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As to this game, the only thing left to do is wait. I made a minimum investment in the game so I can follow it more closely but will not put more money into it until I have an actual launched product to evaluate. To many unknowns at this point.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
So you choose to trust Lesnick over Roberts?
Interesting...
The RL currency/in-game currency exchanges are already flirting with the line. Bypassing that to go directly to buying ships (meaning no equalizing market force in the game to discourage rampant abuse of the store) is about as cut-and-dry as you can get.
I get the sentiment in your last sentence, though. The prisoners' dilemma can lead to all kinds of nasty outcomes.
Do you not understand or do you not want to understand....?
/sigh
What was cleared up was the claim that Ben said something and that the company had not made an announcement.
He did not correct his boss' mistake (Erillion's claim) and neither did he say they would not be selling ship packages post release.
Do you understand the difference here?
I'd agree with that. I mean I would really rather NOT see things like capital ships being sold. However, if someone wants to buy a starter ship, I say let them. Even mid-tier ships, I wouldn't have a problem with. Although, I get what you mean, too, so I would say if it was me rolling that out, maybe I would consider allowing for mid-tier ships to be purchased after, say, 1 year after release.
The reasoning is simple, there is this gap created which becomes a barrier to entry for players. So I can go to my buddy and say "Hey, come play this with me!" and they'll be like, "Ok!", but then when they get into the game they realize that they can't realistically play with me for 6 months because I've progressed so much further than they have. It's the whole reason for the Level 100 Character boosts in WoW too, right?
I would agree with you, though, that the best of the best should be earned in game. There needs to be some meat on the bone and reason to play the actual game.
Crazkanuk
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So despite what you said, despite what Shodanas said and despite what Erillion said we arrive right back at square one where Roberts had made a comment and there is no proof to say it was a mistake or that his mistake had been corrected.
You guys are kind of tiresome tbh.
Seriously guys.... what a fucking joke. If people really believes that they will be able to pull that of at this point... seriously... that is the biggest example of burying your head in the sand that I ever seen before... They never will accomplish that in any acceptable shape or form. Which made all this capital ship sales, specially, a pure and clear scam.
That been said... I agree with your line of thinking here. My problem with the situation is, once again, false advertising their game/project and making people believe in something different and then, changing that because... whatever reason.
That is NOT and never will be an example to be followed in any crowdfunded campaign and even if Star Citizen succeeded as the ultimate of the games (hah, let's extrapolate the dream) that wouldn't make all their marketing approach and bait-and-switch attitude something to be applauded and followed.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Ultimately it's all a waiting game, once Star Citizen is released we can then all argue who was right and wrong and listen to a deluge of 'I told you so'
Until then, all the backers should just keep an eye on what 'their' money was actually spent on, as I think a fair portion of the money raised by the backers has been misused.
Just remember the money raised was to support an existing developer (and their company) to make a 'Game' the money wasn't raised to make a gaming company/empire, and there is a distinction here, if you can't see what I'm talking about your missing the big picture.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
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A flying hull only says that there is a graphical hull in some state of completion, does not say anything about implemented Physics, bounding meshes or interior.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Furthermore, seeing the amount of bugs and glitches the game has now, even considering the tiny amount of content, they need like 4-6 months to iron them all out. If they implement half of the features they promised it will take like 2 years to get it all somewhat stable. It's just unfeasible.
http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68671/1/xl_citadel_vegas_closeup.jpg
Keep in mind that both the EVE Titan and essentially even the EVE XL Citadel have a player count of ONE. Yes, I can dock with a station, but i cannot walk around in the station (captains quarters does not count in that respect, as it is a single person instance). Communication with other players in game is chat (text or VOIP) only, never face to face.
I assume that @Babuinix is speaking about multiple players (23 in case of the Idris) using the same controlable asset. And in a ship such as the Idris people CAN do something different ... one is the pilot, one is the shield operator, one is EWAR operator, one is coms, one is sensor operator, one is the engineer, some are damage control teams, some are gunners, some are CAPCOM pilots of defending snub fighters, some are player marines repelling boarders.
In EVE this is not the case for the Titan. And only true in a limited way for the Citadel (someone can act as gunner, besides the owner of the citadel ... a Player owned station POS legacy)
So far the best example I know was the multiplayer ships in Star Wars Galaxies. In my YT1300 http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/YT-1300 you could be a pilot, gunner (x2), droid operator (=shield technician), engineer/damage control expert. In my pleasure yacht you could be pilot, bartender (several), dancer (many), musician (many), cheering crowd (many). http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Sorosuub_Luxury_Yacht
Some Star Trek games come to mind (especially the new VR one) were people can work together as a bridge crew .. but thats also limited to maybe 6 people.
Do other games have assets (like ships) were two dozen players can work together to control one asset/ship ? None comes to my mind immediately, but there ARE many games out there.
Have fun
He has a habit of jumping in threads and making outlandish statements, like the one above, which typically follow the same logic a 5 year old would use, ie bigger = better.
"When you say 'Biggest player controlable asset in gaming ever.' do you mean by a single player or by multiple players who crew the ship? Because if you mean single player you are incorrect, here is an example <example>. If you mean multicrew then I guess you are right".
But aggressive insults are easier...
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There's a reason for that and it's based on the history of the poster, not just some unfounded dislike or unwillingness to seek clarification. Previous attempts to discuss or correct these outlandish comments are typically just met with even more ridiculous claims.
After a point it's simply not worth the effort because history pretty much guarantees what the result will be.
You know what's really funny? You make assumptions about my position while trying to declare that people shouldn't be assumptive....
Have fun
Ah and we are talking human scale games with avatars, it's useless to bring EVE because their scale is skewed to be based on ship sizes not human size. Besides you can't even walk around those ships, visit the bridge walk to engine room , living quarters etc. I'm talking of flyable, playable, living flyable levels for dozens of players to share. You know the drill. BDSSE mundane assets.
Please don't try to impress us with stuff that is not playable yet.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.