While SWG is nearing 3 years old, it still outshines most MMOs in the graphics department. They're even doing a graphics update soon, so I'm sure it'll only get better
Originally posted by Jazia And I guess if there are only 5 different outfits for ALL humans on the earth irl, you will complaint about "graphics sux irl!" ? lol
Look, I've explained as to why I consider customisation to be a graphics issue: it impacts my graphical enjoyment of the game. If you want to define graphics more narrowly, that's fine, but you can't force me to accept your definition. My bottom line is that anything that impacts my graphical enjoyment of the game is a graphics issue for me. Case closed.
L2 has well done graphic models, but I odn't like the art its self. If you ignore EQ2 and WoW that would be my vote for best done all around especially how the models work with collision and gear...actually in collision of gear it is better than many of the EQ2 and WoW models overall.
But, again, I really don't like the art its self. Stylized but kinda boring and over done at the same time, meh just my thoughts.
Originally posted by Novaseeker Originally posted by Jazia
You feel everyone looks the same in L2. It's not a part of the graphics issue. Rather customization problem.. Which means, there are too few models of each race or too few options for make your characters different. And I agree on L2 characters look the same. Use elf female for example, only 3 different faces, 6 or so hair styles, 2 hair color. Nothing else to make them look different. But that is not a part of graphic problem.
See I don't agree with that really.
To me, graphics is about how the game graphically appeals to me. So to me even where you have nice models like L2, when you have too few of them, and don't allow them to be customised, to me that is a "graphics" issue because it impacts directly how the game graphically appeals to me. Seeing everyone of a certain race look more or less the same, even if that "same look" is pretty, detracts from the graphical enjoyment of the game for me, which is why for me it counts as a "graphics" issue.
Have fun doing Castle sieges with 600 people who all look diffrent. trust me, your computer will go down before the castle does. they all look the same for a technical reason.
Originally posted by Jazia Originally posted by kimmar
I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
After install and got all the autoupdate patches, my Lineage2 folder is 4.8GB.
And no, "world" size matters the most to the game size imo.
Oh, okay. Dang, that's a hefty patch! Another 2.4 Gig to download after the original 2.4 Gig download. I wonder why they didn't just put it in the original D2D file? I would just go buy the boxset if I were going to purchase the game.
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by Jazia Originally posted by kimmar
I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
After install and got all the autoupdate patches, my Lineage2 folder is 4.8GB.
And no, "world" size matters the most to the game size imo.
So is Lineage II world small?
Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig! And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Personally, I hate EVE but when it comes to graphics its probably the best. The only other games that compete graphically, or are better are still in development (Age of Conan, Huxley, Ragnarok Online 2, Hero's Journey, and Granado Espada)
Some games like L2, GW, WoW etc....strive for a very stylized artistic look to their worlds to make up for limited graphic engines. Mostly these artistic themes are in keeping with the core artwork developed by artists and agreed upon by the dev team. EQ2 and other games that strive for realism and have a hard niche to fill because realism while maintaining a sense of fantasy is hard to do if you don't own a high end CGI workstation that costs around 50k.
The artwork debate IMHO is up in the air because art is all a matter opinion and some people might think EQ2 art is great while others ( myself including ) might like artwork of other MMORPGs. So saying that one artistic style is better then another is a moot point IMHO. You would have a easier time debating and comparing graphic engine abilities instead debating artistic styles.
P.S. Let me add that EQ2 is not future proof. It does not take full advantage of duel-core CPU's. Vanguard I hear will make good use of duel-core CPU's and hopefully other MMORPG's coming out will also do the same.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by Torak Lineage2 City of Heros/Villians Guild Wars All have better graphics then WoW or EQII in my opinion Ryzom was pretty good, the art style turned me off though.
Graphics and art style are two different things. I agree that CoV has excellent graphics, while it also has a great art style to it. Lineage 2 has great art, but lacks in the graphics department. They are at least a year out of date and that is being quite kind.
