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The Comprehensive Guide to PVP in BDO - Black Desert Online News

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    DMKano said:
    How PvP really works after 45

    Gank will cost you 60k karma - max karma is 300k, dropping below 0 makes you a free kill.

    Strategy - gank until you drop down to under 60k but above zero (don't go into negative) - then go grind mobs for about 10min to get above 60k karma.

    Go gank again.

    Repeat infinitely - you can gank and never face any consequences - this is what RU and Korea servers are like.


    The obvious flaw in the system is that only looks at Karma as a metric, it doesn't track continues ganks followed by karma cleansing as abusive.

    ;)
    You know it's a lot different in the NA/EU version right? There will even be a bounty system.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    DMKano said:

    holyneo said:
    What do you get as a reward for killing someone, and losing karma? What makes it worth ganking people?

    Gankers do it to ruin others fun, and because they can.

    It's like knowing you are not supposed do something but some give the big middle finger to the system and do it anyway. 

    So they game the system by gank, karma cleanse - repeat .


    There will also be silver drops on kills.
  • JakdstripperJakdstripper Member RarePosts: 2,410


    Sounds just like L2. Lots of players were willing to grind mobs to clear their red names and it discouraged camping the same player all night.



    i agree, it also means that high levels can't just sit in one place and decimate lower levels over and over for hours on end, which sadly happens in every single open pvp game. at least with this system, once you kill 5 players, you need to take a break and go farm (during which time you are killable) if you want to remain in the positive.

    most hard core pvpers will be constantly at negative karma anyways (always red), and will get their other characters, or guild mates to bring them stuff they need to keep ganking.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843


    Sounds just like L2. Lots of players were willing to grind mobs to clear their red names and it discouraged camping the same player all night.



    i agree, it also means that high levels can't just sit in one place and decimate lower levels over and over for hours on end, which sadly happens in every single open pvp game. at least with this system, once you kill 5 players, you need to take a break and go farm (during which time you are killable) if you want to remain in the positive.

    most hard core pvpers will be constantly at negative karma anyways (always red), and will get their other characters, or guild mates to bring them stuff they need to keep ganking.
    Not every. Only ones who do not have risk and reward/penalty systems. Its your pve focused themeparks  that fall into the circumstances you wrote of. 

    Age of Wushu is a perfect example of risk reward/penalty making a civil FFA world. Unlike BDO where there pvp restriction will most likely be 50 (impossible to gank lowbies) or maybe 30, there was no restrictions in Wushu.  No restriction, but a lowbie being ganked was unheard of. 

    BDO pvp level restriction, plus risk reward/penalty systems. You wont have situations like you do in Blade & Soul where people are waiting outside the newbie area looking for newbs with the opposite faction costume one...
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    DMKano said:
    bcbully said:
    DMKano said:
    How PvP really works after 45

    Gank will cost you 60k karma - max karma is 300k, dropping below 0 makes you a free kill.

    Strategy - gank until you drop down to under 60k but above zero (don't go into negative) - then go grind mobs for about 10min to get above 60k karma.

    Go gank again.

    Repeat infinitely - you can gank and never face any consequences - this is what RU and Korea servers are like.


    The obvious flaw in the system is that only looks at Karma as a metric, it doesn't track continues ganks followed by karma cleansing as abusive.

    ;)
    You know it's a lot different in the NA/EU version right? There will even be a bounty system.


    The bounty system is a bit of a joke - especially if you dont drop below 0 karma - setting bounty for a positive karma player will cost a lot.

    The bounty system is really meant for negative karma players, which again gankers won't do because they will always stay in positive karma.

    Also bounties expire and bounty hunter can easily be avoided by jumping to another channel.


    It's a good idea just poorly executed.
    Hmm the NA/EU sever structure is different from JP RU KR structure. There will only be a couple/few channels on NA/EU. You have to be in safe area like a major town as well. The made the NA/EU structure with the goal of not being able to avoid game mechanics. 

    Bounties take days to expire based on the amount. 

    I don't think any of us can say poorly executed at this point in time. As it looks right now it's the second best system on the market.... 
  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    edited February 2016

    Celestian said:

    The PVP system is really wonky. I get that they don't want you ganking people that are low but getting a karma hit for fighting people your own level just seems silly.



    You have to FLAG for PVP. The system is almost like WoW PVE server ... I just don't get how this is the new "sandbox" dreamscape people are claiming it to be...The endgame for BDO is suppose to be PVP but you'll be grinding out endless karma repair if you PVP against anyone not "flagged"????



