To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I think sometimes pixel art can add character to a game. If it was 3D this game would have to held be to secondary standard for what people consider good 3d art. I can tolerate it as long as the gameplay mechanics are good for the price.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I think sometimes pixel art can add character to a game. If it was 3D this game would have to held be to secondary standard for what people consider good 3d art. I can tolerate it as long as the gameplay mechanics are good for the price.
which is what happened to 7 days to die. prior to the graphic update it was evaluated with other voxel based games which it should. now despite it being by far the best looking voxel game ever made in the history of voxel based gaming the graphics are being critically compared to non-voxel based AAA titles instead of what its core really is.
never the lesss, this game couldnt work for me.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Most 3d games look ugly. But, I like even how Ultima Online and many other older 2d games look. I still love the artstyle of warlords battlecry 1, 2 and 3. Those ones are ancient, but they still look great.
Still love how warcraft 2 looks and starcraft 1 look
Do NOT like how warcraft 3 looks at all (when it was new it was fine)
But then for 3d. I think WoW looks amazing, but everquest 2 looks rather crappy. FFXIV looks really nice, same with SWTOR/LOTRO (though LOTRO hasn't aged as nice as WoW).
Vanguard saga of heroes looks ugly too looking back at screenshots. Very plain world.
2d ages far better in my eyes than 3d, and I kinda like how must 2d games look to begin with. Don't like pixel art graphic style at all though.
3d anime/cartoony style like WoW/FFXIV ages far better too, while FFXIV IS newer...it will age far better than games that aim for a realistic approach. In the future, I'll look at ESO and think it aged terribly, but WoW will still look great.
And ultima online/other older 2d games, decades later still looks great and will look great far longer than WoW will, which will look better for far longer than realistic 3d MMOs.
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Not thrilled with perma death. Put all that time and energy into a character only to lose it? I think after one or two high level perma deaths, people will bail. I don't see a big marketplace for this game.
Watched some videos on people playing it on youtube. It looks okay. Seems like there isn't really that much to do, but it is alpha. I never really watched this game at all, and never really read anything about it. But the way the world does the story/history is pretty cool. Rather similar to dwarf fortress world style.
Honestly, doesn't seem THAT great to me. I dunno. I like diablo 2 and 3/torchlight 2...but there is a lot of stuff to do in both of those. It always leads to killing non-stop, but at least there are tons of quests and things to accomplish. Maybe I'm missing the point of hero's song.
At least hero's song has crafting, thats pretty unique for a diablo style game. Or is it even meant to be compared to a hack and slash? In any case, still seems pretty lacking in content from what little I've read and some of the videos I've watched.
Then again, I might not even be the player its aiming for, since I prefer reasons (even if artificial) to go do stuff like how diablo and torchlight do lol. Never liked doing something in a game for no reason at all. Or maybe I'm missing the entire point of the game like I said lol.
Its alpha of course, so maybe it'll put more stuff to explore or something.
I'll also add..
I mean, I don't need like quests or whatever. I like sandbox games, like Ultima Online/EVE. There is tons of reasons to do stuff in those. But there seems there is no reason to do much in the game, at least in alpha. There doesn't seem there is much to explore or find, and less to do than diablo/torchlight. I even love(d) haven and hearth (for those who know that one), and that was pretty directionless. But tons to do in that game.
If I'm missing the goal of the game, maybe someone can chime in and tell me what the game is about and correct me on my ways. The only thing I can see "unique" is it advertises tons of people on a server, but I actually don't have any interest in that in a hack and slash, top view game that is multiplayer. That seems to be its big feature, which I don't really have an interest in lol.
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To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
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Game interested me til I watched a few streams. Now it feels like a worse Diablo.
Yeah, I mean like I said in my above post. I don't want to be too negative since its an alpha game and all. But I seem to be missing the point of the game, besides the dwarf fortress style world generation and the multiplayer. Which I have no interest in multiplayer in a game that is similar to diablo/torchlight, so that entire feature isn't for me. Is the game even supposed to be compared to those?
Is there a reason to go out and explore or find stuff? In haven and hearth I can build a town/city up and that is very fun for multiplayer. In Torchlight 2 there is a ton to explore and there is always quests to do. In diablo 2+3, there is the obvious finding better items, also the quests and a lot to explore as well. In diablo 3 there is a TON of lore to find, surprisingly.