DAoC has excellent graphics and a realistic style. I am speaking of the updated graphics circa Darkness Rising of course. Ryzom, though, has probably the best graphics after DAoC and EQ2. They are very detailed and the art style is very particular but quite appealing esthetically.
Have you seen lineage II in C4? Turn on HDR lighting or 4x AA and it's a good looking game on all full details.
GG...it's not even close...and quit with these useless semantical arguments about the definition of what graphics means...
in layman's terms graphics means "what looks the best"
and love or hate L2 its "graphics" are the best...
when u play on high detail with shadows, and all the flora and fauna in full definition...it looks amazing...most of the screenshots on this site look like garbage...i'm not sayin all of you will like this game but i've played SWG, EQII, WOW, UO, DAOC...and one of the reasons i kept coming back to that game is because it's so beautiful to look at
if you don't believe me check out some of the recent pvp and siege fraps at
i dun have any affliation with that guild but it is one of the strongest guilds on my server so they have a lot of nice videos...go to l2guru.com i forget the address exactly but it also has links to good videos
dont take people's word for it...look with your own eyes
Originally posted by Cleffy Personally, I hate EVE but when it comes to graphics its probably the best. The only other games that compete graphically, or are better are still in development (Age of Conan, Huxley, Ragnarok Online 2, Hero's Journey, and Granado Espada)
Eve doesn't have good graphics, it just has very little graphics. Up until recently there hasn't even been any new ship art in the game since release and most the ships look really... bad.
The backdrop is beautiful however the only diferrence in any system (or zone so to speak) is the color of it, so I can't really give CCP a whole lot of credit graphically just because of how easy it is to make space look good.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by ayuchan GG...it's not even close...and quit with these useless semantical arguments about the definition of what graphics means...
in layman's terms graphics means "what looks the best"
and love or hate L2 its "graphics" are the best...
when u play on high detail with shadows, and all the flora and fauna in full definition...it looks amazing...most of the screenshots on this site look like garbage...i'm not sayin all of you will like this game but i've played SWG, EQII, WOW, UO, DAOC...and one of the reasons i kept coming back to that game is because it's so beautiful to look at
if you don't believe me check out some of the recent pvp and siege fraps at
i dun have any affliation with that guild but it is one of the strongest guilds on my server so they have a lot of nice videos...go to l2guru.com i forget the address exactly but it also has links to good videos
dont take people's word for it...look with your own eyes
Well, there's one thing that I know DAoC kicks Lineage II's butt on in the graphics department and that's spell effects. DAoC has some of the most amazing, creative, and meaningful spell effects of any of the games I've played. They're just plain awesome. Especially when a big RvR battle is going on and huge magical axes and spears are flying through the air and blasts are going off everywhere. Nothing else is like it.
DAoC may be lacking in some of the other graphic departments, but their spell effects are top notch.
Originally posted by porgie Originally posted by Jazia Originally posted by kimmar
I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
After install and got all the autoupdate patches, my Lineage2 folder is 4.8GB.
And no, "world" size matters the most to the game size imo.
So is Lineage II world small?
Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig! And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Any pros out there know the answer?
No one answered my question from before. I was hoping to get an answer. I'm really curious. The size of the game must mean something. I'm not sure what though. What does it mean. Everquest II's game directory is humongous. It's a gigantic game. Is it the world, the character models, the graphics, all of the above, what? As opposed to Lineage II it's like the Empire State Building to Joe's Diner in size. The must've put a lot of work in there.
Originally posted by porgie Originally posted by porgie Originally posted by Jazia Originally posted by kimmar
I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
After install and got all the autoupdate patches, my Lineage2 folder is 4.8GB.
And no, "world" size matters the most to the game size imo.
So is Lineage II world small?
Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig! And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Any pros out there know the answer?
No one answered my question from before. I was hoping to get an answer. I'm really curious. The size of the game must mean something. I'm not sure what though. What does it mean. Everquest II's game directory is humongous. It's a gigantic game. Is it the world, the character models, the graphics, all of the above, what? As opposed to Lineage II it's like the Empire State Building to Joe's Diner in size. The must've put a lot of work in there.
