawa and the Dr. Oggurub holo statue which newer players can never get. Unless we're talking "veteran" in the sense of "OMG! I played for a month at launch and got the CE! I should get all kinds of cool stuff now!" xD
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
im totally agree.... this game is dying because of this shit F2P model..... You have to pay for do everthing in game if you are F2P gamer....
I pay 70 $....play 7 days before others...... we have so many problems with the launch..... so many bugs.... and we are rewared with title and cristal?? guys buy 200$ on CE...... has an vip room....
I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
In all honesty, if you're a sub and you're planning to go preferred status, you can easily prepare yourself for that by using your CC grant to get the unlocks, or to GTN the stuff while you still have the credits to do it (AKA no annoying credit cap). Most people just simply choose not to get them, and instead demand they should be given them for free.
And those who are actual veterans do have a bunch of things to show off, ranging from all kinds of pets and speeders, to stuff like the party Jawa and the Dr. Oggurub holo statue which newer players can never get. Unless we're talking "veteran" in the sense of "OMG! I played for a month at launch and got the CE! I should get all kinds of cool stuff now!" xD
im not saying to give the veterans all content..... just discounts on subs, on CC...... some restrictions just this....
is like they just forgotten how help them to improve this piece of shit that SWTOR becomes....
I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
In all honesty, if you're a sub and you're planning to go preferred status, you can easily prepare yourself for that by using your CC grant to get the unlocks, or to GTN the stuff while you still have the credits to do it (AKA no annoying credit cap). Most people just simply choose not to get them, and instead demand they should be given them for free.
And those who are actual veterans do have a bunch of things to show off, ranging from all kinds of pets and speeders, to stuff like the party Jawa and the Dr. Oggurub holo statue which newer players can never get. Unless we're talking "veteran" in the sense of "OMG! I played for a month at launch and got the CE! I should get all kinds of cool stuff now!" xD
Do you know that there was a mmorpg by snail games that tried to monetize quick bar, quest reward/ dungeon reward, appearance option like a proper helmet or cape customization? and here on mmorpg.com they were reviewed very harshly? yet swtor doing the same shit but nobody says anything bad about them, why the double standard? Obviously nobody can say anything bad about Star Wars unless the bad stuff is directed towards George Lucas.
It is not about what i can unlock with 15K CC i have, or the jawa shit or hutt shit, it is about the fact that they are monetizing simple UI options like quick bar and helmet slot show/hide. Even cheapest eastern mmorpg these days come with 8-16 quick bar, hiding helmet or cape or shoulderpad have been a UI options as long as i can remember playing online games. How can anyone think it is perfectly alright to monetize these features? And despite all the shit reviewers and game sites talk about other games how can they totally ignore this shit?
And on top of that they are monetizing mission reward. Really? Bioware being one of the most renowned RPG maker is monetizing mission reward, how stupid is that? What is the core activity of RPG? Anyone who have been playing RPG ever since pen and paper would recognize, the core activity has always been completing objectives/missions and getting reward, being developer of award winning RPG Biwoare should know it better than anyone else. Yet they decide to monetize mission reward in swtor? How can they get away with it? How is that no game site criticize it? Because it is "Star Wars", which is perfectly clear to me, i have seen it many times, when it comes to Star Wars people just lose all sense and sanity.
And how about i put it this way : you have been buying from a shop for about a year, you buy a specific item from there and one day you go there and see that they have a new customer whom they are selling the item you buy for 5$ yet they are still taking a high price from you, would it feel perfectly alright to you? It is the same here. But of course you will not see it that way and you already have counter argument that will go along the 2 criteria i have already mentioned on my previous post.
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I think they should pay more attention to veterans, people who bought the CE, or made a pre-order.
Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
There were people who pre order the 200$ edition that came with satele and malgus figurine. And i have been saying that since the game went f2p, no one cares, eaware austin is like a binary droid, it is like their option is :
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them 2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
In all honesty, if you're a sub and you're planning to go preferred status, you can easily prepare yourself for that by using your CC grant to get the unlocks, or to GTN the stuff while you still have the credits to do it (AKA no annoying credit cap). Most people just simply choose not to get them, and instead demand they should be given them for free.
And those who are actual veterans do have a bunch of things to show off, ranging from all kinds of pets and speeders, to stuff like the party Jawa and the Dr. Oggurub holo statue which newer players can never get. Unless we're talking "veteran" in the sense of "OMG! I played for a month at launch and got the CE! I should get all kinds of cool stuff now!" xD
Do you know that there was a mmorpg by snail games that tried to monetize quick bar, quest reward/ dungeon reward, appearance option like a proper helmet or cape customization? and here on mmorpg.com they were reviewed very harshly? yet swtor doing the same shit but nobody says anything bad about them, why the double standard? Obviously nobody can say anything bad about Star Wars unless the bad stuff is directed towards George Lucas.
