He wasn't saying the guy was weak and that he should kill himself...
He's saying suicide and suicide attempts are selfish. He was trying to be hard on the guy so he doesn't do it again.
Not hope he goes through with it next time...
Here's the incident if you didn't watch it.
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It is all harrasment he did in the stream, he opened with personal harrasment, and closed it with personal harrasment.
This is typical experience I felt in SMITE from the negative community for like a half year. Always only how they experience things without accepting how other people experience things.
Suicide is not selfish at all, it is the very end to step away from anything that is consumeing you, and not everything you can run away from. I never had this feeling myself, but I will just accept it that there is people who experience this feeling.
Why personal? He said even he did not want to see or hear such messages, that he dont want anyone to receive that credit, but saying at the same time there is ways to get help what to me is giveing someone credit too. Why cant it been truely maybe him? This is all a personal explosion he did to someone that does not deserve this negative feeling. Because someone from a point in this experience, does not want to feel a failure or bad again about anything he did, in this situation even a donation.
Say what you want about me, but the streamer is all wrong to done this, even with the small ellaboration in the middle with his intention, closing it personal negative again is one total harrasment.
He doesn't want to take the credit for getting him through his suicidal period because he wants the donor to realize that it was his own strength that got him through it.
I don't see how you interpret the end to be harassment. Is it because he cursed?
"You're stronger than you think you are. Stop giving that credit to other fucking people."
That's not meant to be insulting. It's meant to be empowering.
I get that his delivery is abrasive. First of all, he's an abrasive guy. But secondly he's doing it here on purpose because he wants to alert the donor to his message. He wants the donor to realize that he's strong.
Ultimately it's a caring message. He knows that the only way someone can get through depression or especially deep suicidal depression is through personal strength. He's trying to help the donor find that strength.
He say that someone do that on their own strengh, and not giveing it to other F... people. As ending, is harrasment.
Music, films, games. All ways to feel something, heck even I had times becomeing addictive to games and later realized I was living them, once after that experience for years I now see games as a game.
So its harrasing to say to someone to not giveing credit, in a donation that has passed down. Leaving someone with a negative feeling again.
I do understand his intention and message clearly, but we must keep it to the whole presentation and see it as a whole, then it is harrasing because the deeds have been done, and the suicide feelings have been passed down too, by the experience someone feel that in this experience included his work.
Due to the nature of stigma surrounding this topic, it was difficult for me to relay the following opinion. I stared at this post for quite awhile after I finished typing it (I deleted it once, restarted, wrote it again), knowing well enough that there would be people reading it who wouldn't understand, and wouldn't want to understand. Ultimately, it's something I think about very frequently, every day, and it deserves to be said, even if it's simply an act of catharsis:
DM Brandon's argument is widely adopted, and as someone who deals with this shit on a daily basis, it's entirely ridiculous to assume that the individuals being selfish in this scenario are the people with mental health issues and a desire to die. What's selfish is expecting these people to stick around so your loved ones can have their trophy son, or their trophy friend, or whatever else the fuck you want to call it, rather than the people needlessly keeping someone around who legitimately doesn't want to live anymore (sometimes due to extreme physical pain, or emotional torment, or psychological disorders, sometimes brought on by the very same family or friends) solely so you don't have to deal with the fallout. Sometimes you have to let people go. It's shitty, and a real burden, but life isn't a gift for everyone, and it isn't as sacred as some of us would like to believe.
That being said, I think people need to get help if they feel this way. I've tried for years and none of the solutions offered by therapists or psychiatrists ever alleviated the suffering, but that doesn't apply to everyone (I've always felt less depressed and suicidal when I -wasn't- seeing doctors and therapists to fix the problem). If someone presents a path that solves similar issues, you should at least attempt to take it. It may work for you.
What I'm saying here could probably be viewed as controversial to many people, but I have real experience with this as a survivor, not to my inclination, of several suicide attempts. You're more than welcome to feel differently.
Thanks for writing this.
I debated about responding to this thread initially and then decided against it. However, your response almost mirrors my own attitude. I knew someone who actually committed suicide and they were in severe pain and found no relief after many attempts. For them suicide was a relief and never looked it as a selfish act. I miss this person and think of them often but in the end I really believe what they did was the right thing for them.
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
While his message was delivered in an unecessarily caustic manner, it was spot on IMO.
