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I went back and did some research of the new information and AMA from yesterday. They say they needed to make a decision. Either release the model with on the shelf materials (like the Development Kits) or have their materials custom built to factor in the best possible user experience. They say that justifies the price and is why it's so much more expensive than DK2. Apparently it is technically a far superior product from the DK2. The thing is they won't release those specs to the public yet. They cite that it would be unfair to the manufacturers they are working with. I'm not sure why it would be unfair to them, but that's their explanation.
Already sold a bucket load and new technology always starts expensive. Did you buy the first ever Ipad, walkman
Why are you even getting upvotes, what you say isn't even true.
iPad was $499 on launch in 2010. The iPad Air 2 is $499 in 2015.
The first Sony wakman was $150 in 1997. The Sony S series walkman is $150 in 2015.
The price didn't go down at all.
It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available and less cutting edge. I can remember the first VCRs being for sale for well in excess of £1000. Eventually, you could pick them up for pocket money. This will get cheaper and be more readily adopted by the masses, or it'll go the way of Google Glass.
name me a consumer technology that failed multiple times but is now successful
Honestly I did have a hard time thinking about this one, so it's a good point!
Since I'm old (38), I can remember in the 80's when "rich" people had car phones. Phones that were hard-wired into the car itself. The handset was mounted in the center console usually, with a separate antenna on top of the car. Limos had them as well. The vast majority of people did not have them in their cars because not only were they very expensive for the units, but the cost just to use them was outrageous. They were out there, but definitely not mainstream - extremely niche.
Fast forward to the 90's and we get "cell" phones. Handheld units that were small enough to carry around on your person, with battery power, and a retractable antenna. Costs came down as technology advanced, but the costs were still not there yet for most people.
Then after the turn of the millennium, after seeing the benefits, companies began investing into the phones. Remember Nextel? With the whole push-to-talk feature? Massive amounts of companies purchased into that stuff. The cell phone market was exponentially increasing. Fast.
Lastly we come to the 2010's and "smart" phones. Now, everyone seems to have one. And it's one of their most prized possessions.
Back in the 80's, I'd call those car phones "failed tech". Very similar to the VR devices during the 90's. But due to the advancements in technology, the car phone tech eventually caught on, and it's obvious where that led. Well, we are now at the stage when the VR tech has advanced enough to offer a true visual and audio experience as opposed to the 90's VR when it was horrible (I've used both, 90's and current.)
Someone argued that smart phone success is because there are so many uses for smart phones. But look at where it started. The car phone did ONE thing. Allowed you to talk to one person. Guess what, a TV does one thing, it displays a picture. It's in the application of the tech where we find different uses. These new VR sets can do everything your TV/monitor can do...but with the capability of so much more.
That's $599 for one person. Forget the price when you start thinking of families that game.
Why would any home need more the 1 TV!!!!!
Really? My whole family can gather around 1 TV. Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to play VR, its one at a time and fights or you need to by more then one headset.
1 TV = 1 TV channel.
Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to watch different channels, it's 1 at a time or you need to buy more then 1 TV.....
My point was lost though. People get angry when confronted with new stuff and take the attitude that "I just can't fathom it so it must be wrong/false/not work" (see Bill O'reilly from Fox news for great examples of this sort of stuff).
When TV's came out no one could imagine needing more them 1 TV let alone the first....radio was just fine.
Cars....bah I have my horse to get around, they are just a fad.
Flying is impossible. If man were meant to fly he would have wings...
So yes, people could never see the need for more then 1 TV back when it came out....but it still came out and now look at it!. You can even have TV on your phone
... This will get cheaper and be more readily adopted by the masses, or it'll go the way of Google Glass.
AR is definitely going to be a "must-have" tech in the future, it has far wider application than VR headsets, even though it doesn't replace them. AR devices will in all likelihood replace smartphones and tablets a few decades from now.
Google Glass will be back in one form or another in the not-so-distant future. It leads the pack in the AR sphere, and Google have just filed patents for the second iteration of the device.
Already sold a bucket load and new technology always starts expensive. Did you buy the first ever Ipad, walkman
Why are you even getting upvotes, what you say isn't even true.
iPad was $499 on launch in 2010. The iPad Air 2 is $499 in 2015.
The first Sony wakman was $150 in 1997. The Sony S series walkman is $150 in 2015.
The price didn't go down at all.
First VCR I bought was in 1985 a JVC top loader with a plug in remote it was 799. Now VCRs dont even exist (except on Hoarders TV show). But within a couple years they were under 300 bucks and when they started to be obsolete they were 30 bucks.
How muchh were SSD a couple years ago? What are they now? I know I paid over a grand for mine and now you can get a comparable one for 500 or less. Small ones are under a hundred bucks.
Virtual reality has been a buzz word for a long time, this is true. We all have our own notions of what it would or should be like to be in a virtual environment based on our preconceptions.
However, the one thing that current gaming can not and will never do is develop in the gamer a sense of presence. A sense that you are actually in the game you are playing. Virtual reality could be the bridge that finally does develop this sense of presence.
Will this headset significantly develop a sense of presence in the gamer? I don't think so, but when one finally does, I believe even the naysayers will want to convert, and hopefully by then price will be less of an issue.
It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available
Consoles used to cost $199 in the 90s. Now they cost $400.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
Noooooo, I think that you're missing the point. The cost of the SAME technology. Like a DVD player. Computers, Graphics Cards, etc. are all constantly evolving technologies. However, if you could find one out there today, I'll bet you could buy a crate of them for $10.
This is, actually, a real thing. Early technology is expensive, think Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Players used to be $300, $400, $500 or more just for the player. It's all about getting back that research cost before someone starts knocking off your product, making them cheaper, selling them cheaper.
It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available
Consoles used to cost $199 in the 90s. Now they cost $400.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
Noooooo, I think that you're missing the point. The cost of the SAME technology. Like a DVD player. Computers, Graphics Cards, etc. are all constantly evolving technologies. However, if you could find one out there today, I'll bet you could buy a crate of them for $10.
This is, actually, a real thing. Early technology is expensive, think Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Players used to be $300, $400, $500 or more just for the player. It's all about getting back that research cost before someone starts knocking off your product, making them cheaper, selling them cheaper.
Kiyoris you again missed the point which CrazKanuk has perfectly stated...Sorry English humour is sometimes lost in other parts of the world it seems so I will try not to explain in a joke next time.
It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available
Consoles used to cost $199 in the 90s. Now they cost $400.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
(Quote from Google search) "That honor goes to the Atari 2600. Launched in September of 1977, the Atari 2600 cost $199.99. When taking into account the 258.9 percent inflation rate between 1977 and 2013, the Atari 2600 cost the equivalent of $771 today."
Costs of tech does come down. I can walk into a dollar store today and buy a walkmen for a few bucks. GPU used to have one CPU, now they have more cores. People make more money today then they did in 1990. The price for VR will come down.
Still cheaper than a proper TV and in the same range as a quality monitor. What's the problem?
What exactly is a proper TV lmao? Mine was 300 and works rather well I'd call it "proper"..
No kidding. I can pick up a 60" Vizio for $500. Heck of a monitor for $300 - $400.
I bet someone is going to chime in soon that for people with " real jobs " its only a half weeks work.
WHich to them I'd say I prefer to spend that kind of money on musical equipment, not on a TV I use to play games and watch one or two TV shows a year .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Still cheaper than a proper TV and in the same range as a quality monitor. What's the problem?
What exactly is a proper TV lmao? Mine was 300 and works rather well I'd call it "proper"..
No kidding. I can pick up a 60" Vizio for $500. Heck of a monitor for $300 - $400.
I bet someone is going to chime in soon that for people with " real jobs " its only a half weeks work.
I wish I knew where you found a proper 60" Vizio TV for $500. I would buy all of them this instant. I paid over $1,000 for a 60" Vizio true 120hz TV not too long ago.
Sure you can get the 60hz or "Effective 120hz" Vizio TVs for cheaper, but I wouldn't call those a "proper TV"...I would call them entry level TVs for people who have no desire to have an outstanding experience.
If you want a TV that makes people go "WOW THAT LOOKS AMAZING" you aren't finding one of those for 500. Same with this VR tech. If you want the amazing quality then bust out the wallet. If you can settle for a less than best quality experience then go grab someones used DK2.
It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available
Consoles used to cost $199 in the 90s. Now they cost $400.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
(Quote from Google search) "That honor goes to the Atari 2600. Launched in September of 1977, the Atari 2600 cost $199.99. When taking into account the 258.9 percent inflation rate between 1977 and 2013, the Atari 2600 cost the equivalent of $771 today."
Costs of tech does come down. I can walk into a dollar store today and buy a walkmen for a few bucks. GPU used to have one CPU, now they have more cores. People make more money today then they did in 1990. The price for VR will come down.
Inflation based on consumer pricing only makes sense when the average person is actually wealthier than in the past. The average american is broke.
Literally the ONLY thing that will save VR is porn. If anyone thinks otherwise they have their heads seated very deeply in their rear ends.
I like the way you think!
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It's a well-known fact that the price of technology drops as it becomes more readily available
Consoles used to cost $199 in the 90s. Now they cost $400.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
(Quote from Google search) "That honor goes to the Atari 2600. Launched in September of 1977, the Atari 2600 cost $199.99. When taking into account the 258.9 percent inflation rate between 1977 and 2013, the Atari 2600 cost the equivalent of $771 today."