I was kinda excited for this until I watched some videos on youtube. The game sounds great, the problem is (at least as it currently is in alpha), it looks like it will get boring...fast. There is...like no point to do anything. I don't need quests, but I want there to be something more than just non-stop 100% killing without any reason.
Or at least let me build a house like in ultima online or decorate a house like in skyrim/ultima online. I don't want to play a game where the only thing to do is kill/grind, without quests or doing anything else at all. That gets me bored faster than anything when it comes to games. Gets very mundane.
Heck, even finding lore in-game would be nice, like finding a book to read about the lore of the world...even that is good enough (personally) for me to go out and explore and have something to work toward
Am I (and maybe Thebeasttt) missing the point of the game completely? Or is it just because its still in alpha?
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To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
yeah I dont only not agree with that assessment I also find it hard to believe frankly but it is your assertion I suppose
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
yeah I dont only not agree with that assessment I also find it hard to believe frankly but it is your assertion I suppose
It's called being egocentric. Hi, this game works on my nostalgia with its quirky pixel-esque style. Here's my card.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
yeah I dont only not agree with that assessment I also find it hard to believe frankly but it is your assertion I suppose
It's called being egocentric. Hi, this game works on my nostalgia with its quirky pixel-esque style. Here's my card.
yeah that is the only possiblity I could muster other than one just flat out liying. I can see how one could mistake nostalgia and a fad for actual preference.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
yeah I dont only not agree with that assessment I also find it hard to believe frankly but it is your assertion I suppose
It's called being egocentric. Hi, this game works on my nostalgia with its quirky pixel-esque style. Here's my card.
yeah that is the only possiblity I could muster other than one just flat out liying. I can see how one could mistake nostalgia and a fad for actual preference.
Nostalgia is a fad? LOL, hey you cartwheeled right over logic there! But good framing, you wanna keep that ego intact.
First of all, the "retro style" is a fad because people like nostalgia. People liking nostalgia is something that shouldn't really perplex you even if you were living under the butt fur of a yak in tibet.
Some of us think it's really unfortunate that this "it's gotta be 3d" attitude pervades the mmo community because many otherwise good games get overlooked for shiny, shallow card carrying BS.
That is all, that's some of our opinion. I swear nobody is lying to you. You can go now.
yeah that is the only possiblity I could muster other than one just flat out liying. I can see how one could mistake nostalgia and a fad for actual preference.
Nostalgia is a fad? LOL, hey you cartwheeled right over logic there! But good framing, you wanna keep that ego intact.
First of all, the "retro style" is a fad because people like nostalgia. People liking nostalgia is something that shouldn't really perplex you even if you were living under the butt fur of a yak in tibet.
Some of us think it's really unfortunate that this "it's gotta be 3d" attitude pervades the mmo community because many otherwise good games get overlooked for shiny, shallow card carrying BS.
That is all, that's some of our opinion. I swear nobody is lying to you. You can go now.
I meant to say Nostaliga OR a fad but Nostaliga can be a fad as well.
what makes me laugh though is strong since of Nostaliga for a peroid in gaming the gamer wasnt even alive during and then saying its better.
Its like saying 'riding a horse cart is better than riding in a car'
oh really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Actually, people pay good money to ride in those fancy old horse carriages. Why? Because of the nostalgia and of course, a sense of romance. There's a reason people cling to things from the past. More than likely because it played a huge role in our lives or was merely just that impressive. There's a lot of nostalgia alive today in our world from renaissance festivals to historical reenactments of wars / battles.
The fact this game has retro graphics means nothing to me but rather everything else it has to offer. Most of which is randomly generated content which has proven to be the best replay value mechanic for any game. It's also nice to see you can play solo or with friends. Now whether you can transfer characters from one server to another, this could prove to be like modules from old school Dungeons and Dragons and everyone's world is like a different module to play in.
let me try it again:
Its like saying 'riding a horse cart is better than riding in a car'
better doesnt mean 'fun novelty experience a few times' better is that better, as in overall better.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I think sometimes pixel art can add character to a game. If it was 3D this game would have to held be to secondary standard for what people consider good 3d art. I can tolerate it as long as the gameplay mechanics are good for the price.
which is what happened to 7 days to die. prior to the graphic update it was evaluated with other voxel based games which it should. now despite it being by far the best looking voxel game ever made in the history of voxel based gaming the graphics are being critically compared to non-voxel based AAA titles instead of what its core really is.
never the lesss, this game couldnt work for me.