Suicide is not acceptable, and it is a selfish thing to do. (the "stupid" remark was uncalled for)
Dismissing him was the right move, these WWF/MMA/Internet tough guy attitudes need to be given the heave ho, so civility can return to human interactions.
How about you live with my depression , severe OCD and agoraphobia and then start saying suicide is not acceptable.
While his message was delivered in an unecessarily caustic manner, it was spot on IMO.
Suicide is not acceptable, and it is a selfish thing to do. (the "stupid" remark was uncalled for)
Dismissing him was the right move, these WWF/MMA/Internet tough guy attitudes need to be given the heave ho, so civility can return to human interactions.
How about you live with my depression , severe OCD and agoraphobia and then start saying suicide is not acceptable.
No, not acceptable, all treatable mental health conditions. I hope you and the two people who agreed with you are reaching out and getting help from friends, family, church and professionals to manage your issues.
You're making the stereotypical incorrect assumption that someone suffering from a mental illness has the ability to think about solutions as clearly as someone who is not.
That's what makes what you're saying dead wrong and what the twitch asshat said reprehensible.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
Or more likely because people who are not mentally ill can have this discussion about the selfishness of suicide semi-objectively.
But give your heads a shake. A random twitch viewer tells the world that he had been contemplating suicide and that watching a lame twitch stream helped him not do it... do you think you're dealing with a stable individual that can have that discussion about the finer points of suicide?
Any idiot with an ounce of empathy would immediately know you're dealing with someone who is still disturbed and would know that you don't deal with someone with depression, which typically includes feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing, by berating them and telling them to fuck off.
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
Or more likely because people who are not mentally ill can have this discussion about the selfishness of suicide semi-objectively.
But give your heads a shake. A random twitch viewer tells the world that he had been contemplating suicide and that watching a lame twitch stream helped him not do it... do you think you're dealing with a stable individual that can have that discussion about the finer points of suicide?
Any idiot with an ounce of empathy would immediately know you're dealing with someone who is still disturbed and would know that you don't deal with someone with depression, which typically includes feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing, by berating them and telling them to fuck off.
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
I made a comment about how people typically don't even read an article and react to it, you say I'm defending what is said, rather than commenting on forums in general, who's going through contortions again?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
How many people tell singers their music helped them?
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
Maybe they just think the same as him from some of the posts i would say that is probably most likely.
Some don't like death and can't talk about it my mum is the same i did't tell her when i was out it was just all dark no bright lights or firey hell just blank.
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
How many people tell singers their music helped them?
I'm sure plenty of people have, that has what to do with people reading headlines only and reacting to them?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
Maybe they just think the same as him from some of the posts i would say that is probably most likely.
Some don't like death and can't talk about it my mum is the same i did't tell her when i was out it was just all dark no bright lights or firey hell just blank.
Well the irony is that I 100% agree that in most circumstances (I make an exception for those suffering through a very painful or debilitating non-treatable illness) suicide is a senseless, selfish act.
But I also know that it's not a conversation you have with those who are depressed enough to be considering it because the nature of their illness prevents them from being rational about it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Due to the nature of stigma surrounding this topic, it was difficult for me to relay the following opinion. I stared at this post for quite awhile after I finished typing it (I deleted it once, restarted, wrote it again), knowing well enough that there would be people reading it who wouldn't understand, and wouldn't want to understand. Ultimately, it's something I think about very frequently, every day, and it deserves to be said, even if it's simply an act of catharsis:
DM Brandon's argument is widely adopted, and as someone who deals with this shit on a daily basis, it's entirely ridiculous to assume that the individuals being selfish in this scenario are the people with mental health issues and a desire to die. What's selfish is expecting these people to stick around so your loved ones can have their trophy son, or their trophy friend, or whatever else the fuck you want to call it, rather than the people needlessly keeping someone around who legitimately doesn't want to live anymore (sometimes due to extreme physical pain, or emotional torment, or psychological disorders, sometimes brought on by the very same family or friends) solely so you don't have to deal with the fallout. Sometimes you have to let people go. It's shitty, and a real burden, but life isn't a gift for everyone, and it isn't as sacred as some of us would like to believe.
