I don't support games that use the FtP with in game purchases model. I have never spent a single penny on a free to play game and I have played many subscription based monthly fee games.
That of course includes some that have changed from subscription to ftp while I was playing them. I don't last long after games switch over.
So I guess like others have said, I vote with my dollars.
Which obviously the whales put in a lot more "votes" than players like you. Otherwise, the market would not be so heavily favored f2p.
Yep, and that's also a major reason why the genre has devolved into what it is. Whales are generally bad at games , thus they pay a bunch of money to make up for it.
That's why we have 100s of easy ftp games for every 1 challenging game.
Crap games diminish in both player base and further development.
So, it's safe to say on average it takes 6 years for the consumer to say NO NO and NO and the producer will finally listen.
Your first statement is a perfect description of SWG.
No actually the facts are rather clear. Mmorpgs have never been better over a six year period then they have been while you have gone. So it's safe to say you are NOT the consumer developer want they have plenty of other consumers. No the developers have not been missing your $15/month and could care less what you have been saying...sorry just wanted to welcome you to the real world and provide actual facts.
Finally. I've been waiting for somebody that knows what they are talking about, to pop in.
Can you list all the western AAA MMORPGs with more than 250K active subs as of today?
Well nobody really gives sub numbers anymore and the sub only model is also kind of obsolete...but for fun I list you a few...
WoW FFXIV GW2 Eso swtor eve
some lesser populated games
lotro Rift Neverwinter Marvel DC TerA AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
Crap games diminish in both player base and further development.
So, it's safe to say on average it takes 6 years for the consumer to say NO NO and NO and the producer will finally listen.
Your first statement is a perfect description of SWG.
No actually the facts are rather clear. Mmorpgs have never been better over a six year period then they have been while you have gone. So it's safe to say you are NOT the consumer developer want they have plenty of other consumers. No the developers have not been missing your $15/month and could care less what you have been saying...sorry just wanted to welcome you to the real world and provide actual facts.
Finally. I've been waiting for somebody that knows what they are talking about, to pop in.
Can you list all the western AAA MMORPGs with more than 250K active subs as of today?
Well nobody really gives sub numbers anymore and the sub only model is also kind of obsolete...but for fun I list you a few...
WoW FFXIV GW2 Eso swtor eve
some lesser populated games
lotro Rift Neverwinter Marvel DC TerA AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
Crap games diminish in both player base and further development.
So, it's safe to say on average it takes 6 years for the consumer to say NO NO and NO and the producer will finally listen.
Your first statement is a perfect description of SWG.
No actually the facts are rather clear. Mmorpgs have never been better over a six year period then they have been while you have gone. So it's safe to say you are NOT the consumer developer want they have plenty of other consumers. No the developers have not been missing your $15/month and could care less what you have been saying...sorry just wanted to welcome you to the real world and provide actual facts.
Finally. I've been waiting for somebody that knows what they are talking about, to pop in.
Can you list all the western AAA MMORPGs with more than 250K active subs as of today?
Well nobody really gives sub numbers anymore and the sub only model is also kind of obsolete...but for fun I list you a few...
WoW FFXIV GW2 Eso swtor eve
some lesser populated games
lotro Rift Neverwinter Marvel DC TerA AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
So, WoW, FFXIV, and maybe EVE are the only MMORPGs that have better than 250K active subs. The rest are B2P/F2P.
Is that a fair guess on my part?
You missed L1 but otherwise you are pretty close.
But rather than point out what has long been released, the absence of anything big on the horizon outside of SC is the real proof (rather lack thereof) of the health of the genre.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Crap games diminish in both player base and further development.
So, it's safe to say on average it takes 6 years for the consumer to say NO NO and NO and the producer will finally listen.
Your first statement is a perfect description of SWG.
No actually the facts are rather clear. Mmorpgs have never been better over a six year period then they have been while you have gone. So it's safe to say you are NOT the consumer developer want they have plenty of other consumers. No the developers have not been missing your $15/month and could care less what you have been saying...sorry just wanted to welcome you to the real world and provide actual facts.
Finally. I've been waiting for somebody that knows what they are talking about, to pop in.
Can you list all the western AAA MMORPGs with more than 250K active subs as of today?
Well nobody really gives sub numbers anymore and the sub only model is also kind of obsolete...but for fun I list you a few...
WoW FFXIV GW2 Eso swtor eve
some lesser populated games
lotro Rift Neverwinter Marvel DC TerA AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
So, WoW, FFXIV, and maybe EVE are the only MMORPGs that have better than 250K active subs. The rest are B2P/F2P.
Is that a fair guess on my part?
You missed L1 but otherwise you are pretty close.
But rather than point out what has long been released, the absence of anything big on the horizon outside of SC is the real proof (rather lack thereof) of the health of the genre.
No problem adding that, but does L1 still fall under the criteria that I asked him for? I'm open to whatever you think.
I no longer play MMORPGs - no more wasted Money for copycat developers that do everything worse than 15 years ago...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
Crap games diminish in both player base and further development.
So, it's safe to say on average it takes 6 years for the consumer to say NO NO and NO and the producer will finally listen.
Your first statement is a perfect description of SWG.
No actually the facts are rather clear. Mmorpgs have never been better over a six year period then they have been while you have gone. So it's safe to say you are NOT the consumer developer want they have plenty of other consumers. No the developers have not been missing your $15/month and could care less what you have been saying...sorry just wanted to welcome you to the real world and provide actual facts.
