I have had this same thought before as well. Im always thinking back to a few years ago when Legacy servers were brought up at Blizcon (i think it was Blizcon) and the audience was told '' you think you want them but you dont'' and then obviously Nostalrius showed everyone that there was a very large population of players who did in fact want it.
You know that's exactly the reason why I think that the issue is more personal than people think. That kind of reply was so rude and uncalled for, you could tell they were seriously irritated by that question. I get it though if I was in their shoes I would probably get annoyed too, after putting so much effort in the next Expansion people keep banging about a version of the game which is 10 years older. That's understandable, but I think they should give in, I am sure is not going to be a financial disaster for them, and if the Server proves themselves unsuccessful they can finally shut up the vocal minority and put the whole issue to rest. Best case scenario, the Servers are successful and they get an extra Million players.
I honestly think the bigger worry they have it that legacy will be as popular as Legion. I think it was Preach who said on one of his Youtube videos last month that player levels were back to what they were at the end of WoD. I cant remember what source he was using for his statement but the guy is pretty solid and i dont doubt what he says. Imagine how embarassing it would be if the majority of players chose to play on Vanila,TBC,WotLK servers rather then retail. It would be a loud and clear message that Blizzard has lost touch with its game over the last decade.
Ok, I'm done. I don't see the point in arguing in circles. I just know for a fact a lot of MMO's would love to have 250-300k possible subscribers. The fact Blizzard doesn't want them speaks loudly about their position of customer satisfaction. Yes, even though Blizzard is a business and WoW is a product, the key element to success is happy customers. So, if Blizzard doesn't want to do it, that's fine. I think it's silly for them to bitch about others trying to accomplish that which they refuse to do. Which goes back to the point that SOE / DBG approved P99 and while we can sit here and decipher all that, I will still come up with the simple answer that Blizzard as a company is greedy as hell.
This is an assumption that we may never know is true due to the hasty actions of the Nost team.
Blizzard probably does not have the code necessary to make this possible. In my experience as a Systems Administrator and QA analyst for military software, when a new working version is available, the older versions start disappearing, usually because the new code is built right on top of the old. I doubt they have a hard drive laying around with the unmolested vanilla code on it.
Blizzard would have to completely rewrite vanilla from scratch. This would take money, a dev team, testing team, and the support team afterwards to iron out bugs. The tradeoff in possible subscriptions is probably pretty low. When they can drop a new title like Overwatch and pull in a solid billion, why waste the time and effort?
This being said, if I wanted to play on one of the vanilla servers, then I would buy a subscription to standard Blizzard WoW and then go play the pirated vanilla copy. No money out of Blizzards pocket and I get to play something they don't offer anymore, and probably will never offer again.
I did the same thing with the original Star Wars trilogy. I have two legal copies of it, one on DVD and one on BluRay, however, the original theatrical release of the movies is no longer offered by Disney or Lucasfilm whatsoever in any format. You can only purchase the shitty "greedo shot first" special editions from a legal retailer. So I downloaded them from someone who copied them off of a Laserdisc, which was the last digital format they were offered on.
But that is the point... There is no HARD proof that there is actually a large PAYING customer base.. This mostly because of a few catch 22´s (mostly that the pirvate servers can´t charge a sub fee and that beyond P.99 no company have tried work with or on making a large scale legacy server work.)
But this is the actual point.
Why Blizzard don't acquire the Nostalrium code (which is free) set up a couple of Servers, and see how that goes. They have nothing to lose, worst that can happen they will have to shut the Legacy Servers after a couple of months, but that would also shut up all the Vanilla fan base for good.
Instead they are making the issue worse, blowing it out of proportion, and in all this mess they also risk to be seen like the bad guys.
They could have everything to lose. You don't know that. You know nothing about the risks and benefits from the perspective of Blizzard.
They aren't making anything worse. The entitlement crowd is making the deal out of it. Their customers, outside of a few attention seekers, don't view them as the bad guys. Their customers are paying for their games right now. The freeloaders aren't. I can't see their customers even giving a shit about the freeloaders and what they want.
You realize the original petition Mark Kern presented to Blizzard had over 275,000 signatures. That's more than just a few people interested in legacy servers. The fact you call them freeloaders when Blizzard doesn't offer them an official alternative is also unfair. If they want a product and Blizzard ignores them, of course they will go where the product is available. The fact it happens to be freeshards has nothing to do with who these people are. Blizzard is ignoring them, so I don't have a problem with what they are doing.
