It's an assumption that Blizzard didn't want to go forward with a legacy server(s) because they didn't make it happen during the same time as a big expansion, which was an unreasonable expectation by legacy server fans.
I didn't really meant that. I am saying that Blizzard executives don't want to make Legacy Servers because the players who potentially could play on those servers would not buy future expansions (plural), not just the next one, but none of them. They see it as a threat to all their future content, particularly if those servers turn up to be really popular.
You cannot monetize on something static like a Legacy Servers, you need to On-Sell other products on top of that (Expansions or Cash Shop items) to maximize your revenue. So unless they find a way to maximize profits from Legacy players at the same level of Live players, they won't make those Servers. It is a pure cold business decision which revolve around the term "margin", that's the magic word in business and what executives mostly talk about during board meetings.
I believe in forgiveness, so if they are truly apologetic about pirating and distributing the code, then this is a good first step. They're still going to have live with the consequences though.
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
Your fairly decent sized community is about .01% of actual PAYING Blizzard customers, Blizzard has no incentive or intention of opening a Legacy server for .01% of thieves , They need to produce content and new games for there 99.9 % of actual PAYING customers, They also already know that if they were to put up a Vanilla server for this miniscule amount of freeloading , bottom feeding minority , and put a price tag on it of 14.99 that 2/3rds of them would bail and imdiatley look for another free sever, On top of that Blizzard has Investors to protect and answer to , Also a responsibility to protect there IP and brands which they are expanding into Movies, Books etc...
The level of ignorance and stupid that this subject breeds everytime it comes up is astounding ..
If what you say is true then it begs the question of why the Samuel Langhorn Hell did Blizzard go to the trouble of inviting members of the Nost renegade server team to their fucking home office? That's what sticks in my craw. I mean I totally understand why they would try and take a renegade server offline, but not why they would then invite people they obviously feel are criminals into their own home. Something is just not adding up here.
Heh , its actually funny to me that you dont understand why they would do that , and i honestly think it would be a good exercise for you to figure it for yourself.... ill help with, they had several reasons
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
Blizzard should care about their CURRENT customers, not their past customers. Blizzard isn't greedy for not doing this. You could argue they are missing an opportunity, but if it was about greed they would do as you suggest and disregard their paying customers so they could work on this.
The thing is, the people that run and support these servers are the reason why their are DDoS attacks, which only screws over customers trying to enjoy their entertainment. I hope every person that plays these pirate servers gets financial punishment and the Elysium folks get lengthy prison sentences.
And I hope blizzard does release legacy servers. And none of the people that have supported Nost or Elysium get to play them.
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
Blizzard should care about their CURRENT customers, not their past customers. Blizzard isn't greedy for not doing this. You could argue they are missing an opportunity, but if it was about greed they would do as you suggest and disregard their paying customers so they could work on this.
The thing is, the people that run and support these servers are the reason why their are DDoS attacks, which only screws over customers trying to enjoy their entertainment. I hope every person that plays these pirate servers gets financial punishment and the Elysium folks get lengthy prison sentences.
And I hope blizzard does release legacy servers. And none of the people that have supported Nost or Elysium get to play them.
No business should focus only on current costumers. They always dream on branching out and widening their horizons with a much broader consumer base. That's what Blizzard does and explains why WoW has evolved/changed the way it did.
If, god forbid, they stuck to the current consumer base back in vanilla they would not have changed much. There are not many vanilla players playing retail mind you. There are tons I am sure but they're not as big as the vanilla community was during vanilla. (It was much smaller than what retail is now ofc)
What I'm saying is that even Blizzard now wants to bring in new consumers. Brand new in fact. Which is why they've dedicated a lot of money, time and effort to endorse children advertisments for their products, mainly World of Warcraft. No business lives on current consumers forever!
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not!
But what do you really mean? Blizzard is a business, not a government - no matter how lifelike (now I'm being sarcastic) their semi virtual world of game seems like.
Now people read your statement and go "hell yeah" because what you say makes a lot of sense, but just in a very different context.
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I have talked directly with various people behind some of the Emu servers over various games and they are either straight up lying or are far more dumb past their ability to disassemble and debug.
They will actually try to tell you that they are not using any legal code that they are reverse engineering ..lmao.I guess they figure if you are playing instead of doing yourself,they figure your too dumb to understand any of it.
