My 9 year old loves it, I can actually get him to school on time now by saying, 'If you don't hurry up and get ready we wont be able to catch many Pokémon on the way to school' We pass about 7 pokestops and 2 gyms on the 20 min walk to school. Cough. I of course get to play it on the way back when I've dropped him off
I sympathize with you and understand how it can motivate children. Honestly this so pathetic in so many ways I feel sorry for society as a whole. The decline of western civilization is so evident and sometimes I feel alone in my convictions. On the other hand I see the light heartiness of it and can relate. Children are inspired by simple things but it is up to the parents and adults to guide them properly.
Cheers...
If I had this outlook I'd probably feel alone and sorry more for myself rather than society.
Nobody on this site right now has the right to judge anything based on this game. Everyone here is here because we all play games, most of us grew up with them. The hypocrisy needs to take a backseat, and people need to realize that not everyone has the same experiences as you. That basically culminates in people having very different outlooks in terms of how they handle themselves day to day.
There is no otherhand, @mortality understands how and what motivates their children. I was motivated similarly as a child, as were probably most people on this site, those that create games, I'd stand to bet a very large number seeing as how the average gamer these days is in their late 20s and 30s
Biggest MMO in the world? What? This does not match my definition of an MMO at all..
It actually is just an MMO, which stands for Massively Multipler Online. It is all those things. It encompasses the entire globe as the gaming world, which is the massive part. It does have multiple people playing all at once in the same gaming environment hence the actual world. And finally it is online.
The thing it is not is an MMORPG which is what you may be thinking.
Lots of people playing at once does not qualify, if so every popular single player game is an mmo. MMO means lots of people either playing together or the potential to play with people form a large pool.
This is a little bit different, though...
I was just at the post office and a guy comes in, rather quiet, glued to his phone, moves past me while muttering "excuse me", looks like he snaps a photo of the padded envelopes on display, rotates 90 degrees to his left, repeats the gesture, then leaves.
Chances are he was playing PMG. I only realized it once he left. Yes, he was playing a game on his phone, however there was an added layer of interaction on top of that as he cut past me in line to get to whatever it was he was after. It's where the whole "augmented" part comes in.
Otherwise, I agree with your post.
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Actually you can't unless you're driving under 30mph. Ingress monitors the speed specifically so players can't do fast drive by node grabbing. A well buffed and defended node isn't something you can take driving by anyway. You might be able to do a quick hack at 20 - 30, maybe.
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Agreed with the game being a huge battery drain. Also, if your phone has 2GB of RAM or less (at least on Android) the phone gets terribly slow if you keep the game minimized while multitasking. That is at least if you have a phone full of non-removable bloatware (thanks samsung!), the game just kills the little memory i have left.
Biggest MMO in the world? What? This does not match my definition of an MMO at all..
It actually is just an MMO, which stands for Massively Multipler Online. It is all those things. It encompasses the entire globe as the gaming world, which is the massive part. It does have multiple people playing all at once in the same gaming environment hence the actual world. And finally it is online.
The thing it is not is an MMORPG which is what you may be thinking.
Technically, yes, but only if you separate it from the traditional means of needing a "physical server". A traditional mmo uses a shared virtual space, so technically, the real world isn't a virtual space.
The game world in this game just happens to be the entire world. But on the screens of the phones it is a virtual world with multiple people going to the same areas. As multiple people will get the same alert in the same areas it is shared. I see where you were trying to go and agree it is a stretch but it does meet the criteria.
There are major group events planned in which people will be playing the game together. Once they add trading and PvP that will pretty much make it a full MMO and if people start roleplaying you have an RPG aspect. I can play a few MMO's now without talking or working with a single player.
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Pokemon Go is not so bad really. The only problem I have with it is that I'm required to walk around to the different PokeStops and Gyms. I live in a very rural area and it is a few miles between my house and the nearest PokeStop. Not only that, I'm a disabled Vet with foot issues and walking around for 2km, 5km or 10km to hatch a PokeEgg is just not going to happen for me. I could driver REALLY slowly I suppose but that is trouble just waiting to happen. Since my iPhone is using 9.3.2 then I can't jailbreak it to spoof my GPS location so I'm out of luck there as well. If I could play using my Wireless connection at my house and then spoof my location or just plain tap to move to a new location to find Pokemon then I would play this game. Right now, it looks decent enough to try around the house but that is about it.
