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Trion Swings The Hammer - Entire Guild Banned

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited February 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageTrion Swings The Hammer - Entire Guild Banned

Trion Worlds has made a post on the official ArcheAge forums regarding a server first kill of Leviathan boss by the guild called "Rage Quit". According to reports of other players and the summary by forum moderators, the guild utilized an exploit to complete the kill. As a result of taking advantage of the exploit, all members participating in the event got permanently banned, the guild has been disbanded and all loot gained has been removed from the world.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196



    Now do not go and unban them next week.
  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,455
    Recore said:



    Now do not go and unban them next week.
    I love the idea but I can see this being a temporary ban and guild being back in a month or so.   I hope Trion maintains the ban. 
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Guess they simply weren't spending enough in the Cash Shop... :D 

    /runs-and-hides
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    What cheaters in AA ... IM SHOCKED
  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    Think one thing missed out was the guilds main intension wasn't to exploit. Watched the actual guilds video, the fight started normally then about at 80 - 90% the mob started glicthing out and they just rolled with it.

    Tbh been in that situation so many times where a mob just gets stuck and I jump on the advantage of it and can bet so many gamers have lol.

    Even after saying that, they should have just owned up to it, explained that it was never planned, show the fottage and they would have been fine.
  • fodell54fodell54 Member RarePosts: 865
    What funny is if you go on AA forums there are actually people arguing that the punishment is to harsh. Saying because AA is a sandbox and people should be able to do what they want. 

    AA seems to be filled with cheaters and idiots alike.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    This decision is pure .. "political" . It was a BUG, not an exploit. I think they need to check out what an exploit is and what a bug is.

    They banned them because of the mass players qq-ing over this.

    I still think that a perma-ban because of an NPC ( boss ) bug is to much. The boss got .. stuck in a bad animation. Of course they killed it.

    Sure an easy kill, so delete the loot which they got from the boss and .. ok , 7 days ban and a warning , but perma ban? This clearly show how bad trion is. They wanted with this to "wash" their dirty hands in front of the players. And from the reply's on their official forum, they kinda managed it.

    Bad company is bad!

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  • Arkade99Arkade99 Member RarePosts: 538
    IceAge said:
    This decision is pure .. "political" . It was a BUG, not an exploit. I think they need to check out what an exploit is and what a bug is.
    Exploiting a bug is still exploiting. 
  • MrBum21MrBum21 Member UncommonPosts: 405
    Arkade99 said:
    IceAge said:
    This decision is pure .. "political" . It was a BUG, not an exploit. I think they need to check out what an exploit is and what a bug is.
    Exploiting a bug is still exploiting. 

    was this a known bug?  did they have to do something to trigger the bug, or did it just happen randomly because the code sucks?  If the players did nothing to trigger the event I say this is too harsh, if they did something to trigger the boss to get stuck then I am for the ban.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    MrBum21 said:
    Arkade99 said:
    IceAge said:
    This decision is pure .. "political" . It was a BUG, not an exploit. I think they need to check out what an exploit is and what a bug is.
    Exploiting a bug is still exploiting. 

      If the players did nothing to trigger the event I say this is too harsh, if they did something to trigger the boss to get stuck then I am for the ban.


    I agree with you on this. 
  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265
    u cant blame players if game bugs.
    but getting ban in tis game not so bad, just move to better mmo game ;)
  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395
    edited February 2016
    Arkade99 said:
    IceAge said:
    This decision is pure .. "political" . It was a BUG, not an exploit. I think they need to check out what an exploit is and what a bug is.
    Exploiting a bug is still exploiting. 
    Not so. What other choice would they have? Do you think they really should have stopped fighting and camped or wiped? That's ridiculous. If you think that, you live in a a fairy tale land.
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    DMKano said:

    Recore said:







    Now do not go and unban them next week.



    Which part of permanently banned are you not understanding?


    What part of Now do not go and unban them next week are you not understanding?


    You still white knighting this game?
  • EponyxDamorEponyxDamor Member RarePosts: 749
    DMKano said:
    This was a known exploit - so yeah
    So, why didn't Trion fix it before it could be "exploited"?