Laws will change as they always do,sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse.The funny thing is,i bet a ton of these developers are using stolen code to build their own game engines,i bet it is everywhere throughout the industry.They change a few things and all of a sudden they believe in their minds it is no longer a copy ,it is their own work lol.
Funny of it all,how smart could they be to ever think they would beat Blizzard/Activision or Vivendi at the time in any kind of legality issues.They had to know that one day the time would come and they would have to cease and desist.They ONLY have a chance to survive because Blizzard allows it,as soon as they issue a court order,they will be gone,the days of hiding overseas is pretty much gone now,just ask the guy who landed in jail from Pirate Bay.Well i guess you might still hide out in Switzerland or Russia but not many places left to hide if the lawyers come a knocking.
Actually it is true. Warmane has its own core and does the reverse engineering. They have a bigger population than Elysium and cannot be approached by Blizzard, WoW circle falls under this category aswell.
However like you said, the only thing you have to essentially do is to open your servers in Russia.
Well, I'll stop replying to the same argument towards my analogies from 20 different people until one of them actually responds to a comparison of WoW Legacy and Blizzard versus P99 and SOE / DBG. Whether my analogies are over the top or not is once again, besides the point. If a company like SOE / DBG understands how to make customers happy, then what does that make Blizzard look like who obviously has way more financial capital? Also, I'm sure SOE / DBG also have investors interests to look out for but again, that didn't stop them from approving P99 with a green light to move forward with a similar product as a WoW legacy server.
Your feelings don't make any difference here other than to rationalize illegal behavior. Even if one agrees with your point between P99 and Nost... so? You think Blizzard is being greedy and not providing something to a particular playerbase... so? That doesn't change the laws and the rights of Blizzard regarding their IP.
I'd rather not get into the creation of Laws, specifically in the US as this is not a political platform. I will tell you, copyright laws are both a boon and a curse.
This. Take a wild guess which side of the market lobbies legislators the most, the producers or us consumers?
If one thinks that U.S. Laws are all based upon rationale and logic aimed at doing the most good for the most people, I would have to call him or her naive.
Instead of being a bunch of petulant children about the whole thing, they could have shown some grace and not released the code in the first place. Burning bridges with Blizzard was pretty ignorant especially since Blizzard extended the olive branch by inviting them to the campus to talk about Vanilla servers. With their antics, they've done a disservice to the Vanilla community who would like to see an official legacy server. I hope they, and all the administration involved, are held legally accountable.
Ah, so the entitled, petulant man-children who ran Nost are finding out that stealing somebody's work, then releasing the tools so others can also profit from thievery, can't be done without consequences.
I hope both they and the Elysium folks get so tied up in litigation that their great-grandchildren are going to need lawyers. They're immature little thieves who are in desperate need of a few life lessons.
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I have to admit, I too enjoy a good gossip every now and then. As long as all parties involved still will be aware or made aware that there is no deep harm meant.
Now I dont know much about these Nost guys, but I play WoW so I am almost under demand to have an opinion.
And while I personally have no interest in a legacy server, because its content that to me is over and done with, I can understand that some people long back in time and others long to escape from all the "So I played since vanilla, so I am the higher authority here kind of crowd". Then the players new as old would finally get on same lvl, since everyone would be able to have an authority to have an opinion.
I guess a lot of players envy vanilla players and grow increasingly tired of having to listen to how things were. Pretty much same pattern in all things in RL, where generations meet and one generation have had a past, that the new generation have no chance to rightfully judge or comfortably feel included in.
So here we are. The above mentioned could be a whole debate worthy of its own.
But if I am to make it really really short, to contribute in some way, which can only really scratch the surface of the issue.
Id have to say, we have a crowd of youthful guys who messed up, golden motives, engagement, young courage and they messed up. Shit happens.
Who of us, who have lived long enough to regret a few or a lot of things in life at this point, to a degree where things cant just be fixed again with an apology, does not somehow, some way, wish that Blizz and these engaged guys will somehow just come to terms with one another.
Or atleast wish for the young guys that they dont end up messing up their lives with such gravity, that they will have to pay the cost for the rest of their life.