    It would be far better if you just got perma-flagged PVP at 50 and be done with it.

    Allow me to unWonky it. If both parties Want to PvP in the open world, there is no penalty whatsoever. If the intent is to grief someone minding their own business, then there will be a Karma penalty. Since it is a PvP game there should be plenty of people flagged for PvP. When the Low Karma town is implemented I'm sure there will be plenty of willing PvPers in the area.

    But if the goal of Open World PvP is non-consensual PvP, with an opponent at less than 30% Health currently engaged in PvE. Then maybe.....

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    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    edited February 2016
    Cervani said:
    You know, I don't really get what people think is PvP about ganking someone. I mean, do you get some rush off killing an unsuspecting player? I just don't really see the fun in ganking an unsuspecting player and then feeling accomplished by it.
    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    Ozmodan said:
    Here is all you need to know about this game for the pvpers.  Be prepared to open you pocketbook!  To be competitive you will have to spend money and lots of it.  The current cash shop will be greatly expanded soon for all the foolish pvpers.
    Gosh, so games aren't really free?  You mean they expect people who enjoy the game to pay for it?

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • JakdstripperJakdstripper Member RarePosts: 2,410


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.


    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude.
  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Scot said:
    The level you all become tagged for PvP is not specified, nor how close that is to top level. So 30 out of 50 would be far more meaningful.

    at release the level for flagged PvP is 50
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  • marcustmarcust Member UncommonPosts: 495
    Do you lose XP when you die like in L2?

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  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    marcust said:
    Do you lose XP when you die like in L2?
    Yes and no. If you flag up in PvP you loose 1% exp unless you're outlaw (under 0 karma) which you loose 2% and some other penalties which I just stated in this post.

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/446385/whats-the-pvp-setup-for-this-game#latest


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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    bcbully said:

    I don't think any of us can say poorly executed at this point in time. As it looks right now it's the second best system on the market.... 
    You have to take into consideration that this is not a Trion game, hence certain individuals start their usual agenda like every time a new game gets close to release.

    This very informative topic on BDO's PVP has not even reached it's 3rd page and already contains 10 postings from Kano preaching against it in his usual "my posts are facts while yours are just opinion" fashion.

    Up to you if it's worth argueing against.

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  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    I'm just a bit concerned that the rewards for having a region or node are not enough.  It does seem that because they are a bit afraid of risk vs reward with the weak reward system.  That burning desire for your guild to go after a region or node won't be there.  And without a very rewarding siege system there is no ultimate goal.  Maybe I am missing something here.  
  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.
    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude. 
    But True none the less.  

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    edited February 2016
    Mardukk said:
    I'm just a bit concerned that the rewards for having a region or node are not enough.  It does seem that because they are a bit afraid of risk vs reward with the weak reward system.  That burning desire for your guild to go after a region or node won't be there.  And without a very rewarding siege system there is no ultimate goal.  Maybe I am missing something here.  
    As it stands, there are Taxation rewards and buffs.  What other rewards do you feel are needed?  Have you read, Guide: How to Claim Territory in BDO’s Siege System? The region rewards are substantial.  The node is considered a starting or level siege, and the reward reflects that.

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    DMKano said:

    Cervani said:
    You know, I don't really get what people think is PvP about ganking someone. I mean, do you get some rush off killing an unsuspecting player? I just don't really see the fun in ganking an unsuspecting player and then feeling accomplished by it.

    The rush is getting a rise out of someone - it's similar to why people troll others.

    Some also enjoy to ruin others fun. 
    Freudian slip...
     
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    Konfess said:


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.
    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude. 
    But True none the less.  
    Probably not. That's pretty much based on what?


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  • KonfessKonfess Member RarePosts: 1,667
    Sovrath said:
    Konfess said:


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.
    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude. 
    But True none the less.  
    Probably not. That's pretty much based on what?


    I suspect the reason someone has difficulty understanding this concept is because they are focused on the difference between PvP and Sex.  True they are different and supposedly unrelated things.  So don't focus the terms PvP and Sex, be only concerned with Consensual vs Non-Consensual.  In Consensual, both parties agree to participate to their mutual enjoyment.  In Non-Consensual, one party does not agree or gives permission.  The other party is exerting force, domination, and control.  Usually the goal is to subjugate or humiliate the non-compliant party.  This is where the connection is derived.

