Well once a month I go to site to check out any new stuff. I'm still conflicted about jumping in. Right now am not trusting any kickstarters and I don't think I need to say why.
Yeah I get them all mixed up but then taking 14 pills a day and soon to be 62 it can be a bitch sometimes. To you I say don't get old it sucks.
Disagree. WoW clones are no more. None even on the horizon so not sure where you are coming up with 20 more years. In fact can't even think of one that has been made now in some time (Rift the last one?). Making games has always been "wait and see". Why should we fund this stuff? MMORPG's seem to be the only genre constantly getting fleeced. Let them make it and if it reviews good then we will buy it. Don't forget the Kickstarter for this game failed MISERABLY like 2 years ago. I get it, you have the game in your sig and you love it to death but my god...
If you really believe the MMOs that have been coming out up to and including this year, since RIFT, are not derivatives of WoW and the casual paradigm, I think you need your lookers checked.
PS. Pantheon kickstarter failed because they had little to show, were totally unprepared, and next to no one even knew it existed. I didn't even know about the game at that point... and yet it made almost half a million towards an 800k goal. I think you should also reconsider what a kickstarter failing miserably looks like.
It's hard to take anything you say seriously. It's obvious you are a huge fan of this game and it can do no wrong. But you won't convince many people when your huge Pantheon signature pops up with each post. You will never be objective to this game. So everyone should take anything you say with a grain of salt.
I love the fact that my signature offends so many people.
I mean, I even went as far as to say, support SOMETHING, not necessarily Pantheon, if the game stands to offer an experience you truly miss that is no longer available. As I said, its pretty clear at this point that short of a miracle, most likely fostered by fans, we aren't going to see the MMO many of us want to play ever again; That saddens me.
The difference between me and many of you, is obviously that it means more to me to play an MMORPG again. That's fine, we all have our interests, hobbys, things we like or even love. I'm willing to look past the shortcomings of companies and developers and part with a few of my hard earned dollars because I remember how much fun MMOs used to be, and simply hope that maybe - just maybe - we could experience them again.
That's fine and I hope for your sake it launches. But you can see why someone might take what you say with a grain of salt when speaking of this game. It's not a personal attack at you. I hope you understand that.
BTW, I don't understand why you think your sig offended me. Not even close, it's just hard to believe you would be objective with a sig like that. Hope that clears that up.
Disagree. WoW clones are no more. None even on the horizon so not sure where you are coming up with 20 more years. In fact can't even think of one that has been made now in some time (Rift the last one?). Making games has always been "wait and see". Why should we fund this stuff? MMORPG's seem to be the only genre constantly getting fleeced. Let them make it and if it reviews good then we will buy it. Don't forget the Kickstarter for this game failed MISERABLY like 2 years ago. I get it, you have the game in your sig and you love it to death but my god...
If you really believe the MMOs that have been coming out up to and including this year, since RIFT, are not derivatives of WoW and the casual paradigm, I think you need your lookers checked.
PS. Pantheon kickstarter failed because they had little to show, were totally unprepared, and next to no one even knew it existed. I didn't even know about the game at that point... and yet it made almost half a million towards an 800k goal. I think you should also reconsider what a kickstarter failing miserably looks like.
It's hard to take anything you say seriously. It's obvious you are a huge fan of this game and it can do no wrong. But you won't convince many people when your huge Pantheon signature pops up with each post. You will never be objective to this game. So everyone should take anything you say with a grain of salt.
I love the fact that my signature offends so many people.
I mean, I even went as far as to say, support SOMETHING, not necessarily Pantheon, if the game stands to offer an experience you truly miss that is no longer available. As I said, its pretty clear at this point that short of a miracle, most likely fostered by fans, we aren't going to see the MMO many of us want to play ever again; That saddens me.
The difference between me and many of you, is obviously that it means more to me to play an MMORPG again. That's fine, we all have our interests, hobbys, things we like or even love. I'm willing to look past the shortcomings of companies and developers and part with a few of my hard earned dollars because I remember how much fun MMOs used to be, and simply hope that maybe - just maybe - we could experience them again.
That's fine and I hope for your sake it launches. But you can see why someone might take what you say with a grain of salt when speaking of this game. It's not a personal attack at you. I hope you understand that.
BTW, I don't understand why you think your sig offended me. Not even close, it's just hard to believe you would be objective with a sig like that. Hope that clears that up.
My sig is merely there to get the word out that there is an actual MMORPG being made again. If there was no Pantheon, that sig would probably say Saga of Lucimia. I could try to deceive people by pretending I don't care about Pantheon and make remarks as a supposed unbiased observer, but why? The things I say stand on their own, sig or not, to the intelligent reader with any objectivity.