That being said, I think people need to get help if they feel this way. I've tried for years and none of the solutions offered by therapists or psychiatrists ever alleviated the suffering, but that doesn't apply to everyone (I've always felt less depressed and suicidal when I -wasn't- seeing doctors and therapists to fix the problem). If someone presents a path that solves similar issues, you should at least attempt to take it. It may work for you.
What I'm saying here could probably be viewed as controversial to many people, but I have real experience with this as a survivor, not to my inclination, of several suicide attempts. You're more than welcome to feel differently.
Things can (and do) change. That's the thing.
The only time when suicide is not selfish is when it's a terminal disease, because that's guaranteed not to change (although technically you never know how medicine is going to progress, and doctors giving diagnoses are not always right). Even then, it's somewhat selfish (but reasonably so).
A suicide is going to cause irrecoverable and terrible pain to loved ones. And if it's because of depression, it's ultimately just plain unnecessary, because in a years time you may have come out of it, or at least stabilized to the point where you don't want to die.
And that's just talking about the pain a suicide causes other people. It's not even mentioning the fact that you're throwing away any possible future happiness you might have experienced.
It's almost always the dumbest possible solution to any problem.
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
Maybe they just think the same as him from some of the posts i would say that is probably most likely.
Some don't like death and can't talk about it my mum is the same i did't tell her when i was out it was just all dark no bright lights or firey hell just blank.
No I don't think the same as him, nor do I shy away from talking about death, when you're told you won't see 40 and you're 37 it becomes a rather easy subject to handle honestly. Anyway...My comment had nothing to do with this guy's feelings on suicide, or what he said. My point is most commenting probably don't even know what he actually said.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
Or more likely because people who are not mentally ill can have this discussion about the selfishness of suicide semi-objectively.
But give your heads a shake. A random twitch viewer tells the world that he had been contemplating suicide and that watching a lame twitch stream helped him not do it... do you think you're dealing with a stable individual that can have that discussion about the finer points of suicide?
Any idiot with an ounce of empathy would immediately know you're dealing with someone who is still disturbed and would know that you don't deal with someone with depression, which typically includes feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing, by berating them and telling them to fuck off.
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
"which typically includes feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing"
That was his whole point. He's trying to say that DMBrandon isn't the valuable thing here, the donor is.
Granted he did it while yelling and cursing, but that's just how he operates, and surely the donor knows this being a fan.
DM gives this kind of "tough-love" thing all the time. I'm sure his frequent talk about "powering your way through depression" is part of what helped the donor get through his suicidal phase.
The unempathetic thing to do would be to say, "Thank you very much. It makes me feel great that I can help people like you. Hope you feel better bro."
I'm not saying DMBrandon is being selfless here. Obviously he wants to feel good about himself by trying to be the one guy that's going to get through to the donor. And there is no doubt whatsover that his ego is the size of Texas.
But clearly he empathizes with him. Much more so than a guy that would say, "Thanks."
Don't forget that DMBrandon actually did help this guy get through his suicidal phase. Clearly he's not just some douchebag.
I watched the video and I actually find it inspirational. Might not be the most political correct way of saying this.
But he is saying he is selfish because there are people who love him.
He is saying that it was not his streams that got him trough it, but that he did that himself.
He is saying the same things people in here are saying as well and get angry to this guy about. For me personally. This might work better for me, then someone being all kind and considering. Also this guy claimed that the streams got him trough. So, after saying that, you claim the streamer should suddenly act different then he normally would do? How he normally is, is what has helped the guy pull trough this. Clearly not some political correct streamer. Reading comment in this thread, the reaction is also not unsurprising either.
Most likely because people didn't actually read and think about what he said they're just reacting to the headline, and a small section of the story as usual.
How many people tell singers their music helped them?
I'm sure plenty of people have, that has what to do with people reading headlines only and reacting to them?
If you read what he said, he is saying it to someone that he already helped from the first second. Then tell someone what they do wrong, and that they are wrong from a personal opinion, in the same experience is not helpfull if his streams helped the person from this bad feelings.
That would be the same if in the expirience of music something like that would happen.
The level of ignorance and misunderstanding shown in this discussion baffles me.
I am 44 years old and have suffered depression, along with other mental illnesses my whole adult life. Have I considered taking my life in the past? Absolutely! Did I feel that that committing suicide would leave my loved ones in pain and heartache? Ofcourse it would, but given my state of mind at the time, I truly believed that the world would be in a better place if i was gone.
