'Play Nice, Play Fair' - Blizz to Crack Down on Bad Behavior - Overwatch - MMORPG.com

SBFord · July 2017

'Play Nice, Play Fair' - Blizz to Crack Down on Bad Behavior - Overwatch - MMORPG.com

Overwatch News - Blizzard is going to be cracking down on bad behavior in Overwatch effective immediately. Citing "play nice, play fair" as the core values for the game, the team is taking those values to heart. Starting now, there will be increased penalties to players after reports of bad behavior are verified. "Bad Behavior" includes: "anything from abusive chat, harassment, in-game spam, match inactivity (being intentionally AFK), and griefing."

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Arskaaa · July 2017

what about people who report others for fun?

SpottyGekko · July 2017

The mod team will have their work cut out for them, toxicity is almost "standard practice" these days.

The forum rage will be epic !

Sovrath · July 2017

Arskaaa said:

what about people who report others for fun?

Probably doesn't matter, you still have to have done something toxic.

Turael · July 2017

Sovrath said:

Arskaaa said:

what about people who report others for fun?

Probably doesn't matter, you still have to have done something toxic.

It's mentioned in the last sentence:

"...and functionality that will allow us to more aggressively penalize players who attempt to abuse the in-game reporting tool."

Arskaaa · July 2017

so i finally can play torb in offensive map without called ***** ****'? awesome.

jgDuffay · July 2017

Arskaaa said:

so i finally can play torb in offensive map without called ***** ****'? awesome.

Still getting reported for poor team work & trolling if the torb is not working tho, torb mains will probably just be baned instantly. Sigh

Hariken · July 2017

Blizzard shouldn't even waste time on this. Its always the same with online shooters today.

SpottyGekko · July 2017

DMKano said:

So how are they going to police griefing and non-chat related harassment?

Yep... they wont, because that would require an army of CS actually reviewing matches.

Chat, spam and afk are easy to enforce via automated tools.

Just anything that requires an actual human to review, yep... this will be 1 in a 1000 type of scenario

Probably more like 1 in 10,000.

How many million players are there currently ? Anything that's not easily verifiable (like abuse in chat) will probably be randomly enforced by making an example of a few cases.

laxie · July 2017

DMKano said:

So how are they going to police griefing and non-chat related harassment?

Yep... they wont, because that would require an army of CS actually reviewing matches.

Chat, spam and afk are easy to enforce via automated tools.

Just anything that requires an actual human to review, yep... this will be 1 in a 1000 type of scenario

I am guessing that can be done statistically?
If the average player gets reported 2% of the time, a griefer then might get reported 15% of the time. You should be able to single those out just by looking at the patterns of someone being reported.

It's also possible to weight the reports. If one person reports everyone they play with, then the system might just ignore any reports from the player. If a person had used the report system 5 times in the past, and each time the target of the report was found to be genuinely abusive, the system might place a lot of weight when said person submits a report for the 6th time.

There are bound to be some false positives, as with anything. So you need to have a solid system for appealing.

Zandog · July 2017

When ever there is competitive PvP based gameplay, the toxic crowd follows. MOBA, FPS, RTS all suffer from a generation of unchecked, self entitled young men who look at the world and see that manipulation and cheating is the only formula for success. And rightfully so. The older generations have taught us some hard facts.

anddqa · July 2017

I got kicked when defending flag as bastion on arcade ctf mode

MazingerZ · July 2017

Arskaaa said:

so i finally can play torb in offensive map without called ***** ****'? awesome.

No one expects the attack Torb. He's pretty perfect for anti-flanking.

mmrv · July 2017

DMKano said:

So how are they going to police griefing and non-chat related harassment?

Yep... they wont, because that would require an army of CS actually reviewing matches.

Chat, spam and afk are easy to enforce via automated tools.

Just anything that requires an actual human to review, yep... this will be 1 in a 1000 type of scenario

ITs the usual horseshit you see it in league of legends as well. The definition of "bad behavior" is purely limited to chat its lazy and often the truly toxic bad behavior is not the chat its the player who is the douche bag in game that then encourages people to say something in chat about it.

Its akin to punishing the person who punches second because you are too inept to see the first who delivered the first punch.

mmrv · July 2017

Zandog said:

When ever there is competitive PvP based gameplay, the toxic crowd follows. MOBA, FPS, RTS all suffer from a generation of unchecked, self entitled young men who look at the world and see that manipulation and cheating is the only formula for success. And rightfully so. The older generations have taught us some hard facts.

I think you got it all backwards. The truly toxic crowd are people like you who feel entitled to destroy everyone elses fun because you are the most important. Ill play ranked and pick terrible champs, not try to win, even though there is a casual mode made just for me, why do i insist on playing the competitive mode? BECAUSE I WANT TO BLERGGG.

And they learned well from the soccer moms spoiling the little brats with participation trophies patting on the back saying you are awesome no matter how bad they actually are.

Mendel · July 2017

Turael said:

Sovrath said:

Arskaaa said:

what about people who report others for fun?

Probably doesn't matter, you still have to have done something toxic.

It's mentioned in the last sentence:

"...and functionality that will allow us to more aggressively penalize players who attempt to abuse the in-game reporting tool."

I wonder if they've caught on to the idea of monetizing use of the reporting tool. Ya wanna complain? It's gonna cost ya.