Well, I've played EQ2 and it's got a lot of variables as to how things can turn out. Lot's of stats and a lot more AI on things going on. After all it's more of a PvE game where Lineage II is just PvP. How much AI is involved in PvP? None, really.
So I would imagine that the programming behind Everquest is a lot more complex. Along with the larger graphics engine and bigger world that's probably the answer for the huge EQ2 game file size.
Like I said, EQ2's graphic engine does seem to be more advanced than L2's.(keep in mind L2 is an older game)
BUT, EQ2 does NOT look better than L2.
Better engine doesn't make better real looking, It's like color pencils in the hands of children won't come up with better painting than 1 single HB2 pencil in the hands of an artist.
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While SWG is nearing 3 years old, it still outshines most MMOs in the graphics department. They're even doing a graphics update soon, so I'm sure it'll only get better
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That is one ugly face lol. Male orc fighters in L2 are much more handsome.
Which game has the best looking dungeons, caves, forests, etc. And monsters when you get inside of them?
Oh, and remember, I said WoW and EQ2 excluded. lol.
I don't want to head down that beaten path!!!
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dungeons, caves, forests are included in the "enviroment".
L2 has well done graphic models, but I odn't like the art its self. If you ignore EQ2 and WoW that would be my vote for best done all around especially how the models work with collision and gear...actually in collision of gear it is better than many of the EQ2 and WoW models overall.
But, again, I really don't like the art its self. Stylized but kinda boring and over done at the same time, meh just my thoughts.
See I don't agree with that really.
To me, graphics is about how the game graphically appeals to me. So to me even where you have nice models like L2, when you have too few of them, and don't allow them to be customised, to me that is a "graphics" issue because it impacts directly how the game graphically appeals to me. Seeing everyone of a certain race look more or less the same, even if that "same look" is pretty, detracts from the graphical enjoyment of the game for me, which is why for me it counts as a "graphics" issue.
Have fun doing Castle sieges with 600 people who all look diffrent. trust me, your computer will go down before the castle does. they all look the same for a technical reason.
The saga of Ryzom has some really nice graphics, especially if you have good hardware. This is the only pic I have hosted atm, but its a decent example.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/Kibs/a5cbd089.jpg
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I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig
SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Originally posted by kimmar
I went to Fileplanet and looked at the sizes for the downloads for Lineage II and SWG.
Lineage II is 2.4 Gig
SWG is 4.25 Gig (For the starter kit)
Why such a discrepency in size? Does that have to do with graphics, content, or both?
After install and got all the autoupdate patches, my Lineage2 folder is 4.8GB.
And no, "world" size matters the most to the game size imo.
Dang, that's a hefty patch! Another 2.4 Gig to download after the original 2.4 Gig download. I wonder why they didn't just put it in the original D2D file?
I would just go buy the boxset if I were going to purchase the game.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig!
And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Any pros out there know the answer?
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With elf silver ranger speed (second highest stable speed among all classes), I could run from 1 side of the world to the other in 30 min.
Guild Wars (In Game Graphics!)
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Life is the best MMORPG. I PKed some noob yesterday and all my PK points are down... but the cops are still after me... WTF?
Some games like L2, GW, WoW etc....strive for a very stylized artistic look to their worlds to make up for limited graphic engines. Mostly these artistic themes are in keeping with the core artwork developed by artists and agreed upon by the dev team. EQ2 and other games that strive for realism and have a hard niche to fill because realism while maintaining a sense of fantasy is hard to do if you don't own a high end CGI workstation that costs around 50k.
The artwork debate IMHO is up in the air because art is all a matter opinion and some people might think EQ2 art is great while others ( myself including ) might like artwork of other MMORPGs. So saying that one artistic style is better then another is a moot point IMHO. You would have a easier time debating and comparing graphic engine abilities instead debating artistic styles.
