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Why are MOBA associated with MMO and not RTS?
Vermillion_Raventhal
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Essentially the first MOBA were literally scaled back RTS mods. I have been trying to figure out the connect to being a MMO. I guess it's just the demographics.
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Don't laugh, a lot of people call Diablo 3 a MMO. Soon people will call any game with an online multiplayer function a MMO, it will happen.
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I get it that it is a bit of an annoyance, but, such a minor one. We have a lot bigger fish to fry. mmmmm fish
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It bothers me when people say mmo when they specifically mean mmoRPG and they also get upset when other non-mmoRPGs are also called mmo. I believe when people mean some specific type of game, writing mmo is rather than the specific is wrong. So people when you mean mmoRPG write mmoRPG not mmo.
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"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
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Where do you draw the arbitrary line between MMOs and non-MMOs? And who is qualified to draw that line?
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Still wasn't an MMO though. Same case when it comes to titles like WoT as the persistent map used to represent the player's progress is mostly a metagame element supporting the lobby matches, not the actual basis of the game. Clan Wars are also not universal, but they are themselves instanced content that only acts as a persistent element so long as the conflict between two groups is not resolved. If one side wins, then that map and data associated with the province ceases to exist and is replaced by only the data necessary for the Global Map. The Global Map itself is just a browser based plugin that visually organizes these conflicts and it just serves as the interface for entering these lobby matches.
So you are talking about instanced content that only a subset of players can interact with, connecting lobby matches that said only group(s) can interact with.
That's just a visual lobby.
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But it ain't either. I still rather have them bunched up with RTS games then MMOs, we already have CORPGs attached to MMOs (DDO, Guildwars, STO) and dding more games further off will just confuse people, and it have already done so. If Mobas are MMOs why not any multiplayer game with some kind of progression? Rainbow 6: Siege and similar games are after all just as much MMOs as Mobas (almost no real MMOs features but limited progression and multiplayer).
The whole problem is that it gets hard to find real MMOs if all games are labeled as such and we get confused when someone saying they play MMOs.
Many MMOs do have arena PvP but not all games with arenas are MMOs just like mackerel is a fish, all fish live in water but assuming that all things that live in water is fish, or mackerel to make things even worse is just messing up facts.
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That argument is moot.
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I've always thought those were the people who only play WOW camped at the AH while they queue for dungeons and/or scenario PVP matches.
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This leads to a lot of confusion which is purposeful to my mind. 'Like MOBA's this is for you, like MMO's this is for you.' Drawing in the audience to a game that is not what they really want.
Meanwhile Wrestling gets its own spot at Metacritic, because there is no way we would be able to work out a game is a wrestling game without the label.
It wasn't because the games have "strategy" in them (which game doesn't?
But RTS games are nevertheless strategy games that tend tend to be lengthy games compared to the MOBAs they spawned. MOBAs stripped most of the strategic building and planning elements to focus on the combat part of RTS and the matches are designed to be of much shorter duration than a strategy game.
They may have been spawned by RTS games but they're their own unique thing now.
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