FYI making excuses for piracy is usually not a valid argument
And oh just so you wait till Blizzard visits them with some strong armed lawyers because these smartasses really feel the need to play with fire aka a multibillion dollar company that could fuck them in the butthole with a lawsuit so hard that their grandkids would be still paying for the legal damages.
good luck to Blizzard suing elysium devs who are all based in Russia. Blzizard could probably get the servers in france shut down eventually, but elysium can just move them to another country.
Well, if it is indeed not profitable enough for a multi-billion dollar industry to manage, yet some random dudes around the world can setup a server in less than a day, I fail to see the connection. Legacy servers require minimal maintenance and zero upgrades. That is the whole point of a Legacy server. People don't want any of that crap. So if you mean to tell me a stable Legacy server that is wanted by a minimum of 275k people would not be profitable, I have to question your education.
Probably most importantly: We don't KNOW if they want to or will enable vanilla servers. Blizzard's time is not our time and it may very well be that they will implement them. Just because it's not on the time schedule of "fans" of classic servers doesn't mean it won 't happen. It's also equally likely that they simply don't want to and that is their full right.
My point of view is they aren't in any rush to implement Vanilla servers and until they state they are moving forward with them I'll enjoy them where ever I can.
Blizzard chooses not to keep open communication on this issue. I choose to play the game I bought in the only place it's available.
Blizzard probably does not have the code necessary to make this possible. In my experience as a Systems Administrator and QA analyst for military software, when a new working version is available, the older versions start disappearing, usually because the new code is built right on top of the old. I doubt they have a hard drive laying around with the unmolested vanilla code on it.
Blizzard would have to completely rewrite vanilla from scratch. This would take money, a dev team, testing team, and the support team afterwards to iron out bugs. The tradeoff in possible subscriptions is probably pretty low. When they can drop a new title like Overwatch and pull in a solid billion, why waste the time and effort?
Usually that would be the case. However Nostalrius code is freely available to use, and it's really good. Wouldn't it be funny if Blizzard could make money out of Nostalrius code? How ironic that would be?
Blizzard probably does not have the code necessary to make this possible. In my experience as a Systems Administrator and QA analyst for military software, when a new working version is available, the older versions start disappearing, usually because the new code is built right on top of the old. I doubt they have a hard drive laying around with the unmolested vanilla code on it.
Blizzard would have to completely rewrite vanilla from scratch. This would take money, a dev team, testing team, and the support team afterwards to iron out bugs. The tradeoff in possible subscriptions is probably pretty low. When they can drop a new title like Overwatch and pull in a solid billion, why waste the time and effort?
This being said, if I wanted to play on one of the vanilla servers, then I would buy a subscription to standard Blizzard WoW and then go play the pirated vanilla copy. No money out of Blizzards pocket and I get to play something they don't offer anymore, and probably will never offer again.
I did the same thing with the original Star Wars trilogy. I have two legal copies of it, one on DVD and one on BluRay, however, the original theatrical release of the movies is no longer offered by Disney or Lucasfilm whatsoever in any format. You can only purchase the shitty "greedo shot first" special editions from a legal retailer. So I downloaded them from someone who copied them off of a Laserdisc, which was the last digital format they were offered on.
If I did that they may keep cranking out shittier expansions. That's horrible advice for those of us that hate the direction the game continues to move. Money out of their pocket is exactly what they need to hear because it's the only thing they listen to.
Happily playing Vanilla and BC WoW, again, since September 2016.
Well, if it is indeed not profitable enough for a multi-billion dollar industry to manage, yet some random dudes around the world can setup a server in less than a day, I fail to see the connection. Legacy servers require minimal maintenance and zero upgrades. That is the whole point of a Legacy server. People don't want any of that crap. So if you mean to tell me a stable Legacy server that is wanted by a minimum of 275k people would not be profitable, I have to question your education.
Probably most importantly: We don't KNOW if they want to or will enable vanilla servers. Blizzard's time is not our time and it may very well be that they will implement them. Just because it's not on the time schedule of "fans" of classic servers doesn't mean it won 't happen. It's also equally likely that they simply don't want to and that is their full right.
