I am not sure where you come from but to me that is NOT a thing for joking.
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There's this thing called freedom of speech in my country. It means people are allowed to post tasteless jokes that I don't like and don't go to prison.
It also means public slander can result in a lawsuit with serious consequences.
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
And she then has every right to shove your freedom of speech of lies and false statements down your throat with a "slander" prosecution and drag you to court. Because THAT is also a basic liberty.
Have fun
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
They don't target everyone specifically - and they don't do it repeatedly, no. They do that only for a select few - and Gardner/Chris are the primary targets.
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
Stop trying to analyze my personality and try to talk about the topic.
My point is that if you're going to be a public person you're DEFINITELY going to have people hating on you no matter how "good" you are. It's just our nature as human beings. If you can't handle it then avoid the limelight.
They do target everyone they can, including numerous other CIG developers... there were 2 pages talking about a random dev's hair the other day for crying out loud. Chris,Sandi,Ben are obviously going to be their primary targets and Disco sometimes, though people (goons) seem to like him more than others. Their primary target is CIG as a whole and their selling of everything practices. Also, 99% of the content goons post is on the SA forums which is behind a paywall.
There's this thing called freedom of speech in my country. It means people are allowed to post tasteless jokes that I don't like and don't go to prison.
About child porn and abuse ?
Nope. Not even in the USA. ESPECIALLY not in the USA.
Certainly not in Europe where I live.
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Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Yup. These here discussions start going downhill real fast when the good ole boys start getting all legal like
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
And she then has every right to shove your freedom of speech of lies and false statements down your throat with a "slander" prosecution and drag you to court. Because THAT is also a basic liberty.
Have fun
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Oh, so saying "whatever cruel thing you desire" is exclusively about "mean names" now?
I get it - you like to pretend you don't back down from your ridiculous claims by changing what you said into something you definitely didn't say?
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Yup. These here discussions start going downhill real fast when the good ole boys start getting all legal like
It's almost like forum lawyers weren't real lawyers all along!
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
They don't target everyone specifically - and they don't do it repeatedly, no. They do that only for a select few - and Gardner/Chris are the primary targets.
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
Stop trying to analyze my personality and try to talk about the topic.
My point is that if you're going to be a public person you're DEFINITELY going to have people hating on you no matter how "good" you are. It's just our nature as human beings. If you can't handle it then avoid the limelight.
They do target everyone they can, including numerous other CIG developers... there were 2 pages talking about a random dev's hair the other day for crying out loud. Chris,Sandi,Ben are obviously going to be their primary targets and Disco sometimes, though people (goons) seem to like him more than others. Their primary target is CIG as a whole and their selling of everything practices. Also, 99% of the content goons post is on the SA forums which is behind a paywall.
I'm not analysing your personality - I'm calling your mindset your mindset.
That's going to stop when I no longer think it's relevant.
So, now you acknowledge that it's about hatred and not "funny stuff"? That's something, I guess.
We also seem to agree that their target is not the people in question - which makes it even worse, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree that if you don't want to be hated in public - then it's safer to stay private.
However, I wouldn't say to a cop that he should stop being a cop because he doesn't want to get shot. I'm actually glad some people are taking that risk and doing their best to protect me.
I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because there's a way to avoid it.
There's this thing called freedom of speech in my country. It means people are allowed to post tasteless jokes that I don't like and don't go to prison.
About child porn and abuse ?
Nope. Not even in the USA. ESPECIALLY not in the USA.
Certainly not in Europe where I live.
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I guess that's why Jimmy Carr and Frankie Boyle are in prison right?
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Yup. These here discussions start going downhill real fast when the good ole boys start getting all legal like
It's almost like forum lawyers weren't real lawyers all along!
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
And she then has every right to shove your freedom of speech of lies and false statements down your throat with a "slander" prosecution and drag you to court. Because THAT is also a basic liberty.
Have fun
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Oh, so saying "whatever cruel thing you desire" is exclusively about "mean names" now?
I get it - you like to pretend you don't back down from your ridiculous claims by changing what you said into something you definitely didn't say?
Cool
No, I can say whatever cruel thing I desire to her, provided I do not harass or threaten her. When was the last time you saw someone file a slander case, let alone win it? Do you realize how difficult it is to win on slander? Do you even know what slander is?
