I am not manipulating anything. You can watch the video with him saying exactly that. You can draw your own conclusion about it but don't blame me for what he said.
Calling people that participate in his open development armchair developers on television, even if he really just means the real armchair developers, is unprofessional for someone that just banked $110 from said people.
Have faith!
Well you kind of are, because what you linked wasn't the full comment;
"Now you have a million game designers, a million arm chair developers, a million CEOs [telling us what to do]," Roberts explained.
But at the same time, Roberts said most of the Star Citizen community is "incredibly supportive and positive," contributing their own good ideas to the development team. This passion amongst the community is exciting and encouraging"
Why is it unprofessional? What makes the term unprofessional? Only people who feel offended by the term would say so.
As you can see from the full comment, he's happy people are sharing their ideas and giving feedback, by bringing up that one remark you've just placed yourself in that "armchair dev" category, if you felt your comments and post have been fair and constructive up until this point, the comment wouldn't have phased you one bit.
As the great DJ Khalid once said, "Congratulation, you played yourself"
I am not manipulating anything. You can watch the video with him saying exactly that. You can draw your own conclusion about it but don't blame me for what he said.
Calling people that participate in his open development armchair developers on television, even if he really just means the real armchair developers, is unprofessional for someone that just banked $110 from said people.
Have faith!
Well you kind of are, because what you linked wasn't the full comment;
"Now you have a million game designers, a million arm chair developers, a million CEOs [telling us what to do]," Roberts explained.
But at the same time, Roberts said most of the Star Citizen community is "incredibly supportive and positive," contributing their own good ideas to the development team. This passion amongst the community is exciting and encouraging"
Why is it unprofessional? What makes the term unprofessional? Only people who feel offended by the term would say so.
As you can see from the full comment, he's happy people are sharing their ideas and giving feedback, by bringing up that one remark you've just placed yourself in that "armchair dev" category, if you felt your comments and post have been fair and constructive up until this point, the comment wouldn't have phased you one bit.
As the great DJ Khalid once said, "Congratulation, you played yourself"
I linked the whole article. You can read it as you did. So why are you saying i did not link the full comment?
Being unprofessional has nothing to do with someone being offended. It is used when someone makes a comment below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession. As a CEO and public figure on a TV show, running a $110 million company it is expected to not call anyone names even if it might be true.
It is pretty much impossible to have an argument with you when you don't understand simple things like the meaning of unprofessional.
Let's just leave it at that, shall we?
Have faith!
PS: I am not phased by anything Mr. Roberts says. I find it entertaining and humorous to watch him screw up again and again. This is the forum for the game Mr. Roberts develops so i share his antics here for others to enjoy too.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Im so glad I wasn't waiting/following or even interested in this game. But Once you go crowd funded to help support or fund your game you have to realize your everyone's Bitch He needs to get some PR lessons from the Likes of Mark Jacobs or Richard Garriot with keeping people informed update and content with investing money into there project.
Roberts and Garriott are friends. They used to co-own some micro-brewery LLC, and the first time Lesnick and Gardiner met, face to face, was in Garriott's office. The fact they both have crowdfunded monstrosities relying on their namesakes, with questionable development ethic, is no coincidence.
I suppose I should legitimize this micro-brew thing before it blows up in my face.
"The "owners" of an LLC are referred to as "members." Depending on the
state, the members can consist of a single individual (one owner), two
or more individuals, corporations or other LLCs."
Im so glad I wasn't waiting/following or even interested in this game. But Once you go crowd funded to help support or fund your game you have to realize your everyone's Bitch He needs to get some PR lessons from the Likes of Mark Jacobs or Richard Garriot with keeping people informed update and content with investing money into there project.
Roberts and Garriott are friends. They used to co-own some micro-brewery LLC, and the first time Lesnick and Gardiner met, face to face, was in Garriott's office. The fact they both have crowdfunded monstrosities relying on their namesakes, with questionable development ethic, is no coincidence.
