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Banning Harry Potter - Can This Really Happen In America?

upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154
I don't understand this story.
This group wants to ban Harry Potter books from public schools.   Can they seriously get away with this? I'm no lawyer but this seems like censorship.
America is sure changing. 

Hearing to determine fate of ‘Harry Potter’ books


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  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050
    They may lobby to have it banned, but it won't happen, no worries.

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  • daeandordaeandor Member UncommonPosts: 2,695

    This kind of "book banning" happens with great fanfair at least once every year at some public school district in the US.  Typically, some organization decides that a certain book is bad for the children and lobbies the hell out of city officials.  The city officials cave and decide to pass some sort of resolution, and then the rest of the population affected hears about the ban of their kid's favorite book, and the cycle begins in reverse.  The US has not changed, there is a long history of books being banned from use in schools.  Hell, even the "Dick and Jane" books have been banned in some school districts that once used them as text books.

  • LaserwolfLaserwolf Member Posts: 2,383

    "Mallory said she has been contacted by other Christian parents who were concerned about the content of the books. On her complaint form, she suggested they be replaced by C.S. Lewis’s “Chronicles of Narnia” series or Tim LaHaye’s “Left Behind: the Kids” series.
    She admitted that she has not read the book series partially because “they’re really very long and I have four kids.”
    “I’ve put a lot of work into what I’ve studied and read. I think it would be hypocritical for me to read all the books, honestly. I don’t agree with what’s in them. I don’t have to read an entire pornographic magazine to know it’s obscene,” Mallory said."

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    “I think the anti-Christian bias — it’s just got to stop, Mallory said."

    I just feel bad for her kids.

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  • o0unknown0oo0unknown0o Member Posts: 21

    I dont think this bood will be banned. One reason is that if you dont want to read a book, you dont have to. Second, if the school bans the book i bet that the students that love the Harry Potter series will probably still bring it to their school.

  • WakizashiWakizashi Member Posts: 893


    Originally posted by upallnight
    I don't understand this story.
    This group wants to ban Harry Potter books from public schools.   Can they seriously get away with this? I'm no lawyer but this seems like censorship.
    America is sure changing. 

    Hearing to determine fate of ‘Harry Potter’ books


             ^^^^^^^^^^

             He's a witch! 

  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893


    Originally posted by Laserwolf
    “I think the anti-Christian bias — it’s just got to stop, Mallory said."I just feel bad for her kids.

    Anti Christian bias in the US? Christian groups get more news coverage and have more political sway than any other relgion. Every morning before work I see atleast a one television ad for some Christian based organization varying from Christian Childrens Fund to individual churchs.

    I find it amazing that she suggest the Left Behind series since it is a story that directly insults and harrasses non Christians, but now that I reread that why am I amazed?

  • LaserwolfLaserwolf Member Posts: 2,383
  • ScorpesScorpes Member Posts: 830
    Yup, just modern versions of the bonfire of the vanities.
  • reavoreavo Member Posts: 2,173
    Yes, America is changing.  Look at the people we put in power.  She's just riding on the evangelical political surf.

    This is the reason for seperation of church and state.  It's the reason that people like Thomas Jefferson was such a proponent of the split.

    There are enough people over here who would love nothing less than an American theocracy.


  • ShogooShogoo Member UncommonPosts: 88

    Books have been banned, burned or cencored for a long time. Some of them are RL Stine, Steven King, and even Mark Twain...

    There's probably a large list out there nothing new. ::::12::

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  • shishio19shishio19 Member Posts: 23
    I think they'll try, and maybe even get it in a few states. But across America? i don't think so...
  • zhombiezhombie Member UncommonPosts: 160

    Be glad you don't live in Ohio. Not only do we have to deal with Ernest Angely owning tv stations, we deal with Benny Hinn and then this Ass - Rod Parsley - meddling in politics.

    As mentioned, book bannings happen all the time, and eventually get overturned. Although trying to replace harry potter with Narnia is kind of pointless... I mean religious thematics aside they have similar content.