"Defamation," is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called "libel," and spoken defamation is called "slander." Defamation is not a crime, but it is a "tort" (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong).
Saying something - anything - nasty to a private citizen doesn't qualify as defaming them. They would have to prove that you took your malicious utterings, turned them into a campaign that damaged their reputation, and THEN - in order to seek compensation - they'd have to prove that it did the victim financial harm. Those are the standards for winning on slander.
But, hey, you just carry on thinking that freedom of speech doesn't cover being a nasty person. It's very easy to twist the law into whatever you want when you have absolutely no knowledge of it.
You're kidding right? You are aware that I could walk up to her in public and say whatever cruel thing I desired, provided I didn't threaten her, right? It's called freedom of speech - something we actually defend in this country. Now, no, you aren't allowed to stalk and harass people... but you can certainly speak your mind, give them an earful, and even sling naughty words in their direction.
And she then has every right to shove your freedom of speech of lies and false statements down your throat with a "slander" prosecution and drag you to court. Because THAT is also a basic liberty.
Have fun
Lol. Calling someone mean names doesn't even meet the minimum standards for a slander case. I swear to God, people on these forums have such a skewed view of the legal system - it's like you're all graduates of the Lionel Hutz internet school of courtroom thingies.
Oh, so saying "whatever cruel thing you desire" is exclusively about "mean names" now?
I get it - you like to pretend you don't back down from your ridiculous claims by changing what you said into something you definitely didn't say?
Cool
No, I can say whatever cruel thing I desire to her, provided I do not harass or threaten her. When was the last time you saw someone file a slander case, let alone win it? Do you realize how difficult it is to win on slander? Do you even know what slander is?
"Defamation," is a catch-all term for any statement that hurts someone's reputation. Written defamation is called "libel," and spoken defamation is called "slander." Defamation is not a crime, but it is a "tort" (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong).
Saying something - anything - nasty to a private citizen doesn't qualify as defaming them. They would have to prove that you took your malicious utterings, turned them into a campaign that damaged their reputation, and THEN - in order to seek compensation - they'd have to prove that it did the victim financial harm. Those are the standards for winning on slander.
But, hey, you just carry on thinking that freedom of speech doesn't cover being a nasty person. It's very easy to twist the law into whatever you want when you have absolutely no knowledge of it.
It wouldn't be too hard to prove anything you said in public - seeing as how things said in public tend to have witnesses. If you call an established public person a racist and former porn star in public - you don't think that could possibly be perceived as slander or defamation?
I'm not saying it's easy to win such a case, though. I'm saying the case itself is a possible result.
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
They don't target everyone specifically - and they don't do it repeatedly, no. They do that only for a select few - and Gardner/Chris are the primary targets.
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
Stop trying to analyze my personality and try to talk about the topic.
My point is that if you're going to be a public person you're DEFINITELY going to have people hating on you no matter how "good" you are. It's just our nature as human beings. If you can't handle it then avoid the limelight.
They do target everyone they can, including numerous other CIG developers... there were 2 pages talking about a random dev's hair the other day for crying out loud. Chris,Sandi,Ben are obviously going to be their primary targets and Disco sometimes, though people (goons) seem to like him more than others. Their primary target is CIG as a whole and their selling of everything practices. Also, 99% of the content goons post is on the SA forums which is behind a paywall.
I'm not analysing your personality - I'm calling your mindset your mindset.
That's going to stop when I no longer think it's relevant.
So, now you acknowledge that it's about hatred and not "funny stuff"? That's something, I guess.
We also seem to agree that their target is not the people in question - which makes it even worse, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree that if you don't want to be hated in public - then it's safer to stay private.
However, I wouldn't say to a cop that he should stop being a cop because he doesn't want to get shot. I'm actually glad some people are taking that risk and doing their best to protect me.
I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because there's a way to avoid it.
That would make me unreasonable.
Yeah well, for the second time, please stop talking about me. Talk about the topic.
I never said it was about hatred. They often have too much time laughing,joking or ridiculing stuff (or themselves) to actually hate anything. At least that's been my experience from interacting with them.
How do you avoid then"horrible behaviour" in this case then? Punish the person who wrote "tickle tickle"?