Suicide is probably the ultimate act of selflessness that there is. It requires a thought process that has become so irrational that someone would have difficulty even contemplating it. Not to mention that it goes against almost every law of nature and survival as human beings.
Example: Robin Williams did not die of suicide, he died of a depression based illness/consequence.
That being said the streamer guy should have just said "Get professional help, I am glad my stream helped, but you need to see some one who can really help".
I agree with this however I don't think the issue should really be about what he said. You can agree or disagree with him but I think the issue is whether or not he should have lost his job for it. If his stream was him working for the company then I completely get the firing. If this is his personal stream that he did on his own time then I think it is once again an attempt for people to silence others when they don't agree with their speech.
I've never worked for a company that didn't care for how it's employees personal life wasn't an important factor in maintaining a job. I don't know of any company that wants a guy who rants like that in a public media forum to be associated with them in any way, shape or form. There are just certain jobs in society that require you to uphold to a higher standard in social events and media. Such as journalists, doctors, law enforcement and yes, even the game industry.
I've turned down a couple jobs merely because they wanted to view/search through my facebook and what not. I guess it's just a sad state of affairs these days, imo.
Companies live in the public eye. Are you saying that if you owned a company, you would hire anyone, racist, bigot, sexiest? As long as they did a good job you would not care? If 70% of your customers were black, you would hire a white supremacist? Get real.
I'm actually in the process of starting my own company and seeing what that entails so might be able to factually answer at some point in the future.
However, I am under the belief that a company and a person are 2 separate things. So I would like to think that I would hire anyone, regardless of their personal views as long as they can do their job well and as long as their not doing anything to hurt the company WHILE WORKING.
I don't subscribe to outrage culture, the rest of society does, so that can surely be an issue for me.
You might be under that opinion, but you only have to look at the amount of people who when an unpopular studio announces lay offs are basically saying they deserved to lose their job because the poster does not like their game/business methods/ethics/logo etc.
Or the amount of people who scream down the phone at customer service reps.
If you think the majority of the human race can separate the individual from the entity you are an optimist. I have been in too many jobs where people outright screamed abuse at me for the companies policies or hell even just cos they didnt like the colour of something.
Image is everything to people these days, and if you dont believe me, look at any post about CD projekt red, and then replace their name with Trion/Daybreak/Activision and see what the reaction would be.
It requires a thought process that has become so irrational that someone would have difficulty even contemplating it.
That is what some will never understand it would take someone open minded to even try and do that and i am not sure if they could do it, it really is a difficult thing to explain.
Plus what people seem to forget not everyone is treated the same throughout life not everyone gets to live in a nice house with a nice family.
Due to the nature of stigma surrounding this topic, it was difficult for me to relay the following opinion. I stared at this post for quite awhile after I finished typing it (I deleted it once, restarted, wrote it again), knowing well enough that there would be people reading it who wouldn't understand, and wouldn't want to understand. Ultimately, it's something I think about very frequently, every day, and it deserves to be said, even if it's simply an act of catharsis:
DM Brandon's argument is widely adopted, and as someone who deals with this shit on a daily basis, it's entirely ridiculous to assume that the individuals being selfish in this scenario are the people with mental health issues and a desire to die. What's selfish is expecting these people to stick around so your loved ones can have their trophy son, or their trophy friend, or whatever else the fuck you want to call it, rather than the people needlessly keeping someone around who legitimately doesn't want to live anymore (sometimes due to extreme physical pain, or emotional torment, or psychological disorders, sometimes brought on by the very same family or friends) solely so you don't have to deal with the fallout. Sometimes you have to let people go. It's shitty, and a real burden, but life isn't a gift for everyone, and it isn't as sacred as some of us would like to believe.
That being said, I think people need to get help if they feel this way. I've tried for years and none of the solutions offered by therapists or psychiatrists ever alleviated the suffering, but that doesn't apply to everyone (I've always felt less depressed and suicidal when I -wasn't- seeing doctors and therapists to fix the problem). If someone presents a path that solves similar issues, you should at least attempt to take it. It may work for you.
What I'm saying here could probably be viewed as controversial to many people, but I have real experience with this as a survivor, not to my inclination, of several suicide attempts. You're more than welcome to feel differently.
Things can (and do) change. That's the thing.
The only time when suicide is not selfish is when it's a terminal disease, because that's guaranteed not to change. Even then, it's somewhat selfish (but reasonably so).
