1-30 is a joke in L2....i had 4 second class chars and a bunch i took to 40 but deleted cuz i couldnt stay doing the class change quests
Honestly, i took my FIRST char in l2 from 1-30 in a month playing only 5hrs a day and like 3 days a week, thats before i got seriously into the game. When i figured out how to lvl a char, 1-30 took me a day and a half >.> Grinding in l2 doesnt start until about 65+, from 65 to 75...the xp required is about the same as 1-65 or more O.o
Originally posted by fmaalex 1-30 is a joke in L2....i had 4 second class chars and a bunch i took to 40 but deleted cuz i couldnt stay doing the class change quests
Honestly, i took my FIRST char in l2 from 1-30 in a month playing only 5hrs a day and like 3 days a week, thats before i got seriously into the game. When i figured out how to lvl a char, 1-30 took me a day and a half >.> Grinding in l2 doesnt start until about 65+, from 65 to 75...the xp required is about the same as 1-65 or more O.o (actually you can put 2 toons to lvl 62 for the same amount of XP it cost to put 1 toon to 75)
The only real problem a player might have with leveling that fast in L2 is keeping up financialy. It cost a huge amount of adena to go that fast, unless you have a guild supplying you with gear and SS. To have a guild willing to do that would imply you are not new.
A new player could no way expect to level anything as fast as that.
Working the market alone takes far to much time. Yes once you have a high level toon, money problems disappear but that first guy is a B*tch.
So many farmers, bots (farmers and no farmers) and ebayers that it's disgusting. Very sad for regular players when whole alliances fight and conquer castles upon ebay. What is worse, major alliances don't see this as a problem and won't kick ebayers/botters since doing so would mean to disolve the whole alliance. You can play legit with legit players, but then you'll end in a carebear guild to become a non-factor. But the thing is that if you are not interested in politics and pvp, then have fun with the hardcore grind. Other than these little details, it would be the best game out there It's sad that NCSoft *doesn't care at all*.
These are the exact sorts of comments I was talking about eariler. People cry foul about L2 over things that exsist in all MMORPG's
L2 = horrible grind. When leveling down just to efficently farm adena become a stratagy in a game, you know the grind is bad.
Untrue. De-leveling may be an effective farmer method but is hardly practicle for the player. Farms use all sorts of methods in all sorts of games. Its far more profittable and time saving to sell things rather then "delevel" and kill mobs. LoL, do it how you like I guess. I can see where the grind for you would have been extra bad if you deleveled just to make cash.
So many farmers, bots (farmers and no farmers) and ebayers that it's disgusting. Very sad for regular players when whole alliances fight and conquer castles upon ebay. What is worse, major alliances don't see this as a problem and won't kick ebayers/botters since doing so would mean to disolve the whole alliance. You can play legit with legit players, but then you'll end in a carebear guild to become a non-factor. But the thing is that if you are not interested in politics and pvp, then have fun with the hardcore grind. Other than these little details, it would be the best game out there It's sad that NCSoft *doesn't care at all*.
While I agree with the farmers being bad and that NCSoft does need to pick up the pace on doing something about it...this is the exact sort of thing I commented on in my earlier post. Find me a game that doesn't have a problem with farmers
You do not need to EBay (buy currency) at all. No one forces you. All you need to do is learn the market system. It takes time, yes....but if you learn it and use it, you will make money hand over fist.
All the rest about alliances and politics is just opinion based on your experience. Its to bad you got in with the wrong crowd.
THE BEST SOLUTION TO FARMERS IN ANY GAMES IS......LAZY PLAYERS STOP BUYING THE F*CKING GOLD FROM THEM.
Farmers only come because you the player buys it. Look at WoW, high level areas are totally overrun with farmers. Farmers all over the easiest game in the world to make cash in. Its laughable. And then the community has the nuts to complain about it. Its the communities fault they are there to begin with.
Again....