It is not about what i can unlock with 15K CC i have, or the jawa shit or hutt shit, it is about the fact that they are monetizing simple UI options like quick bar and helmet slot show/hide. Even cheapest eastern mmorpg these days come with 8-16 quick bar, hiding helmet or cape or shoulderpad have been a UI options as long as i can remember playing online games. How can anyone think it is perfectly alright to monetize these features? And despite all the shit reviewers and game sites talk about other games how can they totally ignore this shit?
And on top of that they are monetizing mission reward. Really? Bioware being one of the most renowned RPG maker is monetizing mission reward, how stupid is that? What is the core activity of RPG? Anyone who have been playing RPG ever since pen and paper would recognize, the core activity has always been completing objectives/missions and getting reward, being developer of award winning RPG Biwoare should know it better than anyone else. Yet they decide to monetize mission reward in swtor? How can they get away with it? How is that no game site criticize it? Because it is "Star Wars", which is perfectly clear to me, i have seen it many times, when it comes to Star Wars people just lose all sense and sanity.
And how about i put it this way : you have been buying from a shop for about a year, you buy a specific item from there and one day you go there and see that they have a new customer whom they are selling the item you buy for 5$ yet they are still taking a high price from you, would it feel perfectly alright to you? It is the same here. But of course you will not see it that way and you already have counter argument that will go along the 2 criteria i have already mentioned on my previous post.
I'm a bit confused by the store analogy... are you saying you've "bought" all those things for fifteen bucks (a month) while someone else is getting them cheaper? In which case, you haven't. That 15$ is basically the "all in" deal, similar to how DDO used to give you access to all adventure packs and classes while you were on premium, rather than you having to unlock them permanently. The obvious downside to that kind of thing is that you're basically renting the stuff, and once your sub lapses... well, you clearly know that part already.
And yes, SWTOR does have a crappy F2P system in many ways. I originally thought they were committing complete suicide rather than saving the game after I saw what they'd come up with as their version of F2P. But it clearly works for them, they've managed to turn things around, and to be honest - I simply don't care much about the F2P since I never use it. I've always believed in supporting the games I play. I've seen MMOs with far better F2P models fall on their face and get shut down, no doubt to a large degree because the average MMO player these days is a little vulture that would just play the hell out of those games without ever giving anything back as long as they could get away with it. So I get why some MMOs practically strong arm you into subscribing or at least shelling out money for unlocks.
It probably also helps that I started playing MMOs when they were all still sub only. So basically back then you either paid, or you didn't touch the game at all. No sense of entitlement that you should get the complete experience for free because you subbed for x months. Which is why I always find it so entertaining when someone spouts something along the lines of "This MMO sucks! They actually still expect me to play to get all of the perks! The old days were so much better!" Either they were never around for those to begin with, or they found themselves some pretty damn rose shaded glasses. xD There's literally nothing stopping you from treating today's games as the old MMOs. Stopped subbing and can't stand the restrictions? Play something else.
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@Torval@Azaron_Nightblade ; just like thousands before you guys, you completely avoid the actual issue here. Well whatever, if it pleases you to be ignorant of the issue then that is your choice.
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If they do a veteran rewards program it'll likely be something cosmetic. Although getting a free server transfer token here and there would be nice as well, and maybe another level 60 token somewhere high up in the rewards tree (by that point you've gotten enough level capped characters the old fashioned way anyway, or bought 60's xD).
Still, as you said earlier, it'll likely be either the announcement of when we can expect Chapter X, or some kind of pet, or instant access to some companion that you otherwise don't get until very late in game, à la Nico.
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According to SuperData it's number three. https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/
Regardless of whether you actually believe the site or not, the game's still going strong, so the haters aren't going to get their wish just yet.
Another hint at that would be that they actually invested into making that multi-million dollar CGI trailor for the latest expansion and for all of the voice acting that comes with the expansion content. Clearly the marks of a dying game, right?
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Additionally the f2p restrictions doesn't make swtor easy to love for players that come from other f2p mmo's. It's a little easier if it's your first mmo i guess.
SW is a whole different story, there is no other mmorpg in market with lightsaber and jedi, swtor is the only one and when the movie comes out and shakes the nostalgia real hard, fans will come pouring down on swtor and they will not even bother with f2p, they will just sub.
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Tbh i think the new star wars movie will have very little impact on swtor unless EA/Bioware decide to spend cash on promoting swtor via cinema adds/trailers. I know when i went to see the lord of the rings movie it never entered my mind to check if there was a nice mmo based on that world.
Additionally the f2p restrictions doesn't make swtor easy to love for players that come from other f2p mmo's. It's a little easier if it's your first mmo i guess.