Biggest problem here is having smed's name involved. Good or bad people are only going to see the bad with Smed involved. Sad really because I loved what he created for us many many moons before. You should have never listed his name associated with the game. At least then you would of had a shot.
I hope the game gets made and I hope it is great. I pray it is so great it helps clear smeds name with gamers. Good luck!
I don't buy into Kickstarter or crowd-funding games. I want a playable product with no wipes before I will contribute my money. I would prefer a demo or trial period for MMOs so I can get a better idea if it is my type of game before I pay anything. I'm not going to drop $100 on a "promise" of a game being completed, or take the risk that the game will develop into something I'm not interested in playing.
Get it close to finished. Let me play an open beta. Then, we'll see if I spend money on it.
What syntax42 said.. I strongly believe that all those early access etc are partly responsible for people losing interest on the upcoming games.. By the time a game that was in early access, is ready , people already have lost interest in it.
Id pledge if I could get instant access to alpha play. edit: Oh, for $100 Id have to think about it. Id go $50.
This right here is part of the problem today. People think alpha's and beta's are for playing. They are for testing not just playing the game. If you are in an alpha or beta and are not trying to break the game, look for everything you can find wrong and are just playing you are wrong.
A long time ago developers actually paid people to test their games now we have people like this that pay the developer instead.
The only problem with "wait and see", is that we've reached the point where its obvious that no big money Studio has the desire or the understanding of how to make an MMO like those we experienced in this genre's infancy. Those modern gamers who are happy with the current state of affairs, I completely understand your reasoning. For the rest of you, I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now.
I find this post really insulting. Surely that "someone" should be the company trying to make the game.
The only problem with "wait and see", is that we've reached the point where its obvious that no big money Studio has the desire or the understanding of how to make an MMO like those we experienced in this genre's infancy. Those modern gamers who are happy with the current state of affairs, I completely understand your reasoning. For the rest of you, I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now.
I find this post really insulting. Surely that "someone" should be the company trying to make the game.
I think in a thread about crowdfunding, it probably should go without saying that MMOs aren't something a small company of people can realistically fund themselves. Its also kind of implied that this crowdfunded money is becoming more necessary as VC and investors in general are wary of this type of game.
Getting the obvious out of the way, that leaves those players who say they want another MMO other than the variety currently being offered. Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
The only problem with "wait and see", is that we've reached the point where its obvious that no big money Studio has the desire or the understanding of how to make an MMO like those we experienced in this genre's infancy. Those modern gamers who are happy with the current state of affairs, I completely understand your reasoning. For the rest of you, I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now.
I find this post really insulting. Surely that "someone" should be the company trying to make the game.
I think in a thread about crowdfunding, it probably should go without saying that MMOs aren't something a small company of people can realistically fund themselves. Its also kind of implied that this crowdfunded money is becoming more necessary as VC and investors in general are wary of this type of game.
Getting the obvious out of the way, that leaves those players who say they want another MMO other than the variety currently being offered. Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
That is very different from what you said in the original post:
" I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now."
Its just a guilt tripping sales pitch to grab donation money, and it is insulting and arrogant on so many levels. Actually reminds me of that guy Renfail a bit, perhaps you guys should hook up.
Dullahan said: Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
That's not really a message you want to put out there - help pay for development costs or go away.
Personally I am more than a little put out with the number of posts being made here now to give money, give money, give money. And now the message is, if you don't give money go away?
You are helping no one with that. I'll give money when and if I damn well please, and I am under no obligation to do so.
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Really, based on the last few years of Alpha's, Beta's, KS games, pledging etc....I just want to buy a finished game...
A finished game without a cash shop or anything outside of the game affecting what my character can or cannot do inside the game....
So while I really want this game to succeed I really want the way games are currently developed to die...but I also don't want a return to publishers without a clue how to make a game deciding how to make a game.....why God why!!!
I think it's merely a matter of missteps the company has already had in this development cycle. Whether you've been waiting for a game like this or not, anytime you talk about Pantheon your going to hear about the money issues back around the KS's as well as the original team leaving and all of their gripes.
That will cause anyone to rethink giving this team money whether deserved or not. That will be a hard mountain for many to climb until there is a provable demo with more than just hold over art to excite players enough. I hate to say this but I think this game has an image problem and until their closer to a playable game, it will be hard for them to gain pledges.
Two years ago I pledged. I am happy I did, however I am at the point of my life that to do so was not a financial concern. To those of you that cannot, or are reserved - that is okay. You are all actually very valuable in other ways:
-obviously, when the game launches or when you do decide to purchase/play you will be supporting the game monetarily then - the game will need a steady stream of income and a steady stream of players- not just everything front-loaded.