This is at the end of the day "just a game" (I know it is not really to a lot of people) but if we look above and beyond our own daily role with these games, maybe its ok to just let it go and hope that these guys, despite their mess ups, will be alright in the end.
why dont blizzard stop being little bitches and forget about nostralius and other pirate servers and just make soem damn legacy servers they will soon leave them servers and come to the official one. problem fucking solved blizzard makes a ton of money
Because it's not about legacy servers, the real issue is Play4Free. If Blizzard opens Legacy servers and charges the same $15 per month. This first cry will be this is a 10+ y.o. game. They we will hear cries of it should be F2P. With little or no cash shop, no p2w, and only cosmetic items. Basically the junk no one buys.
Only 10% of the Nostalrius community had returned to Elysium, many have found this puzzling. So I went to the local University and Comic Book store and asked around.
University:
2 still played Wow, not interested in Nostalrius.
55 Stopped playing WoW, due to cost. 10 Heard Elysium was going to be p2p with profits going to Blizzard.
8 Had never played WoW or any p2p MMO. They had not heard of Nostalrius or Elysium.
65 university students in total
Comic Book store
8 Stopped playing WoW. Reasons varied, from expansions suxed, Blizzard suxed, or MMOs suxed. 2 Had heard of Elysium, but weren't interested. The rest hadn't heard of Nostalrius or Elysium.
8 Comic Book store in total.
What did I take away from this? All college education people realize the reason they stopped playing WoW was a tight budget. Of those that knew of Nostalrius or Elysium, a fake news story (rumor) of p2p had kept them away.
Comic Book store shoppers only knew that WoW suxs, they couldn't admit or didn't realize they couldn't afford to play anymore. People who shop in brick stores don't read the internet enough to know about Nostalrius or Elysium.
I also suspect that that the other 90% of Nostalrius community were taking a wait and see approach, before jumping on board.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Martin Shkrell tried to take advantage of a drug that treated a serious illness and overpriced it lumping Blizzard with him is a bit too much and trying to compare the two I have to wonder at you. That fellow is not even human in my book.
I know, my references are definitely not in favor of Blizzard, but I was simply trying to get my point across. SOE / DB weren't assholes about P99, yet Blizzard who definitely isn't hurting for money in any way, shape or form basically says screw you? Yeah, I have no problem calling Blizzard a carbon copy of Martin.
What is wrong with you? What a moronic, insensitive and idiotically dumb and rude comparison, shame on you!
As for SOE/DB not caring for p99, that shows how unimportant the original game is to them and/or how weak of a company they are.
Blizzard can absolutely destroy these thieves for all I care, the idiots. This serves them right.
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It is just huge resource waste....'
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While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
The point is not "Vanilla WoW" it's "Free WoW" and Blizzard is not offering that.
I just took a moment and considered this scenario. There have been Six expansions, where time and money was expended to improve the game. The people who approved those expenditures will not adjust well to the idea, that they could have stuck with "Vanilla WoW" all this time. All they had to do was bug fix and maintain "Vanilla WoW", and they could have sat on their hands and make money?
Here is what I think would have happened in the case that a official "Vanilla WoW" existed alongside each expansion. 50% would pay & play the expansions. Of the 50% in "Vanilla WoW" only 1% would pay & play. The other 49% would demand Play4Free.
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
The point is not "Vanilla WoW" it's "Free WoW" and Blizzard is not offering that.
I just took a moment and considered this scenario. There have been Six expansions, where time and money was expended to improve the game. The people who approved those expenditures will not adjust well to the idea, that they could have stuck with "Vanilla WoW" all this time. All they had to do was bug fix and maintain "Vanilla WoW", and they could have sat on their hands and make money?
Here is what I think would have happened in the case that a official "Vanilla WoW" existed alongside each expansion. 50% would pay & play the expansions. Of the 50% in "Vanilla WoW" only 1% would pay & play. The other 49% would demand Play4Free.
Ding ding, we have a winner over here.
Its literally mostly about people wanting legal free shit sugarcoating as "oh but its because....legacy wow was so much better!"
Anyway if Im getting this right: we have a pirate server group crying that another pirate server community stole a code for which likely NEITHER side had any intellectual legal right to use it or to modify it either way? (unless they got the authorisation from Blizzard to use their code, which we all know its not the case here)
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
The point is not "Vanilla WoW" it's "Free WoW" and Blizzard is not offering that.