My point of view is they aren't in any rush to implement Vanilla servers and until they state they are moving forward with them I'll enjoy them where ever I can.
Blizzard chooses not to keep open communication on this issue. I choose to play the game I bought in the only place it's available.
Have fun with that, just dont be surprised when one that beloved server of yours goes poof
While everyone focuses on the witch hunt because that's what humans are best at. You are all easily distracted from the original point of all this. Vanilla WoW is a wanted product and Blizzard has shown no shits given to provide such a product and yet here you all are, poking your pitchforks at the only people willing to give "some" players a product they want.
I'm not saying what they did was right, because we all know it isn't legal, but at the same time, people should boycott Blizzard for being even bigger asshats by ignoring a fairly decent size community. Especially with the fact the cost to run such a server is a drop in the bucket.
So who truly is the biggest asshole here? Criminal Crusaders for a wanted product aka Robin Hood or the greedy rich executives that don't give a shit about their customers aka Martin Shkreli.
I agree with this. And mainly because Blizzard talks BS concerning vanilla servers. If some random group of pirates can pull it off to run vanilla servers, then why does Blizzard when asked , act as if it is such a big undertaking to start new vanilla servers? But it is probably the corporate part of Blizzard/Activision that fails to see (enough) potential profit that prevents the vanilla servers.
But yeah, witchhunt! *Hands out pitchforks and torches* 'For a limited time three pitchforks for the price of two !'
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Oh and flash news buddy: companies exist to *wait for it* make money. They are not your friends, they dont personay care about you.
And any sane person shouldnt care about them and defend their interests. Im disgusted
Im not defending anyone, just making you realise how things work in REAL LIFE
Keep wearing those pink tainted glasses, if it makes you feel any better, because we live in capitalism
Beside the world is a cruel and unfair place where there is hardly such thing as a free lunch.
Well, if it is indeed not profitable enough for a multi-billion dollar industry to manage, yet some random dudes around the world can setup a server in less than a day, I fail to see the connection. Legacy servers require minimal maintenance and zero upgrades. That is the whole point of a Legacy server. People don't want any of that crap. So if you mean to tell me a stable Legacy server that is wanted by a minimum of 275k people would not be profitable, I have to question your education.
Probably most importantly: We don't KNOW if they want to or will enable vanilla servers. Blizzard's time is not our time and it may very well be that they will implement them. Just because it's not on the time schedule of "fans" of classic servers doesn't mean it won 't happen. It's also equally likely that they simply don't want to and that is their full right.
My point of view is they aren't in any rush to implement Vanilla servers and until they state they are moving forward with them I'll enjoy them where ever I can.
Blizzard chooses not to keep open communication on this issue. I choose to play the game I bought in the only place it's available.
Have fun with that, just dont be surprised when one that beloved server of yours goes poof
I'm enjoying it while it's here and there will ALWAYS be others in places Blizzard has no power. Blizzard already lost this war, they just need to earn their former paying customers back. Introducing Legacy servers is the easiest way to kill the pirate servers populations.
Blizzard has admitted they still have the server code, that's not the hold up. Profits, PR and the worry of de-legitimizing Legion are their prime motivators.
Even if Blizzard magically killed EVERY vanilla server it's not like it would be the end of the world or as if I only play one game.
I dont care if its legal or not. Blizzard doesnt offer the content and they refused to listen to the players who wanted it back for the last 4 years. Then they had the audacity to tell us players "We know more about what you want than you do."
Screw Blizzard.
Fact is that its been proven that piracy has not affected the finances of either the movie industry nor the gaming industry even a little if that. The numbers showed both making hundreds of millions if not over a billion annually and there was no real difference since before the DMCA and the other BS anti piracy laws were forced down our throats.
Nostalrius is full of crap when they say that only 10% of the original Nostalrius player accounts transferred. Elysium called them on their BS claim and posted that 52% of transfer tokens switched. can we say its true? not with facts, but with Omission. Nostalrius has not challenged Elysiums claim in any way.
I dont know why Nostalrius is betraying the players that were loyal. I have no idea why they are tucking tail and growing a yellow stripe down thier back. I dont know why Nostalrius is lying about data. It makes absolutely no sense in the by and large without any information from Nostalrius.