A suicide is going to cause irrecoverable and terrible pain to loved ones. And if it's because of depression, it's ultimately just plain unnecessary, because in a years time you may have come out of it, or at least stabilized to the point where you don't want to die.
And that's just talking about the pain a suicide causes other people. It's not even mentioning the fact that you're throwing away any possible future happiness you might have experienced.
It's almost always the dumbest possible solution to any problem.
You and I will have to disagree. Situations aren't fluid, for some people it doesn't change. Stating that the change is inevitable for everyone is a blatant lie, akin to sticking your head in the sand rather than deal with the reality, and has been an industry standard in the fields of therapy and psychiatry for as long as I've been exposed to it. If you've been in a similar situation and were capable of recovering, I'm glad you don't feel the same way anymore, but seeking a permanent solution to a permanent problem isn't dumb, it's entirely normal. What's dumb is trying to convince people to believe that their permanent problem isn't really permanent for their own selfish reasons, whatever those may be.
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"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he didn't go into this rant with a larger agenda or any real though at all. Instead he just reacted and whatever his point was got lost in the rhetoric he used. It looks like one of those moments we all have when we say something that comes out wrong and instead of backing up and saying, "wait, that came out completely wrong and I'm being an ass. Let me start over and explain myself properly" we plow forward and try to spin it either to save face or preserve some image of ourselves we have.
Obviously something touched a nerve and he got into it before he thought it through. If he had it to do over, he might take a different approach in the light of a new day. He might not change his message, but he might change the delivery. Everyone has moments when it all comes out wrong and efforts to save it only make it worse.
Unfortunately for him it happened on the interwebs, which is like the fun house mirror. You stand in front of it voluntarily, but you have no control over the reflection. In this case the company he represented, Hi-Res, probably sensed this might be bad for business. Risking offending people is always tough on business. He probably was told, "make amends or get out" and he chose get out. Its more likely that he was given the choice of quit and collect severance or get fired and spend the next three years in court trying to collect while getting publicly smeared making it almost impossible for you to work in the industry again. He was right. The First Amendment protects you from the government preventing you from speaking. It doesn't insulate you from the consequences of floating ideas out to the general public.
Kinda of a harsh result. I know his words can be taken as downright inflammatory, and he probably deserved a little discipline because people who represent companies can't just say whatever they want whenever they want and risk pissing off the consumers. I'm not sure that being shown the door was the answer, but then again I don't know if the guy had a track record or how many strikes he had in the eyes of the Hi-Rez Studios.
Best move for him going forward would be to say, "I regret this and I made a mistake. I'm sorry" and leave it at that. Don't offer excuses or explanations. Next best move is to say nothing, lay low and wait for the tide of outrage to die down. However its a sure bet that this is going to come up in his job interviews from here on out. That's why a simple apology without explanation or excuse is best so when he gets that question he can say, "I owned it and apologized unreseveredly". That kills the argument about "right message, wrong tone" vrs. "you should shut your pie hole before you mess us up in royal style".
A little life hack here. When you go to apologize, just do it and don't offer explanations or excuses. Just say, "I'm sorry. I messed up and I'm sorry." Don't go with the qualification because then you're kind of telling the person you're apologizing to that they are partially responsible for the mess you made. It sounds like you're still arguing and you can't continue to argue and apologize at the same time. That kills your sincerity and if there is any time to be sincere its when you're saying "I'm sorry."
By the same token we should be readier to accept apologies, because we're all going to land in hot water from time to time and its easier to get consideration once you've given consideration. Be the person who keeps perspective and on something like this its better to give someone the benefit of the doubt than to just assume he's heartless. At worst he's insensitive, not evil.
My personal thoughts are, he shouldn't have said that, it wasn't cool and he came off as very judgmental on a topic he shouldn't be so judgmental about. I think that someone tried to give him a compliment and he could have been a little more gracious in his reaction to what was ultimately a compliment and he got carried away. For that he should apologize. I think when he spends a few moments in less passionate thought about it he'll realize that he might have been a little more judicious in his reaction and still made his point. As far as us board trolls go an apology should suffice, but it won't because nothing makes us feel better than dancing on someone's grave. I'm guilty too, so I'll throw the first stone at myself.