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
So you are saying if she was a man this would never happen? That is about the dumbest thing ever. I'm so tired of that victim card garbage. Roberts has gotten plenty of criticism too, and last I heard he wasn't woman. This idea that anyone is above criticism because they belong so some protected group is pure idiocy. If she didn't want to deal with it then why take the job? These people only want attention when it suits them and they throw a tantrum and "quit" social media when they can't take it. Every public figure gets trolled on the internet, not just women.
What does CIG have to do with her kids or her movie career?
What do you mean they post "funny stuff"? What's funny about posting pictures of her kids or fabricating claims of porn movies, and what's funny about accusing her of racism?
I mean, no one can force you to think about your position - but please be aware that you're speaking in public and being in denial about what they're doing is not helping your case here.
She works for CIG, they don't like SC, CIG makes SC, they ridicule everyone involved with CIG as per freedom of speech.
Who posted pictures of her kids? Was it Goons or DS? The ones she posted on her kids IMDB page? The ones publicly available to everyone? As far as I can tell those soft porn movies weren't fabricated. Accusing her of racism? yeah ok.. someone recently accused her of taking up carpentry as well... is that also harassment?
I understand all this is humour, but of course I wouldn't want to be a target for them. Then again that's what happens when you're a public person. There's plenty of other public personas with a lot more serious problems (stalkers,fans,etc) than people typing "tickle tickle" on their twitters.
If you can't handle criticism, then don't forefront the largest crowdfunded project in history.
They don't target everyone specifically - and they don't do it repeatedly, no. They do that only for a select few - and Gardner/Chris are the primary targets.
If you want to pretend otherwise, fine, but you're only hurting your case by being ignorant in public.
So you're the kind of person who equates a hate campaign involving highly inappropriate accusations and personal information made public with "criticism".
Your response is that if you can't deal with that kind of "criticism" - you should go back in time and understand what will happen because of a tiny subset of hateful intolerant people - and not do what you think will help your husband achieve his goals whilst improving your own career?
That kinda explains your basic mindset sufficiently, I'd say.
Stop trying to analyze my personality and try to talk about the topic.
My point is that if you're going to be a public person you're DEFINITELY going to have people hating on you no matter how "good" you are. It's just our nature as human beings. If you can't handle it then avoid the limelight.
They do target everyone they can, including numerous other CIG developers... there were 2 pages talking about a random dev's hair the other day for crying out loud. Chris,Sandi,Ben are obviously going to be their primary targets and Disco sometimes, though people (goons) seem to like him more than others. Their primary target is CIG as a whole and their selling of everything practices. Also, 99% of the content goons post is on the SA forums which is behind a paywall.
I'm not analysing your personality - I'm calling your mindset your mindset.
That's going to stop when I no longer think it's relevant.
So, now you acknowledge that it's about hatred and not "funny stuff"? That's something, I guess.
We also seem to agree that their target is not the people in question - which makes it even worse, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree that if you don't want to be hated in public - then it's safer to stay private.
However, I wouldn't say to a cop that he should stop being a cop because he doesn't want to get shot. I'm actually glad some people are taking that risk and doing their best to protect me.
I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because there's a way to avoid it.
That would make me unreasonable.
Yeah well, for the second time, please stop talking about me. Talk about the topic.
I never said it was about hatred. They often have too much time laughing,joking or ridiculing stuff (or themselves) to actually hate anything. At least that's been my experience from interacting with them.
How do you avoid then"horrible behaviour" in this case then? Punish the person who wrote "tickle tickle"?
Let me get this straight:
You're asking me to please stop talking about you - in a public debate where YOU are suggesting Sandi Gardner should just stay out of the public eye if she can't handle what people are saying about her.
I find that deliciously ironic and incredibly telling of you as a person.
I said I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because she could have avoided it by not being public. It's not rocket science.
Again, if you think it's a joke to call people racist or former porn stars - or to drag their children into the public eye - then let's just say we have a different sense of humor.
Obviously, you have no empathy or understanding of what such a thing must be like - and I'm saying I have a much better understanding of what you're like and where you're coming from.
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
So you are saying if she was a man this would never happen? That is about the dumbest thing ever. I'm so tired of that victim card garbage. Roberts has gotten plenty of criticism too, and last I heard he wasn't woman. This idea that anyone is above criticism because they belong so some protected group is pure idiocy. If she didn't want to deal with it then why take the job? These people only want attention when it suits them and they throw a tantrum and "quit" social media when they can't take it. Every public figure gets trolled on the internet, not just women.
