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why pve is better
nerovergil
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pvp in a nutshell
win
1. u play good
2. u feed but team play good
3. opponent play bad
4. lucky
lose
1. u play bad
2. u play good but team feed like hell
3. opponent play good
4. bad luck
pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
pve? win everything and roleplay in your mind
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Win
You had better gear or higher level. The opposite for lose.
But funny enough are the reasons you stated the ones I like PvP. It is the gear and level ones that makes PvE more fun, the rest are good reasons to PvP in my book.
We basically still use Meridian 59s game mechanics in MMOs and while it for some reason became a popular PvP game it was built for PvE from the start. Almost all later MMOs as well are built for PvE with PvP added as an afterthought.
Yes, there is Eve, SWG, DaoC, Guildwars and a few others that was made with PvP in mind from the start but the main mechanics of the genre are focused on providing good PvE.
Now, if you look on FPS games it is a different matter. While Doom and most of the other games also were made with single player (and at times with 4 or so in multiplayer) they have moved away from that and now PvP is everything. The mechanics are made for that and you can see that the ones that still have a bit of PvE does it badly.
You can't expect games basically built for PvE to provide fun PvP or at least as fun as a game built mainly for PvP. The point of most MMOs is to max out your level and get the best gear but goals like that work badly in a PvP game. For a PvP game you need a small powergap and other motivations for people to play, something FPS games have but most MMORPGs don't have.
The one MMORPG I feel have best PvP goals is DaoC. Sadly with WAR they screwed up and went more to PvE styled motivation then improving what DaoC had set up.
But whatever.
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Don't do enough dps in PvE = kick from party
Fast Fast Fast , skip everything in PvE
PvE usually comes with a very toxic community, with many egocentric/egoistic players. While in PvP usually you do try to have eachothers back.
But by all means, if standing 20 feet down a hall of "guards" who stand there while you "pull" them one at at time turns you on, go knock yourself out.
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I'm playing Foxhole at the moment, and I've seen more antisocial behaviour there in the last 50 hours than I've seen in the last 3 years of PVE MMO gaming, lol
Please tell me which PVE game has a more toxic community than something like League of Legends ?
PvE in MMORPGS is so-so. Most of the time it's insanely easy, you can facepalm yourself through the content, the only thing needed to get everything being the amont of time invested. Some MMORPGs have a good story, then it's fun, but they are the exception.
PvE in other games: depends on the genre, but in general it's much better. Strategy games like Civilization can provide a great challenge, or games like Stardew Valley can keep you hooked with all the little storylines and characters.
PvP in MMORPGs is basically always horrible, as it's mostly pay2win
PvP in other games: well, that depends. DOTA2 is an example how to do it right. No P2W at all, everybody got the same chances and access to everything.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
MMORPGs after all are why we are on this site...
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OK.. like I said.. good thing you found Overwatch. Leave the MMORPG PvP to the rest of us
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A way of fixing this would entail enforcing games age ratings with greater efficiency, which sadly is unlikely, until that actually is possible, the best you can do is block them and carry on, though i have to wonder, how it is that so many apparent 12 year olds are able to play games like CS:GO without any problems, i can only think that their parents are either uncaring, or are just not getting involved in their childrens daily lives except on a minimal basis.
You said you hate MMORPG PvP and like Overwatch. GOOD! Go play it!
Leave the MMORPG PvP to those of us who enjoy it. It's a fairly simple concept. If you like something go do it. If you dislike something, avoid it.
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