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The only time when suicide is not selfish is when it's a terminal disease, because that's guaranteed not to change (although technically you never know how medicine is going to progress, and doctors giving diagnoses are not always right). Even then, it's somewhat selfish (but reasonably so).
A suicide is going to cause irrecoverable and terrible pain to loved ones. And if it's because of depression, it's ultimately just plain unnecessary, because in a years time you may have come out of it, or at least stabilized to the point where you don't want to die.
And that's just talking about the pain a suicide causes other people. It's not even mentioning the fact that you're throwing away any possible future happiness you might have experienced.
It's almost always the dumbest possible solution to any problem.
Of course things can change. But when someone is in a deep depressive state, their mind is incapable of rational thinking. All they know is that they're in severe pain and despair and they want it to end. No one wants to die, it completely goes against our human instinct. But when our pain exceeds our resources for coping with it, we seek relief. And in some cases, and at some times, death can seem like the only relief.
I think every one at some point in their life where close to this felling but overcome it .....
About Suicide and selfishness is true How dare you kill your self , you must work all your life to pay the big brother for giving you a chance to live ^^
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As ending, is harrasment.
Music, films, games.
All ways to feel something, heck even I had times becomeing addictive to games and later realized I was living them, once after that experience for years I now see games as a game.
So its harrasing to say to someone to not giveing credit, in a donation that has passed down.
Leaving someone with a negative feeling again.
I do understand his intention and message clearly, but we must keep it to the whole presentation and see it as a whole, then it is harrasing because the deeds have been done, and the suicide feelings have been passed down too, by the experience someone feel that in this experience included his work.
That leaves this to been a harrasment.
I debated about responding to this thread initially and then decided against it. However, your response almost mirrors my own attitude. I knew someone who actually committed suicide and they were in severe pain and found no relief after many attempts. For them suicide was a relief and never looked it as a selfish act. I miss this person and think of them often but in the end I really believe what they did was the right thing for them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That's what makes what you're saying dead wrong and what the twitch asshat said reprehensible.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
But give your heads a shake. A random twitch viewer tells the world that he had been contemplating suicide and that watching a lame twitch stream helped him not do it... do you think you're dealing with a stable individual that can have that discussion about the finer points of suicide?
Any idiot with an ounce of empathy would immediately know you're dealing with someone who is still disturbed and would know that you don't deal with someone with depression, which typically includes feelings of worthlessness and self-loathing, by berating them and telling them to fuck off.
The contortions you guys are going through to justify this douchebag are just amazing to me.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Some don't like death and can't talk about it my mum is the same i did't tell her when i was out it was just all dark no bright lights or firey hell just blank.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am neither surprised to hear of this, nor do I consider it to be a loss to the Smite community.
But I also know that it's not a conversation you have with those who are depressed enough to be considering it because the nature of their illness prevents them from being rational about it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
The only time when suicide is not selfish is when it's a terminal disease, because that's guaranteed not to change (although technically you never know how medicine is going to progress, and doctors giving diagnoses are not always right). Even then, it's somewhat selfish (but reasonably so).
A suicide is going to cause irrecoverable and terrible pain to loved ones. And if it's because of depression, it's ultimately just plain unnecessary, because in a years time you may have come out of it, or at least stabilized to the point where you don't want to die.
And that's just talking about the pain a suicide causes other people. It's not even mentioning the fact that you're throwing away any possible future happiness you might have experienced.
It's almost always the dumbest possible solution to any problem.
He is working and accepting donations, you keep that shit for your off hours.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That was his whole point. He's trying to say that DMBrandon isn't the valuable thing here, the donor is.
Granted he did it while yelling and cursing, but that's just how he operates, and surely the donor knows this being a fan.
DM gives this kind of "tough-love" thing all the time. I'm sure his frequent talk about "powering your way through depression" is part of what helped the donor get through his suicidal phase.
The unempathetic thing to do would be to say, "Thank you very much. It makes me feel great that I can help people like you. Hope you feel better bro."
I'm not saying DMBrandon is being selfless here. Obviously he wants to feel good about himself by trying to be the one guy that's going to get through to the donor. And there is no doubt whatsover that his ego is the size of Texas.
But clearly he empathizes with him. Much more so than a guy that would say, "Thanks."
Don't forget that DMBrandon actually did help this guy get through his suicidal phase. Clearly he's not just some douchebag.