Finally. I've been waiting for somebody that knows what they are talking about, to pop in.
Can you list all the western AAA MMORPGs with more than 250K active subs as of today?
Well nobody really gives sub numbers anymore and the sub only model is also kind of obsolete...but for fun I list you a few...
WoW FFXIV GW2 Eso swtor eve
some lesser populated games
lotro Rift Neverwinter Marvel DC TerA AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
So, WoW, FFXIV, and maybe EVE are the only MMORPGs that have better than 250K active subs. The rest are B2P/F2P.
Is that a fair guess on my part?
Again the sub only model is obsolete and nobody released sub numbers so for you to say those are the only three healthy mmos because they fall into your own criteria of what makes a healthy mmo is far from accurate.
At the moment,I do not think we have done anything to evolve mmo's. But I am pretty sure. With what is current on the market. We actually helped it devolve!
At the moment,I do not think we have done anything to evolve mmo's. But I am pretty sure. With what is current on the market. We actually helped it devolve!
I agree the bitter old vets have devolved how some people view mmorpgs because of their endless complaining, bitching, crying and inability to move on.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
At the moment,I do not think we have done anything to evolve mmo's. But I am pretty sure. With what is current on the market. We actually helped it devolve!
I agree the bitter old vets have devolved how some people view mmorpgs because of their endless complaining, bitching, crying and inability to move on.
Bitter old vets? Where?? My papa always told me that my britches are TOO BIG. That someday I will grow up and they will fit me just right!
Perhaps something better will rise from the ashes.
Already did. MOBAs. New online shooters like Overwatch. MMO hybrids like Destiny & The Division. The genre has already evolved to something better (for more players .. clearly not for those who only wants classical mmorpgs.)
I think this is what many people don't see or understand. It has evolved. The millions being made on apps have changed the genre now as well, from a monetary aspect it is easier to do the above then create an MMO and hope to make money.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
I prefer the sandbox version of EVE. It's called Excel
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Oh you mean Eve the game that forced its company in 2014 to report financial difficulties and let a bunch of people go, closed divisions, stopped working on games, the same company that in 2015 decided to go dark on their financials and the same game that is reported to be shedding subs? That game is the cure?
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Oh you mean Eve the game that forced its company in 2014 to report financial difficulties and let a bunch of people go, closed divisions, stopped working on games, the same company that in 2015 decided to go dark on their financials and the same game that is reported to be shedding subs? That game is the cure?
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
At least you didn't take it too seriously, considering his smiley and all that.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Oh you mean Eve the game that forced its company in 2014 to report financial difficulties and let a bunch of people go, closed divisions, stopped working on games, the same company that in 2015 decided to go dark on their financials and the same game that is reported to be shedding subs? That game is the cure?
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
At least you didn't take it too seriously, considering his smiley and all that.
So a smile means sarcasm on this site? Yeah guess I need to work on reading a persons sarcasm on an online forum...
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Oh you mean Eve the game that forced its company in 2014 to report financial difficulties and let a bunch of people go, closed divisions, stopped working on games, the same company that in 2015 decided to go dark on their financials and the same game that is reported to be shedding subs? That game is the cure?
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
At least you didn't take it too seriously, considering his smiley and all that.
So a smile means sarcasm on this site? Yeah guess I need to work on reading a persons sarcasm on an online forum...
No, by all means - keep throwing tantrums over nothing at all.
Anyways, I think regardless of how good or bad Star Citizen is if majority open their wallets on it, at least we will send a message that we want more high budget AAA products coming to us. Keep in mind also Star Citizen is made exclusively for PC, which means it would be far more expensive to develop if it went multiplatform and chasing that console market that many of these AAA budget games do these days.
And there you have it. Another poster trying to lend meaning to the their support for a game that could very well never see the light of day.
So, what you're saying is that we should never donate to the cure for cancer if there's no guarentee it will eventually come?
Ok, I don't agree.
All mmo's are Cancer. EVE is the cure to that cancer;-D
Oh you mean Eve the game that forced its company in 2014 to report financial difficulties and let a bunch of people go, closed divisions, stopped working on games, the same company that in 2015 decided to go dark on their financials and the same game that is reported to be shedding subs? That game is the cure?
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
At least you didn't take it too seriously, considering his smiley and all that.
So a smile means sarcasm on this site? Yeah guess I need to work on reading a persons sarcasm on an online forum...
No, by all means - keep throwing tantrums over nothing at all.
It's not without entertainment value
Oh posting facts is the same as throwing tantrums to you? Well you keep defending your little buddy.
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That's why we have 100s of easy ftp games for every 1 challenging game.
But, the market is progressing into niches.
WoW
FFXIV
GW2
Eso
swtor
eve
some lesser populated games
lotro
Rift
Neverwinter
Marvel
DC
TerA
AoC
Then you also have games that aren't mmorpgs but are now becoming more popular.
The Division
Destiny
GTA V
Lots a game with lot a people playing them.
Here is a link if you really want more info...
http://massivelyop.com/2015/06/11/perfect-ten-the-top-10-healthiest-live-mmos/
Is that a fair guess on my part?
But rather than point out what has long been released, the absence of anything big on the horizon outside of SC is the real proof (rather lack thereof) of the health of the genre.
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No, thank you.
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In this thread: much confusion about the role of consumers.
Ok, I don't agree.
Oh oops I probably shouldn't have brought facts to your bias opinion comment.
It's not without entertainment value
Its not without entertainment value
...et cetera.
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Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance