This seems more like an easy grab of quick cash to me. Why does it matter if someone bots? Its already super easy to level to 110...honestly have no idea why WoW even has levels. Blizzard can solve the boring ass leveling by making everyone able to get to 110 for free...but they want that 60$ per character boost.
Also, at level 110 is completely different than even level 100 which is vastly different gameplay than level 1. Its almost like leveling from 1 to 110 is a complete bait and switch. Its like a totally different game at max level...so why even have leveling at all?
What a rip off scam. I'm glad I don't play WoW anymore
You are part of the problem when it comes to these cheaters. The majority of your post is just laughable. Why have leveling in an MMO??
In EVE, from the start of the game to the "end" of the game is all the same. It doesn't suddenly change at "level" 1 (low skills in EVE) and then suddenly the entire game changes at max level (or max skills in EVE). In EVE, I can PvP in huge battles from the start if I join a good corp and do roughly the same things no matter what skills I have.
Why have leveling if the endgame is not even closely the same as the leveling game? That is stupid.
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Unfortunately, it's another temporary solution to a permanent problem. Over a decade worth of bots, and the only thing you can be certain of is that when you create a void, someone will fill it.
That's what makes drug comparisons silly as there has been no stopping opiates and the like by going after the dealers (that's just for show), take one down the client just goes somewhere else. As they will here, you have to fight the urges to use to make any real headway, but that's the hard solution, in both cases. In terms of games you have to truly improve the experience if you wanna stop folks from wanting to skip it.
Are you LOLing Soki because you think that is not true, or because you perceive it as some slight against Blizzard? LOL @ both reasonings either way...
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Interesting. Riot Games recently won a lawsuit in a similar case (Scripts for League of Legends). I hope this sets a good precedent for future botting/scripting/hacking sites, that's great!
But I still can't understand how bot/hack users can sue any company and get their account back + bonus items if they are banned, this is so ridiculous, that's why it's hard to deal with bots, even though most of us can identify a bot easily, Blizzard/GMs have to spend 10 hours gathering proof for one single bot or else there is a chance they will sue the company.
you think you can spot a bot easily... bots arent just players grinding mobs in 1 area for days on end.. or gathering the exact same stuff for days on end and flooding the AH and there is a whole world of bots that are private and not for retail sale that nobody has any idea about and they are the ones that you would never pick out...
even in a raid environment, you can make a bot do your rotation for you to do your perfect rotation everytime.. hell i even saw some raiding rotations that had built in failsafes that messed up rotations every so often so you couldn't tell that it was not being played manually...
good bots are far less easy to detect than the general mob / material gatherer and do advanced things too.. hell this bot quested, did world quests and pretty much anything you could think of in game and for the most part looked like any kind of regular player from what i've seen...
but i mean this is a good thing and it's about time blizzard got on the winning end of this fight.
Should ban every account that used the program too.
Until we see zero tolerance for this then it won't stop. I don't think a player should never be allowed to make an account again, but the offending account should be permanently closed. If a player still wants to remain they would have to rebuild with both the time and money it takes.
I don't think any publisher is willing to take the revenue hit. In order for that to work it would take everyone applying the same standard.
Daybreak has an interesting solution. If you're permabanned in EQ2 they send your characters to a prison server. You can only access that server as a subscriber. You can't transfer off.
i think you misunderstand what you're saying here....
there are plenty of these guys who lose 5 - 10 accounts at a time for only 6 months and buy another set of accounts the next day
even the casual botters were losing their main account for 6 months and buying a new account right away to get started again, they don't care about the financial side of losing an account so pema banning / temporary banning none of it matters.
the only thing that would matter would be if it stopped you from making an account ever again, but even then a VPN can bypass that pretty easily.
Interesting. Riot Games recently won a lawsuit in a similar case (Scripts for League of Legends). I hope this sets a good precedent for future botting/scripting/hacking sites, that's great!
But I still can't understand how bot/hack users can sue any company and get their account back + bonus items if they are banned, this is so ridiculous, that's why it's hard to deal with bots, even though most of us can identify a bot easily, Blizzard/GMs have to spend 10 hours gathering proof for one single bot or else there is a chance they will sue the company.
you think you can spot a bot easily... bots arent just players grinding mobs in 1 area for days on end.. or gathering the exact same stuff for days on end and flooding the AH and there is a whole world of bots that are private and not for retail sale that nobody has any idea about and they are the ones that you would never pick out...
I don't understand why this is relevant to my post? I mean, I know there is "underground"/uncommon/subtle bots. I'm talking about obvious farming bots and why companies are afraid to do anything about them, it's not always because they are afraid of losing customers.