I dont care if its legal or not. Blizzard doesnt offer the content and they refused to listen to the players who wanted it back for the last 4 years. Then they had the audacity to tell us players "We know more about what you want than you do."
Screw Blizzard.
Fact is that its been proven that piracy has not affected the finances of either the movie industry nor the gaming industry even a little if that. The numbers showed both making hundreds of millions if not over a billion annually and there was no real difference since before the DMCA and the other BS anti piracy laws were forced down our throats.
Nostalrius is full of crap when they say that only 10% of the original Nostalrius player accounts transferred. Elysium called them on their BS claim and posted that 52% of transfer tokens switched. can we say its true? not with facts, but with Omission. Nostalrius has not challenged Elysiums claim in any way.
I dont know why Nostalrius is betraying the players that were loyal. I have no idea why they are tucking tail and growing a yellow stripe down thier back. I dont know why Nostalrius is lying about data. It makes absolutely no sense in the by and large without any information from Nostalrius.
Lol, please link me this "Fact" because I'd love to see it. Stating that because a company may make money from a movie that also happens to be pirated, doesn't mean that pirating isn't affecting the industry. Pirating is taking money directly away from the company.... that IS affecting it. Maybe some wouldn't buy a movie if they didn't just pirate it, but there are some who pirate it who would buy the movie otherwise, so the FACT should be that it does negatively impact sales. The fact that you feel that you deserve the pirate because a company is making millions of dollars just goes to show the level of entitlement, which is sad.
Honestly, Nost is doing the most grown up thing they could do. This is strictly my opinion, but for Nost to do what they did, in releasing their code, it was the WORST idea EVAR!!!!! Blizzard essentially extended the olive branch, brought them out to their offices, spoke with them, etc. If I'm Nost, I'm thinking "Hey, MAYBE there could be an opportunity to offer legacy servers in partnership with Blizzard." However, then they go and set an ultimatum and, basically, destroy any sort of relationship that they may have established. Talk about blown opportunities? It could be worse foresight than when Blockbuster essentially laughed Netflix out of the state when they offered to hook up Blockbuster with digital for like $50 million. Lol. Blockbuster who? Yeah, pretty much.
Nost fucked up.... big time! Had they shown some respect and maybe a little patience then I feel like official legacy servers managed by Nost could have been a real thing. Now? Who knows.
I dont care if its legal or not. Blizzard doesnt offer the content and they refused to listen to the players who wanted it back for the last 4 years. Then they had the audacity to tell us players "We know more about what you want than you do."
Screw Blizzard.
Fact is that its been proven that piracy has not affected the finances of either the movie industry nor the gaming industry even a little if that. The numbers showed both making hundreds of millions if not over a billion annually and there was no real difference since before the DMCA and the other BS anti piracy laws were forced down our throats.
Nostalrius is full of crap when they say that only 10% of the original Nostalrius player accounts transferred. Elysium called them on their BS claim and posted that 52% of transfer tokens switched. can we say its true? not with facts, but with Omission. Nostalrius has not challenged Elysiums claim in any way.
I dont know why Nostalrius is betraying the players that were loyal. I have no idea why they are tucking tail and growing a yellow stripe down thier back. I dont know why Nostalrius is lying about data. It makes absolutely no sense in the by and large without any information from Nostalrius.
Lol, please link me this "Fact" because I'd love to see it. Stating that because a company may make money from a movie that also happens to be pirated, doesn't mean that pirating isn't affecting the industry. Pirating is taking money directly away from the company.... that IS affecting it. Maybe some wouldn't buy a movie if they didn't just pirate it, but there are some who pirate it who would buy the movie otherwise, so the FACT should be that it does negatively impact sales. The fact that you feel that you deserve the pirate because a company is making millions of dollars just goes to show the level of entitlement, which is sad.
Honestly, Nost is doing the most grown up thing they could do. This is strictly my opinion, but for Nost to do what they did, in releasing their code, it was the WORST idea EVAR!!!!! Blizzard essentially extended the olive branch, brought them out to their offices, spoke with them, etc. If I'm Nost, I'm thinking "Hey, MAYBE there could be an opportunity to offer legacy servers in partnership with Blizzard." However, then they go and set an ultimatum and, basically, destroy any sort of relationship that they may have established. Talk about blown opportunities? It could be worse foresight than when Blockbuster essentially laughed Netflix out of the state when they offered to hook up Blockbuster with digital for like $50 million. Lol. Blockbuster who? Yeah, pretty much.
