Whats unique about SC is not the amount of money individual people throw at it, it's the amount of money it gets as a whole. Other kickstarter campaigns saw guys with 10k+, too. Just take a look at Chroicles of Elyria. 4 people paid $10.000 at least. There's also someone who paid $5,500 for a new razor.
10 or 20k from one guy is nothing for Kickstarter projects, 2 million on Kickstarter is just enough to stand out a bit (many projects what a few hundred thousand), but over 100 million in total is what makes it special (for good or worse).
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Many here don't understand why someone would donate $10.000-25.000 because they aren't millionaires. When you are a millionaire without a game to enjoy you either make it yourself or support other games that you believe will be the next big thing you'll enjoy, it's that simple, cuz at the end $ is useless if you don't spend it.
Many here don't understand why someone would donate $10.000-25.000 because they aren't millionaires. When you are a millionaire without a game to enjoy you either make it yourself or support other games that you believe will be the next big thing you'll enjoy, it's that simple, cuz at the end $ is useless if you don't spend it.
It's not a hard concept to wrap my head around.
However, that's not entirely the narrative being presented in the article. The guy who spent over $20k states "[I’m] not wealthy, by any means".
This begs the question 'what's really going on here'?... he says it's "fun money", but... is being a SC backer at this point really that fun?
Others may not find it as intriguing as I do.
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I'm not sure what country you are from but you don't seem to understand that to many people 20k is chump change.
When you're making well over 6 figures a year, you're practically looking for things to waste money on.
When you're making good money, it's just there to waste honestly. If people want to spend it on a game, more power to them. No more or less wasteful than designer clothes, a car well above what you need or anything else people throw money away on.
That's what I thought too at first. But reading different articles none of the ones interviewed were rich. One guy worked a second job to put in his 10K another guy serves in the armed forces, and so on.
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I still think it's silly regardless of whether it's sofa money or not. It's like that guy that cycles for one hour on Sundays spending $6000 on a bike, it's just unnecessarily excessive. A lack of perspective in my opinion. I guess whales are gonna whale.
It is easy for us to judge others based on our perceived reality. Some of us would give our extra money to feed the poor, or help an organization trying to find a cure for a disease. Others donate to support a game. It is just a matter of choices we make, and every choice has a consequence. Try not to judge others too harshly. We are all in different phases of our life.
THAT is to me the central message of this article:
"Maybe that’s what’s unique about Star Citizen: that for at least some of its backers (the happy ones) it’s not a product they’re paying for, but the experience of being a backer.
Like that age-old piece of advice to gamblers heading out to Vegas for
the weekend, the people who come back happy aren’t generally the people
who go to win, but the people who can see their losses at the tables as
the price of a good time."
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'the people who come back happy aren’t generally the people
who go to win, but the people who can see their losses at the tables as
the price of a good time."
For this to be true there would have to be a game for them to play, a game for them to lose at. As of now there is no game.
The only way to equate an unreleased game to the price of a good time is if you look at giving the company money and "maybe it will release or it wont" thus creating a gambling situation and the illusion of a game where people are having a good time when its really will the company deliver the game.
For this to be true there would have to be a game for them to play, a game for them to lose at. As of now there is no game.
That is the point where i think you err.
There IS a game (in an alpha state). Me and other backers have already put hundreds of hours into it ..... and enjoyed it. Usually through interacting with other great guys and gals we meet online. And we look forward to play the finished, polished version even more. And again enjoy it.
For this to be true there would have to be a game for them to play, a game for them to lose at. As of now there is no game.
That is the point where i think you err.
There IS a game (in an alpha state). Me and other backers have already put hundreds of hours into it ..... and enjoyed it. Usually through interacting with other great guys and gals we meet online. And we look forward to play the finished, polished version even more. And again enjoy it.
Your mileage may vary.
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"Like that age-old piece of advice to gamblers heading out to Vegas for
the weekend"
Not in err.
Are you really trying to say gambling in Vegas is in alpha and everyone who is gambling is paying to play test?
There is just no way SC backers can be compared to someone gambling in Vegas. The comparison is very poor.
For this to be true there would have to be a game for them to play, a game for them to lose at. As of now there is no game.
That is the point where i think you err.
There IS a game (in an alpha state). Me and other backers have already put hundreds of hours into it ..... and enjoyed it. Usually through interacting with other great guys and gals we meet online. And we look forward to play the finished, polished version even more. And again enjoy it.
Your mileage may vary.
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"Like that age-old piece of advice to gamblers heading out to Vegas for
the weekend"
Not in err.
Are you really trying to say gambling in Vegas is in alpha and everyone who is gambling is paying to play test?
There is just no way SC backers can be compared to someone gambling in Vegas. The comparison is very poor.
That analogy is applied to any kickstarter project. You're gambling with your money to see if you can get some kind of pay out.
A good rule of thumb when backing a kickstarter, or a similar crowdfunding project, is to realize you're money is spent and gone once you make that decision. After that, you just have to wait and see if your gamble pays off.
I knew exactly what I was getting into when I backed SC in 2014.
That analogy is applied to any kickstarter project. You're gambling with your money to see if you can get some kind of pay out.
