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CCP Desperate:Planning to allow players to sell skillpoints to other players for AUR(p2w currency)

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    This is less of "Pay-2-Win" than it is "Sell-2-Lose".

    Why would anyone be willing to sell something to another player if that "something" makes the other player stronger, while making themselves weaker ?

    After all, you'd be selling part of your own "power" (i.e. skillpoints).

    Unless of course, these skillpoints do not actually represent "win"...
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    This is less of "Pay-2-Win" than it is "Sell-2-Lose".

    Why would anyone be willing to sell something to another player if that "something" makes the other player stronger, while making themselves weaker ?

    After all, you'd be selling part of your own "power" (i.e. skillpoints).

    Unless of course, these skillpoints do not actually represent "win"...
    Maybe some people feel like they can still make due with only 14 accounts.
  • F0URTWENTYF0URTWENTY Member UncommonPosts: 349
    edited January 2016

    I find it pretty telling that CCP didn't put out a press release for mmorpg.com or any other site for this.


    They always do for any announcement, even small little things and this is a major change to the game.


    I also notice that there aren't the usual Eve defenders on here. Usually if you say anything negative about Eve there are fanboys here that will defend it like they are being payed to. Not this time.



  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    edited January 2016

    I find it pretty telling that CCP didn't put out a press release for mmorpg.com or any other site for this.


    They always do for any announcement, even small little things and this is a major change to the game.


    I also notice that there aren't the usual Eve defenders on here. Usually if you say anything negative about Eve there are fanboys here that will defend it like they are being payed to. Not this time.



    There's nothing negative about this announcement to defend.

    We've been able to buy and sell highly trained accounts for ISK for quite some time now, this just improves on it so we can better our own characters, at a penalty of course vs buying new ones.

    P2W? We who understand EVE know this isn't that. Go ahead, spend a fortune to get 200M sps, still won't fit any of the dozens of ships I have trained for better than me, and since I'm experienced in some likely can't fight them better.

    It does seem like a good opportunity to balance some characters and allow newer players to "catch up" since there is a point about 1.5 years into your training where the feeling of "needing" to train before playing more starts to abate for most.

    Oh yes, and CCP will likely earn more money, might gain some new blood, and isn't likely to lose many, thus helping the game to prosper.

    So, how's that for a "fanboi" defense?

    /end thread

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  • avelarthavelarth Member UncommonPosts: 17
    Selling skills !  this is legit p2w move. now they make money from their crap skill system. this is mind blowing. well done cpp.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Love the defenders of the game.  If this is not P2W then P2W does not exist in the MMO world and people should drop the term.
  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 749
    Wasn't this always technically possible by selling PLEX for ISK, then purchasing characters with high skill points?
  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    edited February 2016
    How is this different than buying a fully fledged and decked character ?

    I do not play EVE sine 2014 however i do know that character trading is everywhere. My fiance's brother does this almost as a full time job. ;)
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    CCP has had a problem in their game since day 1 >>>ISK.

    They should have spent the last 8 years developing the game and it's needs ,instead of being a greedy developer.

    They should have licensed or built a new engine and ported it over to further advance the game and it's technology.Instead they went for Dust "a real bad idea"and knowing their fanbase,they figured an easy sell if they somehow tie it into Eve again greed trying to sell an inferior product by using Eve.

    The game simply lacks way way too much,that is expected and they have done nothing to address that so they are just greedy looking for easiest best ways to further profits.Sadly the genre is so weakly thin they hang onto their loyal fanbase because me ,i would bail after 2 years and not seeing the developer do anything constructive with the tons of money it is raking in.

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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    I dont know how to look at this from a business standpoint.  Will they lose money because now people will be able to train alts without needing a second account?  Will some potential new whales leave the game due to buying combat skills and still getting their butt handed to them?  Think of all the money that CCP made from character transfers, how much of that will they be losing to this new system?

    I dont have all their data to look at so I can not say anything for certain.  I guess we will have to wait and see what happens in 6 to 10 months as a result of this action and decide then.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    edited February 2016
    Sigh, posting without reading and comprehending what's already been discussed.

    Do you just like to hear yourself talk?

    For those who might be interested, so far injectors are disappearing off the Jita market as fast as they can be listed, and the price on them just jumped from 620M to 653M ISk in last 30 minutes
    Post edited by Kyleran on

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  • eyeqdkeyeqdk Member UncommonPosts: 37
    If you don't know what Pay to win means... don't make a poste like this. 
    All players get skill with time. you can buy this new items with in game credits.... How does this make it pay to win? 
  • pinktailzpinktailz Member UncommonPosts: 173
    ofc it is p2w because if you buy skills, people who didn't buy will never catch up with you, but who cares anyway those territory wars games without content are just meh
  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    PVE server anyone ?
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    This is less of "Pay-2-Win" than it is "Sell-2-Lose".

    Why would anyone be willing to sell something to another player if that "something" makes the other player stronger, while making themselves weaker ?

    After all, you'd be selling part of your own "power" (i.e. skillpoints).