Nost fucked up.... big time! Had they shown some respect and maybe a little patience then I feel like official legacy servers managed by Nost could have been a real thing. Now? Who knows.
funny part is: more often than not you will find the same exact people defending these pirate servers (because thats what they are: illegal pirate servers) to death, in the name of some moralistic bullshit that apparently overrides copyright laws.
I dont care if its legal or not. Blizzard doesnt offer the content and they refused to listen to the players who wanted it back for the last 4 years. Then they had the audacity to tell us players "We know more about what you want than you do."
Screw Blizzard.
Fact is that its been proven that piracy has not affected the finances of either the movie industry nor the gaming industry even a little if that. The numbers showed both making hundreds of millions if not over a billion annually and there was no real difference since before the DMCA and the other BS anti piracy laws were forced down our throats.
Nostalrius is full of crap when they say that only 10% of the original Nostalrius player accounts transferred. Elysium called them on their BS claim and posted that 52% of transfer tokens switched. can we say its true? not with facts, but with Omission. Nostalrius has not challenged Elysiums claim in any way.
I dont know why Nostalrius is betraying the players that were loyal. I have no idea why they are tucking tail and growing a yellow stripe down thier back. I dont know why Nostalrius is lying about data. It makes absolutely no sense in the by and large without any information from Nostalrius.
Lol, please link me this "Fact" because I'd love to see it. Stating that because a company may make money from a movie that also happens to be pirated, doesn't mean that pirating isn't affecting the industry. Pirating is taking money directly away from the company.... that IS affecting it. Maybe some wouldn't buy a movie if they didn't just pirate it, but there are some who pirate it who would buy the movie otherwise, so the FACT should be that it does negatively impact sales. The fact that you feel that you deserve the pirate because a company is making millions of dollars just goes to show the level of entitlement, which is sad.
Honestly, Nost is doing the most grown up thing they could do. This is strictly my opinion, but for Nost to do what they did, in releasing their code, it was the WORST idea EVAR!!!!! Blizzard essentially extended the olive branch, brought them out to their offices, spoke with them, etc. If I'm Nost, I'm thinking "Hey, MAYBE there could be an opportunity to offer legacy servers in partnership with Blizzard." However, then they go and set an ultimatum and, basically, destroy any sort of relationship that they may have established. Talk about blown opportunities? It could be worse foresight than when Blockbuster essentially laughed Netflix out of the state when they offered to hook up Blockbuster with digital for like $50 million. Lol. Blockbuster who? Yeah, pretty much.
Nost fucked up.... big time! Had they shown some respect and maybe a little patience then I feel like official legacy servers managed by Nost could have been a real thing. Now? Who knows.
funny part is: more often than not you will find the same exact people defending these pirate servers (because thats what they are: illegal pirate servers) to death, in the name of some moralistic bullshit that apparently overrides copyright laws.
funny part is: more often than not you will find the usual people attacking these pirate servers (because thats what they are: illegal pirate servers) to death, in the name of some moralistic bullshit because apparently there's people out there that give a shit about copyright laws. (when it suits them)
Polerized comunity, got it. People agree, people dont agree. Why keep dredging this thread back up for the sake of confrontation.
I don't know. Jaywalking sounds dangerous. This is more like slow rolling through a stop sign at an empty intersection instead of coming to a complete stop.
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I think it was Preach who said on one of his Youtube videos last month that player levels were back to what they were at the end of WoD. I cant remember what source he was using for his statement but the guy is pretty solid and i dont doubt what he says.
Imagine how embarassing it would be if the majority of players chose to play on Vanila,TBC,WotLK servers rather then retail. It would be a loud and clear message that Blizzard has lost touch with its game over the last decade.
This have been a good conversation
This is an assumption that we may never know is true due to the hasty actions of the Nost team.
- Blizzard probably does not have the code necessary to make this possible. In my experience as a Systems Administrator and QA analyst for military software, when a new working version is available, the older versions start disappearing, usually because the new code is built right on top of the old. I doubt they have a hard drive laying around with the unmolested vanilla code on it.
