Well, it's going to be a VERY interesting year as the VR batlle-lines are drawn, lol
Vive is arguably the smallest kid on the block. Oculus is backed by Facebook's massive wallet and advertising machine, whereas Sony have a captive market in the PS4 players.
The fact that Vive haven't announced a price yet probably means they're watching Oculus's opening moves very closely, as well as watching public reaction like a hawk. How long will they hold back on that price announcement ?
Probably until they know how much Sony is going to sell theirs for, Rift is now a known quantity so the only reason to hold back, is because of the Sony VR. I think everyone pretty much is waiting to see what price Sony puts theirs out at, as it could change everything.
Perhaps they are waiting for Sony, but they've set an obvious limit on how long they're prepared to wait, by announcing a set date for their pre-orders. So if Sony don't commit, Vive will have to make a best guess at pricing.
Pity Apple doesn't have a dog in this fight, we can always rely on them to set the maximum possible price, lol
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They only "sold out" of the march orders which for all we know was a couple thousand.
wait what? I am been looking forward to getting a number. where did you get that info? could you please link it I am not saying that to be a ___ it just sounds like you heard something specific, please share
Like i said "for all we know" is nothing definitive. The only thing that was definitive was that the only thing that sold out was march orders which is still odd to me they are selling in waves like this.
They also did give away what was around 6,000 iirc to backers who would be getting first wave. That alone could have been a large chunk. I think if they sold hundreds of thousands they would have been bragging about the numbers right away
my bad I read it as 'as we know'
anyway..I think its EXTREEMLY unlikely given the past sell outs they have had that they set to upper limit of their release date supply to anything less than 50,000 to be frank. 175,000 DK kits were sold. So clearly they know there is plenty of demand and no reason to do any marketing tricks.
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Well, it's going to be a VERY interesting year as the VR batlle-lines are drawn, lol
Vive is arguably the smallest kid on the block. Oculus is backed by Facebook's massive wallet and advertising machine, whereas Sony have a captive market in the PS4 players.
The fact that Vive haven't announced a price yet probably means they're watching Oculus's opening moves very closely, as well as watching public reaction like a hawk. How long will they hold back on that price announcement ?
Probably until they know how much Sony is going to sell theirs for, Rift is now a known quantity so the only reason to hold back, is because of the Sony VR. I think everyone pretty much is waiting to see what price Sony puts theirs out at, as it could change everything.
Perhaps they are waiting for Sony, but they've set an obvious limit on how long they're prepared to wait, by announcing a set date for their pre-orders. So if Sony don't commit, Vive will have to make a best guess at pricing.
Pity Apple doesn't have a dog in this fight, we can always rely on them to set the maximum possible price, lol
ok let me help you out there.
Vive = very high end VR similar to the more expensive speakers you see in a high quality audio shop Oculus = high end audio but more around a target of something for everyone Sony = brand name with low quality (as we know now)
Sorry guys but 1/3 the resolution and 1/3 the frame rate is just a reality and although this generation of Consoles are NOT really better optomized even if they were there is a hard limit of 720p we know of as fact because the games cant go beyond that currently on a PS4.
So until we know what this device is that will attach to the headset its all SUPER speculative on Sony. That said, I very seriously doubt the most high end of VR solutions is waiting to see what the box that does 720p is going to do first...
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Well, it's going to be a VERY interesting year as the VR batlle-lines are drawn, lol
Vive is arguably the smallest kid on the block. Oculus is backed by Facebook's massive wallet and advertising machine, whereas Sony have a captive market in the PS4 players.
The fact that Vive haven't announced a price yet probably means they're watching Oculus's opening moves very closely, as well as watching public reaction like a hawk. How long will they hold back on that price announcement ?
Probably until they know how much Sony is going to sell theirs for, Rift is now a known quantity so the only reason to hold back, is because of the Sony VR. I think everyone pretty much is waiting to see what price Sony puts theirs out at, as it could change everything.
Perhaps they are waiting for Sony, but they've set an obvious limit on how long they're prepared to wait, by announcing a set date for their pre-orders. So if Sony don't commit, Vive will have to make a best guess at pricing.
Pity Apple doesn't have a dog in this fight, we can always rely on them to set the maximum possible price, lol
ok let me help you out there.