I just took a moment and considered this scenario. There have been Six expansions, where time and money was expended to improve the game. The people who approved those expenditures will not adjust well to the idea, that they could have stuck with "Vanilla WoW" all this time. All they had to do was bug fix and maintain "Vanilla WoW", and they could have sat on their hands and make money?
Here is what I think would have happened in the case that a official "Vanilla WoW" existed alongside each expansion. 50% would pay & play the expansions. Of the 50% in "Vanilla WoW" only 1% would pay & play. The other 49% would demand Play4Free.
Ding ding, we have a winner over here.
Its literally mostly about people wanting legal free shit sugarcoating as "oh but its because....legacy wow was so much better!"
Anyway if Im getting this right: we have a pirate server group crying that another pirate server community stole a code for which likely NEITHER side had any intellectual legal right to use it or to modify it either way? (unless they got the authorisation from Blizzard to use their code, which we all know its not the case here)
No honor among thieves, as they say.
At least educate yourself on the subject before inflicting your opinion on people. A large percentage of the Elysium team are former Nostalrius staff who moved over there when Blizzard forced Nostalrius to close. The code was given to Elysium because Elysium shared the core values that Nostalrius championed. There was a petition last year to get Blizzard to open legacy servers and it received over 300,000 signatures so there's obviously a very large player base that wants official legacy, so its not about ''free shit'' as you put it. Also, just a few weeks ago someone hacked a bunch of gold sellers and released the customer data on people buying gold from those sites for use on these private servers and it totaled millions of dollars in sales over the last year, so its not about ''free shit'' as there's a serious pool of players out there spending money on these legacy servers.
Its literally mostly about people wanting legal free shit sugarcoating as "oh but its because....legacy wow was so much better!"
Nah that doesn't make sense mate, 10 years ago maybe, but today we are in the F2P Era. There are hundreds of modern free to play MMOs available, why anyone would choose to play a 10 y/o game over one of the many more recent ones?
I played Nostalrius, and I am someone who has at least 2 monthly subscriptions going all the time, I am not a Freeloader. The only reason why I don't play Vanilla private Servers anymore is because I like to invest in my character and I don't like to lose my investment. As most of those private servers have a short lifespan, I don't think it is worth investing any time in it.
But if there was an official Vanilla Server I would gladly pay a Sub for it, I would even buy all the expansions, even if I am not gonna play them.
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one. Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one. Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
I'd like a Model T but doubt I can convince Ford Motor Company it's in their best interests to start a new production of them. They are moving forward and making the product they are more interested in making. They don't want to go back no matter how much a "blast from the past" might twitterpate Model T fans.
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one. Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
I'd like a Model T but doubt I can convince Ford Motor Company it's in their best interests to start a new production of them. They are moving forward and making the product they are more interested in making. They don't want to go back no matter how much a "blast from the past" might twitterpate Model T fans.
Maybe I should make a petition.....
And yet Blizzard keep re-releasing old content. Next on the agenda.. old raids.
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one. Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
I'd like a Model T but doubt I can convince Ford Motor Company it's in their best interests to start a new production of them. They are moving forward and making the product they are more interested in making. They don't want to go back no matter how much a "blast from the past" might twitterpate Model T fans.
Maybe I should make a petition.....
And yet Blizzard keep re-releasing old content. Next on the agenda.. old raids.
Their product. Their right to make it into whatever they want just like Ford redesigns the Mustang from time to time but not to the precise specifications as the 1964 version.
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one. Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
I'd like a Model T but doubt I can convince Ford Motor Company it's in their best interests to start a new production of them. They are moving forward and making the product they are more interested in making. They don't want to go back no matter how much a "blast from the past" might twitterpate Model T fans.
Maybe I should make a petition.....
Agree, Ford has the right to look forward. However you can still find some Model T around and restore it. Ford is not going to get you an injunction forbidding you to restore the car and resell it. Which is what Blizzard is doing basically.
I agree Blizzard is entitled to do what they like with their IP. However if they do not intend to make their own Vanilla Servers, they should allow fans to run their own as long as is not for Commercial reasons (Like EQ and P99).
It is also not something unheard of for Developers to open their own Legacy Servers, Daybreak did it with EQ and EQ2 for example. I just don't see what damage could do to Blizzard acquiring the Nostalrious code (which is free) and booting up a couple of their own servers, and charge a subscription for it.