I don't know if I would ''never pick out'', it really depends on what the bot does, some are easier to spot than you think. Even subtle hacks of -5% cast speed or whatever can be identifiable with a battle log.
First of all Blizzard has filed for suits in many different courts.No wonder their games always look low budget,they are spending all the money on lawyers and courts.
I read over many documents and even the court case that started all this so called liability going back to the Napster days.The problem and a VERY big one is that there is no real clear cut factual determination of guilt,it is simply up to the jury or judge and who has better lawyers.
The court or i guess judge that started this very bad omen on the justice system determined that the supplier of a program should be liable for how users use the program.MANY lawyers and others disagree as so do i and they gave many reasons.
The judge determined that the supplier needs to prove they are creating means to continually make sure users are not abusing their software to infringe copyright.Obviously many jumped all over that retarded statement by stating it is impractical,impossible for a business or software creator to keep tabs on millions of different users and how they circumvent the software.
Perfect example is Torrents.According to THAT judge a software creator of a torrent would be liable if users are stealing copyright material wit that torrent.IMO that is totally unfair and impractical to try and stop millions of users from doing so.
Blizzard is simply flexing their $$$,several lawyers and in several countries in hopes even one judge will see their side of the complaint.
For the record ,one judge already determined that simply watching a bot on a screen is not copyright infringement.Watching ANY video is not copyright infringement,how you got it might be though.
There is like 5 suits one i remember has to do with claims Bossland is circumventing players to break the contract/TOS.Laws are just far too vague,it comes down to who's lawyers make a better argument trying to twist the definitions of law.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
First of all Blizzard has filed for suits in many different courts.No wonder their games always look low budget,they are spending all the money on lawyers and courts.
I read over many documents and even the court case that started all this so called liability going back to the Napster days.The problem and a VERY big one is that there is no real clear cut factual determination of guilt,it is simply up to the jury or judge and who has better lawyers.
The court or i guess judge that started this very bad omen on the justice system determined that the supplier of a program should be liable for how users use the program.MANY lawyers and others disagree as so do i and they gave many reasons.
The judge determined that the supplier needs to prove they are creating means to continually make sure users are not abusing their software to infringe copyright.Obviously many jumped all over that retarded statement by stating it is impractical,impossible for a business or software creator to keep tabs on millions of different users and how they circumvent the software.
Perfect example is Torrents.According to THAT judge a software creator of a torrent would be liable if users are stealing copyright material wit that torrent.IMO that is totally unfair and impractical to try and stop millions of users from doing so.
Blizzard is simply flexing their $$$,several lawyers and in several countries in hopes even one judge will see their side of the complaint.
For the record ,one judge already determined that simply watching a bot on a screen is not copyright infringement.Watching ANY video is not copyright infringement,how you got it might be though.
There is like 5 suits one i remember has to do with claims Bossland is circumventing players to break the contract/TOS.Laws are just far too vague,it comes down to who's lawyers make a better argument trying to twist the definitions of law.
Low budget? Do you mean the graphics? Blizzard is known for having some of the most polished games across many genres.
Also, do you think they don't have the money to cover these lawsuits? I mean, have you followed how much money they've made from WoW alone over the years? And what are they supposed to do, not protect their interests?
If they have a lawyer on staff, then I is a covered expense.
I think this is a good thing, and I am really proud of the German judge that handled the appeal. It isn't right what the botting company is doing. It ruins the game, and that it is why it is in the Eula.
I dunno. I personally don't see anything different with paying 60 dollars to get to endgame, or botting. Except, one is filling the company pockets with money and the other isn't.
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Also, if the game is so boring you even feel like botting, or buying your way into endgame...the game probably sucks and not worth playing if you need a program playing for you.
Like, while there is no difference to me with paying your way to endgame or botting...if the game is so boring that you don't want to play it...why...play it?
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Some games have found workable "solutions" to some bot issues. Black Desert Online lets you stay logged in indefinitely and AFK fish, and some gathering and crafting can be done by workers. Things that would help alleviate the myriad of grindy tasks in WoW.
WoW is hardly as grindy as alot of MMOs, but it is just as tedious in alot of ways. People will look for ways to circumvent the tedium or play other games. Blizzard might take down Bossland, but someone else will step in with the next bot and things will be the same as they have ever been because people want to get around the aspects of a game they find "boring"
I'm not trying to defend bossland, or botting here. I just don't believe any game will ever truly be rid of botting. It's profitable for the creators, and it's easymode for the users. It's also apparently worth it to them because they keep doing it.
I dunno. I personally don't see anything different with paying 60 dollars to get to endgame, or botting. Except, one is filling the company pockets with money and the other isn't.
So are you saying people botting doesn't bother you?