- Blizzard would have to completely rewrite vanilla from scratch. This would take money, a dev team, testing team, and the support team afterwards to iron out bugs. The tradeoff in possible subscriptions is probably pretty low. When they can drop a new title like Overwatch and pull in a solid billion, why waste the time and effort?
This being said, if I wanted to play on one of the vanilla servers, then I would buy a subscription to standard Blizzard WoW and then go play the pirated vanilla copy. No money out of Blizzards pocket and I get to play something they don't offer anymore, and probably will never offer again.I did the same thing with the original Star Wars trilogy. I have two legal copies of it, one on DVD and one on BluRay, however, the original theatrical release of the movies is no longer offered by Disney or Lucasfilm whatsoever in any format. You can only purchase the shitty "greedo shot first" special editions from a legal retailer. So I downloaded them from someone who copied them off of a Laserdisc, which was the last digital format they were offered on.
Blizzard chooses not to keep open communication on this issue. I choose to play the game I bought in the only place it's available.
However Nostalrius code is freely available to use, and it's really good.
Wouldn't it be funny if Blizzard could make money out of Nostalrius code?
How ironic that would be?
Have fun with that, just dont be surprised when one that beloved server of yours goes poof
Im not defending anyone, just making you realise how things work in REAL LIFE
Keep wearing those pink tainted glasses, if it makes you feel any better, because we live in capitalism
Beside the world is a cruel and unfair place where there is hardly such thing as a free lunch.
Blizzard has admitted they still have the server code, that's not the hold up. Profits, PR and the worry of de-legitimizing Legion are their prime motivators.
Even if Blizzard magically killed EVERY vanilla server it's not like it would be the end of the world or as if I only play one game.
Screw Blizzard.
Fact is that its been proven that piracy has not affected the finances of either the movie industry nor the gaming industry even a little if that. The numbers showed both making hundreds of millions if not over a billion annually and there was no real difference since before the DMCA and the other BS anti piracy laws were forced down our throats.
Nostalrius is full of crap when they say that only 10% of the original Nostalrius player accounts transferred. Elysium called them on their BS claim and posted that 52% of transfer tokens switched. can we say its true? not with facts, but with Omission. Nostalrius has not challenged Elysiums claim in any way.
I dont know why Nostalrius is betraying the players that were loyal. I have no idea why they are tucking tail and growing a yellow stripe down thier back. I dont know why Nostalrius is lying about data. It makes absolutely no sense in the by and large without any information from Nostalrius.
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Lol, please link me this "Fact" because I'd love to see it. Stating that because a company may make money from a movie that also happens to be pirated, doesn't mean that pirating isn't affecting the industry. Pirating is taking money directly away from the company.... that IS affecting it. Maybe some wouldn't buy a movie if they didn't just pirate it, but there are some who pirate it who would buy the movie otherwise, so the FACT should be that it does negatively impact sales. The fact that you feel that you deserve the pirate because a company is making millions of dollars just goes to show the level of entitlement, which is sad.
Honestly, Nost is doing the most grown up thing they could do. This is strictly my opinion, but for Nost to do what they did, in releasing their code, it was the WORST idea EVAR!!!!! Blizzard essentially extended the olive branch, brought them out to their offices, spoke with them, etc. If I'm Nost, I'm thinking "Hey, MAYBE there could be an opportunity to offer legacy servers in partnership with Blizzard." However, then they go and set an ultimatum and, basically, destroy any sort of relationship that they may have established. Talk about blown opportunities? It could be worse foresight than when Blockbuster essentially laughed Netflix out of the state when they offered to hook up Blockbuster with digital for like $50 million. Lol. Blockbuster who? Yeah, pretty much.
Nost fucked up.... big time! Had they shown some respect and maybe a little patience then I feel like official legacy servers managed by Nost could have been a real thing. Now? Who knows.
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funny part is: more often than not you will find the same exact people defending these pirate servers (because thats what they are: illegal pirate servers) to death, in the name of some moralistic bullshit that apparently overrides copyright laws.
Polerized comunity, got it. People agree, people dont agree. Why keep dredging this thread back up for the sake of confrontation.
I don't know. Jaywalking sounds dangerous. This is more like slow rolling through a stop sign at an empty intersection instead of coming to a complete stop.