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I am saying that Blizzard executives don't want to make Legacy Servers because the players who potentially could play on those servers would not buy future expansions (plural), not just the next one, but none of them.
They see it as a threat to all their future content, particularly if those servers turn up to be really popular.
You cannot monetize on something static like a Legacy Servers, you need to On-Sell other products on top of that (Expansions or Cash Shop items) to maximize your revenue.
So unless they find a way to maximize profits from Legacy players at the same level of Live players, they won't make those Servers.
It is a pure cold business decision which revolve around the term "margin", that's the magic word in business and what executives mostly talk about during board meetings.
Blizzard should care about their CURRENT customers, not their past customers. Blizzard isn't greedy for not doing this. You could argue they are missing an opportunity, but if it was about greed they would do as you suggest and disregard their paying customers so they could work on this.
The thing is, the people that run and support these servers are the reason why their are DDoS attacks, which only screws over customers trying to enjoy their entertainment. I hope every person that plays these pirate servers gets financial punishment and the Elysium folks get lengthy prison sentences.
And I hope blizzard does release legacy servers. And none of the people that have supported Nost or Elysium get to play them.
No business should focus only on current costumers. They always dream on branching out and widening their horizons with a much broader consumer base. That's what Blizzard does and explains why WoW has evolved/changed the way it did.
If, god forbid, they stuck to the current consumer base back in vanilla they would not have changed much. There are not many vanilla players playing retail mind you. There are tons I am sure but they're not as big as the vanilla community was during vanilla. (It was much smaller than what retail is now ofc)
What I'm saying is that even Blizzard now wants to bring in new consumers. Brand new in fact. Which is why they've dedicated a lot of money, time and effort to endorse children advertisments for their products, mainly World of Warcraft. No business lives on current consumers forever!
I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not!
But what do you really mean? Blizzard is a business, not a government - no matter how lifelike (now I'm being sarcastic) their semi virtual world of game seems like.
Now people read your statement and go "hell yeah" because what you say makes a lot of sense, but just in a very different context.
Actually it is true. Warmane has its own core and does the reverse engineering. They have a bigger population than Elysium and cannot be approached by Blizzard, WoW circle falls under this category aswell.
However like you said, the only thing you have to essentially do is to open your servers in Russia.
If one thinks that U.S. Laws are all based upon rationale and logic aimed at doing the most good for the most people, I would have to call him or her naive.
I can't stand these guys and the support they get. They are nothing but thieves.
I hope both they and the Elysium folks get so tied up in litigation that their great-grandchildren are going to need lawyers. They're immature little thieves who are in desperate need of a few life lessons.
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Now I dont know much about these Nost guys, but I play WoW so I am almost under demand to have an opinion.
And while I personally have no interest in a legacy server, because its content that to me is over and done with, I can understand that some people long back in time and others long to escape from all the "So I played since vanilla, so I am the higher authority here kind of crowd".
Then the players new as old would finally get on same lvl, since everyone would be able to have an authority to have an opinion.
I guess a lot of players envy vanilla players and grow increasingly tired of having to listen to how things were.
Pretty much same pattern in all things in RL, where generations meet and one generation have had a past, that the new generation have no chance to rightfully judge or comfortably feel included in.
So here we are.
The above mentioned could be a whole debate worthy of its own.
But if I am to make it really really short, to contribute in some way, which can only really scratch the surface of the issue.
Id have to say, we have a crowd of youthful guys who messed up, golden motives, engagement, young courage and they messed up.
Shit happens.
Who of us, who have lived long enough to regret a few or a lot of things in life at this point, to a degree where things cant just be fixed again with an apology, does not somehow, some way, wish that Blizz and these engaged guys will somehow just come to terms with one another.
Or atleast wish for the young guys that they dont end up messing up their lives with such gravity, that they will have to pay the cost for the rest of their life.
This is at the end of the day "just a game" (I know it is not really to a lot of people) but if we look above and beyond our own daily role with these games, maybe its ok to just let it go and hope that these guys, despite their mess ups, will be alright in the end.
Because it's not about legacy servers, the real issue is Play4Free. If Blizzard opens Legacy servers and charges the same $15 per month. This first cry will be this is a 10+ y.o. game. They we will hear cries of it should be F2P. With little or no cash shop, no p2w, and only cosmetic items. Basically the junk no one buys.