I feel bothered the same as someone paying their way to endgame. Pretty much same exact thing. Like, literally nothing different with botting your way to endgame and paying your way to endgame lol
When I play EVE or LOTRO, I never feel the need to pay my way to endgame or bot. LOTRO its all about the story and adventure, the exploration and being in the world. You'd literally miss 99.9% of the game paying your way to max. In EVE, its kinda the same thing but in a huge amazing sandbox. And botting in EVE would be so dumb anyway, cause you'd get killed/ganked so easily with any bot lol.
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I dunno. I personally don't see anything different with paying 60 dollars to get to endgame, or botting. Except, one is filling the company pockets with money and the other isn't.
Except, people who use bots tend to ruin games for other players, take ESO, bots were used in that game extensively and it was a problem for other players, it negatively affected how those players thought of the game because of the activities of the 'botters', and when you look at those complaints about the bots in ESO, how many players actually quit? and this was when ESO was P2P, which meant that botters were causing Zenimax to lose money. When evaluating the impact of botters and the difference between a bot and a player, you really have to consider the 'big picture'. So personally i hope Blizzard nail Bossland hard, make an example of them that will dissuade other bot makers, personally i'd like to see them receive custodial sentences alongside the fines, but we can't have everything i guess.
I dunno. I personally don't see anything different with paying 60 dollars to get to endgame, or botting. Except, one is filling the company pockets with money and the other isn't.
Bots are used to do a lot more than grind XP. They are also used to harvest resources and kill mobs for loot and coin, which can totally screw up a game's economy for those who are playing by regular means.
I hate to back any large company, especially the lowlifes at blizzard but I'm happy to see this. It's about time somebody's taken a step against these people, now hopefully they go after these gold farmers next.
Unfortunately, it's another temporary solution to a permanent problem. Over a decade worth of bots, and the only thing you can be certain of is that when you create a void, someone will fill it.
The idea is to make it such a chance to lose everything if they go after you. I don't mind them doing this at all. Doesn't do any good to go after a single user ever because it doesn't change anything. You go after the ones selling these pieces of crap and take them to the cleaners, over time things will slowly change as people realize it isn't worth the risk vs reward. It really boils down to these people were making money based of someone else work and copyrighted material. They deserve whatever happens to be honest.
I hate to back any large company, especially the lowlifes at blizzard but I'm happy to see this. It's about time somebody's taken a step against these people, now hopefully they go after these gold farmers next.
Damn those large companies and their quality products.
It's about time someone started to go after these leeches that seem to operate with such complete impunity.
Perhaps the internet's "Wild West" phase is beginning to fade a bit ? One can but hope...
Yeah, let's police the Internet like we do the real world...great. Can't wait to pay for a government permit to create an app or launch a website. Get after them blizzard, but leave the courts out of it. I'm sorry but the video game company crying to the courts about their profits is more shameful than the cheaters.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
It's about time someone started to go after these leeches that seem to operate with such complete impunity.
Perhaps the internet's "Wild West" phase is beginning to fade a bit ? One can but hope...
Yeah, let's police the Internet like we do the real world...great. ...
It's inevitable.
The internet is growing up, it's no longer a toy for geeks, it's becoming an essential part of modern life. That means people will give up some "freedom" for protection against service disruptions and criminal activity. Just like the Wild West was tamed and regulated back in the day...
I hate to back any large company, especially the lowlifes at blizzard but I'm happy to see this. It's about time somebody's taken a step against these people, now hopefully they go after these gold farmers next.
...because a company is large they're lowlifes?
Didn't say that by any means I said Blizzard are a bunch of lowlifes (due t the way they treat people) not large companies. "Start trouble else where"
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Why have leveling if the endgame is not even closely the same as the leveling game? That is stupid.
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Are you LOLing Soki because you think that is not true, or because you perceive it as some slight against Blizzard? LOL @ both reasonings either way...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
you think you can spot a bot easily... bots arent just players grinding mobs in 1 area for days on end.. or gathering the exact same stuff for days on end and flooding the AH and there is a whole world of bots that are private and not for retail sale that nobody has any idea about and they are the ones that you would never pick out...
even in a raid environment, you can make a bot do your rotation for you to do your perfect rotation everytime.. hell i even saw some raiding rotations that had built in failsafes that messed up rotations every so often so you couldn't tell that it was not being played manually...
good bots are far less easy to detect than the general mob / material gatherer and do advanced things too.. hell this bot quested, did world quests and pretty much anything you could think of in game and for the most part looked like any kind of regular player from what i've seen...
but i mean this is a good thing and it's about time blizzard got on the winning end of this fight.
i think you misunderstand what you're saying here....
there are plenty of these guys who lose 5 - 10 accounts at a time for only 6 months and buy another set of accounts the next day
even the casual botters were losing their main account for 6 months and buying a new account right away to get started again, they don't care about the financial side of losing an account so pema banning / temporary banning none of it matters.
the only thing that would matter would be if it stopped you from making an account ever again, but even then a VPN can bypass that pretty easily.