What if you could play it using VR, would you like it then?
I would LOVE 7 days to die in VR. However, I dont think I could handle it fear wise. I am getting up and age and I have to watch that sometimes.
I would totally love something like Space Engineers as a VR experience.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To each his own. We will see if this game can stand on it's own once it hits Steam. You think people around here are hard to please, Steam is the real test and the one I'm waiting for.
yeah I mean a classic example is RimWorld. Popular, deep, right up my ally game play wise but the graphics just kill it for me. But like I say I play Wurm Online and people make fun of the graphics all the time but there is a limit to my tolerance.
I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder, I really like how RimWorld looks and find Wurm Online ugly as sin, or EQ2 for that matter.
I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
yeah I dont only not agree with that assessment I also find it hard to believe frankly but it is your assertion I suppose
Why is it hard to believe somebody prefers different aesthetics then you do? Is your world view that narrow, really?
You do not have to agree with me at all, different strokes and different folks and all, but that you can not grasp the basic idea that different people might like different things just baffles me...
what makes me laugh though is strong since of Nostaliga for a peroid in gaming the gamer wasnt even alive during and then saying its better.
Its like saying 'riding a horse cart is better than riding in a car'
oh really?
I've been gaming since the 1980s, and it really wasn't better. But just as a small example, I much prefer the look of the 2d Neo Geo and Saturn games to the 3d games of the first Playstation. It is not nostalgia looking back on it, it is liking a different artistic design, but apparently you find it hard to believe that such a thing is possible. Not a problem to me at all, we all have different opinions.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I would totally love something like Space Engineers as a VR experience.
well i have played Space Engineers with the old Oculus Rift dev kit (dk2). can't remember if i used tridef or Vorpx to get it to work, but it worked. it was actually very cool cause all the ships become huge, like literally massive, and the building blocks were like huge crates. however.....the floating around....that was hard to take over long periods. being able to go completely upside down and rotate any direction it's not for the easily upset-table stomach. best part for sure was loading up some EvE replicas from the workshop and going inside of them with VR.....damn that was a trip
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never the lesss, this game couldnt work for me.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Most 3d games look ugly. But, I like even how Ultima Online and many other older 2d games look. I still love the artstyle of warlords battlecry 1, 2 and 3. Those ones are ancient, but they still look great.
Still love how warcraft 2 looks and starcraft 1 look
Do NOT like how warcraft 3 looks at all (when it was new it was fine)
But then for 3d. I think WoW looks amazing, but everquest 2 looks rather crappy. FFXIV looks really nice, same with SWTOR/LOTRO (though LOTRO hasn't aged as nice as WoW).
Vanguard saga of heroes looks ugly too looking back at screenshots. Very plain world.
2d ages far better in my eyes than 3d, and I kinda like how must 2d games look to begin with. Don't like pixel art graphic style at all though.
3d anime/cartoony style like WoW/FFXIV ages far better too, while FFXIV IS newer...it will age far better than games that aim for a realistic approach. In the future, I'll look at ESO and think it aged terribly, but WoW will still look great.
And ultima online/other older 2d games, decades later still looks great and will look great far longer than WoW will, which will look better for far longer than realistic 3d MMOs.
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He doesn't know, he is just another mindless deplorable.
Honestly, doesn't seem THAT great to me. I dunno. I like diablo 2 and 3/torchlight 2...but there is a lot of stuff to do in both of those. It always leads to killing non-stop, but at least there are tons of quests and things to accomplish. Maybe I'm missing the point of hero's song.
At least hero's song has crafting, thats pretty unique for a diablo style game. Or is it even meant to be compared to a hack and slash? In any case, still seems pretty lacking in content from what little I've read and some of the videos I've watched.