A good rule of thumb when backing a kickstarter, or a similar crowdfunding project, is to realize you're money is spent and gone once you make that decision. After that, you just have to wait and see if your gamble pays off.
I knew exactly what I was getting into when I backed SC in 2014.
When you are gambling, you expect a return considerable more than you put in. When the expected return is somewhat uncertain (ie the same or less) than you put in, why gamble at all? It is more prudent to search for less riskier alternatives if you would want to support a cause.
If I can gain an object A by paying Z amount later, why should I pay Z++ amount now without any guarantee that I will that get that same object later? Its a matter of perspectives, not all people see the same thing, and it frustrates them. In this case, there are those who, IMO, little over zealous in defending their views.
It is more similar to say that you are investing in a 'dream'. Dream is a dream until it is made into a reality. Since you are investing in 'your' dream, it is understandable that discussing the subject can make certain people 'touchy'.
It is more similar to say that you are investing in a 'dream'. Dream is a dream until it is made into a reality. Since you are investing in 'your' dream, it is understandable that discussing the subject can make certain people 'touchy'.
But it's worse than that actually. These people aren't even investing in their dream. They are dropping tens of thousands on someone else's dream and, in the end, it may not be what they were expecting at all.
Investing in your dream is going out and spending tens of thousands and having control over the finished product.
I don't know what I'm "not doing," but yes, if he netted almost 2.8 million dollars on "clicks" for spending $28,000 on a grilled cheese, I can judge it positively. Good job random guy.
These people aren't even investing in their dream.
How would you know what someone else's dream is ?
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How would they know what someone else's dream is?
Unless these investors are some kind of hive mind with co-decision making powers in the direction of the game, then they aren't investing in their dream. They're investing in the hope of a dream. That's called gambling.
But that is apathetic, moreover it's apologising because if you were to judge other people's spending then you would also have to judge your own and what have you spent now, $600 minimum? which is 10x the usual outlay for a computer game. What I find interesting is the psychological side to all of this because when you put that sort of money into a game, it cannot not be worth it..
People are going to be having fun playing the alpha, no doubts about that, but at some level they'll also be convincing themselves they're having extra special fun because otherwise they wouldn't have spent quite so much. It's an interesting situation.
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10 or 20k from one guy is nothing for Kickstarter projects, 2 million on Kickstarter is just enough to stand out a bit (many projects what a few hundred thousand), but over 100 million in total is what makes it special (for good or worse).
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
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However, that's not entirely the narrative being presented in the article. The guy who spent over $20k states "[I’m] not wealthy, by any means".
This begs the question 'what's really going on here'?... he says it's "fun money", but... is being a SC backer at this point really that fun?
Others may not find it as intriguing as I do.
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Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
For THAT backer yes. For me too.
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I guess whales are gonna whale.
For this to be true there would have to be a game for them to play, a game for them to lose at. As of now there is no game.
The only way to equate an unreleased game to the price of a good time is if you look at giving the company money and "maybe it will release or it wont" thus creating a gambling situation and the illusion of a game where people are having a good time when its really will the company deliver the game.
Continue on with the smoke & mirrors.
There IS a game (in an alpha state). Me and other backers have already put hundreds of hours into it ..... and enjoyed it. Usually through interacting with other great guys and gals we meet online. And we look forward to play the finished, polished version even more. And again enjoy it.
Your mileage may vary.
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Not in err.
Are you really trying to say gambling in Vegas is in alpha and everyone who is gambling is paying to play test?
There is just no way SC backers can be compared to someone gambling in Vegas. The comparison is very poor.
A good rule of thumb when backing a kickstarter, or a similar crowdfunding project, is to realize you're money is spent and gone once you make that decision. After that, you just have to wait and see if your gamble pays off.
I knew exactly what I was getting into when I backed SC in 2014.
If I can gain an object A by paying Z amount later, why should I pay Z++ amount now without any guarantee that I will that get that same object later?
Its a matter of perspectives, not all people see the same thing, and it frustrates them. In this case, there are those who, IMO, little over zealous in defending their views.
It is more similar to say that you are investing in a 'dream'. Dream is a dream until it is made into a reality. Since you are investing in 'your' dream, it is understandable that discussing the subject can make certain people 'touchy'.
Investing in your dream is going out and spending tens of thousands and having control over the finished product.
This is quite literally gambling.
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My life's ambition is to spend lots of money on game assets before a game is made?
Herp derp
$28,000 on a grilled cheese sandwich that resembled the Virgin Mary.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-15-craziest-things-people-have-actually-bought-2011-3?op=1&IR=T
Who am I to judge what makes someone else happy ?
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Unless these investors are some kind of hive mind with co-decision making powers in the direction of the game, then they aren't investing in their dream. They're investing in the hope of a dream. That's called gambling.
But that is apathetic, moreover it's apologising because if you were to judge other people's spending then you would also have to judge your own and what have you spent now, $600 minimum? which is 10x the usual outlay for a computer game. What I find interesting is the psychological side to all of this because when you put that sort of money into a game, it cannot not be worth it..
People are going to be having fun playing the alpha, no doubts about that, but at some level they'll also be convincing themselves they're having extra special fun because otherwise they wouldn't have spent quite so much.
It's an interesting situation.