Renoaku · July 2017

Over 90% of games I just turn off chat and voice cuz peeps are idiots in my eyes or toxic, turning it off I don't have to hear them whine, and complain like every game if someone is playing Widow Maker, they are like OMG CHANGE PLZ, and if they don't they complain all game long.

URMAKER · July 2017

good maybe i won't get slammed everytime i wanna play some junkrat.

Hrimnir · July 2017

This should be fun to watch unfold. That game has a GIANT community in the 13-18 age range and those kids are part of the trolling generation. This is going to cost blizzard an inordinate amount of money to police and will likely result in little to no functional differences. Let's not also forget now kids have even more an incentive to troll other people via the report function.

k61977 · July 2017

mmrv said:

Zandog said:

When ever there is competitive PvP based gameplay, the toxic crowd follows. MOBA, FPS, RTS all suffer from a generation of unchecked, self entitled young men who look at the world and see that manipulation and cheating is the only formula for success. And rightfully so. The older generations have taught us some hard facts.

I think you got it all backwards. The truly toxic crowd are people like you who feel entitled to destroy everyone elses fun because you are the most important. Ill play ranked and pick terrible champs, not try to win, even though there is a casual mode made just for me, why do i insist on playing the competitive mode? BECAUSE I WANT TO BLERGGG.

And they learned well from the soccer moms spoiling the little brats with participation trophies patting on the back saying you are awesome no matter how bad they actually are.

Everything you said was ok till you stated "not try to win". If you are not trying to win you shouldn't even que for a competitive match, you are basically griefing all the other players that need the win doing that. You are more of a problem then the person you were responding to IMO. Pick the worst champ, no problem as long as you are trying, lose not a problem as long as you were trying. To lose on purpose because you didn't want to try is a problem in a competitive match. That has a name called match fixing which is the worse offense you can do in these games other than using a hack. You come of sounding like the entitled one just because you want to btw.

DavodtheTutt · July 2017

There's probably a reason why brawlers and FPS and games that focus on PvP tend to have toxicity problems. What's more natural, when the games are all about "killing" the other players? And when you do so in teams, anybody who doesn't seem to be pulling their weight or is just the weakest link due to less experience or anything, is bound to get salted. And, yes, there are those who are going to enjoy stabbing their teammates in the back by goofing off intentionally. Which makes it all the worse for those who make honest mistakes.

The most wonderful, supportive community of MMORPG players I ever encountered was in City of Heroes, especially before they added the Villains side. But even before the game went live, I encountered people in the forum who were complaining about not being able to play villains and PvP kill heroes. There was at least one who announced intentions to sabotage missions, and I saw it happen once.

I think with Overwatch, adding the Arcade mode helped, but I think it would be even better if they selected a few settings that would encourage less-intense playing, maybe a no-kill "Party Mode," even, give more easy-access options that would tend to separate the truly casual players and newbies from those who are more competitive.

It's not much fun in Quick Play when you have players who are taking a break from, or warming up for, competitive play mixed in with those who just wanna have fun making things go boom and everyone in-between. It's an invitation to friction and hurt feelings, and makes it hard to distinguish true griefers from people who are simply at the extremes of the spectrum and having a hard time getting along.

Dakeru · July 2017

mmrv said:

Zandog said:

When ever there is competitive PvP based gameplay, the toxic crowd follows. MOBA, FPS, RTS all suffer from a generation of unchecked, self entitled young men who look at the world and see that manipulation and cheating is the only formula for success. And rightfully so. The older generations have taught us some hard facts.

I think you got it all backwards. The truly toxic crowd are people like you who feel entitled to destroy everyone elses fun because you are the most important. Ill play ranked and pick terrible champs, not try to win, even though there is a casual mode made just for me, why do i insist on playing the competitive mode? BECAUSE I WANT TO BLERGGG.

And they learned well from the soccer moms spoiling the little brats with participation trophies patting on the back saying you are awesome no matter how bad they actually are.

He made some general statements.
You attacked him directly suggesting that he is a bad player purposely ruining your fun.

You are clearly 10 times more toxic than he is.

laserit · July 2017

Zandog said:

When ever there is competitive PvP based gameplay, the toxic crowd follows. MOBA, FPS, RTS all suffer from a generation of unchecked, self entitled young men who look at the world and see that manipulation and cheating is the only formula for success. And rightfully so. The older generations have taught us some hard facts.

It's not only about self entitled young men...

Haven't you ever watched Dr Phil

Amathe · July 2017

Please come play my PvP game so you can be nice to other people.

Sovrath · July 2017

Amathe said:

Please come play my PvP game so you can be nice to other people.

You can be "nice" or civil in a pvp game. Or at least not mean spirited. If you can't be "nice/civil/not mean spirited" then I suggest you are playing a pvp game to indulge your issues.

Amathe · July 2017

Sovrath said:

Amathe said:

Please come play my PvP game so you can be nice to other people.

You can be "nice" or civil in a pvp game. Or at least not mean spirited. If you can't be "nice/civil/not mean spirited" then I suggest you are playing a pvp game to indulge your issues.

When I PvP I seldom if ever talk to anyone. I just play and don't bother anyone (other than trying to kill them lol).

But I can state based on many, many hundreds of hours PvPing that there are a TON of PvPers (not all, but a lot) whose enjoyment seems to be based on, or bound up with, griefing others. Blizzard can't change that. They may ban a few folks, but they won't alter the overall experience of their game much.

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