I am 44 years old and have suffered depression, along with other mental illnesses my whole adult life.
Have I considered taking my life in the past? Absolutely!
Did I feel that that committing suicide would leave my loved ones in pain and heartache?
Ofcourse it would, but given my state of mind at the time, I truly believed that the world would be in a better place if i was gone.
Suicide is probably the ultimate act of selflessness that there is. It requires a thought process that has become so irrational that someone would have difficulty even contemplating it.
Not to mention that it goes against almost every law of nature and survival as human beings.
Example: Robin Williams did not die of suicide, he died of a depression based illness/consequence.
You might be under that opinion, but you only have to look at the amount of people who when an unpopular studio announces lay offs are basically saying they deserved to lose their job because the poster does not like their game/business methods/ethics/logo etc.
Or the amount of people who scream down the phone at customer service reps.
If you think the majority of the human race can separate the individual from the entity you are an optimist. I have been in too many jobs where people outright screamed abuse at me for the companies policies or hell even just cos they didnt like the colour of something.
Image is everything to people these days, and if you dont believe me, look at any post about CD projekt red, and then replace their name with Trion/Daybreak/Activision and see what the reaction would be.
Plus what people seem to forget not everyone is treated the same throughout life not everyone gets to live in a nice house with a nice family.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Obviously something touched a nerve and he got into it before he thought it through. If he had it to do over, he might take a different approach in the light of a new day. He might not change his message, but he might change the delivery. Everyone has moments when it all comes out wrong and efforts to save it only make it worse.
Unfortunately for him it happened on the interwebs, which is like the fun house mirror. You stand in front of it voluntarily, but you have no control over the reflection. In this case the company he represented, Hi-Res, probably sensed this might be bad for business. Risking offending people is always tough on business. He probably was told, "make amends or get out" and he chose get out. Its more likely that he was given the choice of quit and collect severance or get fired and spend the next three years in court trying to collect while getting publicly smeared making it almost impossible for you to work in the industry again. He was right. The First Amendment protects you from the government preventing you from speaking. It doesn't insulate you from the consequences of floating ideas out to the general public.
Kinda of a harsh result. I know his words can be taken as downright inflammatory, and he probably deserved a little discipline because people who represent companies can't just say whatever they want whenever they want and risk pissing off the consumers. I'm not sure that being shown the door was the answer, but then again I don't know if the guy had a track record or how many strikes he had in the eyes of the Hi-Rez Studios.
Best move for him going forward would be to say, "I regret this and I made a mistake. I'm sorry" and leave it at that. Don't offer excuses or explanations. Next best move is to say nothing, lay low and wait for the tide of outrage to die down. However its a sure bet that this is going to come up in his job interviews from here on out. That's why a simple apology without explanation or excuse is best so when he gets that question he can say, "I owned it and apologized unreseveredly". That kills the argument about "right message, wrong tone" vrs. "you should shut your pie hole before you mess us up in royal style".
A little life hack here. When you go to apologize, just do it and don't offer explanations or excuses. Just say, "I'm sorry. I messed up and I'm sorry." Don't go with the qualification because then you're kind of telling the person you're apologizing to that they are partially responsible for the mess you made. It sounds like you're still arguing and you can't continue to argue and apologize at the same time. That kills your sincerity and if there is any time to be sincere its when you're saying "I'm sorry."
By the same token we should be readier to accept apologies, because we're all going to land in hot water from time to time and its easier to get consideration once you've given consideration. Be the person who keeps perspective and on something like this its better to give someone the benefit of the doubt than to just assume he's heartless. At worst he's insensitive, not evil.
My personal thoughts are, he shouldn't have said that, it wasn't cool and he came off as very judgmental on a topic he shouldn't be so judgmental about. I think that someone tried to give him a compliment and he could have been a little more gracious in his reaction to what was ultimately a compliment and he got carried away. For that he should apologize. I think when he spends a few moments in less passionate thought about it he'll realize that he might have been a little more judicious in his reaction and still made his point. As far as us board trolls go an apology should suffice, but it won't because nothing makes us feel better than dancing on someone's grave. I'm guilty too, so I'll throw the first stone at myself.
Many a small thing has been made large by the right kind of advertising.
Originally posted by Arskaaa
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About Suicide and selfishness is true How dare you kill your self , you must work all your life to pay the big brother for giving you a chance to live ^^