Eh, sometimes good posts come from lurkers, but his wasn't one of them. It's same, tired, "it takes so much wooooorrrk". SQ42 isn't subject to any of the crowdfunding milestone aspects, or "development scale additions", or whatever other excuse people are making nowadays. It had an estimated release date summer of 2014.
"I'm honestly tired of everyone saying the game should be released
already, or the only plans are to take money and not deliver. How many
of you actually understand what it takes to code a game?"
Well, apparently Chris Roberts didn't know, or lied. Which is it. Whatever. They're not fooling so many people anymore, and for that I'm happy.
What it comes down to honestly is if you don't like it, don't donate but for the love of god stfu about it.
Well, I guess you told us, huh.
This and this are the reasons that I don't post. Resulting to base insults to reply to a post. Mindless, child like drivel.
Anyway, "you don't like what I like so stfu" isn't exactly a paragon post of mindful, adult-like sooth.
I never said that I like SC. Please feel free to find and quote where I said that I like SC or where their development is. I'm merely stating the fact that people are so willing to come onto a forum and for some reason proclaim "I hate 'x', so therefore everyone should agree with me and hate 'x' as well".
I merely pointed out the fact that the development of SC is based more upon purely money, and time is a variable as well that people don't seem to grasp. I'm tired of hearing everyone saying how game developers that rely on donations are just out for money and never intent to develop and produce the product they promised.
Things happen, and there is a lot more involved in the development of a game than merely setting an arbitrary release date. Complications happen, and delays happen. So if you don't like it, please quietly request a refund and move on.
This 'game' is such a sucker magnet lol, shocking really. It's like they managed to persuade every single sucker on this planet to light his money on fire. Amazing.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
The only sane explanation for the madness is that SC is used by the company to launder money for someone. When seen through a money laundering scheme prism, all pieces fall into place nicely. There are no 100+ mill donated by people who somehow spend thousands on blind faith when the work done doesn't support the optimism. There is only couple of million donated by actual backers and the state of the game is the obvious result of that. Think about it. They supposedly raise ~3mill a month, that's like 100k a day. Do you really believe that there are so many rich suckers that like to spend money on no product? 100k a day? I don't buy it and neither should any of you. 100+ Million dollars and not even workable game engine? after 4 years+? Wake up.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
While I understand what you are saying, I'd only partially agree with you on it. Granted I would think along the same lines as you, why would the company keep collecting money. I would think in terms of scope are they adjusting the scope to match the increase in funds, etc. I'm not sure what is going to happen, but it does seem rather funny this company. I can see why both sides are getting angry or disgruntled with the way the company is doing business. I'm always curious about the discussions in relation to this game. You have some passionate people on both sides.
In the end however, If I would have a guess, I would say that what will eventually be released will not be near any expectation that the people putting money in this project will have. Even still, I think there is to much negativity in regards to the game in general.
I also feel like it will have a significant impact on how crowdfunding will be monitored especially by the consumer.
My personal view is that SC has overstepped the boundary.
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
My personal view is that SC has overstepped the boundary.
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
I mostly agree.
I dont know why so many have to turn this into a baby killing, mastermind money laundering scheme. Its just a guy who is better at raising money then delivering products on time. that is pretty much 99.9999% of the entire story
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I think there's a difference between making enough money to successfully launch the game/s and making enough money to turn a fantastic profit.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
If you have bought into this, you have supported a monitization method that encourages prolonged game development over actually releasing the game. The longer they drag out development, the more money they make.
I think there's a difference between making enough money to successfully launch the game/s and making enough money to turn a fantastic profit.
Well it would have been fantastic profit if CR just did it for 6 mio. and released end of 2014 and kept the rest. Instead he uses all the money to built a bigger game. Sure some money went down the drain (Illfonic might be one of those misinvestments) but that happens like in almost every project. Show me a perfectly calculated project that did everything in time that has a scope compared to SC? I guess you can't.
My personal view is that SC has overstepped the boundary.
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
Question is how it all started. In my opinion people who were not involved into the development (just fans of the project) overstepped the line because they wanted their influence onto the game. After this was denied by CIG the hate grow stronger. Some hardcore fans turned therefor the sides and became anti SC. It's with little kids no one wants to play with because the want to be always in the middle. Suddenly they are excluded and become haters.
Fact is that the whole drama is only be seen by a smaller group as you might expect. Most potential buyers of SC know nothing about the whole thing (but might be easy victims of anti SC propaganda).
My personal view is that SC has overstepped the boundary.
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
I tend to agree. This is the part of the transparency that people can't handle. Never mind that Frontier raised $3 million through KS and then $80+ through an IPO, so essentially the same +/-
IMO, the continued sales ends up hurting you because you can't escape the fact that your funds have blown up. I think that the added pressure is that with the continual increase in funding, they also increase their responsibilities to their backers, while also increasing expectations on a non-linear curve, as their backer numbers and funding increase.
