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So many MMOs, growing yet people screams MMOs are dead

MaurgrimMaurgrim Member RarePosts: 1,331
edited April 2016 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics that the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
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  • LuidenLuiden Member RarePosts: 337
    Maurgrim said:
    So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics the the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
    Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

    Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
    I think part of the problem is how we classify these games.  The games that have been released in the past 5 to 10 years are a very different game but yet we group them into the MMORPG world.  The reality is many of these games need their own classification such as P2WORPG, or AORPG (Amazon Online Role Playing Game).  If they got classified correctly I don't think you would see near the bitching that people are doing.  The reality is there hasn't been a quality MMORPG released in a very, very long time.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    It is more accurate to say the genre in dying in the west. Specifically, there is no more western AAA dev of mmorpgs. Isn't that a fact?
  • AzothAzoth Member UncommonPosts: 840
    nariusseldon said:
    It is more accurate to say the genre in dying in the west. Specifically, there is no more western AAA dev of mmorpgs. Isn't that a fact?
    The people that know the answer are under NDA.
  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    Maurgrim said:
    So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics the the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
    Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

    Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
    people are foretelling the death of mmos for over 10 years now ^^
    you get used to it.

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  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    I wouldn't say it's dying. I think the term is evolving or morphing into something different. Not sure what the future holds. Reminds me of a book a read long time ago called "Future shock". Future Shock by Alvin Toffler discusses change and what happens to people; how they do and don't adapt. Even though the book was first published in 1970, it is certainly appropriate for the changes of the age of technology. The book was written about the future and that future is now. Massive changes result in stress and disorientation, especially when these changes take place in a short period of time. Man must cope with these changes and Toffler's point is that there isn't much known about the mechanisms for coping and adaptability. Toffler attempts to study these mechanisms in the book. Some reason my brain is correlating this to games lol
     
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    I would say it's taking its first real steps in the west.   These games naturally retract over time.  There are no big companies making games.  WoW is declining.  For once it's probably true the genre is in a rough spot.
  • alterfenixalterfenix Member UncommonPosts: 370
    Maurgrim said:
    So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics the the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
    Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

    Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
    1. MMO does not mean automatically MMORPG. People often are complaining specifically about how MMORPG games are these days as in less MMO and less RPG for instance.
    2. 5 years ago it was already Cataclysm in WoW so WoW's prime time. Also several other games already available or atleast announced. Not really certain if now siutation is better. Perhaps not worse but definitely not better (as in little progress really)
    3. Actually since I am revisiting atleast 2 games on regular basis (and it's not WoW really) I'd say that whatever I enjoy most in those games it is already available and delivered. So yeah, my dream games are already out there it's just none of those MMORPG games was released in say past 5 years
    4. Granted that genre is changing but it does not mean that it is progressing. It's not any doom and gloom but claiming that genre now is better than ever is just fooling people (which is the whole point that complainers make btw)
  • barasawabarasawa Member UncommonPosts: 618
    edited April 2016
    LoL :lol:  They've been claiming the deaths of many things for a long time, just look at radio. 
    Even RPGs have been declared dead numerous times since the 90s. 
    Ubisoft had not that long ago declared PC games as dead, and swore they'd never publish another PC title. Look how long that stance lasted...
    The doomsayers will keep declaring the apocalypse, and eventually they'll have to be right once if they keep at it long enough. :winky: 

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Vermillion_Raventhal said:
      There are no big companies making games.  
    what are you talking about?

    Didn't Fallout 4, AC Syndicate, Quantum Break just got made ... all big AAA titles. In the horizon, we have Homefront, Dishonored, Deus Ex, Hitman (kind of released some parts) .....

