Windows 10 sometimes tried to defrag your SSD on schedule. No biggie for those of us who turn it off.... But it will write your ssd to 0 lol.
That is just... Wrong. Wrong as in, no it does not. Windows had issues with that when SSD's where a new and shiny tech, and it WILL have issues today if the drive does not declare itself propperly to the OS, but any normal SATA attached SSD will never see issues like that on Win10.
Edit: Full explanation of what Windows actually DOES when running defrag on SSD's.
I always tell people it depends on your budget. It's always better to have to much space then one day not enough. Unless you plan on doing regular upgrades just get the larger one. In fact if your budget could handle it I'd suggest a 1TB SSD. Having to much memory is rarely a problem.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
This is a really tough call. Not all software is read from disk in the same manner. An MMO would likely make a ton of storage calls, especially streaming world type (non-zoned open world). A lot of single player games it wouldn't matter, same with a few multiplayer modes in for instances shooters.
Go with what your wallet calls for would be the best answer. Is a few extra seconds of load screens a make or break for you? FPS would likely never be effected and the games can be installed to an HDD instead of the SSD.
Doh, it was Rodi that began mixing them up and I was tired. But you are right, Raid 1 doesn't give any speed buff and you loose 1 drive in data, not optional if it is speed you are after.
I usually go Raid 5 myself, had a raid 10 at one point in my server but I prefer 5.
Thing about SSD's for your OS. Yeah they are fast but they die really fast. I wouldn't put my os on a SSD (even though i do have one copy on a ssd just in case) because of all the trimm bs and the fact that and this is kinda bullshit...
Windows 10 sometimes tried to defrag your SSD on schedule. No biggie for those of us who turn it off.... But it will write your ssd to 0 lol.
Aside from that i'd never ever game on a standard hdd ever again. The difference is amazing for loadtimes.
SSDs don't die more then regular drives. Some did have issues with the controlers a few years back (3 or so) but there have been issues with regular drives from times as well. There is a slightly higher chanse to kill a regular drive then a SSD but the difference is small no matter what your personal experience is (you can be unlucky, have a bad PSU or bought several with the same crap controler).
Anything not raided for safety or backuped can be lost no matter what drive you use so never put anything you must have on a single drive.
I've gone through like three in two years. Which is more I can say for HD's which is maybe 1? Maybe. I'm not sure what happened to that box.
Totally could of had bad luck on a psu. I mean I doubt it. But sure could of been. Like right now i got a old 840evo 250 devoted only to Overwatch and the divison. I've been through the old x2# series intel tossed out (those were the best for me so far they lasted 9 months..
I mean hell Linux kernal something or other was LOST to SSD failure.
I'm just saying it's not smart to put your os on a ssd since I've specifically been apart of that cluster failure and have watched others have sudden death.
The crap part is atleast with a hdd it's usually something mechanical so you can recover it atleast intact.
Nothing could be recovered from any of my ssd's.
Still use the tech. Just don't put much faith in it for using it as an OS hd. I use them dedicated like for gaming. As I said I could never ever go back. The loadtimes even on this old evo are amazing.
I have two SSDs. The 480gb in my system, and the 256gb that is in my system hooked to my big screen TV. The 256 was in my main system and is 4 years old, and it is still going strong. It just got a little small for my needs. Even though I was careful about what went on the drive, I only had about 50GB free when I replaced it. I bet that 256 will last at least 10 years...
HDDs last, that is for sure. I have handled hundreds over the years, and less than 5 have died. I have a shorter experience with SSDs, but it seems like they are just as bulletproof, if not more, than HDDs. That makes sense, since they have no moving parts.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
I've gone through like three in two years. Which is more I can say for HD's which is maybe 1? Maybe. I'm not sure what happened to that box.
Totally could of had bad luck on a psu. I mean I doubt it. But sure could of been. Like right now i got a old 840evo 250 devoted only to Overwatch and the divison. I've been through the old x2# series intel tossed out (those were the best for me so far they lasted 9 months..
I mean hell Linux kernal something or other was LOST to SSD failure.
I'm just saying it's not smart to put your os on a ssd since I've specifically been apart of that cluster failure and have watched others have sudden death.
The crap part is atleast with a hdd it's usually something mechanical so you can recover it atleast intact.
Nothing could be recovered from any of my ssd's.
Still use the tech. Just don't put much faith in it for using it as an OS hd. I use them dedicated like for gaming. As I said I could never ever go back. The loadtimes even on this old evo are amazing.
If you don't have the OS on the SSD, your missing out on most of the benefit.
And... you ~can~ recover from an SSD, similar to an HDD, (depending on the mode of failure, which is true for both SSD and HDD) but your talking some $$$ to do either one.
You lost 3 SSDs, which is unfortunate, but I would say from all the people here, your case is hardly typical. I lost 8 HDDs last year alone. I lost 0 SSDs. So... does that trump your 3 SSDs and 1 HDD? Or does that just prove that I got a bad batch of HDDs in and you got a bad batch of SSDs and that it's not really pertinent to overall longevity statistics?
Also, SSDs it's pretty important to keep up with Firmware, which is a bit different than HDDs (the tech just isn't as mature yet). There have been some models that would brick (Crucial M4 comes to mind, but it's hardly been the only one), but if the firmware is updated, they fix and then continue to work fine.
Depends, Personally just get a SSD that is big enough to hold all the system files, and programs required to run fast.
Buy a Fast 1TB or higher storage for all your Music, Photo's, Games ETC, and put them on it in general the idea is to have about 3-4 drives per computer with one for storage of nothing but "Image Files" "Music" and such.