- You are supporting the game and helping the game take shape by talking about it in these forums (and others) right now. Continue to post; it provides feedback and it advertises the game as well.
-Spreading the word to others - "hey there is this game you should take a look out/keep an eye out for"
-If you are on the fence about this style of gameplay, I would hold off and trial it. This is a niche game. I am sure VRI would rather have satisfied customers than moneygrab.
Yes the game needs money to survive but it also needs a stable base of players and fans to support it. In order to have satisfied customers they have to want to part with their money and feel good that they did. This may happen at different points of development for different people. And that is okay and healthy for the game itself. I myself feel good for supporting it in development however I know this is what I want and can part with my money easily. I would have felt bad if I did not do everything I could to help this game develop and it failed to have the support it needed. I feel good providing that help to the team. Everyone is in a different situation in life and in gaming habits - there is no one solution for everyone - one of the reasons why there are different pledge levels. Keep abreast about development. Post on the forums and help enlighten what Pantheon is really about - that may even do more good then just throwing down a Benjamin
Id pledge if I could get instant access to alpha play. edit: Oh, for $100 Id have to think about it. Id go $50.
This right here is part of the problem today. People think alpha's and beta's are for playing.
Even though I used the words "alpha play" that doesnt mean that I wouldnt test. Alpha access is for both testing AND playing. Because if you arent playing then you arent testing how it plays. Right now Im in Project Gorgon alpha and have reported a great number of bugs and suggestions.
Why don't these people go on Shark tank and try to con rich people into giving them money. I'll pledge 20 bucks for which I get 25 back when the game is canceled.
As someone else has already stated, I'm a consumer, not an investor. I'm not going to put my money in something that could possibly end up being vaporware. When the game does go live I will be one of the first in line to pick it up.
Dullahan said: Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
That's not really a message you want to put out there - help pay for development costs or go away.
Personally I am more than a little put out with the number of posts being made here now to give money, give money, give money. And now the message is, if you don't give money go away?
You are helping no one with that. I'll give money when and if I damn well please, and I am under no obligation to do so.
That isn't what I said though. (Edit) In fact, I just reread everything to see if it could even loosely be interpreted as such, and it could not - Learn to read. I was speaking very much in general of all the people who have for many years now claimed they want a "real" MMORPG again, and who are "so tired of MMOs these days." That has been thrown around here every day for a decade now tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of times. THOSE are the people who need to step up and help make such games (again, since you missed it the first 2 times, NOT necessarily Pantheon) a reality, or shut up and be happy with the gruel they've been served.
That isn't what I said though. I was speaking very much in general of all the people who have for many years now claimed they want a "real" MMORPG again, and who are "so tired of MMOs these days." That has been thrown around here every day for a decade now. THOSE are the people who need to step up and help make such games a reality, or shut up and be happy with the gruel they've been served.
That is an interesting distinction. Certainly I am not one of those people, because although I miss EQ and EQ style play, I have also enjoyed many other games that you and some others see as gruel.
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The only problem with "wait and see", is that we've reached the point where its obvious that no big money Studio has the desire or the understanding of how to make an MMO like those we experienced in this genre's infancy. Those modern gamers who are happy with the current state of affairs, I completely understand your reasoning. For the rest of you, I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now.
I find this post really insulting. Surely that "someone" should be the company trying to make the game.
I think in a thread about crowdfunding, it probably should go without saying that MMOs aren't something a small company of people can realistically fund themselves. Its also kind of implied that this crowdfunded money is becoming more necessary as VC and investors in general are wary of this type of game.
Getting the obvious out of the way, that leaves those players who say they want another MMO other than the variety currently being offered. Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
I want this game to come out but its not that simple. Everyone could fund this game and it still has a chance it wont release. Bard could dip into the funds, the game itself may not be fun and not worth releasing. They may release it and not pull in enough fans to float the game. This game as far as crowd funded games go, it high risk. Many people dont chuck out $100 bones on maybe. Myself I could easy but I would rather spend my fun money on something I know will pay out.
That is really beneath you Dullahan. I read quite well thank you. Your comment was not clear, but I accepted your later clarification.
It was perfectly clear, and placed into context by both the previous sentence and my previous posts which I referenced, all of which you ignored. You really had to go out of your way to conclude that I demanded people pay for Pantheon or leave.