    AAA games are still being made in the west .. just not new MMORPGs.
  • Xorian7Xorian7 Member UncommonPosts: 212
    alterfenix said:
    Maurgrim said:
    So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics the the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
    Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

    Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
    1. MMO does not mean automatically MMORPG. People often are complaining specifically about how MMORPG games are these days as in less MMO and less RPG for instance.
    2. 5 years ago it was already Cataclysm in WoW so WoW's prime time. Also several other games already available or atleast announced. Not really certain if now siutation is better. Perhaps not worse but definitely not better (as in little progress really)
    3. Actually since I am revisiting atleast 2 games on regular basis (and it's not WoW really) I'd say that whatever I enjoy most in those games it is already available and delivered. So yeah, my dream games are already out there it's just none of those MMORPG games was released in say past 5 years
    4. Granted that genre is changing but it does not mean that it is progressing. It's not any doom and gloom but claiming that genre now is better than ever is just fooling people (which is the whole point that complainers make btw)
    This.
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Quality versus Quantity. Look up the words then delete this thread.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    MMO's are dead they aren't what they used to be back in the day most MMORPG's are dead because of Pay 2 Enjoy or Pay 2 Win Aspects, or RNG aspects, given the fact there aren't many MMO's developed in U.S and like 90% of them come from Korea, or Japan that is one of the big problems... I am not talking about being Racist, I love Korean, and Japaneese MMO's even Final Fantasy for example, but the problem is...

    . Korean MMO's are Pay 2 Enjoy, and based around RNG, Black Desert for example could have been better but I refuse to play it because of the direction they took with the Cash Shop.

    . Arche Age a good game, but hero system is making people toxic my server is pretty dead now compared to when I tried the game 9 months ago.

    . Final Fantasy Online, Japan MMO not taking right direction with housing IMO so I refuse to play.

    Over- All not many MMO's being made in U.S only most MMO's being made in Korea, and Japan, and Korean MMO's have good looking art-work which I Love but always seem to be around Pay 2 Enjoy / Pay 2 win aspects, and RNG involved now which is why I am no longer playing them Arche Age was the last game with RNG that was half way decent I would have kept playing but other than that they all suck because of this.

    So yeah MMO's feel Dead only hope right now is Crow - Fall, have tried everything else it seems to all fail / suck.
  • Vermillion_RaventhalVermillion_Raventhal Member EpicPosts: 4,198
    nariusseldon said:
    Vermillion_Raventhal said:
      There are no big companies making games.  
    what are you talking about?

    Didn't Fallout 4, AC Syndicate, Quantum Break just got made ... all big AAA titles. In the horizon, we have Homefront, Dishonored, Deus Ex, Hitman (kind of released some parts) .....

    AAA games are still being made in the west .. just not new MMORPGs.
    This website is forums.mmorpg.com.  Seems pretty straightforward we are talking about MMORPGS or at least MMO.  And no we don't care what your definition or who else says.
  • Ricardo58Ricardo58 Member UncommonPosts: 19
    edited April 2016
    The problem is that there isn't a single worthwhile MMO to play for the long run/term, I hear people saying how they played WoW for 7 or more straight years and I just can't see something like that these days.

    Frogs everywhere, just playing a game for a couple of months then they jump to the next thing, heck, we might as well be locusts.
    All these new MMOs, like Blade & Soul, Black Desert Online, in 1 year they will be dead...
    Plenty of MMOs coming out every couple of months like mass production lines these days, there's just nothing that makes them stand out or feel special in some way...
  • Gabriel-KnightGabriel-Knight Member UncommonPosts: 89
    Quantity does not equal quality.
  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    Ricardo58 said:
    The problem is that there isn't a single worthwhile MMO to play for the long run/term, I hear people saying how they played WoW for 7 or more straight years and I just can't see something like that these days.

