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What MMO is the Most P2W?
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거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
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I have not played all potentially p2w games, of course, because I avoid them if I sense the possibility of it. However, the most p2w (however you define it) game that I have ever played is ArcheAge. The reason is because (entirely my definition and standards) that if you pay a sub, you shouldn't need to spend money in the cash shop to have fun.
With ArcheAge, I feel that even if you are a patron, if you want to participate in endgame pvp in a meaningful way within a reasonable amount of time (if you have a job, family, social life and you can't play 16 hours a day) then you are pretty much going to need to spend money (eg. for item regrades, to get gold, etc.).
Though there is A LOT I absolutely loved about AA, I just couldn't justify to myself committing the time and money it would take to be committed to the game.
I know DMKano says he didn't spend money in the cash shop and I believe him, but my experience wasn't like that.
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For me, AA was unparalleled p2w. All forms of personal and guild progression were gated behind cash shop purchases. Want to improve the power of your weapon, buy items that give you more success in crafting. Want more labor to be able to play/craft/gather more, buy a potion. Better mounts, mount armor, a better look, a better anything, its in the shop. Want to own more property, buy tax certs in the shop. More bag space, hit the shop. Bad reputation, just buy the potion and it will fix it.
For me, the direct impact of external purchases on the character and game world completely destroys the premise that mmorpgs were founded on: the premise being that its your decisions, skill and commitment to the game and its world that determine what you achieve and the outcome of events.
In order to build the decks that I wanted to build, I had to keep pumping money into the system and hoping that I get the cards I wanted. Without a system in place to buy, sell or trade cards with other players, my only option was to keep injecting money. After I got a hundred bucks or so into the base game, I decided to call it quits.
As someone who played dozens of CCG's in the 90's and early oughts, I really felt used by this system. If I really really wanted an M:tG card, then I could spend the money to buy it from a gaming store shelf or eBay.
I may love Overwatch, but I'm no Blizzard fanboy, and after Hearthstone it was gonna take a lot to bring me back to battlenet.
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The main reason AA really stood out as p2w for me was that it was the first game (that I am aware of) that charged a sub and had an aggressive "p2w" cash shop. Up until AA, one of the main justifications for having a sub was that it essentially protected players from extreme p2w cash shops.
Trion's monetization approach appeared to be gouging players from both ends, and not only did I find that kind of shocking, but it also made me worry that future games would adopt the same monetization style.
So I don't know if AA is "the most p2w" game, but its monetization model pissed me off more than any other mmo. Especially when compared to games like GW2 which gives you the entire game for $60 for ever and is set up so a player can be competitive without ever using the cash shop or having to grind for ages.
So no, i don't think its abnormal, and there has always been a marked difference between content creators, and those who just post an opinion from time to time.
As another said I usually identify the P2W stink pretty early as was the case in AA even though I was an alpha backer.
I never played at launch as the overall mismanagement was readily apparent in several areas, not just the payment model.
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To me though they are all P2W, except Allods, Ryzom, and Istaria. Why because in those 3 games, every one can only pay the sub fee, and has to earn everything else. In every other game besides those 3, any one can dump money in, and get stuff. Then you get into the black market on all those games, and you literally can obtain anything with money, and they are so big that account trading is not enforced. So most of them said hey, lets just give the people what they want, give us money and we will give you a instant level 100.
I know I am a tiny minority. The real question is though, how come people get so defensive when you call their game pay 2 win. Are people really that insecure about the large amounts of money they spend on games, and want to convenience every one, that dumping large amounts of money into a game, doesn't = P2W.