Then again, I might not even be the player its aiming for, since I prefer reasons (even if artificial) to go do stuff like how diablo and torchlight do lol. Never liked doing something in a game for no reason at all. Or maybe I'm missing the entire point of the game like I said lol.
Its alpha of course, so maybe it'll put more stuff to explore or something.
I'll also add..
I mean, I don't need like quests or whatever. I like sandbox games, like Ultima Online/EVE. There is tons of reasons to do stuff in those. But there seems there is no reason to do much in the game, at least in alpha. There doesn't seem there is much to explore or find, and less to do than diablo/torchlight. I even love(d) haven and hearth (for those who know that one), and that was pretty directionless. But tons to do in that game.
If I'm missing the goal of the game, maybe someone can chime in and tell me what the game is about and correct me on my ways. The only thing I can see "unique" is it advertises tons of people on a server, but I actually don't have any interest in that in a hack and slash, top view game that is multiplayer. That seems to be its big feature, which I don't really have an interest in lol.
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I do agree with the general sentiment that 2d ages better then 3d and that unrealistic ages better then realistic.
I would have preferred something akin Torchlights graphics for Hero's Song in all honesty but what they have now most certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Is there a reason to go out and explore or find stuff? In haven and hearth I can build a town/city up and that is very fun for multiplayer. In Torchlight 2 there is a ton to explore and there is always quests to do. In diablo 2+3, there is the obvious finding better items, also the quests and a lot to explore as well. In diablo 3 there is a TON of lore to find, surprisingly.
I was kinda excited for this until I watched some videos on youtube. The game sounds great, the problem is (at least as it currently is in alpha), it looks like it will get boring...fast. There is...like no point to do anything. I don't need quests, but I want there to be something more than just non-stop 100% killing without any reason.
Or at least let me build a house like in ultima online or decorate a house like in skyrim/ultima online. I don't want to play a game where the only thing to do is kill/grind, without quests or doing anything else at all. That gets me bored faster than anything when it comes to games. Gets very mundane.
Heck, even finding lore in-game would be nice, like finding a book to read about the lore of the world...even that is good enough (personally) for me to go out and explore and have something to work toward
Am I (and maybe Thebeasttt) missing the point of the game completely? Or is it just because its still in alpha?
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Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
It's called being egocentric. Hi, this game works on my nostalgia with its quirky pixel-esque style. Here's my card.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Nostalgia is a fad? LOL, hey you cartwheeled right over logic there! But good framing, you wanna keep that ego intact. First of all, the "retro style" is a fad because people like nostalgia. People liking nostalgia is something that shouldn't really perplex you even if you were living under the butt fur of a yak in tibet. Some of us think it's really unfortunate that this "it's gotta be 3d" attitude pervades the mmo community because many otherwise good games get overlooked for shiny, shallow card carrying BS. That is all, that's some of our opinion. I swear nobody is lying to you. You can go now.
what makes me laugh though is strong since of Nostaliga for a peroid in gaming the gamer wasnt even alive during and then saying its better.
Its like saying 'riding a horse cart is better than riding in a car'
oh really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Its like saying 'riding a horse cart is better than riding in a car'
better doesnt mean 'fun novelty experience a few times' better is that better, as in overall better.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I would totally love something like Space Engineers as a VR experience.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You do not have to agree with me at all, different strokes and different folks and all, but that you can not grasp the basic idea that different people might like different things just baffles me...
I've been gaming since the 1980s, and it really wasn't better. But just as a small example, I much prefer the look of the 2d Neo Geo and Saturn games to the 3d games of the first Playstation. It is not nostalgia looking back on it, it is liking a different artistic design, but apparently you find it hard to believe that such a thing is possible. Not a problem to me at all, we all have different opinions.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Take Stardew Valley as an example. That entire game has great graphical cohesion.
well i have played Space Engineers with the old Oculus Rift dev kit (dk2). can't remember if i used tridef or Vorpx to get it to work, but it worked. it was actually very cool cause all the ships become huge, like literally massive, and the building blocks were like huge crates. however.....the floating around....that was hard to take over long periods. being able to go completely upside down and rotate any direction it's not for the easily upset-table stomach. best part for sure was loading up some EvE replicas from the workshop and going inside of them with VR.....damn that was a trip