Another Drive just for games...
and for specific games which "Require Fast Access" caches, Chat Logs, Combat Logs such as EVE Online install them to a seperate 40 GB Drive, as the combat logs will kill the SSD Writes really fast and you don't want this, however in certain games it will actually increase the performance not just talking about loading times but the way the game works needing fast reads / writes.
On top of this you will want a "Back Up Drive at least 3 TB depending on the size of your other drives to back-up your personal files and data just in-case your computer gets ransomware virus in other words you will want "Generally 2 copies" of your data at all times at least.
I usually go Raid 5 myself, had a raid 10 at one point in my server but I prefer 5.
RAID 5 eats up your write performance, especially in smaller arrays. If you have a n-drive RAID 5 array, for every n-1 units of data you write, one unit of data is written as parity. Have 3 drives? Two units of data results in one unit of parity. That is 50% more writing just to keep the array working. That is okay for some applications with low write frequency, but it is important to be aware of the effects of RAID 5.
In larger arrays, RAID 5 is very risky. If you lose one drive, there is a good chance another is getting close to failure. If you replace the bad drive and rebuild the array, that other drive may fail during the rebuild, causing you to lose everything.
Better options are RAID 6 (which is RAID 5 but with enough parity to lose 2 drives) or RAID 1+0. This is probably getting off-topic for gaming, but the more you know...
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For regular ordinary user its irrelevant.
Edit: Full explanation of what Windows actually DOES when running defrag on SSD's.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Go with what your wallet calls for would be the best answer. Is a few extra seconds of load screens a make or break for you? FPS would likely never be effected and the games can be installed to an HDD instead of the SSD.
I usually go Raid 5 myself, had a raid 10 at one point in my server but I prefer 5.
SSDs don't die more then regular drives. Some did have issues with the controlers a few years back (3 or so) but there have been issues with regular drives from times as well. There is a slightly higher chanse to kill a regular drive then a SSD but the difference is small no matter what your personal experience is (you can be unlucky, have a bad PSU or bought several with the same crap controler).
Anything not raided for safety or backuped can be lost no matter what drive you use so never put anything you must have on a single drive.
I've gone through like three in two years. Which is more I can say for HD's which is maybe 1? Maybe. I'm not sure what happened to that box.
Totally could of had bad luck on a psu. I mean I doubt it. But sure could of been.
Like right now i got a old 840evo 250 devoted only to Overwatch and the divison.
I've been through the old x2# series intel tossed out (those were the best for me so far they lasted 9 months..
I mean hell Linux kernal something or other was LOST to SSD failure.
I'm just saying it's not smart to put your os on a ssd since I've specifically been apart of that cluster failure and have watched others have sudden death.
The crap part is atleast with a hdd it's usually something mechanical so you can recover it atleast intact.
Nothing could be recovered from any of my ssd's.
Still use the tech. Just don't put much faith in it for using it as an OS hd.
I use them dedicated like for gaming. As I said I could never ever go back.
The loadtimes even on this old evo are amazing.
HDDs last, that is for sure. I have handled hundreds over the years, and less than 5 have died. I have a shorter experience with SSDs, but it seems like they are just as bulletproof, if not more, than HDDs. That makes sense, since they have no moving parts.
The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!
And... you ~can~ recover from an SSD, similar to an HDD, (depending on the mode of failure, which is true for both SSD and HDD) but your talking some $$$ to do either one.
You lost 3 SSDs, which is unfortunate, but I would say from all the people here, your case is hardly typical. I lost 8 HDDs last year alone. I lost 0 SSDs. So... does that trump your 3 SSDs and 1 HDD? Or does that just prove that I got a bad batch of HDDs in and you got a bad batch of SSDs and that it's not really pertinent to overall longevity statistics?
Also, SSDs it's pretty important to keep up with Firmware, which is a bit different than HDDs (the tech just isn't as mature yet). There have been some models that would brick (Crucial M4 comes to mind, but it's hardly been the only one), but if the firmware is updated, they fix and then continue to work fine.
With RAID1 Seq Read: 938.4 MB/s
write = no improvement
Buy a Fast 1TB or higher storage for all your Music, Photo's, Games ETC, and put them on it in general the idea is to have about 3-4 drives per computer with one for storage of nothing but "Image Files" "Music" and such.
Another Drive just for games...
and for specific games which "Require Fast Access" caches, Chat Logs, Combat Logs such as EVE Online install them to a seperate 40 GB Drive, as the combat logs will kill the SSD Writes really fast and you don't want this, however in certain games it will actually increase the performance not just talking about loading times but the way the game works needing fast reads / writes.
On top of this you will want a "Back Up Drive at least 3 TB depending on the size of your other drives to back-up your personal files and data just in-case your computer gets ransomware virus in other words you will want "Generally 2 copies" of your data at all times at least.
2. Data/Games Drive: Samsung EVO 850 500GB
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One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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strong and able to take on the whole world...
oh sorry...that's wine...wine does that..."
Considering the fact that the average mmo these days consumes 25 - 30 gigs and some single player games even more 240 gigs are nothing.
I mean what's the big deal if the OS goes face up now and then if the OS is the only thing on it. Reinstall OS on new SSD and done.
I have 3 PC with combined SSD and HDD and never had more issues with SSD than I have with the HDD.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Nothing is a substitute for good backups.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
In larger arrays, RAID 5 is very risky. If you lose one drive, there is a good chance another is getting close to failure. If you replace the bad drive and rebuild the array, that other drive may fail during the rebuild, causing you to lose everything.
Better options are RAID 6 (which is RAID 5 but with enough parity to lose 2 drives) or RAID 1+0. This is probably getting off-topic for gaming, but the more you know...