Costs of tech does come down. I can walk into a dollar store today and buy a walkmen for a few bucks. GPU used to have one CPU, now they have more cores. People make more money today then they did in 1990. The price for VR will come down.
Inflation based on consumer pricing only makes sense when the average person is actually wealthier than in the past. The average american is broke.
lol, you do know minimum wages have gone up? A cup of coffee may not be 5 cents any more but every average america can buy a cup, even a hobo? lol you killing me.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Honestly I did have a hard time thinking about this one, so it's a good point!
Since I'm old (38), I can remember in the 80's when "rich" people had car phones. Phones that were hard-wired into the car itself. The handset was mounted in the center console usually, with a separate antenna on top of the car. Limos had them as well. The vast majority of people did not have them in their cars because not only were they very expensive for the units, but the cost just to use them was outrageous. They were out there, but definitely not mainstream - extremely niche.
Fast forward to the 90's and we get "cell" phones. Handheld units that were small enough to carry around on your person, with battery power, and a retractable antenna. Costs came down as technology advanced, but the costs were still not there yet for most people.
Then after the turn of the millennium, after seeing the benefits, companies began investing into the phones. Remember Nextel? With the whole push-to-talk feature? Massive amounts of companies purchased into that stuff. The cell phone market was exponentially increasing. Fast.
Lastly we come to the 2010's and "smart" phones. Now, everyone seems to have one. And it's one of their most prized possessions.
Back in the 80's, I'd call those car phones "failed tech". Very similar to the VR devices during the 90's. But due to the advancements in technology, the car phone tech eventually caught on, and it's obvious where that led. Well, we are now at the stage when the VR tech has advanced enough to offer a true visual and audio experience as opposed to the 90's VR when it was horrible (I've used both, 90's and current.)
Someone argued that smart phone success is because there are so many uses for smart phones. But look at where it started. The car phone did ONE thing. Allowed you to talk to one person. Guess what, a TV does one thing, it displays a picture. It's in the application of the tech where we find different uses. These new VR sets can do everything your TV/monitor can do...but with the capability of so much more.
Google Glass will be back in one form or another in the not-so-distant future. It leads the pack in the AR sphere, and Google have just filed patents for the second iteration of the device.
How muchh were SSD a couple years ago? What are they now? I know I paid over a grand for mine and now you can get a comparable one for 500 or less. Small ones are under a hundred bucks.
However, the one thing that current gaming can not and will never do is develop in the gamer a sense of presence. A sense that you are actually in the game you are playing. Virtual reality could be the bridge that finally does develop this sense of presence.
Will this headset significantly develop a sense of presence in the gamer? I don't think so, but when one finally does, I believe even the naysayers will want to convert, and hopefully by then price will be less of an issue.
Top of the line Voodoo 2 GPU cost $199 on launch. Now top of the line GPU are $600+.
I bet someone is going to chime in soon that for people with " real jobs " its only a half weeks work.
40 years ago when I was 5 I could but 10 penny sweets for 10p.
Now you would be lucky to buy 10 sweets for 50p!
Fuck inflation and all that economic bullshit!
I mean come on, at least technology improves for the extra cost, sweets are just the same recipe, just more expensive!
They don't, the average american is poorer than 20 years ago.
The average american is broke.
Noooooo, I think that you're missing the point. The cost of the SAME technology. Like a DVD player. Computers, Graphics Cards, etc. are all constantly evolving technologies. However, if you could find one out there today, I'll bet you could buy a crate of them for $10.
This is, actually, a real thing. Early technology is expensive, think Blu-ray or HD-DVD. Players used to be $300, $400, $500 or more just for the player. It's all about getting back that research cost before someone starts knocking off your product, making them cheaper, selling them cheaper.
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Costs of tech does come down. I can walk into a dollar store today and buy a walkmen for a few bucks. GPU used to have one CPU, now they have more cores. People make more money today then they did in 1990. The price for VR will come down.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Sure you can get the 60hz or "Effective 120hz" Vizio TVs for cheaper, but I wouldn't call those a "proper TV"...I would call them entry level TVs for people who have no desire to have an outstanding experience.
If you want a TV that makes people go "WOW THAT LOOKS AMAZING" you aren't finding one of those for 500. Same with this VR tech. If you want the amazing quality then bust out the wallet. If you can settle for a less than best quality experience then go grab someones used DK2.
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Does the porn industry adopt the technology into their market... If they do, then it will be substainable. If not, it will be niche.
in Europe the unemployment rate is above 10%
Edit: Nah, scratch that I can't bring any to mind, huehue.
Meh, I'll wait for augmented reality porn thank you, lol.
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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