Roberts also owned a race horse breeding farm together with Craig Cox his CTO at Digital Anvil. It went out of business and is for sale right now iirc. He truly is a man of many talents...
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
The horse thing isn't "as" interesting, except for the fact in 2011 there was a horse named "Star Citizen", from which Roberts probably derived the project name.
To all that think someone is offended and how calling people armchair developers is not a big deal:
1. He is running a crowd funding campaign for everyone not only for game developers. 2. According to him: "The most open development ever done in history of crowd funding" 3. You can't have "open development" and then complain about the people you invite to participate. He had to know in advance that they are not all going to be developers. 4. It is unprofessional.
I hope that settles the whole offended thing. No one is offended, he is just a real special snowflake full of hubris, that's all.
I disagree. There is a difference between participating in something constructively and being intentionally inflammatory or destructive.
I'm actually a little disappointed with your broad interpretation of what he said. Did he specifically point out the crowd at large and say that they were armchair developers? No, he didn't AGAIN, you misrepresent the facts, even when it's in writing, right in front of you. If there's one thing that's distinctly lacking in this project, it's objectivity.
It isn't unprofessional. You seem to think that open development is defined as zero boundaries. That's a nice thought, but it's not realistic. It might be the 'most' open development in history of crowd funding. Who are you to say? Have you seen more open development in a crowd funded game? If that's limited enough of a scope of games for you?
Sorry, but if someone walked up to me and started telling me how to do my job, constantly, I think I'd probably last all of a few hours before they got a punch in the throat.
Again, big difference between community involvement and armchair development and, again, a little disappointed that you took that comment to such a massively broad range. As a professional and knowing you're a professional, I find it highly unprofessional that you deliberately manipulate factual information to suit your agenda.
I am not manipulating anything. You can watch the video with him saying exactly that. You can draw your own conclusion about it but don't blame me for what he said.
Calling people that participate in his open development armchair developers on television, even if he really just means the real armchair developers, is unprofessional for someone that just banked $110 from said people.
Have faith!
Sure you are. I did watch the video, did you? Are you literally saying that what you took away from that was that he was accusing the entire community of being armchair developers?
Here, this is the exact quote in the video itself, along with the question from the journalist (at 9m10s)
Are you going to tell me that because he said he basically has "1 million, game designers, 1 million armchair developers, 1 million CEOs" that they're lying about numbers and they ACTUALLY have 3 million people?
I don't think that I've ever, in my life, had as many conversations with people about literal interpretations of quotes, with zero tolerance for deviation, as I have with SC. Honestly, I don't know how you take away what you do when you say you've watched the video. Even the article makes it seem more bad than what it actually is, so the fact that you take that away from the video itself is astounding.
Lots of words trying to make what CR said positive. He has a problem with criticism - he takes it badly and can't control his mouth. When he calls his backers 'armchair devs' he is basically saying 'these people don't know what they are talking about and need to leave the real devs to do their thing'. It's massively off-message.
Lots of words trying to make what CR said positive. He has a problem with criticism - he takes it badly and can't control his mouth. When he calls his backers 'armchair devs' he is basically saying 'these people don't know what they are talking about and need to leave the real devs to do their thing'. It's massively off-message.
completely missed a golden opportunity to criticize SC in a way that is far more tight, correct and not filled with so many holes you could fly the entire air force thru.
try this.
If he didnt spend so much time promoting his game all the time and more time just working on the game he wouldnt have so much static to filter.
instead of
'I am offended by being called a non-developer even though I am a non-developer'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Lots of words trying to make what CR said positive. He has a problem with criticism - he takes it badly and can't control his mouth. When he calls his backers 'armchair devs' he is basically saying 'these people don't know what they are talking about and need to leave the real devs to do their thing'. It's massively off-message.
completely missed a golden opportunity to criticize SC in a way that is far more tight, correct and not filled with so many holes you could fly the entire air force thru.
try this.