Pokemon Go is not so bad really. The only problem I have with it is that I'm required to walk around to the different PokeStops and Gyms. I live in a very rural area and it is a few miles between my house and the nearest PokeStop. Not only that, I'm a disabled Vet with foot issues and walking around for 2km, 5km or 10km to hatch a PokeEgg is just not going to happen for me. I could driver REALLY slowly I suppose but that is trouble just waiting to happen. Since my iPhone is using 9.3.2 then I can't jailbreak it to spoof my GPS location so I'm out of luck there as well. If I could play using my Wireless connection at my house and then spoof my location or just plain tap to move to a new location to find Pokemon then I would play this game. Right now, it looks decent enough to try around the house but that is about it.
Ratero.
If you have to drive, just pull over and park when you come close to something or team up with someone and take turns driving. If you use incense 1 to 3 will come to you at home. Sometimes when I watch TV I'll leave the app open and they will just pop up next to me. Just some thoughts. Also if you try spoofing GPS you may get banned. The only people I've heard who can do it have tape cell phones to drones and operate it from a laptop.
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Ok, you win. It's an MMO by all technical definitions, it's massive, it's multiplayer, it's online. Yay for hitting the minimums! I guess technically Candy Crush is multiplayer since I can get gifts from other people.
What happens when that gamer rage kicks in and the guy is standing right next to you and happens to be quite a bit bigger? There's already been at least 1 assault and 1 sexual assault. People robbed, falling off cliffs.
Great, it gets you outside. Sad, it took a collecting sim to get you out of the house. As far as the "social" aspect goes, it is no more social than any other digital media. Take out the pokemon and those people never see each other again, there are no lasting friendships being made or plans to do anything but pokemon.
Pokemon Go is not so bad really. The only problem I have with it is that I'm required to walk around to the different PokeStops and Gyms. I live in a very rural area and it is a few miles between my house and the nearest PokeStop.
I live in a city with population of bit under 200 000. I feel like I could go to a 10 km walk in nature to visit Pokestops, or a 1 km walk in city center to visit the same number of Pokestops.
I don't really like heading to city center to get exercise. I don't think I'll be playing the game much longer.
I'm not gonna read articles where people try to redefine what an mmo is.
An MMO is and always has been a game where you play against or with other players, does Pokemon GO allow you to play with others in the game or compete against them?
by that definition that I assume you pull out of your ass then Quake from 1996 is an MMO
Quake was an mmo, you can play with a group of others that are pulled from a massive pool of potentials from all over the world. Same as Overwatch.
Those games didn't share the same virtual space with thousands of players on a massive scale though. Pokemon: Go, actually shares the real world, which is inhabited with billions of people.
It doesnt share anything tho.
If everyone went around with laptops or phones playing Tetris it wouldnt make it massively multiplayer.
You never interact with anyone directly nor does anyone see you progress unless you show them, which is the same as visiting a friends house that plays the same single player game as you to compare progress.
Just because we have portable devices now that doesnt make gaming on them massively multiplayer.
In fact, by some of the logic in this thread the original pokemon red and blue would be considered for mmo status because you ran around with a cable trying to battle people 1 vs 1 in the real world lol which is more than you can do currently in pokemon go!
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I actually hate how people here, authors, reviewers the staff are ever increasingly calling games MMO's just so they can talk about them, GO is not an MMO, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Its barely even a multiplayer game, zero direct contact by players with each other its a joke to call it an MMO, its even worse to have it on an MMO website.
We are def going to need a new definition for AR games, this is most def not an MMO in any normal sense...... unless you consider the real world an mmo.
Its more just a multiplayer game at this point really, if you want to go full hipster then an AROG, or augmented reality online game.....not in any way shape or form an mmo though that is for sure.
In the traditional gaming sense it is barely even a game. Compared to a AA PC game title pokemon go is a simplistic cash grab with no real point....but because its mobile and AR its oh so new and shiny so we love it. Still doesnt mean it is a "good" game though, in fact it is one of the most simplistic, mindless games ever created...but very innovative. Hell every single pokemon game ever created is more in depth than pokemon go.
"Biggest MMO in the world? What? This does not match my definition of an MMO at all.."
The typical my opinion is right and your opinion is wrong. I love these post.
Well lets take a look at it. Is it massive? YES, Is it multiplayer? YES and is it online? YES. So yea its an MMO.
MMO stands for Massively Multiplayer Online. Is it a mmorpg? NO.