Vive = very high end VR similar to the more expensive speakers you see in a high quality audio shop Oculus = high end audio but more around a target of something for everyone Sony = brand name with low quality (as we know now)
Sorry guys but 1/3 the resolution and 1/3 the frame rate is just a reality and although this generation of Consoles are NOT really better optomized even if they were there is a hard limit of 720p we know of as fact because the games cant go beyond that currently on a PS4.
So until we know what this device is that will attach to the headset its all SUPER speculative on Sony. That said, I very seriously doubt the most high end of VR solutions is waiting to see what the box that does 720p is going to do first...
You really haven't read any of the posts @Torval left for you mentioning the Sony VR specs (specifically, the RGB subpixels and 120hz refresh rate)?
And what games are you speaking of, specifically? Because there are a whole host of games for the PS4 the output in 1080p....
Well, it's going to be a VERY interesting year as the VR batlle-lines are drawn, lol
Vive is arguably the smallest kid on the block. Oculus is backed by Facebook's massive wallet and advertising machine, whereas Sony have a captive market in the PS4 players.
The fact that Vive haven't announced a price yet probably means they're watching Oculus's opening moves very closely, as well as watching public reaction like a hawk. How long will they hold back on that price announcement ?
Probably until they know how much Sony is going to sell theirs for, Rift is now a known quantity so the only reason to hold back, is because of the Sony VR. I think everyone pretty much is waiting to see what price Sony puts theirs out at, as it could change everything.
Perhaps they are waiting for Sony, but they've set an obvious limit on how long they're prepared to wait, by announcing a set date for their pre-orders. So if Sony don't commit, Vive will have to make a best guess at pricing.
Pity Apple doesn't have a dog in this fight, we can always rely on them to set the maximum possible price, lol
ok let me help you out there.
Vive = very high end VR similar to the more expensive speakers you see in a high quality audio shop Oculus = high end audio but more around a target of something for everyone Sony = brand name with low quality (as we know now)
Sorry guys but 1/3 the resolution and 1/3 the frame rate is just a reality and although this generation of Consoles are NOT really better optomized even if they were there is a hard limit of 720p we know of as fact because the games cant go beyond that currently on a PS4.
So until we know what this device is that will attach to the headset its all SUPER speculative on Sony. That said, I very seriously doubt the most high end of VR solutions is waiting to see what the box that does 720p is going to do first...
You really haven't read any of the posts @Torval left for you mentioning the Sony VR specs (specifically, the RGB subpixels and 120hz refresh rate)?
And what games are you speaking of, specifically? Because there are a whole host of games for the PS4 the output in 1080p....
ok there are two version of Sony VR
1. the one we have thought it was for a year which is one that his hooked up directly to the PS4 2. the one that comes with extra hardware that basically just turns the play station itsself into nothing more than a disk drive to run the game. This one will likely cost around the price of the Vive which is hinted at $1500
I wish we could decide for now and ever more which one of those 2 we all agree to talk about because I am not about to talk about a high end Sony VR and then argue about $300 price points at the same time, its getting really frustrating
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yupp that is what high end components will run you. Do you see where the OR guy was comming from when he said it was fairly cheap.
Sony for an example will have to either cheap out on parts like crazy or take a massive loss on each unit sold.
and the logic trap for many critics on that is this.
if they have to take a 75% loss ($1000(hardware)+$300(headset)) price to consumer at $325 is a 75% loss.
Then what that means is that Sony's confidence in the VR as a technology is EXTREEMLY high.
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and yes...DK versions DO matter, as well as GearVR
DK versions have absolutely 0 to do with pre-orders. While you're barking out that everyone else is wrong, I would like to point out that you are in fact - wrong. The dev kits actually sold 85k+ http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/15/5616476/oculus-rift-development-kit-sales-top-85k-units. Also, MANY games on the PS4 output 1080p, you also state we all know they only do 720? Come on MAN!
Yeah not denying that. We see the same in OR. They put the priority in having a great product over a competitive price.
Just saying that the SONY VR it might end up the least powerful of the three thanks to them most likely having to get it down to around 200$ as a stand alone product (they will put out a bundle that in essence will give you a free PS4 but charge closer to the OR for the headset and some games)
Yeah not denying that. We see the same in OR. They put the priority in having a great product over a competitive price.