Only 10% of the Nostalrius community had returned to Elysium, many have found this puzzling. So I went to the local University and Comic Book store and asked around.
University:
2 still played Wow, not interested in Nostalrius.
55 Stopped playing WoW, due to cost. 10 Heard Elysium was going to be p2p with profits going to Blizzard.
8 Had never played WoW or any p2p MMO. They had not heard of Nostalrius or Elysium.
65 university students in total
Comic Book store
8 Stopped playing WoW. Reasons varied, from expansions suxed, Blizzard suxed, or MMOs suxed. 2 Had heard of Elysium, but weren't interested. The rest hadn't heard of Nostalrius or Elysium.
8 Comic Book store in total.
What did I take away from this? All college education people realize the reason they stopped playing WoW was a tight budget. Of those that knew of Nostalrius or Elysium, a fake news story (rumor) of p2p had kept them away.
Comic Book store shoppers only knew that WoW suxs, they couldn't admit or didn't realize they couldn't afford to play anymore. People who shop in brick stores don't read the internet enough to know about Nostalrius or Elysium.
I also suspect that that the other 90% of Nostalrius community were taking a wait and see approach, before jumping on board.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
As for SOE/DB not caring for p99, that shows how unimportant the original game is to them and/or how weak of a company they are.
Blizzard can absolutely destroy these thieves for all I care, the idiots. This serves them right.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
The point is not "Vanilla WoW" it's "Free WoW" and Blizzard is not offering that.
I just took a moment and considered this scenario. There have been Six expansions, where time and money was expended to improve the game. The people who approved those expenditures will not adjust well to the idea, that they could have stuck with "Vanilla WoW" all this time. All they had to do was bug fix and maintain "Vanilla WoW", and they could have sat on their hands and make money?
Here is what I think would have happened in the case that a official "Vanilla WoW" existed alongside each expansion. 50% would pay & play the expansions. Of the 50% in "Vanilla WoW" only 1% would pay & play. The other 49% would demand Play4Free.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
Ding ding, we have a winner over here.
Its literally mostly about people wanting legal free shit sugarcoating as "oh but its because....legacy wow was so much better!"
Anyway if Im getting this right: we have a pirate server group crying that another pirate server community stole a code for which likely NEITHER side had any intellectual legal right to use it or to modify it either way? (unless they got the authorisation from Blizzard to use their code, which we all know its not the case here)
No honor among thieves, as they say.
A large percentage of the Elysium team are former Nostalrius staff who moved over there when Blizzard forced Nostalrius to close. The code was given to Elysium because Elysium shared the core values that Nostalrius championed.
There was a petition last year to get Blizzard to open legacy servers and it received over 300,000 signatures so there's obviously a very large player base that wants official legacy, so its not about ''free shit'' as you put it.
Also, just a few weeks ago someone hacked a bunch of gold sellers and released the customer data on people buying gold from those sites for use on these private servers and it totaled millions of dollars in sales over the last year, so its not about ''free shit'' as there's a serious pool of players out there spending money on these legacy servers.
There are hundreds of modern free to play MMOs available, why anyone would choose to play a 10 y/o game over one of the many more recent ones?
I played Nostalrius, and I am someone who has at least 2 monthly subscriptions going all the time, I am not a Freeloader.
The only reason why I don't play Vanilla private Servers anymore is because I like to invest in my character and I don't like to lose my investment.
As most of those private servers have a short lifespan, I don't think it is worth investing any time in it.
But if there was an official Vanilla Server I would gladly pay a Sub for it, I would even buy all the expansions, even if I am not gonna play them.
Vanilla WoW, and modern WoW are two totally different games, it happens that some people like more the Vanilla version than the current one.
Why that would be such an outrageous thing to accept?
Maybe I should make a petition.....
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However you can still find some Model T around and restore it.
Ford is not going to get you an injunction forbidding you to restore the car and resell it.
Which is what Blizzard is doing basically.
I agree Blizzard is entitled to do what they like with their IP.
However if they do not intend to make their own Vanilla Servers, they should allow fans to run their own as long as is not for Commercial reasons (Like EQ and P99).
It is also not something unheard of for Developers to open their own Legacy Servers, Daybreak did it with EQ and EQ2 for example.
I just don't see what damage could do to Blizzard acquiring the Nostalrious code (which is free) and booting up a couple of their own servers, and charge a subscription for it.