If he didnt spend so much time promoting his game all the time and more time just working on the game he wouldnt have so much static to filter.
instead of
'I am offended by being called a non-developer even though I am a non-developer'
You don't seem to understand that no one is offended here at all (even the armchair developers).
People shake their heads in disbelief about a CEO of a $110 million company that claims to be the most open development in history making very unprofessional comments on TV and in his videos.
Look up unprofessional behaviour and then when you understand what it means you can participate in this discussion like the other adults.
Let me just quote you from another thread:
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Actually Sean I AM a developer and I am not offended by what he said, I just think it's disrespectful to the backers.
I'm confused with this notion of 'disrespectful'. It didn't sound like it at all, if you watched the video I posted above at around 9 minutes. It isn't a poor assessment of the situation at all. It's just the reality that they are trying to manage 1 million opinions about how the game should be realized.
I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I just know that I had one opinion when I read the article versus being able to hear and see it come from his own mouth. I just think that most haven't seen the video and, honestly, people are acting like he's a clever wordsmith when I'm not entirely certain he even knows what an oxymoron is.
It seems to me that CR can't keep his frustration in check. The point he made should have been stated better IMHO. The way it was put sounds negative, and almost a little blame-y.
He should have said something like 'thanks for all your feedback - we compile it all together and work through it regularly. If we ever come upon something that divides opinion and is important to the delivery of promised features we will consult you via a poll or similar to gain a majority consensus.'
instead it came across as 'you all have different opinions but I know what I'm doing, and I'm a little tired of all these voices of discontent - my life is so hard'
It seems to me that CR can't keep his frustration in check. The point he made should have been stated better IMHO. The way it was put sounds negative, and almost a little blame-y.
He should have said something like 'thanks for all your feedback - we compile it all together and work through it regularly. If we ever come upon something that divides opinion and is important to the delivery of promised features we will consult you via a poll or similar to gain a majority consensus.'
instead it came across as 'you all have different opinions but I know what I'm doing, and I'm a little tired of all these voices of discontent - my life is so hard'
I'm still not sure where you gathered that from the video. He even went on to say that they have good ideas. I don't know how that translates into 'you all have different opinions but I know what I'm doing'
Also, as I said before, I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a wordsmith, so being so elegant as you wrote above in a television interview probably isn't realistic.
Because it was totally unnecessary. He was moaning. About the people that paid for his lifestyle.
If you listened to what he said he was only moaning about 5% of the armchair developers while being thankful for the other 95%. And we all know who and why those 5% take offence.
Because it was totally unnecessary. He was moaning. About the people that paid for his lifestyle.
If you listened to what he said he was only moaning about 5% of the armchair developers while being thankful for the other 95%. And we all know who and why those 5% take offence.
The white knights keep saying people took offence when we have said multiple times no one did but that it was in poor taste. I guess it's easier to keep repeating the same line over and over in the hopes that it's taken as fact instead of having to accept Chris Roberts your lord and saviour was a dick
Nothing that is used in a competitive game environment should be sold for real world money. The fact that the ships can also be earned in-game is meaningless. That should be the ONLY way to obtain ships.
Agreed. Nowadays it's pretty common for companies to sell things that impact on gameplay though: Star Citizen (PLEX, Skill extractor), Star Citizen (Ships), Crowfall (VIP tokens, mounts, tax-free parcels)...
I prefer pricing models under which real money does not confer a competitive advantage (B2P, monthly sub, F2P/B2P+cosmetic only cash shop).
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"Now you have a million game designers, a million arm chair developers, a million CEOs [telling us what to do]," Roberts explained.
But at the same time, Roberts said most of the Star Citizen community is "incredibly supportive and positive," contributing their own good ideas to the development team. This passion amongst the community is exciting and encouraging"
Why is it unprofessional? What makes the term unprofessional? Only people who feel offended by the term would say so.
As you can see from the full comment, he's happy people are sharing their ideas and giving feedback, by bringing up that one remark you've just placed yourself in that "armchair dev" category, if you felt your comments and post have been fair and constructive up until this point, the comment wouldn't have phased you one bit.