Just saying that the SONY VR it might end up the least powerful of the three thanks to them most likely having to get it down to around 200$ as a stand alone product (they will put out a bundle that in essence will give you a free PS4 but charge closer to the OR for the headset and some games)
I predict this.
They will have a version that works about as good as the Oculus but it will cost more than the Oculus and it will not sell well.
I really do not see hardcore console fans as the 'early adopters' of gaming technoloyg
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1. the one we have thought it was for a year which is one that his hooked up directly to the PS4 2. the one that comes with extra hardware that basically just turns the play station itsself into nothing more than a disk drive to run the game. This one will likely cost around the price of the Vive which is hinted at $1500
I wish we could decide for now and ever more which one of those 2 we all agree to talk about because I am not about to talk about a high end Sony VR and then argue about $300 price points at the same time, its getting really frustrating
No, there's only one version: the one that Sony has said will cost about the same as a new console (stated in an interview in September 2015) with no evidence whatsoever to be found anywhere of what kind of subsidy Sony will provide on it.
Your information is just your guesses. And, unless you wish to call Sony's employees liars, they seem to be way off.
Sony has said will cost about the same as a new console (stated in an interview in September 2015)
Actually, he said priced as a new gaming platform. The context was to separate the idea of it being priced like a peripheral (headset, controller, etc.) To me that leaves it pretty open about how much the cost.
"The unit will be priced as a new gaming platform he said, without giving numbers."
1. the one we have thought it was for a year which is one that his hooked up directly to the PS4 2. the one that comes with extra hardware that basically just turns the play station itsself into nothing more than a disk drive to run the game. This one will likely cost around the price of the Vive which is hinted at $1500
I wish we could decide for now and ever more which one of those 2 we all agree to talk about because I am not about to talk about a high end Sony VR and then argue about $300 price points at the same time, its getting really frustrating
No, there's only one version: the one that Sony has said will cost about the same as a new console (stated in an interview in September 2015) with no evidence whatsoever to be found anywhere of what kind of subsidy Sony will provide on it.
Your information is just your guesses. And, unless you wish to call Sony's employees liars, they seem to be way off.
sorry when I re-read I see my error.
what I am trying to say is that there are two version of SOny VR that people use interchangeable as one.
Example (it costs only $300 and will be powerful)
so people are combinding both 'concepts' as one which is incorrect
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so people are combinding both 'concepts' as one which is incorrect
I think people are expecting Sony to take a hit on the cost and sell the product at a loss because they will have over 100 titles available for the system in the future. While I agree with that as a possibility, I'm not sold that it will be $300. Knowing Sony I would look for them to make it $499, as a random guess.
so people are combinding both 'concepts' as one which is incorrect
I think people are expecting Sony to take a hit on the cost and sell the product at a loss because they will have over 100 titles available for the system in the future. While I agree with that as a possibility, I'm not sold that it will be $300. Knowing Sony I would look for them to make it $499, as a random guess.
More over is the side effects of taking the 'loss position'
by suggesting Sony is willing to take a loss is a vote that Sony thinks VR is very promising technology in general. At that point one must go to the mountains and spend a weekend in solitude in a log cabin asking themselves 'Have I ever been critical of VR in the past? if so am I just hating on Oculus because they are not Sony or Microsoft? or has my view on VR changed'
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Sony has said will cost about the same as a new console (stated in an interview in September 2015)
Actually, he said priced as a new gaming platform. The context was to separate the idea of it being priced like a peripheral (headset, controller, etc.) To me that leaves it pretty open about how much the cost.
"The unit will be priced as a new gaming platform he said, without giving numbers."
I'm not sure I agree with your inference, though I can agree with the logic you use to arrive at it. I think, when speaking about something that only console users are concerned with, it could best be inferred "platform" to mean a console (since I would assume the Sony rep was speaking knowing the reading audience would likely be their PS4 users). However, I won't guarantee he isn't using a little bit of word magic to blunt any "you mean it costs more than my PS4?!?!" reactions in the future.
I also agree that $500 wouldn't be crazy, though my guess would be $400.