I'd argue that Ben has taken a lot more flak for being fat than Sandi for being a woman.
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
So you are saying if she was a man this would never happen? That is about the dumbest thing ever. I'm so tired of that victim card garbage. Roberts has gotten plenty of criticism too, and last I heard he wasn't woman. This idea that anyone is above criticism because they belong so some protected group is pure idiocy. If she didn't want to deal with it then why take the job? These people only want attention when it suits them and they throw a tantrum and "quit" social media when they can't take it. Every public figure gets trolled on the internet, not just women.
I'd argue that Ben has taken a lot more flak for being fat than Sandi for being a woman.
I'd have to agree; Ben has caught a metric shit ton of flak from SA over his weight and general disposition. The only thing Sandi's gender has to do with all this is the avenue of attack used by people who want to get at her. If she was a man they'd find something that upsets men to say about her.
The hate and trolling are about getting at CIG and it's employees and nothing to do with their genders.
EDIT: I'd like to note that I find the harassment out of line and in rather poor taste, but it's just as out of line to make this about something it is not about.
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
So you are saying if she was a man this would never happen? That is about the dumbest thing ever. I'm so tired of that victim card garbage. Roberts has gotten plenty of criticism too, and last I heard he wasn't woman. This idea that anyone is above criticism because they belong so some protected group is pure idiocy. If she didn't want to deal with it then why take the job? These people only want attention when it suits them and they throw a tantrum and "quit" social media when they can't take it. Every public figure gets trolled on the internet, not just women.
I'd argue that Ben has taken a lot more flak for being fat than Sandi for being a woman.
Well lazy trolls always go for the low hanging fruit of course. Just like that black actress from that horrible Ghostbusters movie. Yeah she's black so people spammed monkey meme's and shit. People love to get a reaction by trying to be offensive, and it usually works, which is why they do it. If it's a woman, they will call her a bitch or whatever. They just go for what is obvious, but that doesn't mean if they were a different race or gender that they would not get trolled. They would just get trolled differently. It doesn't make much sense to spam harambe meme's at a fat white guy does it? I'm just tired of the social justice warrior narrative that people only get made fun of because they belong to some group or another. Get over it, no one is above criticism or trolling, especially on the internet. If you don't like it, then stay the hell off social media.
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
So you are saying if she was a man this would never happen? That is about the dumbest thing ever. I'm so tired of that victim card garbage. Roberts has gotten plenty of criticism too, and last I heard he wasn't woman. This idea that anyone is above criticism because they belong so some protected group is pure idiocy. If she didn't want to deal with it then why take the job? These people only want attention when it suits them and they throw a tantrum and "quit" social media when they can't take it. Every public figure gets trolled on the internet, not just women.
I'd argue that Ben has taken a lot more flak for being fat than Sandi for being a woman.
Well lazy trolls always go for the low hanging fruit of course. Just like that black actress from that horrible Ghostbusters movie. Yeah she's black so people spammed monkey meme's and shit. People love to get a reaction by trying to be offensive, and it usually works, which is why they do it. If it's a woman, they will call her a bitch or whatever. They just go for what is obvious, but that doesn't mean if they were a different race or gender that they would not get trolled. They would just get trolled differently. It doesn't make much sense to spam harambe meme's at a fat white guy does it? I'm just tired of the social justice warrior narrative that people only get made fun of because they belong to some group or another. Get over it, no one is above criticism or trolling, especially on the internet. If you don't like it, then stay the hell off social media.
That actress is another example of the "hands off, she's a minority" BS, however. People made negative comments about her looks because - shocker - she's pretty unattractive as specimens of the fairer sex go. But NOOOOOOO! It was RACISM! It MUST be racism! It doesn't matter that she's put together like a linebacker or has the face of a Mack truck - no, a single utterance of rudeness and we're off on the SJW crusades.
Pretty women are pretty regardless of their skin color. But not every woman is pretty, just like not every man is handsome. Leslie Jones would be ugly if she were white, Asian, Hispanic, carved out of wood, mummified, or knitted out of two ply. The world has enough problems for us to be jumping at shadows.
Did you go through any of the links posted on the front page? If this was just about her being called a slut I would agree, but this goes well beyond that.
Did you go through any of the links posted on the front page? If this was just about her being called a slut I would agree, but this goes well beyond that.