I pledged on the kickstarter (only time I have done this, and it failed, so I still have not done it.). They then came out with a sub thing to their forums, which I wasn't a big fan of. I know a few people looking forward to this game that I am playing AA with. I am still open to $50ish, and will keep an eye on it. If I lose $50, my life isn't going to end, and it isn't like I throw $50 down on everything people ask. EQ/VG are in my top 5 MMOs of all time. I also like that they will not be doing freemium, it is one of my biggest dislikes, which is odd, with me playing AA I will admit. I didn't play MMOs for a long time, due to freemium/cash shop stuff. I like to buy and sub personally.
Promised crafting, harvesting, and diplomacy better than or equal to what vanguard had by the time its released and I'd pledge in a heartbeat. I don't care about anything else they would have to offer. If its a PVE game than I want to get lost with games within the game while chatting with people, I miss that and have nothing for that right now.
My main game is Darkfall but their crafting is just getting mats and then clicking a button.. nothing else to it.
I have crafted in many games.. but theres not much to choose from.
So I play EQ2 to get my crafting fix right now and its really out of date and very lame compared to Vanguard I wish Vanguard was back since its been gone Ive missed it terribly. Its fun mindless activity though while chatting with people and listening to music.
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Yeah I get them all mixed up but then taking 14 pills a day and soon to be 62 it can be a bitch sometimes. To you I say don't get old it sucks.
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BTW, I don't understand why you think your sig offended me. Not even close, it's just hard to believe you would be objective with a sig like that. Hope that clears that up.
A long time ago developers actually paid people to test their games now we have people like this that pay the developer instead.
I find this post really insulting. Surely that "someone" should be the company trying to make the game.
Exactly.
Getting the obvious out of the way, that leaves those players who say they want another MMO other than the variety currently being offered. Yes, they should put there money where their mouth is, or shut up and go play whatever korean mmo got ported over this month or the next WoW expansion.
That is very different from what you said in the original post:
" I can't help but doubt your love for this kind of game if you haven't gone out and backed something that sounds like a game you would play - be it Pantheon or any other indie title.
If someone doesn't put their money where their mouth is now, chances are we'll still be seeing WoW and Destiny clones 20 years from now."
Its just a guilt tripping sales pitch to grab donation money, and it is insulting and arrogant on so many levels. Actually reminds me of that guy Renfail a bit, perhaps you guys should hook up.
Personally I am more than a little put out with the number of posts being made here now to give money, give money, give money. And now the message is, if you don't give money go away?
You are helping no one with that. I'll give money when and if I damn well please, and I am under no obligation to do so.
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A finished game without a cash shop or anything outside of the game affecting what my character can or cannot do inside the game....
So while I really want this game to succeed I really want the way games are currently developed to die...but I also don't want a return to publishers without a clue how to make a game deciding how to make a game.....why God why!!!
That will cause anyone to rethink giving this team money whether deserved or not. That will be a hard mountain for many to climb until there is a provable demo with more than just hold over art to excite players enough. I hate to say this but I think this game has an image problem and until their closer to a playable game, it will be hard for them to gain pledges.
-obviously, when the game launches or when you do decide to purchase/play you will be supporting the game monetarily then - the game will need a steady stream of income and a steady stream of players- not just everything front-loaded.
- You are supporting the game and helping the game take shape by talking about it in these forums (and others) right now. Continue to post; it provides feedback and it advertises the game as well.
-Spreading the word to others - "hey there is this game you should take a look out/keep an eye out for"
-If you are on the fence about this style of gameplay, I would hold off and trial it. This is a niche game. I am sure VRI would rather have satisfied customers than moneygrab.
Yes the game needs money to survive but it also needs a stable base of players and fans to support it. In order to have satisfied customers they have to want to part with their money and feel good that they did. This may happen at different points of development for different people. And that is okay and healthy for the game itself. I myself feel good for supporting it in development however I know this is what I want and can part with my money easily. I would have felt bad if I did not do everything I could to help this game develop and it failed to have the support it needed. I feel good providing that help to the team. Everyone is in a different situation in life and in gaming habits - there is no one solution for everyone - one of the reasons why there are different pledge levels. Keep abreast about development. Post on the forums and help enlighten what Pantheon is really about - that may even do more good then just throwing down a Benjamin
Even though I used the words "alpha play" that doesnt mean that I wouldnt test. Alpha access is for both testing AND playing. Because if you arent playing then you arent testing how it plays. Right now Im in Project Gorgon alpha and have reported a great number of bugs and suggestions.
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My main game is Darkfall but their crafting is just getting mats and then clicking a button.. nothing else to it.
I have crafted in many games.. but theres not much to choose from.
So I play EQ2 to get my crafting fix right now and its really out of date and very lame compared to Vanguard I wish Vanguard was back since its been gone Ive missed it terribly. Its fun mindless activity though while chatting with people and listening to music.
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