    I hope this explanation has made everything clear to everyone.  I would recommend seeking a professional at a local university or community college to answer any further questions anyone may still have.

    Pardon any spelling errors
    Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven
    Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
    Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
    As if it could exist, without being payed for.
    F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
    Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
    It costs money to play.  Therefore P2W.

  • sivousplaysivousplay Member UncommonPosts: 15
    This is going to sound really naive, but why would anyone participate in the open world pvp? Other than whatever joy is derived from simply killing another character, it doesn't sound like there are any reinforcements for the behavior. I could see if it was like other games where you can "take some of their stuff", but I'm not seeing anything like that in BDO.

    Am I missing something.
    thanks.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited February 2016

    DMKano said:

    How PvP really works after 45



    Gank will cost you 60k karma - max karma is 300k, dropping below 0 makes you a free kill.



    Strategy - gank until you drop down to under 60k but above zero (don't go into negative) - then go grind mobs for about 10min to get above 60k karma.



    Go gank again.



    Repeat infinitely - you can gank and never face any consequences - this is what RU and Korea servers are like.





    The obvious flaw in the system is that only looks at Karma as a metric, it doesn't track continues ganks followed by karma cleansing as abusive.



    ;)



    as more people report that metric flaw, devs apply fixes as they see fit. Maybe not, but maybe yes. Despite that flaw, for a non pvper like me, i like how the karma system sounds. Of course its not written in stone, they can always adjust things.... like that flaw you just gave away.




  • AkesukeAkesuke Member UncommonPosts: 29
    edited June 2016
    I'm curious to check the PvP especially with Ninja class, if it's similar to the thief class of GW2 which I'm accustomed to
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    edited February 2016
    Konfess said:
    Sovrath said:
    Konfess said:


    I'm going to answer your question, knowing full well that my theory if very controversial.  But that doesn't make it any less true.

    Non-Consensual PvP is a substitute for fulfilling a Non-Consensual Sex fantasy.  This is why developer either don't permit it or put penalties in place to limit it.  No developer wants their game to be know as the Number One Rape Simulator.  Few speak it, but it crosses everyone's minds.
    did you just call every full loot pvp game a rape simulator? AND all those that play them non-consensual sex fantasizers? ....... that's a bit harsh dude. 
    But True none the less.  
    Probably not. That's pretty much based on what?


    I suspect the reason someone has difficulty understanding this concept is because they are focused on the difference between PvP and Sex.  True they are different and supposedly unrelated things.  So don't focus the terms PvP and Sex, be only concerned with Consensual vs Non-Consensual.  In Consensual, both parties agree to participate to their mutual enjoyment.  In Non-Consensual, one party does not agree or gives permission.  The other party is exerting force, domination, and control.  Usually the goal is to subjugate or humiliate the non-compliant party.  This is where the connection is derived.

    I hope this explanation has made everything clear to everyone.  I would recommend seeking a professional at a local university or community college to answer any further questions anyone may still have.
    So you are basically saying "don't focus on them being different because they are but look at the similarity and then, in that light they are the same?

    "Consensual" and "Non-Consensual" can be colored in multiple ways.

    When I was young my mother would make me do a lot of chores. This was non-consensual because I didn't want to do them but she had the power. However, there were times I would do chores (consensual) because I felt they needed to be done.

    Are you going to then try to link my mother's desire to force me into something I don't want to do with something else it has nothing to do with?

    This just sounds to me like you want to make a correlation to something based on some agenda.

    And I'll remind you that in a pvp game, logging in knowing it is a pvp game is consent just like playing tackle footbal is consent to the rules of the game and the idea of "being tackled".
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  • AkesukeAkesuke Member UncommonPosts: 29
    edited June 2016
    BTW I'm playing Tamer class in the while and it seems fun, I also have a beastie by my side defending me ^^
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,941
    funfreak said:
    Torval said:
    funfreak said:
    this system is really exciting as I like player interaction even though usually I'm not good at pvp, at the same time it's worrying me a bit ...
    I'm wondering if there is any class that can be stealth for a decent amount of time to escape from unwanted fights, while I played witch I didn't notice any stealth skills but I stopped at low level
    Sorc has a stealthy super speed escape type of skill. I think it's on a 5 minute cooldown.
    Thanks, I have found it, the name is Emergency Escape though the website says that it's available to all classes : http://bddatabase.net/us/skill/92/


    It definitely is as I discovered it quite by accident and was a bit shocked "why am I a glowing smoky ball"?
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