    Frogs everywhere, just playing a game for a couple of months then they jump to the next thing, heck, we might as well be locusts.
    All these new MMOs, like Blade & Soul, Black Desert Online, in 1 year they will be dead...
    Plenty of MMOs coming out every couple of months like mass production lines these days, there's just nothing that makes them stand out or feel special in some way...
    They don't build any longevity into the games. Activities are few in number and are always combat oriented. If it's not on the UI it can't happen. The UI becomes smaller and less expressive every year. There is no way to exist in the worldspace beyond the quest lane. All things worth achieving must be achievable within 2.5 hours of game time. Every player is an island. Cash is King and is > than Achievement. All of these feature evolutions have resulted a MMORPGs that pretty much tell you, "listen guy, you should just go find another game," in about 45 days of play. 
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    People are expecting the games to get better.  

    Some genre of games keep getting better.
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    The genre is pretty stagnant but far from dead. The vocal minority has been saying MMO's are dead/dying since 2004, and yet here we are with more choices than ever before. 
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    AAAMEOW said:
    People are expecting the games to get better.  

    Some genre of games keep getting better.
    Games are getting better. MMOs are more games, than virtual worlds now. That is getting better at being "games". 
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    [insert world war z, zombie analogy]
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  • shadow9d9shadow9d9 Member UncommonPosts: 374
    Mmos have been declining for many years now.  The only games that come out nowadays are made so you could max your levels within a month, just to grind 5 dungeons over and over to get better gear while pushing cash shops.  To me, the genre is for all intents and purposes dead.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited April 2016
    Well the idea of long time progression and long investments is imo far from dead.However the reason we DON'T see it is because developers are a dime a dozen now,seems everyone and their goldfish is a wannabe developer and the market is being spammed with crap because of it.

    At one time we could name the devs on a couple hands,now there are thousands and 99% of those thousands all have incompetent budgets.So when a market is flooded with crap and you have millions of gamer's waiting to waste money,there is a VERY good chance the crap will keep selling.

    There is simply not enough quality developers to bring us mmorpg's or good quality mmo's,we have to rely on quality single player games with about 30-60 hours of playtime,so not much value from our 60-90 dollar purchases.That si why i choose to just wait  6 months to a year and purchase single player games on sale,it is the only way i can justify buying these games.
    As for a QUALITY mmorpg,i'll just keep waiting,eventually 1 or 2 will pop out but i don't expect anymore than that.

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    simsalabim77 said:
    The genre is pretty stagnant but far from dead. The vocal minority has been saying MMO's are dead/dying since 2004, and yet here we are with more choices than ever before. 
    Unless someone thinks cash shops are disgusting crap in which case 2004 had more choices to offer.

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  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,380
    Maurgrim said:
    So many MMOs are alive new and old and still people make topics the the genre is dead, I don't really get it.
    Sure there are crapload of em that are bad and some are really good, but the genre is by far more alive now then it were 5 years ago even 10 years ago, so I don't really get it where this doom and gloom comes from.

    Your dream MMO haven't been made or you don't like what's out there doesn't mean the genre is dead.
    I'm gonna have to disagree with the "five years ago" part.  I was much more excited about the MMO scene five years ago than I am now.  So many games were being made at that time or had just come out.  It was an exciting vibrant scene.

    Currently, however, all of the AAA companies with the capital to finance polished and fully featured titles have bailed from the genre.  Although, it can be debated whether that's a bad thing or not considering that the last few titles the AAA's produced were carbon copy cash grabs with little depth or longevity.

    The companies that are left are all begging for free money on Kickstarter, half of which will never get made, or which will take your money and then provide 50% of what they claimed they will provide.

    This is what I would call the dark age of MMO's.
  • BaitnessBaitness Member UncommonPosts: 675
    It seems to me that every MMORPG is undergoing a large decline in players, in some cases the sharpest we have ever seen.  PC Gaming is at an all time high, the number of MMO players should also be at an all time high, not in a massive drop.

    Some of that is old players jumping to new MMOs, but others I think are just giving up on the genre for now.

    Some of it is that games are not as enjoyable, whether it being bad updates to old games or new games that end up being disappointing.

    The age of the MMO is over, the age of the MOBA is at hand.

    I freaking hate MOBAs.
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