For whatever reasons alot of North American players run away from this game with their tails between their legs crying "bots" and "grind" retreat to WoW for the same thing only FASTER and EASIER up front but eventually the same thing.
Originally posted by Pantastic OK, so WARCRYtm are you saying that Gameloading is wrong when he says that Lineage II requires no more grinding than WOW? Or is lineage just as 'terrible' because it's a short game too? Also, are you denying that Lineage II even has a grind? Your claim that you don't just kill the same mob over and over seems to mean that you think it doesn't.
That is not what I said. I said that World of Warcraft is just as much of a grind of Lineage 2.Lineage 2's grind takes a lot longer to the cap, I never said it takes just as long as to get to the cap in L2 as in WoW.
I had a love/hate thing for Lineage 2. The Sieges were great, nothing in any MMO beats L2's sieges. The PvP was too little, no one like fighting, mainly because they usually lost and that meant losing xp and that meant going through more of horrible grinding L2 had. Training mobs onto groups was fun, especially in C1. I quit nearing the end of C2 after after being ganked while red and losing some stuff. It wasn't the fact that I lost some blue wolf stuff that I quit(which was kinda a minor loss), but I didn't like how karma became unmanageable once your pk count got high. I spent a solid week working off karma one time. That quest that lowered you pk count was pretty redundant too since it took too long with little benefits. L2's "open pvp" was too prohibitive. The grind was god awful too, I don't see how anyone can enjoy killing Seal Angels or Kariks all day.
I heard things got better, and some ppl have tried to talk me into going back, but once I quit an MMO I usually quit it for good.
Koreans have a different play style than we have. I have to agree with Pantastic about the grind. It is horrible. If you enjoy that sort of thing you cant go wrong with L2.
Another thing not mentioned is the time required to play. People can say that you can play at a casual pace, but this isnt true if you want to be in the castle sieges in which the game was built around. If you have the time, and I mean alot of it, And you can withstand grinding long hours, then the end game might be worth it. As for me, I couldnt hang, I got bored quick. And I really wanted to like the game because I loved the graphics so much. I can handle the pking, I can even handle the bots, but I cant take mindless grinding hours upon end.
The graphics are wonderful, but there seems to be a pattern in all Korean games, including on what im hearing on RF online as well. Koreans make beautiful games with horrible long grinds.
WOW is a grinding too....just shorter one. Just because WOW has a max lvl of 60, L2 has a max lvl of 78, doesn't make WOW isn't a grinding...just a shorter grinding...same old mindless meaningless pointless grinding.
Then again, since WOW's grinding is shorter(but not better), the game ends earlier too. And there isn't anything more after hitting 60. In L2, there is endless castle siege and pvp, player driving politics etc. Not to mention the much realistic graphics. It is embarressing for WOW actually have a higher rate than so many other better games.
The amount of time you have to spend grinding away to level up is what people mean when they say a horrible grind, so the people saying 'WOW has the same grind, it's just shorter' are missing the point. Spending a long time killing the same thing over and over is exactly what we mean when we talk about a painful grind, and regardless of whether you think we should find it fun WE DON'T LIKE IT. That's where the rating comes from, whether you like a huge grind or not a lot of people just plain don't.
Comparisons to WOW are kind of silly, and only the L2 people have been bringing up WOW, most of the people trying to answer the original question have simply talked about L2 and what they don't like about it. WOW changes dramatically after some time at 60, where you do end up with absurdly long grinds and big raids, but most of WOW's rating is likely based on people who've played the game for no more than 3-6 months, when you don't touch the L2-like content. If WOW at level 1 played like WOW at level 60, it would not have sold 6 million copies and would not have the high ratings it does, and my understanding is that L2 is worse (by my standards) than WOW at 60.