    Unless of course, these skillpoints do not actually represent "win"...
    The skillpoint thing is contentious, but it does enable people to add sp to an alt toon, so they can quickly max out on haulers or gain quicker access to freighters, or even just create a cyno alt, in terms of combat, sp's won't win you the fight, having 200m sp won't stop someone with 10m sp from hulling you 10/10 times, i currently have well in excess of 100m sp probably closer to 150m, but i am not an awesome pvp'er, fairly mediocre in fact, however, i can mission run level 4's no problems, and i can mine and refine, almost everything, PI, I can run 5 planets, though the returns are not that great for the time taken, i doubt that combined they generate 100m isk a week. I can make more than that just running 4's for a few hours or mining. What that amount of SP's allows me to do, is choose how i want to play, it doesn't make me an awesome pvp'er, as thats a skillset that isn't bought with sp's.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Elsabolts said:
    PVE server anyone ?
    As PvP drives everything in EVE .... the political game, the economical game, the war games ... something like a PvE server would not work in EVE IMHO.  And if someone tried, player numbers would drop rapidly after a few months after they run out of PvE content (as can be seen in most other MMO's) .. until the next expansion.


    Have fun
  • geren315geren315 Member UncommonPosts: 3
    nowadays it's fleets that win pvp not solo players. when you do solo pvp you do it with only one thing in mind and that is to get blown up and take someone with you, but let's face it your solo pvp ship will last of average 1h but most likely it it will get blown up on a gatecamp. to get into fleets you need to be able to fly doctrines and for that you need skills ... i hear way to many times ... you cant fly with us unless in a doctrine ship... but i can't fly that in another 2 months... well you can fly with us than... now they have  a way of cuting that a way of influencing how fast he will get sp.. if you jump out of that +5 clone it wont be a skill loss for you because you will gain isk and that now equals sp and with that it encurages players to actualy play EVE Online and not Skill quess Online.  people who cry this breaks eve are people who this feature does not affect (at least not theyr main) and so they put countless years into the game and now CCP gave way for others to catch up to them (you can inject sp with good efect up to 50m sp thats 2.5 years of sp EVE is 12 years old and many players are more than half of that)
    not to mention that this is another sp sink and that there is way to much sp in the pool right now
    if we see 1day titan pilot i can ashure you that that player has more isk than the avarage joe and is definitely not a new player
    i think its a great idea and i fully stand behind it (i also pay for my subscription because i enjoy eve, and for eve servers to stay up they need money)
    sorry for my broken english its not my main
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    pinktailz said:
    ofc it is p2w because if you buy skills, people who didn't buy will never catch up with you, but who cares anyway those territory wars games are the only MMORPGs truly worth playing as the content is never ending.
    Corrected for accuracy.  

    FYI, no one beat me yesterday with their newly acquired skill points.

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Kyleran said:
    Corrected for accuracy.  

    FYI, no one beat me yesterday with their newly acquired skill points.
    I was beaten recently by a 20 day character (and his 11 buddies) that warp scrambled and slowed me in his frigate. Somehow i suspect that P2W and bought skill points had no effect on that kill (more like my bad luck slowboating it out of a bubble cloaked and being caught/decloaked).


    Have fun
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,063
    Erillion said:
    Kyleran said:
    Corrected for accuracy.  

    FYI, no one beat me yesterday with their newly acquired skill points.
    I was beaten recently by a 20 day character (and his 11 buddies) that warp scrambled and slowed me in his frigate. Somehow i suspect that P2W and bought skill points had no effect on that kill (more like my bad luck slowboating it out of a bubble cloaked and being caught/decloaked).


    Have fun
    Well Most likely you were beaten by the most insidious form of pay to win ever conceived. Those players have probably been paying for a subscription for many years truly the most unfair pay to win scheme ever

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Erillion said:
    As PvP drives everything in EVE .... the political game, the economical game, the war games ... something like a PvE server would not work in EVE IMHO.  And if someone tried, player numbers would drop rapidly after a few months after they run out of PvE content (as can be seen in most other MMO's) .. until the next expansion.


    Have fun
    You base your assumption on false premise that PVP drives "everything" in EVE...it does not, not even by a long shot. Your 2nd false assumption is that people do not play EVE for PVE.


    What drives EVE is a ship loss and there are about as many ships lost in PVE as there are in PVP...
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Gdemami said:
    Erillion said:
    As PvP drives everything in EVE .... the political game, the economical game, the war games ... something like a PvE server would not work in EVE IMHO.  And if someone tried, player numbers would drop rapidly after a few months after they run out of PvE content (as can be seen in most other MMO's) .. until the next expansion.


    Have fun
    You base your assumption on false premise that PVP drives "everything" in EVE...it does not, not even by a long shot. Your 2nd false assumption is that people do not play EVE for PVE.


    What drives EVE is a ship loss and there are about as many ships lost in PVE as there are in PVP...

    EVE has about the worst PvE out there...not sure what you are playing.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Horusra said:
    EVE has about the worst PvE out there...not sure what you are playing.
    Same game, just more opened mind...
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Gdemami said:
    Horusra said:
    EVE has about the worst PvE out there...not sure what you are playing.
    Same game, just more opened mind...

    EVE PvE is just pointless really.  Once you get your skills up there is no challenge in it.  The challenge only comes from someone PvP fitted attacking your PvE tanking boat because you are defenseless against them.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    Horusra said:
    EVE PvE is just pointless really.  Once you get your skills up there is no challenge in it.  The challenge only comes from someone PvP fitted attacking your PvE tanking boat because you are defenseless against them.
    ...hopeless.
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