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  • modjoe86modjoe86 Member UncommonPosts: 4,050


    Originally posted by Wakizashi

    Originally posted by upallnight
    I don't understand this story.
    This group wants to ban Harry Potter books from public schools.   Can they seriously get away with this? I'm no lawyer but this seems like censorship.
    America is sure changing. 

    Hearing to determine fate of ‘Harry Potter’ books

             ^^^^^^^^^^

             He's a witch! 


    Burn him!

    On a side note, Hubert Cumberdale is my hero.
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  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048


    Originally posted by reavo
    Yes, America is changing.  Look at the people we put in power.  She's just riding on the evangelical political surf.

    This is the reason for seperation of church and state.  It's the reason that people like Thomas Jefferson was such a proponent of the split.

    For a man that seems to worship Thomas Jefferson, you seem to be rather ignorant of his motives for even stating that. His fear was that the government would seep into the Church and corrupt it, not that the Church would have sway over the government. For in fact, the Church in the essence of the people who believed in Christian dogma, had TREMENDOUS sway over the country from it's founding to about the 1950, with as the years passing on the sway it had over government institution dwindling.

    In fact, even though the nation was never labeled OFFICIALLY as a Christian nation; if you know the history of legislation and the laws passed in most states, you would clearly see for the most part, it was indeed a Christian nation. Many a colony/state would officialize a certain sect of belief, which was in the Christian arena, to the states religion.

    Christianity had tremendous sway over the nation back then, moreso than you can seem to fathom. What Thomas Jefferson was afraid of was not Christians holding tremendous sway in legislation of our laws based upon their view of morality and freedom influenced by their belief in their religion, for that had already happend, was happening, and would continue to happen for quite a while. His fear would be that akin to many governments in europe, the officials would assimilate the Church into the Government, and would force people to believe their view of what Christianity should be.

    Like how the Catholic church treated Martin Luther and the people involved in the reformation, it didn't fit into their system of Christianity because of their obsession with tradition, so they crucified them(Non-literal of course, burning would be a more accurate description).

    There are enough people over here who would love nothing less than an American theocracy.

     



     

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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253


    Originally posted by reavo
    Yes, America is changing.  Look at the people we put in power.  She's just riding on the evangelical political surf.

    This is the reason for seperation of church and state.  It's the reason that people like Thomas Jefferson was such a proponent of the split.

    There are enough people over here who would love nothing less than an American theocracy.


    Well apart from the fact that both the USA and Australia ARE ALREADY Theorcacies. Your right on all counts.

    I mean the "Lords Prayer" is read at the commencement of all sittings of State, Fedral and Local Government in Australia. It is preceeded by the words....

    "Oh Lord we humbly bessech you to vouchsafe thy special blessing (not just the normal blessing mind you) on this Parliment and prosper our deliberations to thy greater glory and to the true benefit of the Australian People".... nice to see we come in second after Gods Glory anyways...

    If thats not a one dimensional Theocracy then explain to me what is ??

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  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893


    Originally posted by Aldaron



    For a man that seems to worship Thomas Jefferson, you seem to be rather ignorant of his motives for even stating that. His fear was that the government would seep into the Church and corrupt it, not that the Church would have sway over the government. For in fact, the Church in the essence of the people who believed in Christian dogma, had TREMENDOUS sway over the country from it's founding to about the 1950, with as the years passing on the sway it had over government institution dwindling.



    In fact, even though the nation was never labeled OFFICIALLY as a Christian nation; if you know the history of legislation and the laws passed in most states, you would clearly see for the most part, it was indeed a Christian nation. Many a colony/state would officialize a certain sect of belief, which was in the Christian arena, to the states religion.



    Christianity had tremendous sway over the nation back then, moreso than you can seem to fathom. What Thomas Jefferson was afraid of was not Christians holding tremendous sway in legislation of our laws based upon their view of morality and freedom influenced by their belief in their religion, for that had already happend, was happening, and would continue to happen for quite a while. His fear would be that akin to many governments in europe, the officials would assimilate the Church into the Government, and would force people to believe their view of what Christianity should be.