Thing is there are tons of lotr like fantasy settings and mmorpg based on them, people are quite accustomed to those games so when lotro came out it did not really make the buzz to the fans as it should have, almost all of those lotr fans were already playing wow and did not really bother with lotro.
SW is a whole different story, there is no other mmorpg in market with lightsaber and jedi, swtor is the only one and when the movie comes out and shakes the nostalgia real hard, fans will come pouring down on swtor and they will not even bother with f2p, they will just sub.
Maybe, but i doubt it. I just dont think there's much of a link between movies and games. It's 2 different audiences. Do watching a movie realy makes you want to play a game in the same setting ? Personly i just dont think so.
When you came home from watching any of the lord of the rings movies did it make you hyped for a game in the same/similar setting or were you more like me, hyped for the sequel movie. it's just not the same media.
The new star wars movie coming out enticed me to re-download Star Wars the Old Republic. Watching the last hobbit movie enticed me to download Lord of the Rings online again.
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Not only give some in-game items or title of "The Founder"
I felt hurt by what I paid $ 70, and a person who buys in the market cartel with a few dollars has the same benefits as me.
People who spent money on a high CE.
just think for us veterans should have some regalia, because we help the game grow since the time of the launch when the game was just sub.
1. player is a subscriber , break all hell lose for them
2. player is not subscriber, shove a feast up their ass and tell them unless they subscribe we won't take out the fist.
And just like any other game they also have fanbois and since it is Star Wars they got themselves moronic fanbois too, these people also think along that binary argument and support this shit and thus they get away with treating former subscribers or former big money spenders like crap, along with monetizing quick bar, hide helmet and mission reward.
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And those who are actual veterans do have a bunch of things to show off, ranging from all kinds of pets and speeders, to stuff like the party Jawa and the Dr. Oggurub holo statue which newer players can never get.
Unless we're talking "veteran" in the sense of "OMG! I played for a month at launch and got the CE! I should get all kinds of cool stuff now!" xD
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this game is dying because of this shit F2P model.....
You have to pay for do everthing in game if you are F2P gamer....
I pay 70 $....play 7 days before others......
we have so many problems with the launch.....
so many bugs....
and we are rewared with title and cristal??
guys buy 200$ on CE......
has an vip room....
this is shit unlogic
just discounts on subs, on CC......
some restrictions just this....
is like they just forgotten how help them to improve this piece of shit that SWTOR becomes....
It is not about what i can unlock with 15K CC i have, or the jawa shit or hutt shit, it is about the fact that they are monetizing simple UI options like quick bar and helmet slot show/hide. Even cheapest eastern mmorpg these days come with 8-16 quick bar, hiding helmet or cape or shoulderpad have been a UI options as long as i can remember playing online games. How can anyone think it is perfectly alright to monetize these features? And despite all the shit reviewers and game sites talk about other games how can they totally ignore this shit?
And on top of that they are monetizing mission reward. Really? Bioware being one of the most renowned RPG maker is monetizing mission reward, how stupid is that? What is the core activity of RPG? Anyone who have been playing RPG ever since pen and paper would recognize, the core activity has always been completing objectives/missions and getting reward, being developer of award winning RPG Biwoare should know it better than anyone else. Yet they decide to monetize mission reward in swtor? How can they get away with it? How is that no game site criticize it? Because it is "Star Wars", which is perfectly clear to me, i have seen it many times, when it comes to Star Wars people just lose all sense and sanity.
And how about i put it this way : you have been buying from a shop for about a year, you buy a specific item from there and one day you go there and see that they have a new customer whom they are selling the item you buy for 5$ yet they are still taking a high price from you, would it feel perfectly alright to you? It is the same here. But of course you will not see it that way and you already have counter argument that will go along the 2 criteria i have already mentioned on my previous post.
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And yes, SWTOR does have a crappy F2P system in many ways. I originally thought they were committing complete suicide rather than saving the game after I saw what they'd come up with as their version of F2P.
But it clearly works for them, they've managed to turn things around, and to be honest - I simply don't care much about the F2P since I never use it. I've always believed in supporting the games I play. I've seen MMOs with far better F2P models fall on their face and get shut down, no doubt to a large degree because the average MMO player these days is a little vulture that would just play the hell out of those games without ever giving anything back as long as they could get away with it. So I get why some MMOs practically strong arm you into subscribing or at least shelling out money for unlocks.
It probably also helps that I started playing MMOs when they were all still sub only. So basically back then you either paid, or you didn't touch the game at all. No sense of entitlement that you should get the complete experience for free because you subbed for x months. Which is why I always find it so entertaining when someone spouts something along the lines of "This MMO sucks! They actually still expect me to play to get all of the perks! The old days were so much better!" Either they were never around for those to begin with, or they found themselves some pretty damn rose shaded glasses. xD There's literally nothing stopping you from treating today's games as the old MMOs. Stopped subbing and can't stand the restrictions? Play something else.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
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