L2s grind wouldn't have been as bad if you didn't need perfect groups to lvl at a decent rate. Half the time the SwSs, BDs, and Prophets had to be boxed(which was a pain in the ass, unless you used a certain banned third party program) and for PvP I couldn't count how many times either me or someone else in my guild had to log onto someone else's account so we could build perfectly stacked groups. I can't stress how much L2s "open pvp" was broken. Standing around waiting for the other side to flag was retarded, and pking them meant running off and spending half the night working off the karma and then logging off once you find out that 3-4 groups are coming to gank you because half your group is red.
I don't think you know the force declare war on enemy clan in C4. They don't have to accept it, you got the war if you declare on their clan. Only noobs won't declare back, because if they don't, you kill them make them lose 4% xp, and if they kill back you only lose 1%. Now everyone is fighting 2 way clan wars because of that.
Originally posted by meeee L2s grind wouldn't have been as bad if you didn't need perfect groups to lvl at a decent rate. Half the time the SwSs, BDs, and Prophets had to be boxed(which was a pain in the ass, unless you used a certain banned third party program) and for PvP I couldn't count how many times either me or someone else in my guild had to log onto someone else's account so we could build perfectly stacked groups. I can't stress how much L2s "open pvp" was broken. Standing around waiting for the other side to flag was retarded, and pking them meant running off and spending half the night working off the karma and then logging off once you find out that 3-4 groups are coming to gank you because half your group is red.
Its not "broken" that how it works. There are concequences for attacking people, thats all. Sure its open PvP, but like everything else in L2, there is a price.
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Honestly, i took my FIRST char in l2 from 1-30 in a month playing only 5hrs a day and like 3 days a week, thats before i got seriously into the game. When i figured out how to lvl a char, 1-30 took me a day and a half >.> Grinding in l2 doesnt start until about 65+, from 65 to 75...the xp required is about the same as 1-65 or more O.o
The only real problem a player might have with leveling that fast in L2 is keeping up financialy. It cost a huge amount of adena to go that fast, unless you have a guild supplying you with gear and SS. To have a guild willing to do that would imply you are not new.
A new player could no way expect to level anything as fast as that.
Working the market alone takes far to much time. Yes once you have a high level toon, money problems disappear but that first guy is a B*tch.
If you try to ignore that part by,socialize,groping,exploring.
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kick ebayers/botters since doing so would mean to disolve the whole
alliance. You can play legit with legit players, but then you'll end in
a carebear guild to become a non-factor. But the thing is that if you are not interested in politics and pvp, then have fun with the hardcore grind. Other than these little details, it would be the best game out there
These are the exact sorts of comments I was talking about eariler. People cry foul about L2 over things that exsist in all MMORPG's
L2 = horrible grind. When leveling down just to efficently farm adena become a stratagy in a game, you know the grind is bad.
Untrue. De-leveling may be an effective farmer method but is hardly practicle for the player. Farms use all sorts of methods in all sorts of games. Its far more profittable and time saving to sell things rather then "delevel" and kill mobs. LoL, do it how you like I guess. I can see where the grind for you would have been extra bad if you deleveled just to make cash.
So many farmers, bots (farmers and no farmers) and ebayers that it's disgusting. Very sad for regular players when whole alliances fight and conquer castles upon ebay. What is worse, major alliances don't see this as a problem and won't kick ebayers/botters since doing so would mean to disolve the whole alliance. You can play legit with legit players, but then you'll end in a carebear guild to become a non-factor. But the thing is that if you are not interested in politics and pvp, then have fun with the hardcore grind. Other than these little details, it would be the best game out there It's sad that NCSoft *doesn't care at all*.
While I agree with the farmers being bad and that NCSoft does need to pick up the pace on doing something about it...this is the exact sort of thing I commented on in my earlier post. Find me a game that doesn't have a problem with farmers
You do not need to EBay (buy currency) at all. No one forces you. All you need to do is learn the market system. It takes time, yes....but if you learn it and use it, you will make money hand over fist.
All the rest about alliances and politics is just opinion based on your experience. Its to bad you got in with the wrong crowd.
THE BEST SOLUTION TO FARMERS IN ANY GAMES IS......LAZY PLAYERS STOP BUYING THE F*CKING GOLD FROM THEM.