    You do know Jefferson wasn't a christian don't you? He was a unitarian. Part of the reason for the seperation of church and state and his speach about doing it for the good of religions is because most of the "founding fathers" were quaker, unitarian, or christian in name only. He feared that the christain majority (is was for the general populas) would destroy the freedoms of the free thinkers which were building the country, much like the post reniassance[sp?] in europe.

    Yes the seperation was there to protect his religion, but from christians. If you ever goto Boston area on the tours directly across the street from Harvard in Cambridge is the Unitarian graveyard where parts of his family are buried, guess why.

  • fredrik1fredrik1 Member Posts: 144



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    Originally posted by Wakizashi


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    Originally posted by upallnight
    I don't understand this story.
    This group wants to ban Harry Potter books from public schools. Can they seriously get away with this? I'm no lawyer but this seems like censorship.
    America is sure changing.

    Hearing to determine fate of ‘Harry Potter’ books

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    ^^^^^^^^^^

    He's a witch!

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    Burn him!

    On a side note, Hubert Cumberdale is my hero.


    How do you know he is a witch?

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  • SadohoreSadohore Member Posts: 21
    Lets just nod and smile and let the nutters get their desperately needed attention, and soon theyll all find something else to worry about.
  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718
    Can anyone tell me how deep is witchcraft in those books?

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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646


    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
    Can anyone tell me how deep is witchcraft in those books?

    It's soooooo deep Evil, evul! The devil speaks through those books. It's the devil! I have felt it, oh hallelujah! Jesus save us, please save us. It's the devil! The devil, devil! I have never read them, but it's the devil! I know it, I put my hands on book nr.2 and it felt sooo evil! Jesus save me!

    Can't really say that those books contain anything that could even come remotly close in destroying a young kids mind. It's just a simple fantasy story for kids/youngsters. If you start to ban Harry Potter, you should ban all books except the Bible. After thinking about it, I think you should ban the Bible before Harry Potter. It contains way more "destructive" elements for a small child. This is just another of those stupid desperate cries for attention. And I can't possibly think that anyone would fullfill that womans wish.
  • What? they teach harry potter in US schools? come on, that is a fantasy, how can you teach or allow such books to exist in school libraries?

    i mean you should teach children some real stuff, physics, math, history maybe ( real history ) NOT fantasy. that is indeed total nonesence.

  • zhombiezhombie Member UncommonPosts: 160


    Originally posted by ob1sr

    What? they teach harry potter in US schools? come on, that is a fantasy, how can you teach or allow such books to exist in school libraries?
    i mean you should teach children some real stuff, physics, math, history maybe ( real history ) NOT fantasy. that is indeed total nonesence.


    Why yes... Yes we do teach Harry Potter in US schools. How else are we going to get ahead educationally over the rest of the world.  We even use all of Harry Turtledove's books as curriculum in History classes. And I don't know about the rest of the world, but everything I ever learned about science I learned reading Asimov and Larry Niven. My School rocked.

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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    I learned everything there is to learn by reading Donald Duck comics 

    It's a must that every school should have a well filled library for their students. With books from every genre. So that the kids get to experience the wonderful world of reading. That is the only way that they are going to learn reading and writing properly. By reading books I could read before I started in school Don't underestimate them.


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    Snape kills Dumbledore.
  • crack_foxcrack_fox Member UncommonPosts: 399


    Originally posted by ob1sr

    What? they teach harry potter in US schools? come on, that is a fantasy, how can you teach or allow such books to exist in school libraries?
    i mean you should teach children some real stuff, physics, math, history maybe ( real history ) NOT fantasy. that is indeed total nonesence.


    I don't know how it is in the US, but reading was generally looked upon favourably when I was a kid as a way of exercising the mind, developing the imagination and expanding one's vocabulary. Works of fiction were not taught except in literature classes and religious studies, but they were always available from the school library. Many dealt with fantastical themes from the talking rabbits of Beatrix Potter to Roald Dahl's stories of witches and giants, but they were not viewed as instruments of the devil. British educators never suspected Mrs Tiggy-Winkle of being the mouth-piece of Satan. It was reasoned that any child old enough to read was old enough to differentiate fact from fantasy. If devoutly religious parents in the US have less faith in their childrens' intelligence, it may be because they themselves have difficulty in making the same distinction.  
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