As the great DJ Khalid once said, "Congratulation, you played yourself"
Being unprofessional has nothing to do with someone being offended. It is used when someone makes a comment below or contrary to the standards expected in a particular profession. As a CEO and public figure on a TV show, running a $110 million company it is expected to not call anyone names even if it might be true.
It is pretty much impossible to have an argument with you when you don't understand simple things like the meaning of unprofessional.
Let's just leave it at that, shall we?
Have faith!
PS: I am not phased by anything Mr. Roberts says. I find it entertaining and humorous to watch him screw up again and again. This is the forum for the game Mr. Roberts develops so i share his antics here for others to enjoy too.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/austin-microbrewers-llc/35813764.aspx
"The "owners" of an LLC are referred to as "members." Depending on the state, the members can consist of a single individual (one owner), two or more individuals, corporations or other LLCs."
https://www.sba.gov/content/limited-liability-company-llc
The other thing is here...
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6343086/#Comment_6343086
Roberts also owned a race horse breeding farm together with Craig Cox his CTO at Digital Anvil. It went out of business and is for sale right now iirc. He truly is a man of many talents...
The farm looks really nice though.
He was and is involved in quite a few businesses with these people.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/christopher-roberts/30216003.aspx
So is his Lawyer Ortwin:
Gotta love the internet. We are all so transparent.
Have faith!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Here, this is the exact quote in the video itself, along with the question from the journalist (at 9m10s)
Are you going to tell me that because he said he basically has "1 million, game designers, 1 million armchair developers, 1 million CEOs" that they're lying about numbers and they ACTUALLY have 3 million people?
I don't think that I've ever, in my life, had as many conversations with people about literal interpretations of quotes, with zero tolerance for deviation, as I have with SC. Honestly, I don't know how you take away what you do when you say you've watched the video. Even the article makes it seem more bad than what it actually is, so the fact that you take that away from the video itself is astounding.
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try this.
If he didnt spend so much time promoting his game all the time and more time just working on the game he wouldnt have so much static to filter.
instead of
'I am offended by being called a non-developer even though I am a non-developer'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
People shake their heads in disbelief about a CEO of a $110 million company that claims to be the most open development in history making very unprofessional comments on TV and in his videos.
Look up unprofessional behaviour and then when you understand what it means you can participate in this discussion like the other adults.
Let me just quote you from another thread:
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
Have faith!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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there are 1 million people giving us their opinions.
95% of them are positive and useful
5% are dicks.
I listen the the 95% and ignore the 5%.
I'm confused with this notion of 'disrespectful'. It didn't sound like it at all, if you watched the video I posted above at around 9 minutes. It isn't a poor assessment of the situation at all. It's just the reality that they are trying to manage 1 million opinions about how the game should be realized.
I'm not trying to sway you one way or the other. I just know that I had one opinion when I read the article versus being able to hear and see it come from his own mouth. I just think that most haven't seen the video and, honestly, people are acting like he's a clever wordsmith when I'm not entirely certain he even knows what an oxymoron is.
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He should have said something like 'thanks for all your feedback - we compile it all together and work through it regularly. If we ever come upon something that divides opinion and is important to the delivery of promised features we will consult you via a poll or similar to gain a majority consensus.'
instead it came across as 'you all have different opinions but I know what I'm doing, and I'm a little tired of all these voices of discontent - my life is so hard'
I'm still not sure where you gathered that from the video. He even went on to say that they have good ideas. I don't know how that translates into 'you all have different opinions but I know what I'm doing'
Also, as I said before, I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a wordsmith, so being so elegant as you wrote above in a television interview probably isn't realistic.
At any rate, thanks for the insight.
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I dont see how calling someone not a developer when they are in fact not a developer to be 'disrespectful' maybe I just have a thick skin?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I prefer pricing models under which real money does not confer a competitive advantage (B2P, monthly sub, F2P/B2P+cosmetic only cash shop).