It does not stand for Massively Multiplayer Online unless I say so.
You can't separate the double M at the beginning of the acronym without fundamentally changing the meaning of the term as it was originally coined; it's "Massively Multiplayer", not "Massive" + "Multiplayer".
I've seen people try to use this to shoehorn all sorts of titles in to fit this definition, everything from Elite Dangerous to No Man's Sky to Star Citizen.
Not sure why it's a big deal as most news/blogging sites geared toward covering traditional MMOs will cover other games more often than actual MMOs. By your logic, however, Yahoo Chess would qualify. On a meta level, PMG is more multiplayer than this by virtue of being tied to AR. Whether this adds anything of value to the experience I can't personally say.
Lastly, there isn't any meaningful difference between the acronyms MMO and MMORPG. People began dropping the last three letters out of laziness and because "MMORPG" is quite a mouthful. People began to jump on this to imply that "MMO" was a more inclusive term (bringing things in like MMOFPS, MMOTCG, MMOSCS, ad nauseam), however that's not why the term arose; Richard Garriot, for all his immaculate wisdom, didn't foresee that "MMORPG" just takes too much effort to say, and makes one look like an ultraspecific hipster.
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I'm not gonna read articles where people try to redefine what an mmo is.
An MMO is and always has been a game where you play against or with other players, does Pokemon GO allow you to play with others in the game or compete against them?
by that definition that I assume you pull out of your ass then Quake from 1996 is an MMO
Quake was an mmo, you can play with a group of others that are pulled from a massive pool of potentials from all over the world. Same as Overwatch.
Those games didn't share the same virtual space with thousands of players on a massive scale though. Pokemon: Go, actually shares the real world, which is inhabited with billions of people.
It doesnt share anything tho.
If everyone went around with laptops or phones playing Tetris it wouldnt make it massively multiplayer.
You never interact with anyone directly nor does anyone see you progress unless you show them, which is the same as visiting a friends house that plays the same single player game as you to compare progress.
Just because we have portable devices now that doesnt make gaming on them massively multiplayer.
In fact, by some of the logic in this thread the original pokemon red and blue would be considered for mmo status because you ran around with a cable trying to battle people 1 vs 1 in the real world lol which is more than you can do currently in pokemon go!
No, people do see your progress in Gyms. Several people in my area that I've met in RL because they're at those gyms retaking them often, it displays their pokemon CP and their player level.
When you challenge someone with multipl players, you see all players attacking that pokemon.
The major difference as others have said, in those other pokemon games, you didn't have the game serverside dictating whether theres a gym or a pokestop, and you didn't have things like lures that is specifically created to bring players together.
It's intended to bring players together IRL, not in the same way system links work, where you don't know where another player may pop up.
I find it funny so many people are naysaying this game and trying to stop the idea that this kind of game is being considered an "MMO".
I remember detractors complained and whined when games shifted to F2P too, and when Shooters started putting in MMO elements and they cried those weren't MMOs either. Or when more MMOs started being developed for consoles and people whined that they won't do well and they'll fail.
Years later, F2P is the MMO payment method of choice
Most shooters these days have Moba and MMO elements
Console MMO's do far better than their PC counterparts.
And Pokemon GO has already made more money than most MMOs do in their first month.
It may be a fad. It may not be the MMO. But it has made people go out ans walk. I am walking 6 miles a day since it came out. Plus meeting neighbors in park is priceless (they were indoors watching TV in old days lol)
everyone that's saying PoGo isn't an MMO because you don't interact with large groups of people is wrong. Just last night I went to a meetup for valor members in Toronto and it was a total blast. Was around 100 of us to start out with and another 100 or so ended up joining in for the quad lure we had going for 2 hours. Tonight I'm going to an unofficial launch event by the CN Tower and over 3k people are expected to attend.
Sure you can play PoGo solo and it's viable but the same can be said for any MMO. PoGo really shines when you get out there and chat with people, find other teammates and raid a gym, spend a day out in the sun farming lure drops, or just chat with like-minded nerds at a cafe.
So ya, anyone who says this isn't an MMO is wrong.
Gyms are not only for bragging, you get pokecoins and experience for taking over a gym and if you manage to hold it for 21+ hrs, you get more pokecoins the next day...that means 10 pokecoins per gym.