    Sounds like a bug to me, rather than an exploit; otherwise, Trion would (or should) have fixed it a little more quickly, in order to prevent people from "exploiting".
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069

    ex·ploit

    tr.v. (ĭk-sploit′, ĕk′sploit′) ex·ploit·edex·ploit·ingex·ploits
    1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
    2. To make use of selfishly or unethically:

    They exploited the fact that the Leviathan was glitched and could be killed without it attacking them back. It should have been reported via a support ticket or the forums. Instead they chose to go ahead with the kill, get the loot and the "prestige" of NA's first Leviathan kill, and basically boast about the whole thing on the forums. A perma-ban was the right thing to do.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    DMKano said:
    This was a known exploit - so yeah
    So, why didn't Trion fix it before it could be "exploited"?

    Sounds like a bug to me, rather than an exploit; otherwise, Trion would (or should) have fixed it a little more quickly, in order to prevent people from "exploiting".
    Trion can't fix it. 
  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    Herase said:
    Think one thing missed out was the guilds main intension wasn't to exploit. Watched the actual guilds video, the fight started normally then about at 80 - 90% the mob started glicthing out and they just rolled with it.
    Footage started at 27% left of the boss, but still... If indeed they did do around 70% damage on the boss and then it glitches, the perm ban is not in place I'd say. Like others said, remove gains from the boss and carry on. I'm not sure about a temp (7-day) ban for this either if after 70% it glitched. Because if after such a time of fighting a boss (or just any mob) starts to glitch, should you walk away and wait for it to reset..?
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Good for them.

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • HeraseHerase Member RarePosts: 993
    Forgrimm said:

    ex·ploit

    tr.v. (ĭk-sploit′, ĕk′sploit′) ex·ploit·edex·ploit·ingex·ploits
    1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
    2. To make use of selfishly or unethically:

    They exploited the fact that the Leviathan was glitched and could be killed without it attacking them back. It should have been reported via a support ticket or the forums. Instead they chose to go ahead with the kill, get the loot and the "prestige" of NA's first Leviathan kill, and basically boast about the whole thing on the forums. A perma-ban was the right thing to do.
    True, was just pointing out if say all of us in the this thread was in a group doing this boss and he glitches I could bet money not one person would speak out and say "Guys? We should just wipe and make a ticket" because, as you said, they had a lot riding on it, you get caught up in the moment.

    Not saying they should not be punished, but think perm-ban was a bit of a leap considering, people who actually go out their way to cause misery, exploits and problems get temp bans. think they should have lost all the items or what ever they gained from the kill and banned for a month max imho.



  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar Member RarePosts: 1,689
    edited February 2016
    System said:

    Trion Worlds has made a post on the official ArcheAge forums regarding a server first kill of Leviathan boss by the guild called "Rage Quit". As a result of taking advantage of the exploit, all members participating in the event got permanently banned, the guild has been disbanded and all loot gained has been removed from the world.

    The poor Rage Quit guild never got the chance to rage quit.  :(
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    LOL looks like Trino trying to grab headlines and make a statement. Over compensating for the abortion this game has turned out to be since it released.

    But a 'perma' ban from a free to play game is pretty meaningless especially when they can buy their way back to wherever they were in a day.

    More than likely they all make new accounts and Trino silently gives those new accounts all the real world money stuff the old accounts had.
  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    That's pretty cool.
  • ZeddakisZeddakis Member UncommonPosts: 156
    Will the person responsible for the buggy code be banned from work? That is what I want to know.
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    edited February 2016
    I see lots of comments about buggy code, not their fault etc etc, but after one youtube search, its clear that pretty much nobody in this thread has seen the video or knows what actually happened.

    For those wondering, the guild actually dumped a bunch of metals and lumber into the sea, in an effort to get the boss to stay in a specific area (which turns out, worked). The boss didn't glitch, the players took specific steps to ensure the boss would not be movable.

    Now....is that an exploit?....considering that its a "sandbox" (i use that term loosely here..), I would chalk that up to "clever use of game mechanics", but it also seems like a member of the guild tried to actually blackmail Trion afterwards, thus the permaban.

    Everything I just wrote took all of 45 seconds of internet usage to find out...

  • osylithosylith Member UncommonPosts: 9
    rodarin said:
    LOL looks like Trino trying to grab headlines and make a statement. Over compensating for the abortion this game has turned out to be since it released.

    But a 'perma' ban from a free to play game is pretty meaningless especially when they can buy their way back to wherever they were in a day.

    More than likely they all make new accounts and Trino silently gives those new accounts all the real world money stuff the old accounts had.
    1 Piece for gear can sell for thousands of dollars. It would cost some people 5-10k depending on what they have. Not to mention all of the in game assets. Housing, Vehicles and all the other random housing stuff. A Permanent ban is a big deal.
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