Sony has said will cost about the same as a new console (stated in an interview in September 2015)
Actually, he said priced as a new gaming platform. The context was to separate the idea of it being priced like a peripheral (headset, controller, etc.) To me that leaves it pretty open about how much the cost.
"The unit will be priced as a new gaming platform he said, without giving numbers."
I'm not sure I agree with your inference, though I can agree with the logic you use to arrive at it. I think, when speaking about something that only console users are concerned with, it could best be inferred "platform" to mean a console (since I would assume the Sony rep was speaking knowing the reading audience would likely be their PS4 users). However, I won't guarantee he isn't using a little bit of word magic to blunt any future "you mean it costs more than my PS4?!?!" reactions in the future.
I also agree that $500 wouldn't be crazy, though my guess would be $400.
we should place bets.
I think its going to be either $1000 OR they are about to reveal PS5 which I doubt the latter
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what I have noticed as of late is that more and more people seem to be confident in VR however to safe face they just want to not like Oculus so that they can say 'it was never about not being confident in VR it was about not being confident in Oculus'...lol
at least its progress
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Pity Apple doesn't have a dog in this fight, we can always rely on them to set the maximum possible price, lol
anyway..I think its EXTREEMLY unlikely given the past sell outs they have had that they set to upper limit of their release date supply to anything less than 50,000 to be frank. 175,000 DK kits were sold. So clearly they know there is plenty of demand and no reason to do any marketing tricks.
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ok let me help you out there.
Vive = very high end VR similar to the more expensive speakers you see in a high quality audio shop
Oculus = high end audio but more around a target of something for everyone
Sony = brand name with low quality (as we know now)
Sorry guys but 1/3 the resolution and 1/3 the frame rate is just a reality and although this generation of Consoles are NOT really better optomized even if they were there is a hard limit of 720p we know of as fact because the games cant go beyond that currently on a PS4.
So until we know what this device is that will attach to the headset its all SUPER speculative on Sony. That said, I very seriously doubt the most high end of VR solutions is waiting to see what the box that does 720p is going to do first...
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$1500?
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And what games are you speaking of, specifically? Because there are a whole host of games for the PS4 the output in 1080p....
1. the one we have thought it was for a year which is one that his hooked up directly to the PS4
2. the one that comes with extra hardware that basically just turns the play station itsself into nothing more than a disk drive to run the game. This one will likely cost around the price of the Vive which is hinted at $1500
I wish we could decide for now and ever more which one of those 2 we all agree to talk about because I am not about to talk about a high end Sony VR and then argue about $300 price points at the same time, its getting really frustrating
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Sony for an example will have to either cheap out on parts like crazy or take a massive loss on each unit sold.
This have been a good conversation
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Just saying that the SONY VR it might end up the least powerful of the three thanks to them most likely having to get it down to around 200$ as a stand alone product (they will put out a bundle that in essence will give you a free PS4 but charge closer to the OR for the headset and some games)
This have been a good conversation
They will have a version that works about as good as the Oculus but it will cost more than the Oculus and it will not sell well.
I really do not see hardcore console fans as the 'early adopters' of gaming technoloyg
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Your information is just your guesses. And, unless you wish to call Sony's employees liars, they seem to be way off.
"The unit will be priced as a new gaming platform he said, without giving numbers."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/sony-to-offer-more-than-10-titles-with-first-virtual-reality-set
what I am trying to say is that there are two version of SOny VR that people use interchangeable as one.
Example (it costs only $300 and will be powerful)
so people are combinding both 'concepts' as one which is incorrect
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Here's an interesting Forbes article from last week.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/01/06/sonys-playstation-vr-stands-to-be-almost-3x-more-popular-than-oculus-rift-in-2016/#2715e4857a0b3259a7316c10
More over is the side effects of taking the 'loss position'
by suggesting Sony is willing to take a loss is a vote that Sony thinks VR is very promising technology in general.
At that point one must go to the mountains and spend a weekend in solitude in a log cabin asking themselves 'Have I ever been critical of VR in the past? if so am I just hating on Oculus because they are not Sony or Microsoft? or has my view on VR changed'
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I also agree that $500 wouldn't be crazy, though my guess would be $400.
I think its going to be either $1000 OR they are about to reveal PS5 which I doubt the latter
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at least its progress
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