I think this prompted this frenzy of having to do something so crazy that it'll just blow people away. I think that if they had stayed the course and worked on completing incremental goals, or games, or modules, over time, similar to ED, then they would be much better off. Now, it simply looks like they're axing features left and right, when the reality is that these were all things that shouldn't have been started in the first place. I'd say there will be more pain before the end of the year, but ultimately, they'll probably shoot for SQ42 to get some incoming generated, then they'll hopefully have some other modules back on the rails at that point.
I think there's a difference between making enough money to successfully launch the game/s and making enough money to turn a fantastic profit.
I have to ask you this question point blank
as a gamer what is the difference in your purchases choices between these two descriptions:
-'a game where the creator is better at raising money but struggles deeply with actually producing something to the point where he may never do so' and -'a game where the creator is good a raising money but is taking off with it'
well zero actually. in both cases you are left with nothing to play. HOWEVER, the later (the option you are suggesting) implies he is smarter than the former.
think on that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
My personal view is that SC has overstepped the boundary.
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
Question is how it all started. In my opinion people who were not involved into the development (just fans of the project) overstepped the line because they wanted their influence onto the game. After this was denied by CIG the hate grow stronger. Some hardcore fans turned therefor the sides and became anti SC. It's with little kids no one wants to play with because the want to be always in the middle. Suddenly they are excluded and become haters.
Fact is that the whole drama is only be seen by a smaller group as you might expect. Most potential buyers of SC know nothing about the whole thing (but might be easy victims of anti SC propaganda).
You expect the worst always?
No:
I wouldn't think my comment is the worst possible outcome, just one of many plausible outcomes.
I dont know why so many have to turn this into a baby killing, mastermind money laundering scheme. Its just a guy who is better at raising money then delivering products on time. that is pretty much 99.9999% of the entire story
The tone of this post sounds like you are talking to yourself, trying to convince yourself about what the truth is. That's ok, if your somewhat naive world view makes you sleep better at night, I say good for you.
I have a different point of view, more sceptical and borderline cynical, it comes with the territory of being older and hopefully wiser about how our world works. Age also comes with a fine tuned bullshit radar.
And since i went all Freud on you today let me continue: The only reason that i can think of why my opinion bothers you so much its because deep inside you feel there could be much truth in my 'analysis' of what's happening with SC.
What I'm saying is, if I was IRS I would open an investigation, if they haven't already. Time will tell if I bullseyed the situation or missed it by a mile. We'll see.
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I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
The thing you need to understand is that RSI isn't holding a gun to your head to force money out of you, if people are foolishly giving away money to them, it's their own fault, and because of this more and more companies are going to use this new approach on getting money out of people. So in a sense, as much as I hate RSI, they aren't really to blame, it's the people that keep investing in it that are stupid and killing the MMO genre in whole.
The thing you need to understand is that RSI isn't holding a gun to your head to force money out of you, if people are foolishly giving away money to them, it's their own fault, and because of this more and more companies are going to use this new approach on getting money out of people. So in a sense, as much as I hate RSI, they aren't really to blame, it's the people that keep investing in it that are stupid and killing the MMO genre in whole.
Unless this is nothing but a laundering scheme. Unless an investigation opens we may never know and hell CR may actually get away with it. Funny part is none of us have ever seen anything like this around the gaming world. Going to be interesting when we get to the end of it.
What CIG has done in terms of generating funding is amazing. But at some point it is distasteful to continue asking people to keep funding development. The fact that they haven't frozen donations/sales at this point is a huge red flag to me. It shows a lack of respect to the people that have already put in a lot of money that they continue to miss predicted delivery dates and in some cases expand the scope of the product.
They have no incentive to release a product anytime soon. And they won't until funding levels start to drop drastically.
There is no "I have enough money" in the world.
There is always room for more, more, more!
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
What CIG has done in terms of generating funding is amazing. But at some point it is distasteful to continue asking people to keep funding development. The fact that they haven't frozen donations/sales at this point is a huge red flag to me. It shows a lack of respect to the people that have already put in a lot of money that they continue to miss predicted delivery dates and in some cases expand the scope of the product.
They have no incentive to release a product anytime soon. And they won't until funding levels start to drop drastically.
There is no "I have enough money" in the world.
There is always room for more, more, more!
hold on their cowboy.
here is what I have issue with. this quote
'They have no incentive to release a product anytime soon. And they won't until funding levels start to drop drastically.'
how is that not the same for every game ever? If ubisoft could do the same thing, wouldnt they?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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This and this are the reasons that I don't post. Resulting to base insults to reply to a post. Mindless, child like drivel.