Yup this goes beyond typical insults like many times we see around. Really goes beyond that, when someone goes as far as investigate the person to find anything to make a scene of public humiliation.
Yet all of this because SC, most specifically DS's beef with Chris Roberts, if we see he can't directly hit and get reactions out of CR, so he does it via proxy via his wife on a personal level, that has to take a hit on him.
Did you go through any of the links posted on the front page? If this was just about her being called a slut I would agree, but this goes well beyond that.
If someone is threatening her, they should be hunted down, prosecuted and jailed. Otherwise, she's a grownup, and cramming her tail between her legs and publicly annoucing that she is running away will do nothing but encourage her detractors.
Did you go through any of the links posted on the front page? If this was just about her being called a slut I would agree, but this goes well beyond that.
No, I didn't research everything said about this woman on the internet but my point is that it didn't happen because she happens to be female, that is stupid. Sure the things said might be done in a certain way because people assume that a woman would take more offense to it, but that is just people going for the easy attack. I don't think anyone has done anything to cause her any physical harm here. I don't agree with people doing things like doxing people or whatever, but I don't think their gender or anything else is a factor. I'm just sick of this fake outrage over this sort of thing and people playing the sexism or racism card to try to divert criticism.
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My point is that if you're going to be a public person you're DEFINITELY going to have people hating on you no matter how "good" you are. It's just our nature as human beings. If you can't handle it then avoid the limelight.
They do target everyone they can, including numerous other CIG developers... there were 2 pages talking about a random dev's hair the other day for crying out loud.
Chris,Sandi,Ben are obviously going to be their primary targets and Disco sometimes, though people (goons) seem to like him more than others. Their primary target is CIG as a whole and their selling of everything practices. Also, 99% of the content goons post is on the SA forums which is behind a paywall.
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Nope. Not even in the USA. ESPECIALLY not in the USA.
Certainly not in Europe where I live.
... usual handle/sig not appropriate in that context ....
Not sure on the details though.
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I get it - you like to pretend you don't back down from your ridiculous claims by changing what you said into something you definitely didn't say?
Cool
That's going to stop when I no longer think it's relevant.
So, now you acknowledge that it's about hatred and not "funny stuff"? That's something, I guess.
We also seem to agree that their target is not the people in question - which makes it even worse, as far as I'm concerned.
I agree that if you don't want to be hated in public - then it's safer to stay private.
However, I wouldn't say to a cop that he should stop being a cop because he doesn't want to get shot. I'm actually glad some people are taking that risk and doing their best to protect me.
I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because there's a way to avoid it.
That would make me unreasonable.
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Saying something - anything - nasty to a private citizen doesn't qualify as defaming them. They would have to prove that you took your malicious utterings, turned them into a campaign that damaged their reputation, and THEN - in order to seek compensation - they'd have to prove that it did the victim financial harm. Those are the standards for winning on slander.
But, hey, you just carry on thinking that freedom of speech doesn't cover being a nasty person. It's very easy to twist the law into whatever you want when you have absolutely no knowledge of it.
I'm not saying it's easy to win such a case, though. I'm saying the case itself is a possible result.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I never said it was about hatred. They often have too much time laughing,joking or ridiculing stuff (or themselves) to actually hate anything. At least that's been my experience from interacting with them.
How do you avoid then"horrible behaviour" in this case then?
Punish the person who wrote "tickle tickle"?
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You're asking me to please stop talking about you - in a public debate where YOU are suggesting Sandi Gardner should just stay out of the public eye if she can't handle what people are saying about her.
I find that deliciously ironic and incredibly telling of you as a person.
I said I'm not going to excuse horrible behavior because she could have avoided it by not being public. It's not rocket science.
Again, if you think it's a joke to call people racist or former porn stars - or to drag their children into the public eye - then let's just say we have a different sense of humor.
Obviously, you have no empathy or understanding of what such a thing must be like - and I'm saying I have a much better understanding of what you're like and where you're coming from.
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The hate and trolling are about getting at CIG and it's employees and nothing to do with their genders.
EDIT: I'd like to note that I find the harassment out of line and in rather poor taste, but it's just as out of line to make this about something it is not about.
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Yet all of this because SC, most specifically DS's beef with Chris Roberts, if we see he can't directly hit and get reactions out of CR, so he does it via proxy via his wife on a personal level, that has to take a hit on him.
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