I hope Blizz gets every penny.
This is hardly just about WoW.
People complain when they cover non-MMO news. . .
. . .People complain when they do cover MMO news. . .
. . .I feel bad for this site.
I don't know if I would ''never pick out'', it really depends on what the bot does, some are easier to spot than you think. Even subtle hacks of -5% cast speed or whatever can be identifiable with a battle log.
I read over many documents and even the court case that started all this so called liability going back to the Napster days.The problem and a VERY big one is that there is no real clear cut factual determination of guilt,it is simply up to the jury or judge and who has better lawyers.
The court or i guess judge that started this very bad omen on the justice system determined that the supplier of a program should be liable for how users use the program.MANY lawyers and others disagree as so do i and they gave many reasons.
The judge determined that the supplier needs to prove they are creating means to continually make sure users are not abusing their software to infringe copyright.Obviously many jumped all over that retarded statement by stating it is impractical,impossible for a business or software creator to keep tabs on millions of different users and how they circumvent the software.
Perfect example is Torrents.According to THAT judge a software creator of a torrent would be liable if users are stealing copyright material wit that torrent.IMO that is totally unfair and impractical to try and stop millions of users from doing so.
Blizzard is simply flexing their $$$,several lawyers and in several countries in hopes even one judge will see their side of the complaint.
For the record ,one judge already determined that simply watching a bot on a screen is not copyright infringement.Watching ANY video is not copyright infringement,how you got it might be though.
There is like 5 suits one i remember has to do with claims Bossland is circumventing players to break the contract/TOS.Laws are just far too vague,it comes down to who's lawyers make a better argument trying to twist the definitions of law.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Low budget? Do you mean the graphics? Blizzard is known for having some of the most polished games across many genres.
Also, do you think they don't have the money to cover these lawsuits? I mean, have you followed how much money they've made from WoW alone over the years? And what are they supposed to do, not protect their interests?
I think this is a good thing, and I am really proud of the German judge that handled the appeal. It isn't right what the botting company is doing. It ruins the game, and that it is why it is in the Eula.
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Like, while there is no difference to me with paying your way to endgame or botting...if the game is so boring that you don't want to play it...why...play it?
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WoW is hardly as grindy as alot of MMOs, but it is just as tedious in alot of ways. People will look for ways to circumvent the tedium or play other games. Blizzard might take down Bossland, but someone else will step in with the next bot and things will be the same as they have ever been because people want to get around the aspects of a game they find "boring"
I'm not trying to defend bossland, or botting here. I just don't believe any game will ever truly be rid of botting. It's profitable for the creators, and it's easymode for the users. It's also apparently worth it to them because they keep doing it.
When I play EVE or LOTRO, I never feel the need to pay my way to endgame or bot. LOTRO its all about the story and adventure, the exploration and being in the world. You'd literally miss 99.9% of the game paying your way to max. In EVE, its kinda the same thing but in a huge amazing sandbox. And botting in EVE would be so dumb anyway, cause you'd get killed/ganked so easily with any bot lol.
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https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul
When evaluating the impact of botters and the difference between a bot and a player, you really have to consider the 'big picture'.
So personally i hope Blizzard nail Bossland hard, make an example of them that will dissuade other bot makers, personally i'd like to see them receive custodial sentences alongside the fines, but we can't have everything i guess.
Bots are used to do a lot more than grind XP. They are also used to harvest resources and kill mobs for loot and coin, which can totally screw up a game's economy for those who are playing by regular means.
Damn those large companies and their quality products.
Yeah, let's police the Internet like we do the real world...great. Can't wait to pay for a government permit to create an app or launch a website. Get after them blizzard, but leave the courts out of it. I'm sorry but the video game company crying to the courts about their profits is more shameful than the cheaters.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
The internet is growing up, it's no longer a toy for geeks, it's becoming an essential part of modern life. That means people will give up some "freedom" for protection against service disruptions and criminal activity. Just like the Wild West was tamed and regulated back in the day...
I hope they make a spell/attribute/item or weapon so we can all remember when they really 'cleaned' the bot problem....
A spell called "Bot Sweep" 100% chance to crit, +50% range, 10 sec cool down, stacks with other players
A sword called...?
Didn't say that by any means I said Blizzard are a bunch of lowlifes (due t the way they treat people) not large companies. "Start trouble else where"