I merely pointed out the fact that the development of SC is based more upon purely money, and time is a variable as well that people don't seem to grasp. I'm tired of hearing everyone saying how game developers that rely on donations are just out for money and never intent to develop and produce the product they promised.
Things happen, and there is a lot more involved in the development of a game than merely setting an arbitrary release date. Complications happen, and delays happen. So if you don't like it, please quietly request a refund and move on.
It's like they managed to persuade every single sucker on this planet to light his money on fire.
Amazing.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
When seen through a money laundering scheme prism, all pieces fall into place nicely.
There are no 100+ mill donated by people who somehow spend thousands on blind faith when the work done doesn't support the optimism.
There is only couple of million donated by actual backers and the state of the game is the obvious result of that.
Think about it.
They supposedly raise ~3mill a month, that's like 100k a day.
Do you really believe that there are so many rich suckers that like to spend money on no product?
100k a day?
I don't buy it and neither should any of you.
100+ Million dollars and not even workable game engine? after 4 years+?
Wake up.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
While I understand what you are saying, I'd only partially agree with you on it. Granted I would think along the same lines as you, why would the company keep collecting money. I would think in terms of scope are they adjusting the scope to match the increase in funds, etc. I'm not sure what is going to happen, but it does seem rather funny this company. I can see why both sides are getting angry or disgruntled with the way the company is doing business. I'm always curious about the discussions in relation to this game. You have some passionate people on both sides.
In the end however, If I would have a guess, I would say that what will eventually be released will not be near any expectation that the people putting money in this project will have. Even still, I think there is to much negativity in regards to the game in general.
I also feel like it will have a significant impact on how crowdfunding will be monitored especially by the consumer.
IS CR better at raising money then he is at delivering a game? yes...
thats its..done over..no need to put blood icing on it jesus! Most toxic critics I have ever seen in any game ever.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
The game will never live up to and overcome the negative connotations attached to it.
It could very well end up being a good game. But when judged against the amount collected and the way it was collected. It will always be judged as not being good enough.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I dont know why so many have to turn this into a baby killing, mastermind money laundering scheme. Its just a guy who is better at raising money then delivering products on time. that is pretty much 99.9999% of the entire story
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Especially when the funds are crowdfunded. IMHO when your crowdfunding "fantastic profit" should be left on the backburner.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
What do you expect?
Fact is that the whole drama is only be seen by a smaller group as you might expect. Most potential buyers of SC know nothing about the whole thing (but might be easy victims of anti SC propaganda).
You expect the worst always?
I tend to agree. This is the part of the transparency that people can't handle. Never mind that Frontier raised $3 million through KS and then $80+ through an IPO, so essentially the same +/-
IMO, the continued sales ends up hurting you because you can't escape the fact that your funds have blown up. I think that the added pressure is that with the continual increase in funding, they also increase their responsibilities to their backers, while also increasing expectations on a non-linear curve, as their backer numbers and funding increase.
I think this prompted this frenzy of having to do something so crazy that it'll just blow people away. I think that if they had stayed the course and worked on completing incremental goals, or games, or modules, over time, similar to ED, then they would be much better off. Now, it simply looks like they're axing features left and right, when the reality is that these were all things that shouldn't have been started in the first place. I'd say there will be more pain before the end of the year, but ultimately, they'll probably shoot for SQ42 to get some incoming generated, then they'll hopefully have some other modules back on the rails at that point.
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as a gamer what is the difference in your purchases choices between these two descriptions:
-'a game where the creator is better at raising money but struggles deeply with actually producing something to the point where he may never do so'
and
-'a game where the creator is good a raising money but is taking off with it'
well zero actually. in both cases you are left with nothing to play. HOWEVER, the later (the option you are suggesting) implies he is smarter than the former.
think on that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I wouldn't think my comment is the worst possible outcome, just one of many plausible outcomes.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
That's ok, if your somewhat naive world view makes you sleep better at night, I say good for you.
I have a different point of view, more sceptical and borderline cynical, it comes with the territory of being older and hopefully wiser about how our world works.
Age also comes with a fine tuned bullshit radar.
And since i went all Freud on you today let me continue:
The only reason that i can think of why my opinion bothers you so much its because deep inside you feel there could be much truth in my 'analysis' of what's happening with SC.
What I'm saying is, if I was IRS I would open an investigation, if they haven't already.
Time will tell if I bullseyed the situation or missed it by a mile.
We'll see.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
Like the old saying goes: Nothing lasts forever!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
There is always room for more, more, more!
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
here is what I have issue with. this quote
'They have no incentive to release a product anytime soon. And they won't until funding levels start to drop drastically.'
how is that not the same for every game ever? If ubisoft could do the same thing, wouldnt they?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me