Also gym swiping is not just tapping like crazy, you need to dodge when the screen blinks yellow and you can also switch out suitable pokemon that's more effective against the target..its not just higher cp win...
Honestly this game is good it promotes socializing to an extent, i read not too long ago that an autistic kid manage to interact normally with people whist playing the game.
Combat is a LOT more in depth than you think. Tapping fast means nothing if your main attak is slower. You are better off dodging and waiting for your basic attack timer to refresh. Also, using the right skills on the right type of pokemon is crucial. I can easily smoke a 1800 vaporeon with my 1200 jolteon attacker, AS LONG AS my jolteon has a lightning main attack. I once used one that had a normal quick attack and I lost almost instantly. There is a great deal of depth to the game already, you just have to use your mind to unlock it.
Also, at 5k free stardust a day, the gym rewards are hardly "meaningless".
It would be real nice if you guys took more than 2 hours to try a game out before giving it an "initial" review. Remember, initial is not synonymous with uninformed.
It may be a fad. It may not be the MMO. But it has made people go out ans walk. I am walking 6 miles a day since it came out. Plus meeting neighbors in park is priceless (they were indoors watching TV in old days lol)
How long will you do this for?
The crowds in my area already gone, the novelty wears off really fast
Then you live in a very rural area with no people. I went out yesterday and saw hundreds out doing this.
Not to mention tomorrow evening there is a facebook group putting together an event.. over 1000 people have RSVP'd as yes.
When was the last time you saw over 1000 people in a single area in an MMO.
Just because you don't see them in your area doesn't mean they don't exist in droves.. Every day I go to the park I see at least several dozen of them. Granted, I live in a big city, but still, I seriously doubt that my city is the only one doing it seeing as how the game crashed yesterday because over 47 Million people tried logging in at once.
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Nobody on this site right now has the right to judge anything based on this game. Everyone here is here because we all play games, most of us grew up with them. The hypocrisy needs to take a backseat, and people need to realize that not everyone has the same experiences as you. That basically culminates in people having very different outlooks in terms of how they handle themselves day to day.
There is no otherhand, @mortality understands how and what motivates their children. I was motivated similarly as a child, as were probably most people on this site, those that create games, I'd stand to bet a very large number seeing as how the average gamer these days is in their late 20s and 30s
I was just at the post office and a guy comes in, rather quiet, glued to his phone, moves past me while muttering "excuse me", looks like he snaps a photo of the padded envelopes on display, rotates 90 degrees to his left, repeats the gesture, then leaves.
Chances are he was playing PMG. I only realized it once he left. Yes, he was playing a game on his phone, however there was an added layer of interaction on top of that as he cut past me in line to get to whatever it was he was after. It's where the whole "augmented" part comes in.
Otherwise, I agree with your post.
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No wonder this generation likes this kinda stuff.
Rush hour traffic is around 5 to 15 mph. Stopped at a light give more time. My sister is shocked I let her drive my car now when I pick her up. Also Yelp has a Pokestop filter now. https://www.yelpblog.com/2016/07/catch-em-yelps-new-pokestop-filter
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Ratero.
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What happens when that gamer rage kicks in and the guy is standing right next to you and happens to be quite a bit bigger? There's already been at least 1 assault and 1 sexual assault. People robbed, falling off cliffs.
Great, it gets you outside. Sad, it took a collecting sim to get you out of the house. As far as the "social" aspect goes, it is no more social than any other digital media. Take out the pokemon and those people never see each other again, there are no lasting friendships being made or plans to do anything but pokemon.
I don't really like heading to city center to get exercise. I don't think I'll be playing the game much longer.
It doesnt share anything tho.
If everyone went around with laptops or phones playing Tetris it wouldnt make it massively multiplayer.
You never interact with anyone directly nor does anyone see you progress unless you show them, which is the same as visiting a friends house that plays the same single player game as you to compare progress.
Just because we have portable devices now that doesnt make gaming on them massively multiplayer. In fact, by some of the logic in this thread the original pokemon red and blue would be considered for mmo status because you ran around with a cable trying to battle people 1 vs 1 in the real world lol which is more than you can do currently in pokemon go!
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It is considered a Real World MMO. That is what most people call it.
Its barely even a multiplayer game, zero direct contact by players with each other its a joke to call it an MMO, its even worse to have it on an MMO website.
Its more just a multiplayer game at this point really, if you want to go full hipster then an AROG, or augmented reality online game.....not in any way shape or form an mmo though that is for sure.