P.S. Let me add that EQ2 is not future proof. It does not take full advantage of duel-core CPU's. Vanguard I hear will make good use of duel-core CPU's and hopefully other MMORPG's coming out will also do the same.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Graphics and art style are two different things. I agree that CoV has excellent graphics, while it also has a great art style to it. Lineage 2 has great art, but lacks in the graphics department. They are at least a year out of date and that is being quite kind.
DAoC has excellent graphics and a realistic style. I am speaking of the updated graphics circa Darkness Rising of course. Ryzom, though, has probably the best graphics after DAoC and EQ2. They are very detailed and the art style is very particular but quite appealing esthetically.
Have you seen lineage II in C4? Turn on HDR lighting or 4x AA and it's a good looking game on all full details.
in layman's terms graphics means "what looks the best"
and love or hate L2 its "graphics" are the best...
when u play on high detail with shadows, and all the flora and fauna in full definition...it looks amazing...most of the screenshots on this site look like garbage...i'm not sayin all of you will like this game but i've played SWG, EQII, WOW, UO, DAOC...and one of the reasons i kept coming back to that game is because it's so beautiful to look at
if you don't believe me check out some of the recent pvp and siege fraps at
http://www.ginnunga.org
i dun have any affliation with that guild but it is one of the strongest guilds on my server so they have a lot of nice videos...go to l2guru.com i forget the address exactly but it also has links to good videos
dont take people's word for it...look with your own eyes
Eve doesn't have good graphics, it just has very little graphics. Up until recently there hasn't even been any new ship art in the game since release and most the ships look really... bad.
The backdrop is beautiful however the only diferrence in any system (or zone so to speak) is the color of it, so I can't really give CCP a whole lot of credit graphically just because of how easy it is to make space look good.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Ryzom.
Smooth and well-animated character, animal, and scenery models...nice curves, few sharp edges.
Nice effects and weather/season system.
Good textures, none of that blurry low-resolution crap I keep seeing in other games.
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DAoC may be lacking in some of the other graphic departments, but their spell effects are top notch.
Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig!
And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Any pros out there know the answer?
No one answered my question from before. I was hoping to get an answer. I'm really curious. The size of the game must mean something. I'm not sure what though. What does it mean. Everquest II's game directory is humongous. It's a gigantic game. Is it the world, the character models, the graphics, all of the above, what? As opposed to Lineage II it's like the Empire State Building to Joe's Diner in size. The must've put a lot of work in there.
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Because my Everquest II folder is 6.31 Gig!
And my World of Warcraft folder is 5.07 Gig. (Although, WoW world does seem small to me).
I don't know if that's right though. I think maybe the graphics do have something to do with the folder size. Because when I look at my Everquest 1 folder it's 4.33 Gig. And I know it's got to have the most gigantic world of any MMO out there. It's humongous. But the graphics aren't as good as the rest which might make it smaller.
Any pros out there know the answer?
No one answered my question from before. I was hoping to get an answer. I'm really curious. The size of the game must mean something. I'm not sure what though. What does it mean. Everquest II's game directory is humongous. It's a gigantic game. Is it the world, the character models, the graphics, all of the above, what? As opposed to Lineage II it's like the Empire State Building to Joe's Diner in size. The must've put a lot of work in there.
Well, I've played EQ2 and it's got a lot of variables as to how things can turn out. Lot's of stats and a lot more AI on things going on. After all it's more of a PvE game where Lineage II is just PvP. How much AI is involved in PvP? None, really.
So I would imagine that the programming behind Everquest is a lot more complex. Along with the larger graphics engine and bigger world that's probably the answer for the huge EQ2 game file size.
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Like I said, EQ2's graphic engine does seem to be more advanced than L2's.(keep in mind L2 is an older game)
BUT, EQ2 does NOT look better than L2.
Better engine doesn't make better real looking,
It's like color pencils in the hands of children won't come up with better painting than 1 single HB2 pencil in the hands of an artist.