Farmers only come because you the player buys it. Look at WoW, high level areas are totally overrun with farmers. Farmers all over the easiest game in the world to make cash in. Its laughable. And then the community has the nuts to complain about it. Its the communities fault they are there to begin with.
Again....
For whatever reasons alot of North American players run away from this game with their tails between their legs crying "bots" and "grind" retreat to WoW for the same thing only FASTER and EASIER up front but eventually the same thing.
I had a love/hate thing for Lineage 2. The Sieges were great, nothing in any MMO beats L2's sieges. The PvP was too little, no one like fighting, mainly because they usually lost and that meant losing xp and that meant going through more of horrible grinding L2 had. Training mobs onto groups was fun, especially in C1. I quit nearing the end of C2 after after being ganked while red and losing some stuff. It wasn't the fact that I lost some blue wolf stuff that I quit(which was kinda a minor loss), but I didn't like how karma became unmanageable once your pk count got high. I spent a solid week working off karma one time. That quest that lowered you pk count was pretty redundant too since it took too long with little benefits. L2's "open pvp" was too prohibitive. The grind was god awful too, I don't see how anyone can enjoy killing Seal Angels or Kariks all day.
I heard things got better, and some ppl have tried to talk me into going back, but once I quit an MMO I usually quit it for good.
Koreans have a different play style than we have. I have to agree with Pantastic about the grind. It is horrible. If you enjoy that sort of thing you cant go wrong with L2.
Another thing not mentioned is the time required to play. People can say that you can play at a casual pace, but this isnt true if you want to be in the castle sieges in which the game was built around. If you have the time, and I mean alot of it, And you can withstand grinding long hours, then the end game might be worth it. As for me, I couldnt hang, I got bored quick. And I really wanted to like the game because I loved the graphics so much. I can handle the pking, I can even handle the bots, but I cant take mindless grinding hours upon end.
The graphics are wonderful, but there seems to be a pattern in all Korean games, including on what im hearing on RF online as well. Koreans make beautiful games with horrible long grinds.
WOW is a grinding too....just shorter one. Just because WOW has a max lvl of 60, L2 has a max lvl of 78, doesn't make WOW isn't a grinding...just a shorter grinding...same old mindless meaningless pointless grinding.
Then again, since WOW's grinding is shorter(but not better), the game ends earlier too. And there isn't anything more after hitting 60. In L2, there is endless castle siege and pvp, player driving politics etc. Not to mention the much realistic graphics. It is embarressing for WOW actually have a higher rate than so many other better games.
The amount of time you have to spend grinding away to level up is what people mean when they say a horrible grind, so the people saying 'WOW has the same grind, it's just shorter' are missing the point. Spending a long time killing the same thing over and over is exactly what we mean when we talk about a painful grind, and regardless of whether you think we should find it fun WE DON'T LIKE IT. That's where the rating comes from, whether you like a huge grind or not a lot of people just plain don't.
Comparisons to WOW are kind of silly, and only the L2 people have been bringing up WOW, most of the people trying to answer the original question have simply talked about L2 and what they don't like about it. WOW changes dramatically after some time at 60, where you do end up with absurdly long grinds and big raids, but most of WOW's rating is likely based on people who've played the game for no more than 3-6 months, when you don't touch the L2-like content. If WOW at level 1 played like WOW at level 60, it would not have sold 6 million copies and would not have the high ratings it does, and my understanding is that L2 is worse (by my standards) than WOW at 60.
I don't think you know the force declare war on enemy clan in C4. They don't have to accept it, you got the war if you declare on their clan. Only noobs won't declare back, because if they don't, you kill them make them lose 4% xp, and if they kill back you only lose 1%. Now everyone is fighting 2 way clan wars because of that.
Its not "broken" that how it works. There are concequences for attacking people, thats all. Sure its open PvP, but like everything else in L2, there is a price.
http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/cp.html