In the traditional gaming sense it is barely even a game. Compared to a AA PC game title pokemon go is a simplistic cash grab with no real point....but because its mobile and AR its oh so new and shiny so we love it. Still doesnt mean it is a "good" game though, in fact it is one of the most simplistic, mindless games ever created...but very innovative. Hell every single pokemon game ever created is more in depth than pokemon go.
I've seen people try to use this to shoehorn all sorts of titles in to fit this definition, everything from Elite Dangerous to No Man's Sky to Star Citizen.
Not sure why it's a big deal as most news/blogging sites geared toward covering traditional MMOs will cover other games more often than actual MMOs. By your logic, however, Yahoo Chess would qualify. On a meta level, PMG is more multiplayer than this by virtue of being tied to AR. Whether this adds anything of value to the experience I can't personally say.
Lastly, there isn't any meaningful difference between the acronyms MMO and MMORPG. People began dropping the last three letters out of laziness and because "MMORPG" is quite a mouthful. People began to jump on this to imply that "MMO" was a more inclusive term (bringing things in like MMOFPS, MMOTCG, MMOSCS, ad nauseam), however that's not why the term arose; Richard Garriot, for all his immaculate wisdom, didn't foresee that "MMORPG" just takes too much effort to say, and makes one look like an ultraspecific hipster.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
When you challenge someone with multipl players, you see all players attacking that pokemon.
The major difference as others have said, in those other pokemon games, you didn't have the game serverside dictating whether theres a gym or a pokestop, and you didn't have things like lures that is specifically created to bring players together.
It's intended to bring players together IRL, not in the same way system links work, where you don't know where another player may pop up.
I find it funny so many people are naysaying this game and trying to stop the idea that this kind of game is being considered an "MMO".
I remember detractors complained and whined when games shifted to F2P too, and when Shooters started putting in MMO elements and they cried those weren't MMOs either. Or when more MMOs started being developed for consoles and people whined that they won't do well and they'll fail.
Years later, F2P is the MMO payment method of choice
Most shooters these days have Moba and MMO elements
Console MMO's do far better than their PC counterparts.
And Pokemon GO has already made more money than most MMOs do in their first month.
Welcome to the new MMOs.
Sure you can play PoGo solo and it's viable but the same can be said for any MMO. PoGo really shines when you get out there and chat with people, find other teammates and raid a gym, spend a day out in the sun farming lure drops, or just chat with like-minded nerds at a cafe.
So ya, anyone who says this isn't an MMO is wrong.
Also gym swiping is not just tapping like crazy, you need to dodge when the screen blinks yellow and you can also switch out suitable pokemon that's more effective against the target..its not just higher cp win...
Honestly this game is good it promotes socializing to an extent, i read not too long ago that an autistic kid manage to interact normally with people whist playing the game.
Well it is Massive Multiplayer Online game, so a MMO... It has RPG elements too, leveling and items and PvP and all.
It is a MMO, but for mobile and every non-gamer out there.
Serious hype around this, in my local student village there was like 40-50 people walking around playing PokeGO 1.00 A.M. last night.
And they are not kids, or at least their physical age is 20 and more...
Combat is a LOT more in depth than you think. Tapping fast means nothing if your main attak is slower. You are better off dodging and waiting for your basic attack timer to refresh. Also, using the right skills on the right type of pokemon is crucial. I can easily smoke a 1800 vaporeon with my 1200 jolteon attacker, AS LONG AS my jolteon has a lightning main attack. I once used one that had a normal quick attack and I lost almost instantly. There is a great deal of depth to the game already, you just have to use your mind to unlock it.
Also, at 5k free stardust a day, the gym rewards are hardly "meaningless".
It would be real nice if you guys took more than 2 hours to try a game out before giving it an "initial" review. Remember, initial is not synonymous with uninformed.
Not to mention tomorrow evening there is a facebook group putting together an event.. over 1000 people have RSVP'd as yes.
When was the last time you saw over 1000 people in a single area in an MMO.
Just because you don't see them in your area doesn't mean they don't exist in droves.. Every day I go to the park I see at least several dozen of them. Granted, I live in a big city, but still, I seriously doubt that my city is the only one doing it seeing as how the game crashed yesterday because over 47 Million people tried logging in at once.
"SERVER UPDATE: There is currently, 47,302,242 people trying to log in world wide. Please be patient if your game crashes."